Survivor all stars 2

[o1pickleboy]

Who would cast for all stars 2? Would you have any winners or all non winners? All new people or some of the first all stars cast?

[marshal99]

You can bet the tominator will be back , and likelihood , he'll be the first few to get terminated early on. :D

[Peter]

From Vanuatu --

Chris, the winner of the show, for surviving in an almost totally-unwinnable situation (being alone against a hostile alliance and not only turning the game around, but winning!). Twila, for being a tough old bird. And maybe Ami, or somebody? Sarge, maybe? I wouldn't mind seeing John K again.

From Palau --

Tom. There is only Tom. If you need to ask why, then you obviously weren't watching the show. I think Ian would probably be asked to return for a second series, too. Okay he sucked at the "outwit" part of the game, but he was a good-looking kid and physically superior to just about everybody else there (Tom notwithstanding, but he shouldn't count in comparisons, the man is badassedness personified*). But as marshall pointed out -- for Tom to return, he'd be recognised as a huge threat just about *instantly*, and ousted quickly.

I'd be tempted to add Bobby Jon or Steph, but *three* years at trying to win and losing is just too many.

From Guatamala --

Dani is pretty, but I'm not sure she was really interesting/entertaining enough to be invited back for a second all-star show. I can see Judd (in fact, seeing Tom break Judd in half like a tooth-pick would be priceless) and Jamie -- and maybe Rafe -- being asked to come back, and maybe Ami. Gary's also a possibility. On the whole, they were pretty bland though.



* -- I still maintain that one of the greatest moments of the show's history was Jeff telling off Ulong for losing once again, and Bobby Jon replying by saying, "But how can we beat them? They have Tom."

[o1pickleboy]

I have 3 versons of all stars going though my head. One is a all the winners and runner ups. that cast would be 18. Survivor Champion, It would be set in a new location, or Gutamala.

Richard Hatch Kelly
Tina Colby Donaldson
Ethan Zohn Kim Johnson
V Neleha
Brian Clay
Jenna Matt
Sanda Lil
Chris Twila
Tom Katie

All Star 2, This one would go from pearl islands thou Gutamala

From Gutamala
Amy
Judd
Gary
Jamie

From Palu
Colby
Eian
Angie
Karen

From the islands of fire
Amy
Scout
Eilisa
Lee
Rory
Julie

From Pearl Islands
Jonny Fairplay
Andrew Savage
Tawona
Christa


The final verson is a combination of all star 1 and 2. Which will only work if my idea for All Star 2 is green lighted. It takes all the player from all star 1 that haven't won before.(except Rudy he is to old) I game of three strikes your out. As everyone in the game is on their third chance. Plus Steph and Bobbi Jon

Jenna Lewis
Sue Hawk
Colby Donaldson
Alica Calaway
Jerri
Lex
Tom
Kathy
Rob M
Sheann
Rob C

That would leave 5 to 7 slots open for people from All Stars 2.

[Valmore]

I don't think they'll ever bother with a second Survivor All-Stars. Frankly, I'm glad. I want to see new people every time we have Survivor. The fact that the contestants in Guatemala allowed Stephanie and Bobby John to last as long as they did drove me completely nuts.

At this point, I'd rather see an Amazing Race All-Stars edition.

[Glaucon]

I think if they do another all-stars, they should start with Pearl Islands, except do not invite back Rupert, Bobby Jon and Steph.

Right now I would like to see:

Pearl Islands
- Johnny Fairplay
- Sandra
- Andrew Savage
(I would not get Burton or Lill because they already came back)

Vanuatu
- Ami
- Chris
- Twila
- Rory (he probably wouldn't be asked, but he was the ONLY good thing from Vanuatu)

Palau
- Tom
- Ian
- Katie (maybe)

Guatemala
- Danni
- Gary
- Brandon
- Amy

I think I would like to see (in a couple seasons) a tribe of all-stars and a tribe of new players.

[o1pickleboy]

I think if they do another all-stars, they should start with Pearl Islands, except do not invite back Rupert, Bobby Jon and Steph.

Right now I would like to see:

Pearl Islands
- Johnny Fairplay
- Sandra
- Andrew Savage
(I would not get Burton or Lill because they already came back)

Vanuatu
- Ami
- Chris
- Twila
- Rory (he probably wouldn't be asked, but he was the ONLY good thing from Vanuatu)

Palau
- Tom
- Ian
- Katie (maybe)

Guatemala
- Danni
- Gary
- Brandon
- Amy

I think I would like to see (in a couple seasons) a tribe of all-stars and a tribe of new players.



I loved all stars. I just didn't like the winner coming back. They really don't have a fair shot.

As for the steph and bobbi Jon. I was hoping they got as far as they could, but didn't understand how they made it so far. I think if they are going to do a return like that again. They need to only do it in the spring season. Using 2 or more from the fall season. That way only the fans know about the return. ( the cast from the spring season is gone before the fall season airs.

[o1pickleboy]

I don't think they'll ever bother with a second Survivor All-Stars. Frankly, I'm glad. I want to see new people every time we have Survivor. The fact that the contestants in Guatemala allowed Stephanie and Bobby John to last as long as they did drove me completely nuts.

At this point, I'd rather see an Amazing Race All-Stars edition.

Why wouldn't they? Wasn't All Stars the highest rated Survivor to date?

[Glaucon]

Why wouldn't they? Wasn't All Stars the highest rated Survivor to date?


Season two, Australia, had the most viewers.

Personally, I enjoyed All-Stars. There were some strange choices (i.e. Amber, Jenna L.), but overall it had the basic people (Rich, Rupert, Sue, Rob C., Ethan, etc). I couldn't believe that no one took out Boston Rob, but maybe that is testament to how well he played - everyone thought he was a ticket to a million dollars. I did love how personal it got at the end between Boston Rob and Lex and Tom. Some of their hypocritical bullsh#% was hilarious.

If I was to have a perfect "All-Star" season from seasons 1-7, I would have twenty people:

Rich
Colby
Mike*
Lex
Ethan
Tom
Brian*
Rob C.
Jon*
Rupert

Sue
Kelly*
Colleen*
Tina
Jerri
Alicia
Kathy
Shii Ann
Jenna M.
Sandra*

*Not on the original All-Stars.

[Valmore]

Why wouldn't they? Wasn't All Stars the highest rated Survivor to date?

To be honest - All-Stars didn't thrill me. Really, it was mostly a collective of the popular players and the ones who looked good in bikinis. And how does one determine an All-Star in Survivor anyway? If you were a winner, you were plucked off almost immediately by bitter non-winners. Ethan. Hatch. The blonde chick with the fake boobs from Australia. They didn't stand a chance. That kind of ruins it right there - you had to know ahead of time that someone new was going to win.

And the winner? Amber? The biggest latcher-on? In Australia she was nothing more than Jeri's sidekick. She got picked for having a "smoking ass" as Boston Rob so eloquently put it. And she only won because (1) she let Boston Rob touch that ass and (2) Lex is a freakin' idiot who made possibly the dumbest move in the history of Survivor. You've got a chance to dump off a member of the other tribe FOR FREE because of a lame "mix the tribes up" deal that went awry - leaving the tribes unchanged except for Amber being dumped in his tribe. Boston Rob tips his hand by asking Lex to save her after Lex's team wins immunity... AND HE GETS THE TRIBE TO VOTE OFF A LOYAL TEAMMATE!!!

Not to mention him getting all the girls, who had been flops in physical challenges, to vote off all the Alpha men like Ethan and Colby, making the tribe much weaker at challenges... Lex in All-Stars may have played the worst game in Survivor history.

But anyway... it just wouldn't interest me. Especially since the last few seasons of Survivor really haven't produced anybody all that interesting, aside from Tom, but he'd get voted off first chance anyone got.

[o1pickleboy]

If I was to have a perfect "All-Star" season from seasons 1-7, I would have twenty people:

Rich
Colby
Mike*
Lex
Ethan
Tom
Brian*
Rob C.
Jon*
Rupert

Sue
Kelly*
Colleen*
Tina
Jerri
Alicia
Kathy
Shii Ann
Jenna M.
Sandra*

*Not on the original All-Stars.


I do like that you picked Mike from Austrailia. The guy never got to finish his game.

[Peter]

But anyway... it just wouldn't interest me. Especially since the last few seasons of Survivor really haven't produced anybody all that interesting, aside from Tom, but he'd get voted off first chance anyone got.

Hmm.

I was about to reply by suggesting that, keeping Tom on your tribe would be a *guarantee* that you'd stomp all over the other tribes and make it past merge with a definite advantage, but (a) you're really damned if you do and damned if you don't. Vote him out, and you lose probably the most physically capable player in the history of the show*. Keep him around to individual immunity, and you might as well give him the check there and then.

Plus (b) a decision on an All-Stars show that could even resemble intelligent thinking?

What are the odds? All-Stars was a series-long exercise in watching people make staggeringly-stupid decisions (no, there wasn't just Lex, although darn it his stupidity in that series could've sank the 'Titanic').


* -- I gotta admit though, a second All-Stars series would be worth it purely to watch Colby and Tom throwdown :D.

[SteelTownr]

I'd watch Rudy again if he were up to it.

That guy cracked me up to no end.

Mark B.

[Valmore]

Hmm.

I was about to reply by suggesting that, keeping Tom on your tribe would be a *guarantee* that you'd stomp all over the other tribes and make it past merge with a definite advantage, but (a) you're really damned if you do and damned if you don't. Vote him out, and you lose probably the most physically capable player in the history of the show*. Keep him around to individual immunity, and you might as well give him the check there and then.

It depends on who is on the other teams, too. I can't think of anyone all that physically dominant in the past few seasons past Tom, so I could see a case of a team saying, "He's already won before, and I think we have a shot against the others even without him... so let's boot him."

Plus, from a more rational standpoint, I don't think enough seasons have gone by yet for a second edition. I don't think they'll bring back anyone from the first 7 seasons or the first All-Stars now, since most have probably been forgotten and bringing back people for a third time might not sit with the producers, so that eliminates StephaMe and Bobby John from the second one.

They might do it after a few more seasons, if they can get some interesting people... or hot chicks. (I'd say hot guys, but it doesn't seem like Survivor is interested as much in hot guys as hot chicks.)

Plus (b) a decision on an All-Stars show that could even resemble intelligent thinking?

What are the odds? All-Stars was a series-long exercise in watching people make staggeringly-stupid decisions (no, there wasn't just Lex, although darn it his stupidity in that series could've sank the 'Titanic').

Well, yeah, All-Stars was not an exercise in smart gameplay by many of the contestants. There were numerous chances to break up the eventual Rob/Amber final, but players were too chicken to actually do it... or too dumb. But Lex took the cake, though his team was stupid enough to listen to him. At first I didn't think getting rid of Colby was a horrible idea, but then when he followed it up by getting rid of Ethan, leaving him a tribe of hot women who weren't very useful in physicaly-demanding challenges... then following it by getting rid of Jeri (loyal tribe member) to keep Amber, even after Rob had pretty much tipped his hand that she was important to him... stupidest Survivor gameplan ever.

[Glaucon]

I do say voting Jerri off was very dumb because he would have went in with Kathy, Jerri, Shii Ann and probably Tom, against Rob, Alicia, Jenna L. and Rupert.

I am still not completely bought that voting off Colby and Ethan were completely dumb moves though. The immunity challenges after Sue left where not challenges that either could have helped them. In fact, the episode where Colby got voted off, Ethan blew (he couldn't untie the knot). If he did bring Colby and Ethan, it probably would have bought him a few more days because you definitely vote Colby out first, but then Ethan and Lex are toss ups - they are similar in challenges. Ethan is probably stronger, but he (like Rupert and Jenna L. said on the show) goes crazy and mess's up. I am not defending his game though because he did play terribly.

But yeah, I think if they did another All-Stars, you would see people from Pearl Islands (minus Rupert, Lill and Burton). They would have to give Johnny Fairplay another shot because he will bring ratings.

[titanfan]

Why wouldn't they? Wasn't All Stars the highest rated Survivor to date?

Because Jiffy and MB said that the logistics were incredibly difficult (in terms of keeping everything a secret) and the cast was much more difficult to handle the second time out. I don't think they would voluntarily do it again, but CBS wants ratings so....

[Peter]

It depends on who is on the other teams, too. I can't think of anyone all that physically dominant in the past few seasons past Tom, so I could see a case of a team saying, "He's already won before, and I think we have a shot against the others even without him... so let's boot him."

Good point. But if it was me, I'd argue that with Tom on your tribe, you're pretty much guaranteed to kick butt. Why take the chance?

As you said, it's not like there'd be much opposition. The guys from Vanuatu? Chris survived through sheer luck, and the rest of them got their butts kicked up and down that beach like nobody's business. And who in Guatemala would even be in Tom's range? Bobby Jon? We saw *that* match in Palau, and Bobby Jon didn't come first *once*. Rafe or Judd? No way. Steph? *giggle*

All you'd have to do is make an alliance with Tom and a couple of other people, and play on the fame-thing -- the man's unbeatable but *not* invincible, so the second he loses immunity, vote him out.

And if he wins *every single immunity* from the merge to the final two, then the money *should* be his.

But I wouldn't take the chance. Better have the superweapon with you, then throw it away and regret it later.


I don't think they'll bring back anyone from the first 7 seasons or the first All-Stars now, since most have probably been forgotten and bringing back people for a third time might not sit with the producers, so that eliminates StephaMe and Bobby John from the second one.

Yeah, a *third* go-around would probably count against the pair of them anyway.


Well, yeah, All-Stars was not an exercise in smart gameplay by many of the contestants. There were numerous chances to break up the eventual Rob/Amber final, but players were too chicken to actually do it... or too dumb.

The *one* thing that irked me about All-Star -- even more than Rob winning, or Lex having the intelligence of a dead starfish -- is Rupert and Jenna.

Honestly, were they only there to get to fourth and third place? Not *once* during the whole damn game does either of them attempt to oust Rob and Amber, or make a move against either of them. I mean, they saw how close Rob and Amber were -- did they just think, "Hey now, Rob said he'd ditch his freakin' girlfriend to take *me* to the final two, and hey now, I believe him"?

It's like they were just content enough with losing that they didn't even bother to try.

"You'll choose me over your hot girlfriend, right Rob?" "Sure I will!"

Morons.

...stupidest Survivor gameplan ever.

Yeah, but the look on his face that night when they voted him out made up for it :D.

[o1pickleboy]

Because Jiffy and MB said that the logistics were incredibly difficult (in terms of keeping everything a secret) and the cast was much more difficult to handle the second time out. I don't think they would voluntarily do it again, but CBS wants ratings so....


Yeah, but they really didn't have to keep it a secret. If they were difficult moneywise to bad. In All stars they were the product. If it was in playing the game I understand


The *one* thing that irked me about All-Star -- even more than Rob winning, or Lex having the intelligence of a dead starfish -- is Rupert and Jenna.

Honestly, were they only there to get to fourth and third place? Not *once* during the whole damn game does either of them attempt to oust Rob and Amber, or make a move against either of them. I mean, they saw how close Rob and Amber were -- did they just think, "Hey now, Rob said he'd ditch his freakin' girlfriend to take *me* to the final two, and hey now, I believe him"?

It's like they were just content enough with losing that they didn't even bother to try.

"You'll choose me over your hot girlfriend, right Rob?" "Sure I will!"

Morons..


Tom is the one that annoys me because he honesty though Rob would take him to the final two. I think Rupert and Jeana plan was to hope for a tie to go in their favor(until Jeana screw it up) or for Tom to join them in an alliance at five. Which Tom screwed up.

[Peter]

I think Rupert and Jeana plan was to hope for a tie to go in their favor(until Jeana screw it up) or for Tom to join them in an alliance at five. Which Tom screwed up.

But it wasn't like they were actively trying. And Lord knows Amber wouldn't have given up the alliance with Rob for anything in the world, because she knew exactly how many people were seriously angry with him.

And the very few opportunities they had to ditch Rob they wasted on ousting somebody lesser for something trivial and unimportant.

I'm kinda still annoyed at Shii-Ann, too, but I can't remember why...

[Trystenn]

Ha i knkew you would have to post sooner or later.

[Grazzt]

I'm kinda still annoyed at Shii-Ann, too, but I can't remember why...

A lot of people are annoyed with Shii-Ann, and I never understood why. But maybe that's because I didn't see her on her original season, so maybe its more carry over from that.

I love how everyone was hating on Jerri when she didn't seem to do a single thing wrong. Part of me thinks that's why she was so bitter at the reunion.

[Peter]

I love how everyone was hating on Jerri when she didn't seem to do a single thing wrong.

You know you're absolutely right, I can't remember Jerri doing anything remotely villainous in 'All-Star'.

But you know what? The moment where she was booed off the stage in the reunion show still ranks as one of the greatest moments in the show's history, and nobody's takin' that away. For all its faults, 'All-Star' still managed to give a fans a few things that were long overdue.

[o1pickleboy]

.I'm kinda still annoyed at Shii-Ann, too, but I can't remember why...



Was it because she made all stars? I thought that there was at least 3 better choices from Thailand then her. Clay, Helen, and Ted.