What happened to StoneGold?

[Boldido]

I normally don't ask a bunch of questions when posters get banned. I understand we lost Rosie and Converge last night and I have a pretty good idea why. This morning, however, I noticed that StoneGold has been "banned" and it depresses me to no end.

Does anyone know what happened? More importantly, is this permanent or temporary? I'm not expecting anyone to have to defend their decision, but when a poster with his history turns up banned, all the mods know that questions are going to be coming down the pike.

[west3man]

I normally don't ask a bunch of questions when posters get banned. I understand we lost Rosie and Converge last night and I have a pretty good idea why. This morning, however, I noticed that StoneGold has been "banned" and it depresses me to no end.

Does anyone know what happened? More importantly, is this permanent or temporary? I'm not expecting anyone to have to defend their decision, but when a poster with his history turns up banned, all the mods know that questions are going to be coming down the pike.
Sometimes there's a little info. on the person's public profile. Not so in this case, apparently.

[Super Sonic]

Are we sure he was banned and didn't just write "BANNED" as his custom title?

[Spackling Compound]

I normally don't ask a bunch of questions when posters get banned. I understand we lost Rosie and Converge last night and I have a pretty good idea why. This morning, however, I noticed that StoneGold has been "banned" and it depresses me to no end.

Does anyone know what happened? More importantly, is this permanent or temporary? I'm not expecting anyone to have to defend their decision, but when a poster with his history turns up banned, all the mods know that questions are going to be coming down the pike.

We "lost" Converge? One man's loss....

[Ed Cunard]

Isn't the line "any man's banning diminishes me?"

No?

Screw you, Bartlett. You lied to me again. Donne was totally talking about forums.

Oh, no, wait. That part was in crayon. I was this close to being fooled.

[west3man]

Are we sure he was banned and didn't just write "BANNED" as his custom title?
I think that's against board rules. I think I remember that from when I first signed up.

That was before the last reboot, though. Again, I *think*.

[Lester C.]

I don’t know what going on about those guys but it’s against the rules talking about someone who has been banned because they can’t appear and defend themselves. Anyway most bans are temporary so it’s a good chance we will see those guys again.

[Boldido]

I don’t know what going on about those guys but it’s against the rules talking about someone who has been banned because they can’t appear and defend themselves. Anyway most bans are temporary so it’s a good chance we will see those guys again.

Its not against the rules to ask what has happened to a poster with over 12,000 posts. I don't subscribe to the moderators owe us all the sordid details school, but you just don't ban a poster like StoneGold without a freaking peep.

If simply asking warrants me being banned, then so be it, I don't want to hang around here if that is the road this board is going down. I truly don't think it is, however, and I don't believe I am in any such danger. I just want to know what happened to one of my favorite posters and whether I'll see him again.

[Lester C.]

Its not against the rules to ask what has happened to a poster with over 12,000 posts. I don't subscribe to the moderators owe us all the sordid details school, but you just don't ban a poster like StoneGold without a freaking peep.

If simply asking warrants me being banned, then so be it, I don't want to hang around here if that is the road this board is going down. I truly don't think it is, however, and I don't believe I am in any such danger. I just want to know what happened to one of my favorite posters and whether I'll see him again.

I too have my favorite members, and all of you know who you are, so I have empathy for your situation. This situation is very reminiscent of Jeffery Kramer. People were justifiably getting worked up that such a pillar of the community had been banned but when it was all said and done he was only gone for a week. I think a pm to a mod rather than bringing up this issue on a public forum like this is a much better way to go to find the answer you seek.

[Tom]

It was a 24-hour ban. Chill pills, people.

[Shades0077]

Whenever I see someone has been banned, I always look at their previous few posts, trying to figure out why. I couldn't see anything wrong with what StoneGold has been posting, so I guess whatever he did for his banning was deleted. This doesn't really help much.

I wonder what happened to him too, though.

[Dreadstar]

I always assume that if it's the first time I've seen the word "BANNED" under their name, then it's a temp. Obviously, there are those who can't or won't accept a temp and make it permanent immediately. I figure if they don't come back within the week, it turned permanent, either in fact or in essence.

[Lester C.]

It was a 24-hour ban. Chill pills, people.

See what did I tell you guys. :p

[west3man]

See what did I tell you guys.
You forgot to stick out your tongue.

[Boldido]

It was a 24-hour ban. Chill pills, people.

Thanks Tom.

Have you guys ever thought of putting something like T.BANNED to denote a temporary ban in this type of situation? Or do the powers that be like to use the concern as crowd control? I'm not being flip with that question, I had a judge once who used to chew attorney's new assholes when their clients were acting up just so the next ones wouldn't piss him off.

[JeffreyWKramer]

I normally don't ask a bunch of questions when posters get banned. I understand we lost Rosie and Converge last night and I have a pretty good idea why.
I don't know that I consider either of those two a loss, but it does seem there have been a hell of a lot of bans of late, and sometimes for rather iffy reasons.

At least SG's is only a very temporary one.

[ocelotrevs]

in before the thread gets locked.

when I did it no one cared...

Oh the "BANNED" thing, but who would care.

[Boldido]

in before the thread gets locked.

when I did it no one cared...

When you did what?

[Pepsigirl]

When you did what?

Put BANNED as his custom title?

[traxler]

Put BANNED as his custom title?
I'm blaming YOU.

[west3man]

...but it does seem there have been a hell of a lot of bans of late, and sometimes for rather iffy reasons.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=94001

Also of note: "And please note that this IS your warning. You will not get a 'Stop that OR I will ban you,' you will just get banned."

in before the thread gets locked.

when I did it no one cared...

Oh the "BANNED" thing, but who would care.
Maybe they just didn't notice that yours was fake before you changed it back.

When you did what?
I think O's talking about putting "BANNED" in the lil caption under one's name.

[Tom]

Thanks Tom.

Have you guys ever thought of putting something like T.BANNED to denote a temporary ban in this type of situation? Or do the powers that be like to use the concern as crowd control? I'm not being flip with that question, I had a judge once who used to chew attorney's new assholes when their clients were acting up just so the next ones wouldn't piss him off.
Lately, the supermods have gotten into the habit of putting a brief message in the poster's signature signaling that it's a temp ban. It wasn't done in StoneGold's case, but these things aren't hard and fast rules and the supermod in question either forgot to do so or he's not in the habit of doing so. It's always the first thing to check and if they don't display a signature in their posts, it'll still show up when you click on their profile.

As for putting "BANNED" in your user title: don't do that. We don't like it when you do that.

[west3man]

It's always the first thing to check and if they don't display a signature in their posts, it'll still show up when you click on their profile.
I didn't see it in SG's case, but maybe it's been updated since then (or I just missed it).

In any case, thanks for the info.

[Spackling Compound]

http://www.legiononline.net/volume1/thumbnails/adv247Small.jpg
I'm sure the mods and supermods have a complex and complete process of discerning bans.

[CaptMagellan]

As for putting "BANNED" in your user title: don't do that. We don't like it when you do that.

That's a BANNER joke innit? David Banner, Don't make me angry, you wouldn't like me when I'm angry?

Never mind. I need more coffee... and a mime.... and a power drill.

[Spackling Compound]

That's a BANNER joke innit? David Banner, Don't make me angry, you wouldn't like me when I'm angry?

Never mind. I need more coffee... and a mime.... and a power drill.
http://www.seattleweekly.com/graphics/features/0545/051109_cd_banner.jpg
Actually, that anger is a front. He's sort a nice guy.

[Arrjay]

I need more coffee... and a mime.... and a power drill.

I can provide two of the three things you require.

[Tom]

http://www.legiononline.net/volume1/thumbnails/adv247Small.jpg
I'm sure the mods and supermods have a complex and complete process of discerning bans.
Greg picked the short straw and now he has to wear the bubble helmet.

[Spackling Compound]

Greg picked the short straw and now he has to wear the bubble helmet.
I hear it has nitrous in it :D

[ocelotrevs]

Maybe they just didn't notice that yours was fake before you changed it back.

I had it for like a week, but probably so. I'm not like a mad mental majorly known poster. In years to come there won't be stories of the legend of ocelotrevs


I think O's talking about putting "BANNED" in the lil caption under one's name.

Yeah, that was it.


As for putting "BANNED" in your user title: don't do that. We don't like it when you do that.
Sounds like a threat. :evilsmile :D

[west3man]

That's a BANNER joke innit? David Banner, Don't make me angry, you wouldn't like me when I'm angry?

Never mind. I need more coffee... and a mime.... and a power drill.
Since you mention it, the guy who delivered that line passed away.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20051206/D8EAGHCO7.html

'Hulk' Actor Jack Colvin Dies at 71

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Actor Jack Colvin, best known for his role as tabloid reporter Jack McGee in the 1970s television series "The Incredible Hulk," has died. He was 71.

[Tom]

Sounds like a threat.It can result in a temp ban, yes.

[CaptMagellan]

I can provide two of the three things you require.
The Mime and the power drill right? ;)

[CaptMagellan]

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Actor Jack Colvin, best known for his role as tabloid reporter Jack McGee in the 1970s television series "The Incredible Hulk," has died. He was 71.

I'm gonna buy a Weekly World News and raise a cup of joe in his honor.

"Hmm... Bat Boy seen fighting with large green 'Hulk' over a bowl of Trix cereal..."

[west3man]

I'm gonna buy a Weekly World News and raise a cup of joe in his honor.

"Hmm... Bat Boy seen fighting with large green 'Hulk' over a bowl of Trix cereal..."
Ha! It took me a second, but I never said I wasn't slow. :p

[ocelotrevs]

It can result in a temp ban, yes.
I was gonna go off on a "Ohhh, I'm scared" in a sarcastic way. But that's dumb, and why tempt the ban?
I like this site.

[west3man]

I was gonna go off on a "Ohhh, I'm scared" in a sarcastic way. But that's dumb, and why tempt the ban?
I like this site.
I was wondering why you even made the "that sounds like a threat" comment, to begin with. I'm glad you backed down, since no one appeared to be jumping on you.

[ocelotrevs]

I was wondering why you even made the "that sounds like a threat" comment, to begin with. I'm glad you backed down, since no one appeared to be jumping on you.

In truth, I dunno either. I'm gonna add a smiley to that to make it not look so tosserish.

[Shades0077]

It can result in a temp ban, yes.
So putting "BANNED" as your custom user title would result in a temp ban, in which case your custom user title would remain as "BANNED".

That's kinda funny.

[Dennis K]

Its not against the rules to ask what has happened to a poster with over 12,000 posts. I don't subscribe to the moderators owe us all the sordid details school, but you just don't ban a poster like StoneGold without a freaking peep.


What does a person's post count have to do with anything? Actually, the moderators can ban anybody they like, they get to make the rules, it's their sandbox after all.

[west3man]

What does a person's post count have to do with anything? Actually, the moderators can ban anybody they like, they get to make the rules, it's their sandbox after all.
I agree and I thought something similar when he first posted that, but I'm thinking he meant that one shouldn't EXPECT to ban such a poster without a peep from "the gallery," so to speak. I agree with that, too.

The reasons range from simple curiosity to nosiness to practicality.

[Dennis K]

I agree and I thought something similar when he first posted that, but I'm thinking he meant that one shouldn't EXPECT to ban such a poster without a peep from "the gallery," so to speak. I agree with that, too.

The reasons range from simple curiosity to nosiness to practicality.

I can see that, but when I first read Boldido's post, especially the part about "not banning a poster like StoneGold without a peep" it reads more like the peep should be coming from the Mod's, not other posters.

[outlander78]

Post-count implies that someone has been here a long time, or participated a great deal, or both.

If I walk away or am banned from this site, few would notice (I don't post much, and post little of real value - mostly "me too's" and "hey, have you read/seen this" threads).

However, if TCJohnson, Ian Boothby or Kurt Busiek were to suddenly fall silent, people would notice, wonder why and then question the "banned" status.

"Post-count" is just easier to post than "esteemed member", I imagine.

[Boldido]

I agree and I thought something similar when he first posted that, but I'm thinking he meant that one shouldn't EXPECT to ban such a poster without a peep from "the gallery," so to speak. I agree with that, too.

The reasons range from simple curiosity to nosiness to practicality.

BINGO!!! I agree that moderators can ban whomever they want for whatever they want regardless of that poster's longevity or post count. Keep in mind, however that although its their sandbox, if no one wants to play in it, its just a box with sand in it rather than something unique and fun. If someone who has been around forever is gone all of a sudden, I also think its unreasonable to expect that noone would ask where they went. Our mods aren't unreasonable and answered that concern pretty quickly. What I have noticed is that they want to avoid the details behind the banning and I think I have respected that concern. The mods shouldn't have to defend a banning or discuss the sordid details, but its only right they address it.

I don't think it is unreasonable to suggest, however, that someone who has been around a long time and has been a valuable member of the community should get more slack than someone who is brand new and starts shit from the get go. I think that's what happened when StoneGold got a 24hr ban vs. a permanent ban. That is the way the mods around here have handled things and for the most part, I find the mods on the boards I frequent to be pretty fair and reasonable. (Way to go Brian, Gail and Greg!!!)

I don't want to turn this into a "the mods are bad" thread, because it couldn't be further from the truth. If that's the impression I gave then I am sorry. I never intended anyone to draw such an inference. I think the mods have handled this really well.

[Boldido]

I can see that, but when I first read Boldido's post, especially the part about "not banning a poster like StoneGold without a peep" it reads more like the peep should be coming from the Mod's, not other posters.

I'm not asking what they are legally obligated to do, but if a longtime poster was banned tomorrow, don't you think the mods should at least tell you whether its a permanent or temp ban?

[TCJohnson]

However, if TCJohnson...were to suddenly fall silent, people would notice, wonder why and then question the "banned" status.


Actually people would notice, cheer, party and then not look a gift horse in the mouth.

[outlander78]

I doubt that, TC.

Cheer up, man!

:D

[K'Nort]

I'm not asking what they are legally obligated to do, but if a longtime poster was banned tomorrow, don't you think the mods should at least tell you whether its a permanent or temp ban?

There's probably mod etiquette (it certainly seems reasonable) that it's left to the mod who actually made the decision rather than someone else speaking for them. So then time zones and stuff enter into it.

[Arrjay]

The Mime and the power drill right? ;)

You got it.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Its my 1st full day back and I was shocked to read that he was banned as well. But it being a 24 hour ban I expect Stonegold back. Guys part of the ROCK that is CBR. ;)

[OzBat!]

I don't want to turn this into a "the mods are bad" thread, because it couldn't be further from the truth.Mods are bad. They're genetically bred for exponentially increasing levels of badness, "born bad", bad to the bone, bad boys bad boys etceterah etceterah blah blah blah. Don't mess with your mods. "Fear of Mod" will no longer be a philosophical consideration! It's part of an ongoing campaign to bring a little bit of reality to internet posters surreal electronic lives; badass mods going all experiential on some poor unsuspecting posters' ass.

You have been warned!

[Expletive Deleted]

Mods are bad. They're genetically bred for exponentially increasing levels of badness, "born bad", bad to the bone, bad boys bad boys etceterah etceterah blah blah blah. Don't mess with your mods. "Fear of Mod" will no longer be a philosophical consideration!It's true. I push little old ladies into traffic, Papergirl doesn't rewind videos before she returns them, Brian eats puppies, and Greg is behind boy bands becoming popular.

[Corrina]

Whenever I see someone has been banned, I always look at their previous few posts, trying to figure out why. I couldn't see anything wrong with what StoneGold has been posting, so I guess whatever he did for his banning was deleted. This doesn't really help much.



A lot of posts tend to disappear over on the Comm board. I understand the reason for it, but it can be confusing at times.

[outlander78]

It's true. I push little old ladies into traffic, Papergirl doesn't rewind videos before she returns them, Brian eats puppies, and Greg is behind boy bands becoming popular.

I can forgive all of that, except for the boy bands. Couldn't you guys ban them!?

[JeffreyWKramer]

Greg picked the short straw and now he has to wear the bubble helmet.


I think all Mods should be required to wear Grell-era Legion uniforms.

Solaris would look great in a couple of those. Greg, I'm not so sure.

[Night Swordsman]

Actually people would notice, cheer, party and then not look a gift horse in the mouth.
Actually i would miss you TCJ.

We still miss No-One in COV. Come back and visit us,k?
Also,i feel you were right on the Newsarama board. I thought Matt was being snippy and not very accurate.

My two cents.

[outlander78]

What happened at newsarama?

[Justin D.]

It's true. I push little old ladies into traffic, Papergirl doesn't rewind videos before she returns them, Brian eats puppies, and Greg is behind boy bands becoming popular.

I was going to say I eat babies, but that's nothing compared to what Greg does.

[Boldido]

I was going to say I eat babies, but that's nothing compared to what Greg does.

Hell, you could be doing the world a favor. What if one of the babies you eat was destined to grow up into the next Nick Carter? Then again, what if you eat a baby who was destined to grow up and assasinate N'Synch. Its so confusing.

[Crowley]

I've never had a problem with any of the mods or admins here... I think most of the mods are fair pragmatists and not ruling via ego and holding onto grudges unlike on some other boards.

I think it's pretty simple how to not get banned... act with civility and if warned stop whatever you were doing.

[Cam63]

What if you're banned while you're in the dunny ?

That could get painful and awkward.

[OzBat!]

I've never had a problem with any of the mods or admins here... I think most of the mods are fair pragmatists and not ruling via ego and holding onto grudges unlike on some other boards.

I think it's pretty simple how to not get banned... act with civility and if warned stop whatever you were doing.


bans Crowley for being reasonable and even-handed, and stuff.

[Dennis K]

I'm not asking what they are legally obligated to do, but if a longtime poster was banned tomorrow, don't you think the mods should at least tell you whether its a permanent or temp ban?


No, I don't.

[west3man]

No, I don't.
Would you mind expounding a bit?

If you view this place as a community, I'd think that we're expected to bond with each other, to some degree. I'd be curious about why you think a community shouldn't be informed when something "happens to" one of its members.

I'm not talking about a legal obligation here, just a courtesy that reflects the quality of the relationships in this community.


If someone's a negative influence (like a true "troll"), it'd be nice to know if we can expect that person to return, too. Obviously, we could wait a day or a week or a month, but if there are other, more convenient options, why not take advantage of them?

[CaptMagellan]

If you view this place as a community, I'd think that we're expected to bond with each other, to some degree. I'd be curious about why you think a community shouldn't informed when something "happens to" one of its members.

I'm not talking about a legal obligation here, just a courtesy that reflects the quality of the relationships in this community.


Well said sir! May I buy you a malted at the local CBR diner? ;)

(oohh... I just got the image of CBR being a twisted version of Mayberry... Maybe Gail is Aunt Bea!)
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(Just kidding Gail! Put away the flamethrower!)

[JeffreyWKramer]

If you view this place as a community, I'd think that we're expected to bond with each other, to some degree. I'd be curious about why you think a community shouldn't informed when something "happens to" one of its members.

I'm not talking about a legal obligation here, just a courtesy that reflects the quality of the relationships in this community.

Matt and some other mods have made it amply clear that they don't think mods owe the CBR community at large any explanation for their actions and behavior, be it banning or otherwise. Asking for such more often than not gets threads closed.

Not a policy I favor, certainly, but it is what it is.

[Boldido]

Would you mind expounding a bit?

If you view this place as a community, I'd think that we're expected to bond with each other, to some degree. I'd be curious about why you think a community shouldn't be informed when something "happens to" one of its members.

I'm not talking about a legal obligation here, just a courtesy that reflects the quality of the relationships in this community.


If someone's a negative influence (like a true "troll"), it'd be nice to know if we can expect that person to return, too. Obviously, we could wait a day or a week or a month, but if there are other, more convenient options, why not take advantage of them?

Very well said West. I can see the policies behind not wanting to debate a banning or even for giving reasons for why someone was banned as those tend to invite a the aforementioned debate. I do think as you intimated, however, that the mods have a moral obligation to respect the members of the community that they moderate. It seems that most if not all share that same belief as it is reflected in their actions.

Big props go out to Cronin for anwering my PMs about StoneGold and to Tom who put out the fire before it really started.

[Messchird]

I'm pleased to report that StoneGold is back and bopping. He've posted in my topic.
So no problem!

[Gail Simone]

So silly.

Yipes.

Gail

[CaptMagellan]

So silly.

Yipes.

Gail

Oh Aunt Bea, you know we're just havin' a bit a fun around the fishin' hole. Don't fret none, we'll make sure Opee gets to Floyd's in time for that trim.

:p

[Dr. Hfuhruhurr]

Oh Aunt Bea, you know we're just havin' a bit a fun around the fishin' hole. Don't fret none, we'll make sure Opee gets to Floyd's in time for that trim.

:p

Didn't you hear? Floyd just got banned.

[CaptMagellan]

Didn't you hear? Floyd just got banned.

I TOLD him to stop polishing his damn barber pole while arguing politics!

[Calamas]

Does that mean he has to share a cell with Otis?

[CaptMagellan]

Does that mean he has to share a cell with Otis?
Now we know who J-Bolt REALLY is.