Do the X-men care for humans anymore?

[The Fury]

Or is it more about them and their survival now?

To me the X-men have seemingly been moving away from the idea of making the world a place where humans and mutants can coexist and more about how mutants are treated in the world and how they can sort that out.

A school only for mutants, the open day didn't work and no humans students joined. A police force to handle mutants (X.S.E.) not to prevent superhumans from doing stuff but mutants. X-corp, basically a safe haven for mutants.

I guess you could say that maybe Whedon had the right idea bout makign them heroes again. To save people from other bad people or things.

But then it turned to the X-men stopping a cure from being made to prevent the extinction of their species. No consideration over the mutants that wasnted to be cured or who lived their lives in pain.

And most recently, millions of mutants have been de-powered. But how many of these depowered mutants (who are now human) are living or at the mansion?...As far asI can see...none. The X-men could help many of them over come their loss of power but instead they send them home to deal with it themselves.

They generall seem to be dealing with more mutant issues then human ones any more. And if it does involve humans, they are saving the humans from mutants.

Any thoughts?

[Sentinel K]

I do agree with you Fury, but I'm really tired and my brain is fried so I can't really think of anything of substance to actually add at the moment.

Will contribute tomorrow. :o

[Crimson]

Me and Venus have been talking about this due to Decimation.

Personally I find it really odd that the X-Men are seemingly kicking out people because they are no longer human.

I know we’re getting the excuse some of them are safer elsewhere but I don’t buy that. I don’t see why (Spoiler for Gen M#1) Chamber is any safer in that hospital then in the mansion. I know the mansion isn’t safe but if anyone wanted to make an example out of Chamber he’s right there for the taking..

The main one that po’d me was Moonstar. With her there wasn’t even the lame excuse she’d be better off it was simply she wasn’t a mutant anymore so she’s fired.

The X-Men, especially in Decimation, seem to be turning into what they apparently are fighting against… racism.

I’m loving the direction we currently have and its an interesting time to be a fan but I do agree the X-men/Human relationship isn’t being handled all that well.

[Sentry]

personally, i have never liked the when the x-men were formed and i just cant and wont get my head around prof xavier. sending kids in uniform/military wear to help humans and mutants bridge the divide....i dont think so!

[Beast]

I believe they still care about humans. The problem is right now, the number of threats directed at the school by outside sources would be too high to risk keeping the depowered students there. They have Sentinels and the Sapien League on their doorstep, and who knows what's coming next.

Plus given the attacks being directed at the remaining mutants, they made the tough decision to open the doors to those who need sanctuary. It's an incredibly stressful time and the X-Men are just trying to do what they can to both keep the depowered and the refugees safe in the dangerous new world. :)

[The Fury]

Me and Venus have been talking about this due to Decimation.
Hehe, Ditto. :)


I’m loving the direction we currently have and its an interesting time to be a fan but I do agree the X-men/Human relationship isn’t being handled all that well.
The Gen M thing is another arguement in the whole pot. Lets take Blob for example. His loss of power has left him with a loads of skin. It would make sense for the X-men to help this now human to get to grips with this and help him out.

Ditto on the spoler you listed above. I mean it wasn't just any mutant at that it was a once X-man.

It seemed that in HoM: Day After that all students that were now human were sent home and those who were still mutants got to remain at the school.

[Crimson]

I believe they still care about humans. The problem is right now, the number of threats directed at the school by outside sources would be too high to risk keeping the depowered students there. They have Sentinels and the Sapien League on their doorstep, and who knows what's coming next.

Plus given the attacks being directed at the remaining mutants, they made the tough decision to open the doors to those who need sanctuary. It's an incredibly stressful time and the X-Men are just trying to do what they can to both keep the depowered and the refugees safe in the dangerous new world. :)

The students kind of I agree with due to their safety (I can see where they are coming from) but turning on people like Moonstar who's life is the X-Men these days seems... harsh.

Powers or not she's a valuable assest.

[Beast]

The students kind of I agree with due to their safety (I can see where they are coming from) but turning on people like Moonstar who's life is the X-Men these days seems... harsh.

Powers or not she's a valuable assest.
Well, Emma's just a bitch in general.

Any chance to get rid of one of her detractors probably makes her breakdance. :p

But if she was written out for a reason, such as getting her Valkyrie powers back or becoming a Horsemen, I can forgive the need to toss her out so harshly, as long as it's handled well.

[fishtaco]

Cyclops's team doesnt. Storm's team does. It's an excellent question that is raised in X-Treme X-Men 19-23. Xavier and Cyclops were all about protecting mutants, teaching mutants, and advancing the cause of mutant rights. Sage pointed out that they no longer seemed to care much for normal human beings.

Storm's team staying away from Xavier's was logical because of the apparent disagreement between the X-Men. Unfortunately, the editors failed to understand this and they made the XSE return to the mansion, as well as Kitty Pryde.

Grant Morrison seemed to forget the idea of treating mutants and humans equally. I saw very little (or none) of the X-Men during his run helping normal humans. It seemed to just be about mutants.

[The Fury]

Storm's team staying away from Xavier's was logical because of the apparent disagreement between the X-Men. Unfortunately, the editors failed to understand this and they made the XSE return to the mansion, as well as Kitty Pryde.
Tell me though. What was the purpose of Storm's X.S.E.?

What kind of Police force or peace keeping for was it?

[Dizzy D]

Tell me though. What was the purpose of Storm's X.S.E.?

What kind of Police force or peace keeping for was it?

To protect the humans from the mutants. (To make that point they did alter Xavier's speech from New X-men where he said that if a person was in trouble, all they had to do was think X to if a mutant was in trouble, all he/she had to do was think X in X-treme X-men. Bothered me a lot at the time in.)

[Silver_Phoenix]

In Ultimate X-Men, Proffesor X has changed. It's like he has given up on the dream that formed the x-men. I've only read a few of the ulimate comics, but it seems like he has lost the kindness that he used to have.

[Nightcrawler]

After Decimation, the X-Men are recovering from their losses, and the new status quo hasn't been developed yet. I don't think they are in any position to go save the world.

[Haunt]

"The X-Men don't care about humans!" - Kanye West

[kloudsurfer]

They do care. Lately, they have just been too busy saving their own asses!

[jawbreaker]

"The X-Men don't care about humans!" - Kanye West

rotf lol!!! XD

[xgeek52]

they care, but at the moment they're caught by the short hairs...but that's always been their lot in life since their existence has been known...

it's not about racism, it's about the survival and best interest of mutant society...harsh, yes -- but i've always maintained that any xbook is the mirror of society...who said life is fair...danielle moonstar is human and valued or not (and i believe she would be an asset) she got the boot...

what no one has mentioned, is the house of m(which i did not read)and the morrison run (which i read, hated and put down)was a prelude to the war that marvel has been laying the ground work for the last 20 plus years...

didya think they were gonna forget days of future past...

they care...right now though they can't afford to... :cool:

[Gnarl]

The X-Men have had two human members that I recall. Neither lasted very long.

They also had two humans employed at the school, but they quit after sexual and emotional abuse.

[kloudsurfer]

Who were they?

[Faded]

I think this is the perfect time for some X-Men to start re-thinking, "maybe Magneto was right...".

[fishtaco]

Who were they?Non-mutant X-Men were Longshot, "Skrullverine", Lockheed, Juggernaut, and Mimic. :)

[The Fury]

I think this is the perfect time for some X-Men to start re-thinking, "maybe Magneto was right...".
To be honest, I think they are drawing very very close to that line.

Even Magneto cares for some human's, he respected them as well (see Captain America). But his priorities are to mutants and always have been.

The X-men started off as a team of mutants trying to help the world out. Now they seem to be an organisation devoted to the protection of mutants. Human's seem like a second importance to them.

[Faded]

Non-mutant X-Men were Longshot, "Skrullverine", Lockheed, Juggernaut, and Mimic.

Also Alysdane Stuart, Magik II, Moira, Warlock, Fantomex(?), Tom Corsi & Sharon Friedlander, the PF, and Fiz also qualify.

To be honest, I think they are drawing very very close to that line.

Even Magneto cares for some human's, he respected them as well (see Captain America). But his priorities are to mutants and always have been.

The X-men started off as a team of mutants trying to help the world out. Now they seem to be an organisation devoted to the protection of mutants. Human's seem like a second importance to them.

I really would like to see the X-Mens personal viewpoints with Decimation regarding where the X-Men as a whole should stand. Coupled with all that's already happened, having some of your family jump ship with a different set of goals and game plan would probably be pretty interesting.

[Gnarl]

Who were they?

Non-mutant members I was thinking about, who were full X-men with the knowledge that they were not mutants were Juggernaut and Mimic.

House-humans were Sharon Friedlander and Tom Crosi, both peak human physical specimens who were employed in menial capacities at Xaviers untill quitting after massive sexual abuse.

[AllisterH]

Non-mutant members I was thinking about, who were full X-men with the knowledge that they were not mutants were Juggernaut and Mimic.

House-humans were Sharon Friedlander and Tom Crosi, both peak human physical specimens who were employed in menial capacities at Xaviers untill quitting after massive sexual abuse.

Um, which issues were those two humans in? I definitely don't remember them....

[Dizzy D]

Um, which issues were those two humans in? I definitely don't remember them....

Sharon and Tom were in the original New Mutants, but I don't remember the sexual abuse. Tom was mentioned as a teacher in the new New Mutants though, so he was willing to return. There was also a human student at Xavier's until recently.

[LoneWolf21]

Um, which issues were those two humans in? I definitely don't remember them....

Mostly in New Mutants. Sharon was the school Nurse, and Tom was the groundskeeper.

They quit after Empath did a mindwhammy on them that made them spend a lot of time together in that sort of way (obviously against their will)

[LoneWolf21]

Sharon and Tom were in the original New Mutants, but I don't remember the sexual abuse. Tom was mentioned as a teacher in the new New Mutants though, so he was willing to return. There was also a human student at Xavier's until recently.

And there was that boy from the Chamber mini-series (I can't remember his name. He was in a wheelchair) who studied at the school as part of an exchange program.

[fishtaco]

Also Alysdane Stuart, Magik II, Moira, Warlock, Fantomex(?), Tom Corsi & Sharon Friedlander, the PF, and Fiz also qualify.If you count them, then yes (the official handbook doesn't), except for Fiz. He was a mutant Skrull, with the ability to increase his size. Who's the PF?

[Faded]

Phoenix Force. The official handbook (teams) counts them.

[Hi-Fi]

Phoenix Force. The official handbook (teams) counts them.

Faded, i like your avatar a lot!


sorry, kinda off-topic.

[Faded]

Thanks! I like yours too he's cute. Don't know where its from though.

Off topic comment: I think by now I wouldn't care too much for humans either if I was a mutant. Wouldn't kill them but I wouldn't bust my ... for them either.

[Hi-Fi]

Thanks! I like yours too he's cute. Don't know where its from though.

Off topic comment: I think by now I wouldn't care too much for humans either if I was a mutant. Wouldn't kill them but I wouldn't bust my ... for them either.

It's from Y The Last Man, a great great book by Brian K. Vaughan. I know you're a Runaways fun, so you'll love it!


And i agree, i wouldn't give a damn about the sad humans.

[Faded]

I'll be trying everything BKV so I'll get around to it. They print it in TPB right?

And I would think after so many years at least some X-Men would jump ship from X's dream.

[Hi-Fi]

I'll be trying everything BKV so I'll get around to it. They print it in TPB right?



Yes, they do. Higly recomended.

[xgeek52]

you guys are forgetting stevie hunter, the dancer who taught kitty pryde... :cool:

[Haunt]

you guys are forgetting stevie hunter, the dancer who taught kitty pryde... :cool:

didn't Storm used to treat Stevie like crap; because of her closeness to Kitty?

[xgeek52]

not really...but the jealosy was there... :cool: