kirkman-o-riffic: marvel zombies 1 and marvel team-up 15 spoilers

[thik_3rd]

too lazy to make two threads, so spoiler tags on both...

zombies 1 - this book was hilarious, disgusting, but hilarious
well they zombies made short work of mags. he gave them a bit of a chase (killing hawkeye in the process), but was no match for the stealth zombie wasp. after she bit him, the zombies had a bit of a feeding fenzy, which apparently, after they eat, gives them a few moments of clarity. zombie spider-man bemoans their fate "i ate my wife!" zombies pym and banner (who's stomach is now bursting with the remains of magneto he ate while the hulk, but after reverting to banner wasn't large enough to contain) ponder how their new zombie physiology works. zombie daredevil finds out the swelling in his ankles is caused by the lack of heart (which magneto punched out with an i-beam or something), basically all the blood in his body is being pulled down by gravity. he asks if he could just cut his ankles to drain the blood, to which zombie luke cage says "not next to me you can't!". zombie cage then sees something flying by...non-zombie silver surfer...and asks the other if they see that. "yeah, more food"

mtu 15...
ehh, too lazy to do any big spoilers for this. the meat of the plot for this issue was revealed in the preview. the only characters from the cover we see are darkhawk, speedball and gravity. it was good, but seemed to end right when things were really getting good.

[Doom Hammer]

Marvel Zombies made me feel sick and made me laugh very hard at the same time. Just the idea itself...all the heroes in the world turned into zombies, eating their loved ones, devouring Jarvis...kinda causes some mixed emotions.

"I just want to die!"

"Well you can't right now, so be quiet while we think!"

LoL!

I don't see a five-issue story here, but what do I know? The first one was awesome.


The art made MTU weak. I don't hate Paco Medina, but his new villains can NOT be taken seriously, and it all just kinda looked rushed to me. This'll be a good story, though. Nice time-traveling fun and whatnot.

[DarkCrisis]

I did NOT see Mags suddenly dying!! That surprised me in a good way!

[malephoenix]

Man, I'm glad someone finally made a thread about Zombies. I didn't want to start it.

After the recent Heroclix poll that offered Invincible as a new sub-set, I've started diving into Kirkman's stuff. Today, I was so glad by all the new arrivals of books that I got to my LCS early. He wasn't done sorting through the shipment yet, so I just picked up Zombies and asked him to toss it onto my pull list and I left to read it and come back later for the rest of what I was gonna pick up.

I think I just can't appreciate zombies anymore. :( I used to love 'em; just fun stories and stuff, but the utter disgust I got from seeing Mags ripped apart like that - especially by people who are supposed to be heros - made me wish I hadn't read it. I know that part of the point - that the so-called heros are now soulless beasts - but it's weird; it just doesn't have any appeal to me anymore. But nothing was as bad as hearing Spidey's lament over eating MJ and Aunt May. That was just too much for me. (Man, that's weird.) Something about a zombie with a conscience just pushed me too far. When I went back for the rest of my pulls (including MTU #15 :D), I took it back off my list. I'll check in on the story from others, and if it ends up being a tale of zombies who seek redemption in some way, then I'll pick up the other issues.

That said, I do appreciate how Mags' died out of nowhere as good storytelling. I just didn't like seeing it happen. And the twist that they can feel their consciences and think somewhat logically just after eating was cool, too. See, I *really* thought this was going to be a story about Mags and the survivors from Asteroid M - but what great writing for it to actually be a tale about the zombies themselves. Wow.

(I know. I don't want to read the gore, but I appreciate the writing. Weird, weird, weird. This is quite possibly the least sense-making post I've ever written.)

[ultramandingo]

ewwww ........magneto parts pop out banners guts and thor eats them.....ewwwwwww.
hopefully more villians ( like on astroid m ) will show up to get chewed up

[streator]

just a question, more so about zombies in general than this mini...

why don't they just eat each other? is there something supposedly different about living brains/tissues that separates it from zombie-fied ones? i know the typical zombie thing is eating brains, but what separates a live person's brain from a zombie's? is it just the impulse to kill living things? i never really got that, to be honest.

[megladon8]

just a question, more so about zombies in general than this mini...

why don't they just eat each other? is there something supposedly different about living brains/tissues that separates it from zombie-fied ones? i know the typical zombie thing is eating brains, but what separates a live person's brain from a zombie's? is it just the impulse to kill living things? i never really got that, to be honest.


Actually, the whole "brain eating" thing was invented by Return of the Living Dead in the 80s. Before that, they just ate people.

And there's never really been a definitive answer, but the most generally accepted one is that only living flesh appeals to them. Dead flesh is cold, living flesh is warm. And we all know how satisfying a warm meal is :)

[malephoenix]

just a question, more so about zombies in general than this mini...

why don't they just eat each other? is there something supposedly different about living brains/tissues that separates it from zombie-fied ones? i know the typical zombie thing is eating brains, but what separates a live person's brain from a zombie's? is it just the impulse to kill living things? i never really got that, to be honest.

In this first issue, the Zombie heros talk about it some. Thor says he's still hungry and looks at the de-hulked Banner. Banner says something to the effect of "I may not be Hulk right now, but I'm still just as infected as you. I wouldn't taste any better than your own arm."

So in this storyline, it's about taste/sustenance. The insatiable drive to feed overwhelms them and makes them crave human flesh. (And as note earlier, after eating, they have a brief period of being able to feel guilty/have emotions, and can also think logically.)

Each zombie storyline is different from others. It's subtle, sometimes, but the differences sometimes make the story.

[The Adventurer]

Each zombie storyline is different from others. It's subtle, sometimes, but the differences sometimes make the story.

For example in this title only Super Humans become Zombies, Humans just die. Also the Zombies are intelligent to the point before they are overcome with the cravings for human and super human flesh.

[streator]

In this first issue, the Zombie heros talk about it some. Thor says he's still hungry and looks at the de-hulked Banner. Banner says something to the effect of "I may not be Hulk right now, but I'm still just as infected as you. I wouldn't taste any better than your own arm."

So in this storyline, it's about taste/sustenance. The insatiable drive to feed overwhelms them and makes them crave human flesh. (And as note earlier, after eating, they have a brief period of being able to feel guilty/have emotions, and can also think logically.)

Each zombie storyline is different from others. It's subtle, sometimes, but the differences sometimes make the story.
hmmm.
i understand what you are saying, at least in the context of this story.
i still don't see why zombies (in general) don't eat each other.
let's say a world had 0 living specimens left, only zombies. i'd imagine the zombies would eat each other, fight amongst themselves. if the primary drive is to consume, alive/dead wouldn't matter.

i think i am going to give this mini a look. is phillips doing all 5 issues?

[Taskmaster]

hmmm.
i understand what you are saying, at least in the context of this story.
i still don't see why zombies (in general) don't eat each other.
let's say a world had 0 living specimens left, only zombies. i'd imagine the zombies would eat each other, fight amongst themselves. if the primary drive is to consume, alive/dead wouldn't matter.

i think i am going to give this mini a look. is phillips doing all 5 issues?

I'm actually seen Zombie stories where weaker zombies will eat/kill other zombies if there are no living humans around, but most of the time the idea actually relies on why the zombies eat flesh at all, it's not nutriants to them, what it is, is a zombie's reproductive drive, by biting living beings they create more of themselves and reproduce, so if you look at it that way than it gives you a basic idea of why zombies usually don't eat each other

[Sean Phillips]

hmmm.
i think i am going to give this mini a look. is phillips doing all 5 issues?

Of course I am doing all five issues. Hope you like the book.

[streator]

Of course I am doing all five issues. Hope you like the book.
good to hear. i'll check out the title for sure then.

edit:
i understand the taste aspect more now too (was drinking last night). also, the reproduction aspect mentioned above fits in as well. i didn't know these zombies had some morals, either. sounds like a good read.

[thik_3rd]

man, my posts must release some kinda artist pheromones. first i get dave finch to start posting here when i draw him into a thread on the avengers board...now my thread attracts sean phillips for his first post too.

anyone have a request to see who i can get next?

[gorosaurus]

Of course I am doing all five issues. Hope you like the book.
Love the book; art and story. I'm suprised it took this long for a book with the name "Marvel Zombies" to be published. :)
It's nice seeing the plot thread from Ultimate FF being picked up and the story is funny and disturbing at the same time (like Shaun of the Dead).
The art is great and fits the mood of the book; I really like the depiction of Surfer- he looks so "pure" in contrast to the abominations the other Marvel heroes have become. I'm looking forward to see how this all plays out.

[SergioCamacho]

Man, I like zombies. I also happen to enjoy Marvel Comics. This is like the comic book version of REESE'S peanut butter cups as far as I’m concerned. Seriously, I had a lot of fun reading this book. I laughed aloud quite a few times. I also enjoyed the twist of the former heroes coming to their senses post-feast. C’mon even the name of the series is amusing. I really get the feeling Kirkman and Philips had fun doing this book. I’m looking forward to seeing what the rest of this series has to offer.

[The Adventurer]

I'm thinking Galactus is going to wipe this Zombie invested world off the Multiverse.


Or worse...ZOMBIE GALACTUS!!!

[Michael P]

man, my posts must release some kinda artist pheromones. first i get dave finch to start posting here when i draw him into a thread on the avengers board...now my thread attracts sean phillips for his first post too.

anyone have a request to see who i can get next?
Jack Kirby. That'd really be impressive.

[ultramandingo]

man, my posts must release some kinda artist pheromones. first i get dave finch to start posting here when i draw him into a thread on the avengers board...now my thread attracts sean phillips for his first post too.

anyone have a request to see who i can get next?


jack kirby( zombie version )

[Dennis K]

Okay, hands up, who picked up this one up and loved it? I know I sure did.

[Newspeak]

I liked, but I dont see how it can run for five issues?

And isnt silver surfers skin like metal or something?

[chicainery]

Picked it up for my girlfriend (she liked the cover) and was quite impressed. It wasn't mind-blowing, but it was an interesting read.

[malephoenix]

Discussion this-a-way, comrades:

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=96425&page=1&pp=15

[The Fury]

I picked up Zombies...and was pleasently surprised.

I'm looking forawrd to the rest of the mini.

[thik_3rd]

Jack Kirby. That'd really be impressive.
ok.

one thing i noticed about kirby's art was...


jack kirby( zombie version )

well not if the audience is going to be impatient.

Discussion this-a-way, comrades:

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=96425&page=1&pp=15
is there a reason you linked to this thread in this thread?

[Expletive Deleted]

is there a reason you linked to this thread in this thread?I merged another thread into this one.

[Sentry]

this mini has really surprised me, i know that kirkman is a good writer, but i thought this was fluid and funny with out being too over the top cheessy, just 'chedder cheessy'.

really good, art rocked too, i cant wait for the next.

[Will.S]

Marvel Zombies #1: Good, dirty, festering fun.

The Magneto devouring skeeved me out some due to such an amount of detail being shown during that moment but damn that was well drawn. I liked that we got to be behind Magneto's perspective as the last human on earth and the desperation that came with trying to avoid the zombies. Once he died, the perspective pretty much goes on them.

The angle with the semi-conscious thought is a cool take on them, otherwise the mini would end like right here. It seems like they're trying to stick around and find out what they're supposed to do by their nature if they don't have live food anymore. The Silver Surfer landing is a great cliffhanger, this guy can obliterate practically the whole group but I also wonder if he can be infected as well.

The art was gritty but really good and fitting of the tone. It's very post apocalyptic and the zombies themselves creep me out so Sean Philips did a great job here. The gore was pretty graphic for a Marvel book but with Zombies on the cover title that's pretty much a given.

Great logo and cover as well, it's very eye popping and appealing in design. The zombie homages make them even greater.

9/10

Marvel Team-Up #15: Kirkman is going hero killing crazy! It's a hero killing blowout! ALL HEROES MUST GO!

Heheh, but yeah this one's kind of a downer but similar to the stories where the unlikeliest of heroes have a chance. Seems more like a What If? without being a What If? if the heroes go back in time and stopped the time bandits.

It was cool to see Speedball and Darkhawk get some action here since I remember when the New Warriors and DH teamed up back then so they should know each other pretty well once they meet. Also nice to see Excelsior recognized as a team.

Other moments I liked:

- The time travelers not being able to get a full list of X-Men since they always change rosters.

- Luke Cage's skin melting.

- Chronok holding Cap's shield in a display of victorius arrogance.

- Spidey's neutralization.

- Gravity kicking ass alongside Luke Cage! Go Gravity!

[wingsofdamnation]

I liked, but I dont see how it can run for five issues?

And isnt silver surfers skin like metal or something?

wait was that supposed to be the ultimate silver surfer?

[Charles RB]

Or worse...ZOMBIE GALACTUS!!!

How would you tell the difference?

[SleepWalker]

I gotta say MTU has my heart right now.

Darkhawk in issue #15, with promise of seeing Sleepwalker and Terror, Inc in the coming issues??

Robert Kirkman has created (but is not the object of, mind you!) my wet dream. Kirkman rules!

[Sam]

How would you tell the difference?

Zombie Galactus would travel the cosmos, searching for other cosmic beings to eat.

PS. That would be awesome.

[The Adventurer]

I think we need to start speculating about something...

How about...Who are the 12 survivors on Astroid M in Marvel Zombies?

I'm thinking Iron Man and Juggernaut would be good guesses.

We havn't seen Iron Man yet right? Since the Zombie thing only seems to affect heroes with super powers and not ordinary humans, I figure Starks either already dead, or going to represent the last human on earth.

And Juggy's just the strong guy to tango with Zombie Hulk. Or maybe it'll be Colousus.

[Will.S]

I think we need to start speculating about something...

How about...Who are the 12 survivors on Astroid M in Marvel Zombies?

I'm thinking Iron Man and Juggernaut would be good guesses.

We havn't seen Iron Man yet right? Since the Zombie thing only seems to affect heroes with super powers and not ordinary humans, I figure Starks already dead, or going to represent the last human on earth.

And Juggy's just the strong guy to tango with Zombie Hulk. Maybe Colousus.
That's definitely a point of interest throughout the series for me. Kirkman has to mention them again at some point.

[Sam]

I'd put money on Dr. Doom being on the list of survivors.

Also, it occurs to me that you could have a whole group made up of the various heroes and villains who don't have any flesh to eat. The Inedibles, if you will. Vision, Machine Man, Ultron, Klaw, and so on.

[The Adventurer]

Hmm. Very possible.

Ultimatly I hope it's a good mixed group of heroes and villains, Mutants and Mutates, Humans and robots.

And not just the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants or something.

Not sure about Doom, he'd be the odvious choise of a survivor, but it's too cliche, and if there's one thing Kirkman generaly avoids is cliches.

[Jolly Mon]

Zombie Galactus would travel the cosmos, searching for other cosmic beings to eat.

PS. That would be awesome.

Plus he would be icky looking. :D

[Sentry]

i presume luke cage is still around somewhere (as unbreakable skin) also be good to see colossus, thing, etc.
maybe they could form a team, now that would be cool.

[The Fury]

i presume luke cage is still around somewhere (as unbreakable skin) also be good to see colossus, thing, etc.
maybe they could form a team, now that would be cool.
Yeah, any invulnerable people. Including Unus, nothing can touch him anyway.

[thik_3rd]

i presume luke cage is still around somewhere (as unbreakable skin) also be good to see colossus, thing, etc.
maybe they could form a team, now that would be cool.
cage is one of the zombies.

[Sentry]

cage is one of the zombies.

while since i read it sorry, and also WHAT! how? did they bite his tounge?

it would have made a great sceen him fighting them off and them all trying to bite himn and geting no where, till one of them got a luckey bite on his eye of something.

[The Adventurer]

Cage is unbreakable to a point. He's not Invulnerable. I bet Thor could bite through him, or the Hulk.

[Gaz]

Cage is unbreakable to a point. He's not Invulnerable. I bet Thor could bite through him, or the Hulk.
Where's Jessica, actually? She's super-powered too... :(

[The Adventurer]

Also of note, Kirkman has stated that the Marvel Zombie U doesn't line up exactly with the core MU. Apparently the Silver Surfer is unknown, and Captain American is called Col. America in the MZU. There will be other differences.

[Gaz]

Also of note, Kirkman has stated that the Marvel Zombie U doesn't line up exactly with the core MU. Apparently the Silver Surfer is unknown, and Captain American is called Col. America in the MZU. There will be other differences.
Like maybe Magneto was one of the good guys?
And how the hell do zombies, even super-zombies fight cosmic-space-Jesus?

[The Adventurer]

Magneto helping heroes was more then likly due to the fact the world had gone to hell and it wasn't worth fighting over any more. I'm still pretty sure he was the villain he always was.

Extrodinary times call for extrodinary messures and all that. I won't be suprised to see heros and villains working together to survive up on Astroid M.

[Sam]

And how the hell do zombies, even super-zombies fight cosmic-space-Jesus?

Well, living Thor has whupped the Silver Surfer's ass more than once. Zombie Thor might be able to pull it off, too.

[KAy]

Well, living Thor has whupped the Silver Surfer's ass more than once. Zombie Thor might be able to pull it off, too.

Yeah, except the fact that Zombie Thor durability is low enough for him to be pierced by casual arrow. Realistically, Surfer's attacks should cleave through these zombies like a razor-sharp blade through hot butter.

[The Adventurer]

Well as previews for upcoming Marvel Zombie issues show (http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=19) that appears to be quite the case.

Also it kills my "Iron Man is a survivor" hope.


Also, how does zombie Ghost Rider even work?!

[Gnarl]

Maybe he got infected in his human form, and it carried over, somhow?

A peculiarity -the Zombies does not eat each other. But the group includes trained humans without superpowers such as Shang-Chi and Black Widow.

Obviously, being infected means you are no longer appetizing. But infection cannot be instant. Magneto did not become inedible from the Wasps bite.

I don't know why some humans survived infection, and some didn't.

[The Adventurer]

Maybe they got attacked by one zombie and managed to get away long enough to turn?

Ultimatly logic isn't going to answer alot, because the whole point is to have zombiefied versions of all the popular characters.

[thik_3rd]

it's probably best if you don't think about it too hard.

[Young Avenger]

We havn't seen Iron Man yet right? Since the Zombie thing only seems to affect heroes with super powers and not ordinary humans, I figure Starks either already dead, or going to represent the last human on earth.

Hawkeye was a zombie and he doesn't have powers. Same with Daredevil. I don't think the virus is limited to superhumans and mutants.

[The Adventurer]

Daredevil most certainly has powers.

Hawkeye doesn't, you're right, blasting a hole right through my theory.

Which now poses the question, where are all the civilian Zombies?

[Young Avenger]

I'm guessing that the super powered zombies ate the civilians before the virus can infect them.

[malephoenix]

...even super-zombies fight cosmic-space-Jesus?

Heh. I totally misunderstood this post at first; my immediate reaction was "Jesus wasn't a zombie, though! He died and was resurrected three days later!"

:rolleyes:

[pesmerga316]

Thor beating Surfer in any way is just PIS, surfer should be able to curb stomp him if he doesn't hold back, unless we're talking Odin-Thor

[Will.S]

Thor beating Surfer in any way is just PIS, surfer should be able to curb stomp him if he doesn't hold back, unless we're talking Odin-Thor
Heh, that my friends is a pure rumbles post through and through.

[Doom Hammer]

Daredevil most certainly has powers.

Hawkeye doesn't, you're right, blasting a hole right through my theory.

Which now poses the question, where are all the civilian Zombies?

Daredevil has abilities that any individual can tap into, given sufficient motivations and training. Stick implied as much in his training of Matt, right?

[The Adventurer]

Daredevil was grant super powers due to radioactive chemicals. Ordinary humans can not develop a Radar Sense no matter how blind they are.

It's like Cap, he may be consitered the peak of human potencial, but because he got there due to a drug he is therefore Super-Human.

[Doom Hammer]

Daredevil was grant super powers due to radioactive chemicals. Ordinary humans can not develop a Radar Sense no matter how blind they are.

It's like Cap, he may be consitered the peak of human potencial, but because he got there due to a drug he is therefore Super-Human.

Okay dude, you're gonna go make me bust out the Frank Miller issues where Stick explains it...

Okay, here we are. I quote:

"Think yer something special, don't ya? Think yer the only guy with built-in radar? Punk, we all got radar. It's a sense, just like smellin' or hearin'. Men have let it decay cuz they got eyes. You got lucky -- yours was mutated. You got a free ride."

So although he got the abilities through unnatural means, the abilities are no different than those attainable by anyone (in the Marvel Universe). Super-powers? Not really.

[The Adventurer]

Okay dude, you're gonna go make me bust out the Frank Miller issues where Stick explains it...

Okay, here we are. I quote:

"Think yer something special, don't ya? Think yer the only guy with built-in radar? Punk, we all got radar. It's a sense, just like smellin' or hearin'. Men have let it decay cuz they got eyes. You got lucky -- yours was mutated. You got a free ride."

So although he got the abilities through unnatural means, the abilities are no different than those attainable by anyone (in the Marvel Universe). Super-powers? Not really.

If it's not real in the real world, it's a super power. And if he got it from radioactive means, it's definitly a mutations.

Regardless of what Stick said, something like that could be retconed at any second, or Stick was just being sharp with Matt, exagerating a bit. DD's radar sense is very close to actual sight, no one could develop something like that, even in a fictional universe, without a superhuman boost.