Claremontisms

[Brian M.]

This idea just kinda came to me, I'm not 100% sure how I got this idea : :cool: :D
Originally thought up by Fury and than stolen by me.

Can you name some of Claremont's "Claremontisms"?

[xmanson]

The slavery thing. He loves it.

[Twigglet]

Mind controlled X-men.

Kitty and Lockheed I read around here apparently.... :eek:

Sage.. :P

[Beast]

Strong bisexual female characters (Storm, Mystique, Kitty, Karma, Rachel)

Mind control and/or manipulation.

Regressing characters physically. (See Magneto's Nanny Bot and the X-Babies)

[The Fury]

He's got something about leather hasn't he?

And thigh high boots.

[Brian M.]

What about the power explanations?

I'm going to cast lightning down on you from the heavens b/c I'm a Goddess and it's in my powers to manipulate the weather so be gone becuase here comes my lightning.

[Twigglet]

What about the power explanations?

I'm going to cast lightning down on you from the heavens b/c I'm a Goddess and it's in my powers to manipulate the weather so be gone becuase here comes my lightning.

"Ah can't touch ya, or mah skin will ahbsorb all yah memories Sugah"

[Sentinel K]

He's got something about leather hasn't he?

And thigh high boots.

What's wrong with that?
:D

[Brian M.]

"Ah can't touch ya, or mah skin will ahbsorb all yah memories Sugah"

I hate his Southern "accents" they never sound like how we really talk. The only time I hear accents that bad are when we're drunk.

[The Fury]

What's wrong with that?
:D
....Good point. :D

[Beast]

I thought we were talking about his fetishes, not the way he writes accents. ;) :D

[Deathstroke]

Strong bisexual female characters (Storm, Mystique, Kitty, Karma, Rachel)

Mind control and/or manipulation.

Regressing characters physically. (See Magneto's Nanny Bot and the X-Babies)

I thought Karma was a lesbian.

And where did Kitty become bisexual?

[fishtaco]

I thought Karma was a lesbian.

And where did Kitty become bisexual?It was hinted in Mekani X.

[Beast]

I thought Karma was a lesbian.

And where did Kitty become bisexual?
Yeah, my bad... Karma is a lesbian. But yes, the Kitty thing was hinted at in Mekanix. :)

[streator]

possession
bondage
x-man vs. x-man

(these are all about what he writes, not him personally as i don't know him).

[Radical_dreamer]

focusing team books on one character at a time for about 10-20 issues.

[Dizzy D]

Women punching their opponents instead of using their non-physical powers.

[The Fury]

focusing team books on one character at a time for about 10-20 issues.
Don't worry, he'll get to your favourite character soon enough. :)

Then he will write them for 10-20 issues.

[Deathstroke]

Yeah, my bad... Karma is a lesbian. But yes, the Kitty thing was hinted at in Mekanix. :)

It's been a while since I read MechaniX, but I thought Kitty said she was flattered by Xian being interested in her, but she "wasn't into it."

[DDM]

Extraordinary powerful women with a variety uses of their powers:


Storm
Phoenix I/Dark Phoenix
Magma
Magik I (Illyana Rasputin), a demon sorceress & mutant
Selene, the Black Queen
Emma Frost, the White Queen
Phoenix II/Marvel Girl III (Rachel Summers)
Sage (Tessa)


domination/submission scenarios:


The Hellfire Club's sexually charge costumes for the women
the X-Men as helpless prisoners such as being treated as babies (Uncanny X-Men #112-113), being transformed into mutant children by Mojo (Uncanny X-Men Annual #10)
Rachel Summers Hound tattoos & leather costume


bondage:


The Hellfire Club
Rachel Summers Hound costume & leash


The heart's desire is the greatest weapon to turn any character evil (these could also be under dominarion/submission fantasies since it all involves power plays):


Jean Grey's fantasies were exploited by Mastermind as he transformed her into the Hellfire Club's Black Queen.
Psylocke's need for eyes & given by Mojo, although he used her bionic eyes to broadcast her every thought & everything she saw to Mojoworld for profit.
Psylocke's need to be the ultimate woman warrior was exploited by the Hand (unknown to them Mojo & Spiral pulled the strings) to become the Hand's telepathic ninja assassin.
Alistaire's desire to have Phoenix II for himself was exploited by an evil Magik on an alternate Earth. However, Phoenix defeated the Darkchilde before she could corrupt him.

[xakko]

Yeah, my bad... Karma is a lesbian. But yes, the Kitty thing was hinted at in Mekanix. :)
And X-treme X-men in the later issues.

[o1pickleboy]

I hate his Southern "accents" they never sound like how we really talk. The only time I hear accents that bad are when we're drunk.


Well maybe Rogue is drunk all the time.

[Haunt]

i think he had a Storm fetish at one point. but mostly lesbianism is his thing.

[Indigo Al]

Dominatrices - is that the plural of dominatrix?

And within this fetish he had a very specific subset fetish: the she-mullet

[atoningunifex]

It's been a while since I read MechaniX, but I thought Kitty said she was flattered by Xian being interested in her, but she "wasn't into it."

There's a part at the end of Mekanix where Kitty hgas a moment when she has a little bit of feeling for Xian. When Xian showed up in new Mutants it was referred to as something that didn't quite happen.

[Brian M.]

Dominatrices - is that the plural of dominatrix?

And within this fetish he had a very specific subset fetish: the she-mullet

Please, lets not bring up that she-mullet. That's the worst thing to come out of the South in a long long long long time.

[atoningunifex]

As for Claremont's fetishes...it's really one fetish. He's into S&M. I should probably say BDSM but I'm feeling old school.

All of the stuff mentioned in this thread stems from it. Power plays, sexy costumes, leather, mental games, strong women, character progression through examination of darker aspects of the personality- it all stems from that S&M thing he's got going on.

Is it weird? Depends on your point of view. It's only a slightly more sexualized portrayal of the silliness of superheroics than happens in most comic books. And it's an interesting take on heroic fiction.

Some of the other stuff mentioned in this thread- power descriptions, transliteration of accents, focusing on one character- these are not fetishes. These are stylistic tics and his personal preferences in storytelling.

[david r]

Claremont often gets criticized when he had characters explain their powers in each issue, back in the 80s. Most posters here probably are unaware that then-EiC Jim Shooter made an edict that the heroes were to explain their powers in each issue! so new readers would know what powers they had.

Some of his quirks are his fault, some come from higher-up the food chain at Marvel.

One fetish he seems to have is devoting much of his time to these wonderful characters and actually trying to build something. Unlike most of the writers on X-Men who are hired, do their 10 minutes, and then ride off with the big paycheck and X-Men in their resume. He is the only writer who is really dedicated to the X-Men. If that is a fetish, I'm glad of it.

[Jake V]

Claremont often gets criticized when he had characters explain their powers in each issue, back in the 80s. Most posters here probably are unaware that then-EiC Jim Shooter made an edict that the heroes were to explain their powers in each issue! so new readers would know what powers they had.

Some of his quirks are his fault, some come from higher-up the food chain at Marvel.

One fetish he seems to have is devoting much of his time to these wonderful characters and actually trying to build something. Unlike most of the writers on X-Men who are hired, do their 10 minutes, and then ride off with the big paycheck and X-Men in their resume. He is the only writer who is really dedicated to the X-Men. If that is a fetish, I'm glad of it.
I don't think that any of that addresses anything that this thread is about.

I'm guessing Claremont is a bottom.

[david r]

I'm guessing Claremont is a bottom.

:confused:

[Jake V]

When exactly did you lose your mind?
Claremonts 500th mind control/domination/female superiority story.

[Sharcque]

I'm guessing Claremont is a bottom.
LMAO, and I don't even understand what this means!

[jcp011c]

LMAO, and I don't even understand what this means!

He likes strong women, and let's leave it at that ;) Oye - the children will be running to their parents with inappropriate questions otherwise.

[Radical_dreamer]

Don't worry, he'll get to your favourite character soon enough. :)

Then he will write them for 10-20 issues.

haha, dear child....I don't read Claremont. HAHA...oh you silly

[Zigor]

I can't believe no one menttioned his fasination with women having their arms turned into tenticles! :)

[Tommy]

Claremont is certainly into BDSM. Specifically he loves a woman beating up a man.

Lets look at the Morlocks. Half of them are wearing what I presume is fairly expensive fetish wear. I am not sure how the community of outcasts living in the sewers could possibly afford that much leather bondage wear… but they were able to none the less.

Then they are introduced when their female leader kidnaps (I.E. ties up) the Angel. The proceeds to nail him to a wall and torture him.

Then there was the time Colisto took all of Xavier’s clothes off and replaced them with fetish wear.

Claremont clearly wants to be dominated by women sexually which explains why all women eventually turn omnipotent when written by him (Jean Grey to Phoenix, Rachel Grey to Phoenix, Storm to uber storm goddess, Rogue gets all her powers, Sage, Kitty becomes a ninja…) He loves for a woman to be powerful and in charge.

[Trystenn]

The F*ck is wron with you post Emma my darling?

[Tommy]

The F*ck is wron with you post Emma my darling?
I got really pissed off durring a computer game and slammed my mouse breaking it.

[bakla]

I can't believe no one menttioned his fascination with women having their arms turned into tentacles! :)
Nah, that's just a recycling thing. When Claremont thinks of an idea that was intended to be a one-off he decides that it's cool and he should redo it elswhere when it's original 'term' ends. Jean getting tentacles from Masque who later does the same to Callisto is the example you raised. The same holds true for Illyana's soulsword that is the sum total of her arcane might, and that disrupts magic but leaves the physical body unharmed, later recycled as Psylocke's psychic knife that is the sum total of her psychic might, that disrupts one's mind but leaves your body unharmed. Also Jubilee as a character from the Wildways, later realized as Jubilee the X-man. And then we have Phoenix, and Phoenix II, and also, (although more likely out of frustration from losing Phoenix after leaving teh X-books) Maitresse from Sovereign Seven. That Claremont, he likes his themes. Although I don't know if one could quite call that tendency to repeat a fave theme a fetish.

[Trystenn]

I got really pissed off durring a computer game and slammed my mouse breaking it.
Whoa, no worries ive done much worse when i played Diablo 2, namely cause mass destrustion.

[Rachel Grey]

That Claremont, he likes his themes. Although I don't know if one could quite call that tendency to repeat a fave theme a fetish.

When John Williams dose it it's called leitmotif :p

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Nah, that's just a recycling thing. When Claremont thinks of an idea that was intended to be a one-off he decides that it's cool and he should redo it elswhere when it's original 'term' ends. Jean getting tentacles from Masque who later does the same to Callisto is the example you raised. The same holds true for Illyana's soulsword that is the sum total of her arcane might, and that disrupts magic but leaves the physical body unharmed, later recycled as Psylocke's psychic knife that is the sum total of her psychic might, that disrupts one's mind but leaves your body unharmed. Also Jubilee as a character from the Wildways, later realized as Jubilee the X-man. And then we have Phoenix, and Phoenix II, and also, (although more likely out of frustration from losing Phoenix after leaving teh X-books) Maitresse from Sovereign Seven. That Claremont, he likes his themes. Although I don't know if one could quite call that tendency to repeat a fave theme a fetish.

I'm pretty sure that the first time he did this was to Selene in that terrible Kulan Grath, transformed Manhattan storyline....

[bakla]

I'm pretty sure that the first time he did this was to Selene in that terrible Kulan Grath, transformed Manhattan storyline....
Oh, true. Although with Jean & Callisto, he made them into things that the women both actually liked - there was a lot of exposition on Jean's part about how incredible they were in function. I think that's where he 'fell in love' with them as a concept, but of course, I'm only guessing. But good call. :)

[The Sword Is Drawn]

With Selene she was already wearing kinky hellfire club black queen garb, she was on a leash, had tentacles for amrs, and had her mouth sealed off (Matrix stylee) so she couldn't even scream out.

So many dodgy fetishes in one... :D

[Dizzy D]

Nah, that's just a recycling thing. When Claremont thinks of an idea that was intended to be a one-off he decides that it's cool and he should redo it elswhere when it's original 'term' ends. Jean getting tentacles from Masque who later does the same to Callisto is the example you raised. The same holds true for Illyana's soulsword that is the sum total of her arcane might, and that disrupts magic but leaves the physical body unharmed, later recycled as Psylocke's psychic knife that is the sum total of her psychic might, that disrupts one's mind but leaves your body unharmed. Also Jubilee as a character from the Wildways, later realized as Jubilee the X-man. And then we have Phoenix, and Phoenix II, and also, (although more likely out of frustration from losing Phoenix after leaving teh X-books) Maitresse from Sovereign Seven. That Claremont, he likes his themes. Although I don't know if one could quite call that tendency to repeat a fave theme a fetish.

There is also somewhat of a transformation-theme in his stories, where women turn into something inhuman (Storm->space-whale, Psylocke->metal warrior, the aforementioned tentacles), though it's not as developed as the other themes.

[Joe Zool]

I'm guessing Claremont is a bottom.

He's married, actually. To a woman. ;)

[The Sword Is Drawn]

There is also somewhat of a transformation-theme in his stories, where women turn into something inhuman (Storm->space-whale, Psylocke->metal warrior, the aforementioned tentacles), though it's not as developed as the other themes.

Storm as a Space Whale was just... odd...

[bakla]

He's married, actually. To a woman. ;)
And Beth doesn't seem like the "fetish woman" at all... she's such a sweetheart.

[The Fury]

haha, dear child....I don't read Claremont. HAHA...oh you silly
You will, especially when he writes your favourite character. ;)

[DDM]

With Selene she was already wearing kinky hellfire club black queen garb, she was on a leash, had tentacles for amrs, and had her mouth sealed off (Matrix stylee) so she couldn't even scream out.

So many dodgy fetishes in one... :D

However, "Selene" turned out to be Magma. Selene had traded places with Amara at some point.

[jeangreydp]

Have they ever said Rachel was bi?

I mean she is a bit butchy, but I didn't think they'd ever said she was.

[The Fury]

However, "Selene" turned out to be Magma. Selene had traded places with Amara at some point.
Selene, Magma...doesn't matter who was wearing the 'kinky hellfire club black queen garb', the important thing was that someone was wearing it.

[DDM]

Selene, Magma...doesn't matter who was wearing the 'kinky hellfire club black queen garb', the important thing was that someone was wearing it.

Selene used her sorcery to trade places with Magma. Once Magma revealed herself, Selene showed true colors & betrayed the X-Men for Gath's amulet.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Selene used her sorcery to trade places with Magma. Once Magma revealed herself, Selene showed true colors & betrayed the X-Men for Gath's amulet.

You are, of course, correct here, mate. But in this case were just observing the imagery. And let's face that was several examples in one. Mind you you could find this kind of thing in any book. It's nowhere near Claremont exclusive... :D

[Dizzy D]

He's married, actually. To a woman. ;)

As we have seen with Herr Starr in Preacher, one doesn't exclude the other.

[Tennoarashi]

Storm as a Space Whale was just... odd...
I thought it was awesome. I've been hoping for a long time that she'd meet up with 'her child', the new Prophet Singer.

[Turd_Ferguson]

How has no one mentioned opaque writing yet?

[Faded]

I know I'm naive, but what does S&M and BDSM stand for?

lol about the bottom thing...I actually got that one! :D

[DDM]

I know I'm naive, but what does S&M and BDSM stand for?

lol about the bottom thing...I actually got that one! :D

S&M: sadomasochism
BD: bondage

[dazzler_slave]

He's married, actually. To a woman. ;)
Bottom is not just a gay term. In S&M, the bottom is the submissive one. You can be a straight S&M bottom. It just means you like your woman to be the boss.

[Tommy]

Bottom is not just a gay term.
I belive gay culture stole the term from the S&M people.

[Be Stiff]

There is that story involving the Storm costume...

[Tommy]

There is that story involving the Storm costume...
This I would love to hear...

[LoneWolf21]

This I would love to hear...

If that's the one I remember being told once....gah!

[streator]

This I would love to hear...
the last time it got posted on the boards the poster was banned, so i doubt you'll hear it here (unless in a pm or something).

[Faded]

Wow...I never knew someone could get banned. That bad?

[Novaya Havoc]

Eh, Claremont loves strong, asexual or lesbian/bisexual female characters.

Storm, Destiny, Mystique, Rogue, Psylocke, Rachel, Sage, this horrid New Excalibur Dazzler. Many of these characters either had implicit lesbian relationships, or were painted as not having feeling/sexuality, as seen with Betsy turning into a cyber-warrior, or Rae's future BDSM "hound" outfit.

It's very rare for the man to write a "feminine" character -- and if he does, they're either the naive youth or the annoying primadonna. In fact, the only female character I'd say he wrote "femininely" was Australian X-Men Dazzler and she was annoying as all get-out most of the time, with the other X-Men constantly checking her.

You could argue for Jean, Madelyne, Jubilee, and Kitty as well, though Kitty even had to have martial arts training, and Jubilee was "scrappy."

-B

[LoneWolf21]

Wow...I never knew someone could get banned. That bad?

It's....many things. Akward just being one of them.

[Gnarl]

Did he write Rahne Sinclair, or was that Louise Simonson?

[LoneWolf21]

Did he write Rahne Sinclair, or was that Louise Simonson?

Yes, he wrote her. Heck, he co-created her.

[Gnarl]

She always struck me as feminine. Not one of the "uber" sper-woman mold. Maybe a bit 60's, but that is breaking the mold, these days.

[Tommy]

Jean,
He actually never wrote Jean all that much. She only appeared in less than two years worth of stories. She was written off almost immediately. Then reappeared to do the Phoenix saga and then was written off once more and then turned evil, was killed. And when she was resurrected sent over to X-Factor. By the time she returned to the X-men Claremont had left.

Some one PM me this Storm story. I am dying now!

[fishtaco]

Did he write Rahne Sinclair, or was that Louise Simonson?Chris Claremont created Rahne Sinclair, but her being a lesbian/bisexual would be especially odd because of her strong religious values. Louise Simonson took over the New Mutants at issue 54, and she wrote Wolfsbane until the end of the X-Tinction Agenda. Thankfully, she didn't become part of Cable's X-Force team under Rob Liefeld. Instead, Peter David wrote the character in X-Factor. After that, Warren Ellis had her for his run on Excalibur. She was seen here and there during Revolution under Claremont agan, where she lost her powers. Nunzio and Christina picked her up in 2003 and wrote her for a year or two, and now PAD has her again for X-Factor, which comes out in two days.

Sorry. I'm just really passionate about the character. :p :p

[TimGunn]

I really loved Rahne, too. But the whole hooking-up-with-a-student melodrama seemed so out of character. She's supposed to be the tortured soul, not a flirt.

Who is this Chris Claremont guy everybody is talking about?

[Faded]

S&M: sadomasochism
BD: bondage

Aaaah, okay. Bondage isn't my thing.

[Rachel Grey]

Have they ever said Rachel was bi?

I mean she is a bit butchy, but I didn't think they'd ever said she was.

IIRC it's only been hinted at.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

IIRC it's only been hinted at.

If you read the original run of Excalibur, the relationship between her and Kitty, past and present has strong suggestions at this. But there has never actually been a direct statement. And to be honest I'd prefer it stayed that way.

[The Fury]

IIRC it's only been hinted at.
It has....take most recently where she seemingly got jealous becuase Colossus had returned and stolen Kitty away from her.

She said it was becuase Psylocke and Colossus had returned and not her mum

But we know the truth...she wants some loving from Kitty.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

It has....take most recently where she seemingly got jealous becuase Colossus had returned and stolen Kitty away from her.

She said it was becuase Psylocke and Colossus had returned and not her mum

But we know the truth...she wants some loving from Kitty.

Lol!

However, that is the official line on the matter...

I really wish the Rachel and Havok discussion in last month's Unlimited had actually been in a main X-Book...

[ProfessorTen]

I really wish the Rachel and Havok discussion in last month's Unlimited had actually been in a main X-Book...


Oooh - I didn't pick that up - care to summarize what they said to one another? Inquiring minds want to know...

[fishtaco]

Who is this Chris Claremont guy everybody is talking about?Are you being sarcastic or serious?

[Daithi]

It has....take most recently where she seemingly got jealous becuase Colossus had returned and stolen Kitty away from her.

She said it was becuase Psylocke and Colossus had returned and not her mum

But we know the truth...she wants some loving from Kitty.

Not to mention that her ultimate fantasy from "The End", a fantasy she can't break out off is herself and Kitty adventuring in skimpy clothes.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Oooh - I didn't pick that up - care to summarize what they said to one another? Inquiring minds want to know...

Largely trying to deal with the bitterness she still feels for her father, regarding his immediate cupling with Emma Frost so close to her mothers death.

It was just a nice talk with her uncle, trying to get him to understand.

This scene should have occured properly in either Uncanny or X-men.

[ProfessorTen]

Largely trying to deal with the bitterness she still feels for her father, regarding his immediate cupling with Emma Frost so close to her mothers death.

It was just a nice talk with her uncle, trying to get him to understand.

This scene should have occured properly in either Uncanny or X-men.

I would have liked that too - I don't think she's ever really had a heart-to-heart with Havok - like, ever!

For some reason, it's weird to see him as her uncle - ah, the Summers family tree, gotta love it!

But who knows, maybe she's really Alex's love child with Jean, and not Scott!!












Just kidding... :evilsmile

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I would have liked that too - I don't think she's ever really had a heart-to-heart with Havok - like, ever!

For some reason, it's weird to see him as her uncle - ah, the Summers family tree, gotta love it!

But who knows, maybe she's really Alex's love child with Jean, and not Scott!!












Just kidding... :evilsmile

I would prefer to see this kind of approach finally being taken with Rachel.

In her life Scott's her dad, Alex her uncle, her mother isn't even on this world or plane of existence...

Only to them, it means nothing. Because in this dimension and time line they never got a cxhance to forge that connection with Rachel, as she just never happened.

I wish somebody would just grab Cyclops by the shoulders, shake him up and remind him he has two kids! One who grew up and one who's still doing so, and regardless of whether he wanted them or not, they need him sometimes...

[The Fury]

Not to mention that her ultimate fantasy from "The End", a fantasy she can't break out off is herself and Kitty adventuring in skimpy clothes.
Hey, who wouldn't want to have that as their Ultimate fantasy...Kitty and Rachel running around with each other in skimpy clothes....

[Megalictis]

Ah, so it's not just my imagination. Others have noticed it too... Certainly sadistic villians capturing, binding and torturing heroes and heroines with beautiful bodies and skin-tight costumes is not original to Claremont, but rather is a long-standing part of the superhero comic genre. Claremont's interest in BDSM characteristics first became overt (to me) with the Hellfire Club, but seems to carry through his work into the present. Perhaps he was trying to make the villians' motivations seem more realistic. I'm surprised no one has mentioned all the BDSM elements in the Arena storyline. Or the Shadow King. Or Elias Bogan. Or Tullamore Vogue.

There was something Jean said to Kurt in X-Men: The End, something about the freedom of being a slave, that seems to come too close to being a genuine observation to just be "made-up." Writers write what they know, and I believe Claremont knows what he's writing.

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

Ah, so it's not just my imagination. Others have noticed it too... Certainly sadistic villians capturing, binding and torturing heroes and heroines with beautiful bodies and skin-tight costumes is not original to Claremont, but rather is a long-standing part of the superhero comic genre. Claremont's interest in BDSM characteristics first became overt (to me) with the Hellfire Club, but seems to carry through his work into the present. Perhaps he was trying to make the villians' motivations seem more realistic. I'm surprised no one has mentioned all the BDSM elements in the Arena storyline. Or the Shadow King. Or Elias Bogan. Or Tullamore Vogue.

There was something Jean said to Kurt in X-Men: The End, something about the freedom of being a slave, that seems to come too close to being a genuine observation to just be "made-up." Writers write what they know, and I believe Claremont knows what he's writing.



He and Anne Rice should do a sequel to Exit to Eden.

[DDM]

Ah, so it's not just my imagination. Others have noticed it too... Certainly sadistic villians capturing, binding and torturing heroes and heroines with beautiful bodies and skin-tight costumes is not original to Claremont, but rather is a long-standing part of the superhero comic genre. Claremont's interest in BDSM characteristics first became overt (to me) with the Hellfire Club, but seems to carry through his work into the present. Perhaps he was trying to make the villians' motivations seem more realistic. I'm surprised no one has mentioned all the BDSM elements in the Arena storyline. Or the Shadow King. Or Elias Bogan. Or Tullamore Vogue.

There was something Jean said to Kurt in X-Men: The End, something about the freedom of being a slave, that seems to come too close to being a genuine observation to just be "made-up." Writers write what they know, and I believe Claremont knows what he's writing.

Spiral says something similar to Psylocke in The New Mutants Annual #2 before she forces Spiral out of her mind.

[Novaya Havoc]

Any reason why this was PC-ed to "Claremontisms" instead of "Claremont fetishes"?

-B

[kalorama]

I would prefer to see this kind of approach finally being taken with Rachel.

In her life Scott's her dad, Alex her uncle, her mother isn't even on this world or plane of existence...

Only to them, it means nothing. Because in this dimension and time line they never got a cxhance to forge that connection with Rachel, as she just never happened.

I wish somebody would just grab Cyclops by the shoulders, shake him up and remind him he has two kids! One who grew up and one who's still doing so, and regardless of whether he wanted them or not, they need him sometimes...

I doubt Cable needs him much. As for Rachel, she's not really his daughter in any real sense. He and Jean never had a little girl. Rachel's from a future that may or may not happen and the Cyclops who's her father in that future may not even be the same person (in terms of personality, attitudes, beliefs, etc.) as the one who exists "now."