Fur is Murder

[SoulOnIce]

Can we all agree on that?

[MacQuarrie]

When PETA stops killing animals, I'll worry about what they think.

http://www.petakillsanimals.com

[Charles RB]

Can we all agree on that?

No.

It is tacky and stupid though. At least eat the animal if you're going to raise it and flay it.

[Cam63]

But, it feels soooooooo nice !

[Slam_Bradley]

No, we can't.

[MacQuarrie]

And no, we can't agree on that. Murder is the wilfull and unjustified killing of a human being. Killing in self-defense is not murder, killing in wartime is not murder, and killing non-humans is not murder. Yes, I'm speciesist.

Not human = not murder.

It may be cruel, wasteful, vain, vulgar, immoral and a thousand other things. But it ain't murder. Using a word improperly for hyperbolic or dramatic effect trivializes the word and insults those impacted by it. Calling a stern teacher a nazi trivializes the holocaust, and calling fur murder trivializes murder.

I will grant you that the "fur is dead" bumper sticker is valid, but not this one.

[Converge]

I don't think that fur is murder.

In fact, I quite like fur.

[Jared_Humpherys]

Murder implies malice. And frankly, I harbor no malice to anything furred. Unless, of course, they piss on the carpet. Then I'll be able to make someone a nice loofa, and that'd be murder.

That said, I don't wear fur. Does leather count(jackets, people, jackets!)?

[Lester C.]

Soul I think you are a good guy who lives by his principles but you are so far off base it isn’t even funny. A Murder brings about an unlawful death of human being which is not to be confused with a killer that is sanctioned to take human life in specific instances like a police officer defending himself or a solder killing the enemy.

[Ferrik]

I don't wear fur either. Possibly because I can't afford it. Possibly because it costs too much to maintain when fake stuff does just as well. However I do own several leather jackets and a great coat. I've also probably eaten enough beef in my life to account for the cows used in those leather jackets, so I don't feel bad in the least.

Honestly, I live in a *very* eco-friendly area, and I still don't understand the whole militant vegi thing.

[Shades0077]

"Burns: Some men hunt for sport,
Others hunt for food,
The only thing I'm hunting for,
Is an outfit that looks good...

See my vest, see my vest,
Made from real gorilla chest,
Feel this sweater, there's no better,
Than authentic Irish setter.

See this hat, 'twas my cat,
My evening wear - vampire bat,
These white slippers are albino
African endangered rhino.

Grizzly bear underwear,
Turtles' necks, I've got my share,
Beret of poodle, on my noodle
It shall rest,

Try my red robin suit,
It comes one breast or two,
See my vest, see my vest,
See my vest.

Like my loafers? Former gophers -
It was that or skin my chauffeurs,
But a greyhound fur tuxedo
Would be best,

So let's prepare these dogs,

Mrs. Potts: Kill two for matching clogs,

Burns: See my vest, see my vest,
Oh please, won't you see my vest"

-Mr. Burns

[cactusmaac]

How come nobody ever gets pissy about the use of leather?

Especially to a Hell's Angel?

[Tadhg]

How come nobody ever gets pissy about the use of leather?

Oh they do. I had someone slash my leather jacket up a few years ago.

Especially to a Hell's Angel?

If only I were a Hell's Angel.

[Thnikkaman]

I wouldn't say murder. Just kinda gross, considering you're basically wearing a bunch of dead weasels.

[Karl J. Barnes]

How come nobody ever gets pissy about the use of leather?

Especially to a Hell's Angel?

I take it that the second question is rhetorical.

[CaptMagellan]

Using a word improperly for hyperbolic or dramatic effect trivializes the word and insults those impacted by it. Calling a stern teacher a nazi trivializes the holocaust, and calling fur murder trivializes murder.


You're my hero for the week.

[taintedlunch]

Can we all agree on that?

I'm wearing very nice leather shoes, belt, and jacket. Is that okay?

[taintedlunch]

I don't understand the thinking here. If you're anti-fur, does that also mean that you don't swat flies in your house, or not call the exterminator if you suspect termites? Where is the line drawn? Or does this only apply to animals which are cute? Do plants count? They're alive, too.

Brocoli with cheese = murder

Adhesive fly strips = murder

[Cam63]

I once killed a giant squid, but it was either it's life or mine.

Yarrrrh !

[Lester C.]

I wouldn't say murder. Just kinda gross, considering you're basically wearing a bunch of dead weasels.
Did someone get to SK 716's ferret?

[howyadoin]

How come nobody ever gets pissy about the use of leather?

Especially to a Hell's Angel?Because they don't have the balls.

[Cam63]

That'd be one form of suicide I wouldn't like.

[SoulOnIce]

OK OK OK...

It's a cruel, inhumane, unnecessary, selfish, abominable, horrific, awful practice.

But according to the textbook definition it ain't murder...

Happy?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/SoulOnIce/TS190-250.jpg

[SoulOnIce]

I don't understand the thinking here. If you're anti-fur, does that also mean that you don't swat flies in your house, or not call the exterminator if you suspect termites? Where is the line drawn? Or does this only apply to animals which are cute? Do plants count? They're alive, too.

Brocoli with cheese = murder

Adhesive fly strips = murder

I don't get your thinking. You can't be anti-fur if you swat flies?

[SoulOnIce]

Because they don't have the balls.

I eat Hell's Angels for breakfast and then have Bloods and Crips for lunch.

[Joe Rice]

OK OK OK...

It's a cruel, inhumane, unnecessary, selfish, abominable, horrific, awful practice.

But according to the textbook definition it ain't murder...

Happy?



Don't forget "gauche."

[SoulOnIce]

How come nobody ever gets pissy about the use of leather?

Especially to a Hell's Angel?

Leather sucks too.

[Cam63]

Edited.
.......

[Cam63]

I eat Hell's Angels for breakfast and then have Bloods and Crips for lunch.

You must be The Punisher then.

[SoulOnIce]

Don't forget "gauche."

Oh god yes!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/SoulOnIce/fur.jpg

[SoulOnIce]

Watch this video...ball your eyes out....and tell me if you are ever going to buy anything with fur again...

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=china_dog_cat_fur_boards2

[MacQuarrie]

Now you're talking. I agree with your sentiment in the more recent posats, with one exception.

Inuits. Commonly called eskimos. Some of them live in such extreme cold and under such primitive conditions that without fur they would die. So if you're an exkimo, you can wear fur.

Everybody else, you're being awful.

[Joe Rice]

Now you're talking. I agree with your sentiment in the more recent posats, with one exception.

Inuits. Commonly called eskimos. Some of them live in such extreme cold and under such primitive conditions that without fur they would die. So if you're an exkimo, you can wear fur.

Everybody else, you're being awful.

Also acceptable fur-wearers: ape-men or other folks raised by animals. Otherwise your peepee might get hit by a branch.

[Converge]

Transvestites should also get a free pass.

[Boldido]

Watch this video...ball your eyes out....and tell me if you are ever going to buy anything with fur again...

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=china_dog_cat_fur_boards2

Watch this video...laugh your ass off...and tell me if you will ever pick on Charlie Brown again...

http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2668909

[Jeff Brady]

Nah, Trannies tend to be more sensitive and go for the fake stuff.

[Converge]

Pimps should get a pass.

[SoulOnIce]

Pimps should get a pass.

Considering pimps are some of the lowest forms of life; I agree.

[Converge]

http://www.805hiphop.com/images/DonMagicJuan/donjuan.jpg

Gimme some sugah, baby.

Alright.

[Screwtape]

Watch this video...ball your eyes out....and tell me if you are ever going to buy anything with fur again...

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=china_dog_cat_fur_boards2Fuck. I couldn't even finish that. I love cats.

There were women with fur coats on the subway today and I wanted to accidentally spill hot chocolate all over them.

[Slam_Bradley]

Watch this video...ball your eyes out....and tell me if you are ever going to buy anything with fur again...

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=china_dog_cat_fur_boards2


I really wasn't planning on wearing fur to begin with. I'm more of a leather and wool kind of guy.

I suppose it makes me a bad person that I didn't bawl my eyes out.

[Forsaken_One]

Am I the only one who really gets turned off by people who constantly reference PETA?

[Screwtape]

Am I the only one who really gets turned off by people who constantly reference PETA?No, you're not. They're a bunch of poseurs. But I like animals and think people who wear fur suck (I think leather is different, since we actually eat the cows).

And Slam, the phrase is BALL your eyes out. Find a suitable partner and get crackin'.

[Tridge]

In my opinion, human v. animal rights is as much a prejudice as black v. white, or the Nazis v. the Jews.
How can you justify torturing and then killing a sentient being for something as trivial as fashion, or for the flavor of it's flesh (those with the luxury to choose, of course.)?

[Screwtape]

Er... wait - dogs and cats = Jews and black people?

Also, animals AREN'T sentient beings. Torturing ANYTHING is wrong, IMHO, but a kid using a magnifying glass on an anthill isn't the same thing as a gas chamber.

[Jeff Brady]

Also, animals AREN'T sentient beings.

Ahem:

sentient

Having a faculty, or faculties, of sensation and perception. Specif.

<physiology> Especially sensitive; as, the sentient extremities of nerves, which terminate in the various organs or tissues.

Origin: L. Sentiens, -entis, p. Pr. Of sentire to discern or perceive by the senses. See Sense.

Source: Websters Dictionary

(01 Mar 1998)

[Slam_Bradley]

In my opinion, human v. animal rights is as much a prejudice as black v. white, or the Nazis v. the Jews.
How can you justify torturing and then killing a sentient being for something as trivial as fashion, or for the flavor of it's flesh (those with the luxury to choose, of course.)?


Oh yeah. That's what this thread needed.

[El Santo]

I don't get your thinking. You can't be anti-fur if you swat flies?

Well you have to admit, it does seem a bit hypocritical. If minks have a right to live, why not flies and mosquitos?

[El Santo]

I eat Hell's Angels for breakfast and then have Bloods and Crips for lunch.

Wow. Not just a self-righteous prick, but an Internet "tough guy" too. And to think you were giving me crap for posturing.

[Jeff Brady]

Wow. Not just a self-righteous prick, but an Internet "tough guy" too. And to think you were giving me crap for posturing.

I'm pretty sure that was a joke.

[El Santo]

I'm pretty sure that was a joke.

If there wasn't a smiley, it wasn't a joke, right? That's what you and your "gang" were harassing me about with my throwaway comment about kicking your ass if you told me I was a farm animal.

[Jeff Brady]

SOI's line is absurd; especially if he eats them. He'd not only not be a vegetarian, he'd be a cannibal. Your line was not absurd.

[Forsaken_One]

Oh yeah. That's what this thread needed.
Seriously, do we really need two of these threads? Pretty soon this'll just be page after page of people I've ignored. :p

[El Santo]

SOI's line is absurd; especially if he eats them. He'd not only not be a vegetarian, he'd be a cannibal. Your line was not absurd.

"eats [someone] for breakfast" is not a reference to actually consuming them, and you know it. It is a threat of physical violence and harm. He is claiming that he can pose a credible physical threat to gang members, which is absolutely ridiculous. Making actual threats against people on the Internet is stupid. Claiming to be a badass on a forum is the height of pathetic. Plus, SOI isn't just Canadian, he's a vegan. There's no way in hell he's winning a fight against Woody Allen, let alone an actual gang member. :rolleyes:

[howyadoin]

I eat Hell's Angels for breakfast and then have Bloods and Crips for lunch.I thought meat was murder. Then again, if you support ecoterrorism, I guess murdering humans is okay.

[Lima Delta]

Seriously, do we really need two of these threads? Pretty soon this'll just be page after page of people I've ignored. :p

If we can concentrate them into two threads, that's fine with me. :P

[El Santo]

SOI's line is absurd; especially if he eats them. He'd not only not be a vegetarian, he'd be a cannibal. Your line was not absurd.

I'd also like to point out that my line *was* absurd, at least in the context of being a threat. After all, I said *if* you had called me a barnyard animal *in person*, I would kick your ass.

1. We live on opposite sides of America. That is a *lot* of space between us. What's the chance of us even being in the same state anytime soon, let alone the same city?

2. I have no way of identifying you in real life, and vice versa. Assuming Jeff Brady is your real name, you're one of like 10,000.

3. I never said anything about coming to look for you, so we would have to somehow encounter one another at random, despite having about 8 hours worth of AIR TRAVEL between us, and then happen to have a conversation that would involve you calling me a barnyard animal. If that isn't absurd, what is?

[Jeff Brady]

2. I have no way of identifying you in real life, and vice versa. Assuming Jeff Brady is your real name, you're one of like 10,000.

Hi, My name's Jeff, I have a blog in my signature that uses my full name, neighborhood location, and a photograph. The blog also has links to my friends sites which have all sorts of contact info. I've actually met other people from CBR, who can verify all of this, including Moderator Brian Cronin (search any CBRNY threads in the Community Forum). I'm as transparent as glass.

No, I didn't take your threat too seriously, and said so in the other thread. But you have an opportunity to make it serious. Which is why you shouldn't do it. Do you not remember being chastized about it?

[El Santo]

Hello Jeff. I've never read your blog, have no interest in stalking anyone, and did not word my original statement in a manner I thought had any chance of being taken seriously. Furthermore, the statement itself never referenced coming to look for anyone; it assumed a social meeting wherein YOU were the initiator of hostilities, not I.

And being "chastized" by a bunch of hypocrites who then go ahead and do everything that they bitch at me for doing is something I take about as seriously as a Tom & Jerry cartoon. You, SOI, and your "gang" are liars and hypocrites, and you already know where you can stick your derision.

[Jeff Brady]

And being "chastized" by a bunch of hypocrites who then go ahead and do everything that they bitch at me for doing is something I take about as seriously as a Tom & Jerry cartoon. You, SOI, and your "gang" are liars and hypocrites, and you already know where you can stick your derision.

The problem is, it was the omnivorous types who said you shouldn't do that, not any of us veggies.

Point out the lies. List them. Please.

[El Santo]

Are you denying that you said anything negative about my comments? It's not that hard to dredge up proof of both you and SOI making those hypocritical statements.

[Jeff Brady]

I said many negative things about your comments. Which ones were lies?

[El Santo]

The ones about me actually threatening you, for a start. And lets not forget what an incredible hypocrite you are, defending SOI for essentially doing the same thing, except that he is *actually* threatening people.

[Jeff Brady]

I want quotes. SOI threatened someone? Where?

[El Santo]

I eat Hell's Angels for breakfast and then have Bloods and Crips for lunch.


Right there. Unless, of course, you feel that animals are sentient beings worthy of respect, but Hell's Angels aren't.

[MacQuarrie]

And Slam, the phrase is BALL your eyes out. Find a suitable partner and get crackin'.
On the off-chance that you aren't trying to make a joke here, and in case somebody believes you...

bawl (bôl)
v. bawled, bawl·ing, bawls
v. intr.

1. To cry or sob loudly; wail.
2. To cry out loudly and vehemently; shout.

v. tr.

To utter in a loud, vehement voice. See Synonyms at shout.

n.

A loud, bellowing cry; a wail.

Phrasal Verb:
bawl out Informal

To reprimand loudly or harshly.

[Middle English bawlen, to bark, from Medieval Latin baulre, to bark (probably of Scandinavian origin), or from Old Norse baula, to low (of imitative origin).]

There. I feel better now.

[Guapo Méndez]

"Fur is Murder" is way too long.

Should be abbreviated to "Furder".

[Jeff Brady]

Right there. Unless, of course, you feel that animals are sentient beings worthy of respect, but Hell's Angels aren't.

That's not a threat. The (absurd) statement implies that he already has eaten them. It implies past experience in doing so, that it is habitual (each meal). Since SOI doesn't actually eat meat of any kind, human or animal, it is a joke, even moreso in the context of this thread.

You are either completely taking the piss here, or are really slow. I hope it's the former, because it's much funnier that way.

[El Santo]

That's not a threat. The (absurd) statement implies that he already has eaten them. It implies past experience in doing so, that it is habitual (each meal). Since SOI doesn't actually eat meat of any kind, human or animal, it is a joke, even moreso in the context of this thread.

You are either completely taking the piss here, or are really slow. I hope it's the former, because it's much funnier that way.

It does not imply eating them. As I've already explained, to "eat someone for breakfast" (or lunch) is to say that you routinely assault and/or murder them. Stop being disengenuous.

[Cam63]

"Fur is Murder" is way too long.

Should be abbreviated to "Furder".

Furricide ?

[Cam63]

It does not imply eating them. As I've already explained, to "eat someone for breakfast" (or lunch) is to say that you routinely assault and/or murder them. Stop being disengenuous.

Hell's Angels are great energy food, but really tough to chew.

It's best to mince them.

[Cam63]

...or they go nice in a stew.

[Converge]

I am against abortion.

But I'm for killing babies.

[Ian Boothby]

I'd also like to point out that my line *was* absurd, at least in the context of being a threat. After all, I said *if* you had called me a barnyard animal *in person*, I would kick your ass.

1. We live on opposite sides of America. That is a *lot* of space between us. What's the chance of us even being in the same state anytime soon, let alone the same city?

2. I have no way of identifying you in real life, and vice versa. Assuming Jeff Brady is your real name, you're one of like 10,000.

3. I never said anything about coming to look for you, so we would have to somehow encounter one another at random, despite having about 8 hours worth of AIR TRAVEL between us, and then happen to have a conversation that would involve you calling me a barnyard animal. If that isn't absurd, what is?

It was threatening. It didn't come across as a joke. Whether or not you could easily make good on what you said wasn't the point. You don't do that on a message board.

[El Santo]

It was threatening. It didn't come across as a joke. Whether or not you could easily make good on what you said wasn't the point. You don't do that on a message board.

This statement is so retarded, I honestly can't bring myself to take it seriously. Is there something wrong with the water up there that makes you people like this?

[Sharpandpointies]

Plus, SOI isn't just Canadian, he's a vegan. There's no way in hell he's winning a fight against Woody Allen, let alone an actual gang member.

Being Canadian and vegan, I find it interesting that you must therefore consider me a total wimp.

Interesting, and rather insulting.

Can we please avoid the extremely broad and incorrect generalizations?

[Melissa]

Ok, so fur is murder, but swatting flies, exterminating termites, wearing leather, eating meat and for that matter eating vegetables is not.


hmmm....

[YoGo]

This statement is so retarded, I honestly can't bring myself to take it seriously. Is there something wrong with the water up there that makes you people like this?

I can't believe you're actually arguing to defend the Hell's Angels against a threat from an internet poster on YABS.

[El Santo]

Being Canadian and vegan, I find it interesting that you must therefore consider me a total wimp.

Interesting, and rather insulting.

Can we please avoid the extremely broad and incorrect generalizations?

Well, one doesn't have to be a wimp to lose a fight against the Hell's Angels, or the Crips. But yes, I would give better odds to a meat-eating American in such a conflict, if only because (in general) they are more likely to be carrying a firearm, and are more likely to shoot it first. I mean really, if you saw the Hell's Angels rolling into town, what are the chances of you moseying over to chastize them for wearing leather? Or starting a fight with them over it?

I'm not saying you're a wimp. I'm just saying you're not as aggressive as a meat-eating American. I'm sure many Canadians would take that as a compliment. And really, just look at the numbers. Our murder rate dwarfs your's, even when you take population size into account. America (the continent) gets crazier as you go further south. Even we Americans are careful about how much crap we stir up in Mexico, because we know that's just asking for trouble. My family left Central America because it was in the middle of an armed revolution. Literally. Bombs dropping on villages, the whole nine yards. Be glad that you are safe in leaf-eating Canada. I'd be there too if I could afford it.

[El Santo]

I can't believe you're actually arguing to defend the Hell's Angels against a threat from an internet poster on YABS.

There are a lot of things that have been said in this thread that I can't believe.

[Ian Boothby]

This statement is so retarded, I honestly can't bring myself to take it seriously. Is there something wrong with the water up there that makes you people like this?


Listen fucktard I've been trying to play this nice with your arrogant knee jerk ass. You crossed a line with two threatening remarks. You said if you met this poster in person you'd kick his ass. That's a threat shit for brains. If you're too stupid to know about what proper boundies are in a public place then stay out of them. There's nothing retarded about calling you on that.

On a variety of threads right now you've called a black person racist for no good reason and you're angry at vegetarians for eating vegetables because they feel pain. Now you're getting slammy about Canada. These are fine stupid positions to take. Dumbass as hell but still acceptable on a message board. You can even get as outraged as often as you do. But you can't bring violence into it. And if you do don't try to justify it, just apologize and move on. Stupid is okay, threatening isn't.

[Sharpandpointies]

But yes, I would give better odds to a meat-eating American in such a conflict, if only because (in general) they are more likely to be carrying a firearm, and are more likely to shoot it first....I'm not saying you're a wimp. I'm just saying you're not as aggressive as a meat-eating American. I'm sure many Canadians would take that as a compliment.

Sorry. I'd buy this if you didn't follow your previous statement up with

There's no way in hell he's winning a fight against Woody Allen, let alone an actual gang member.

Hyperbole? Maybe. But the inference isn't 'You'd lose against a gang member armed with a gun'. The inference is 'Canadians are pretty feeble and useless in a fight, to the point where I'm willing to compare them to Woody Allen as a joke'. You weren't talking about shooting, murder rates, etc. You talking about 'getting in a fight'. Woody Allen is the sort of flag you wave when you're talking 'rough and tumble', not 'shoot the hell out of people', because Woody wouldn't be so poorly off with a pistol, would he?

And no, I'm damned sure few Canadians would take that as a compliment. Here's one case where I can definitively say you know nothing of what you speak.

As for your subject change, I feel for your family, being in that crappy situation. I'm truly glad they aren't there anymore. But how does that give you the right to make unwarrented assumptions about a group of people?

What is it about the internet, anyway, that makes people incapable of saying 'I was out of line, didn't really think about what I was saying - retraction'?

Oh, and before anyone starts with the 'we're not the only ones throwing around generalizations', I'm aware of that. There have been more than enough on both sides.

[the4thpip]

Is it me or does every thread with El Santo in go South rather quickly?

[Goody]

I for one, will forevermore use 'furder' when discussing the practice of wearing fur.

[The Mirrorball Man]

"Fur is Murder"? That was that guy in "The X-Files", right?

[Spackling Compound]

http://eil.com/newgallery/The-Smiths-Meat-Is-Murder-150242.jpg
One of my friends who works with models said that Fur is Murder....to clean. I can't imagine the horror...

[The Xenos]

Thank you. For some reason I was thinking of that Smiths album when I saw this.

Anyway, I do object to excessive cruelty in fur farms, but I think having fur in and of itself isn't a bad thing. Humans have been killing animals for clothing for centuries. I see nothing wrong with it. Kill an animal for fur or leather clothing, kill hundreds of plants for cotton. You're still ending life both ways to me.

-Xenos

[YoGo]

I think there's a difference though when we kill for materials to survive and when we do it for vanity and excess. At least if we killed foxes for fur, but we ate them in a nice stew or perhaps braised with some onions and sage, it wouldn't be a complete exercise in vanity, which is a kinda sucky, to die for someone else's vanity...

[Ed Cunard]

"Fur is Murder"? That was that guy in "The X-Files", right?

I thought Furders were the little, owl-looking things that kind of repeat back the gibberish you spew at them.

I'd eat them, but every time I eat plastic innards, I think back to my time spent as a circus geek when I got beat up by Hell's Angels, Crips and Bloods and PETA members.

And then I cry, and write about it in my sissy blog/diary/journal.

[SoulOnIce]

Wow. Not just a self-righteous prick, but an Internet "tough guy" too. And to think you were giving me crap for posturing.

Christ, you're an idiot.

[DarkCrisis]

Yippee another veggie-ish thread! Guess the old one wasn't enough huh?

[SoulOnIce]

Ok, so fur is murder, but swatting flies, exterminating termites, wearing leather, eating meat and for that matter eating vegetables is not.


hmmm....

Fur sucks as does leather and eating meat and I don't do any of that . If I see termites, roaches or flies in my home I will kill them as they have the potential to make my family (particularly my baby) sick. Just like if a raccoon was threatening my family I would kill it. That is where I draw the line.

[taintedlunch]

Fur sucks as does leather and eating meat and I don't do any of that . If I see termites, roaches or flies in my home I will kill them as they have the potential to make my family (particularly my baby) sick. Just like if a raccoon was threatening my family I would kill it. That is where I draw the line.

But... killing them? Shouldn't you just relocate them?

[Ed Cunard]

Yippee another veggie-ish thread! Guess the old one wasn't enough huh?

Hush, you. Ever since Fanboy Rampage closed down, my internerd fight diet has been lacking, leaving my petty soul malnourished.

[Goody]

Hush, you. Ever since Fanboy Rampage closed down, my internerd fight diet has been lacking, leaving my petty soul malnourished.
I hear ya.

[SoulOnIce]

But... killing them? Shouldn't you just relocate them?

Relocating thousands of termites?? Or Hundreds of roaches? I don't have either of them but if I did I would get them sprayed. If you see one it usually means there are more.

[Ed Cunard]

Plus, relocating them? Andrew Jackson relocated the Native Americans on something called the Trail of Tears. They didn't like it, hence the name. The termites probably wouldn't, either.

SHIT. I JUST COMPARED TERMITES TO NATIVE AMERICANS. FUCK.

[Tadhg]

Plus, relocating them? Andrew Jackson relocated the Native Americans on something called the Trail of Tears. They didn't like it, hence the name. The termites probably wouldn't, either.

SHIT. I JUST COMPARED TERMITES TO NATIVE AMERICANS. FUCK.

Does this mean I can call you racist and say I would so kick your ass?

[Ed Cunard]

I'd totally stomp you, Tadhg. I may be frail and awkward, but I have indie snob pretension on my si--

Wait, that's totally useless in battle. Shit.

[Boldido]

Fur sucks as does leather and eating meat and I don't do any of that . If I see termites, roaches or flies in my home I will kill them as they have the potential to make my family (particularly my baby) sick. Just like if a raccoon was threatening my family I would kill it. That is where I draw the line.

I can agree with the anti-fur camp. The sole purpose of raising the anmals is for their skin with the rest of the animals going to waste.

I believe, however, that the way most commercial animals (cows, chickens, pigs) are processed today, the efficiency of the use of the carcasses is amazing. Damn near every part of the animal is used, hardly anything is wasted. That's impressive. I eat meat and wear leather, guilt free.

If you choose to not wear leather or eat meat, then that's fine too, but you might want to pick an organization, other than Peta, to make your points. Peta has demonstrated a hypocrisy and lack of ethics that boggles the mind. They have lost almost all credibility they may have once had and I believe now stigmatize whatever cause they are associated with.

"What's going on?"

"We're protesting the conditions of circus animals?"

"Oh really?"

"Yeah, they are treated horribly. That's why I'm out here with Peta to...HEY, WHERE ARE YOU GOING?"

[Tadhg]

I'd totally stomp you, Tadhg. I may be frail and awkward, but I have indie snob pretension on my si--

Wait, that's totally useless in battle. Shit.

In honor of your indie snob pretension, I promise to use Absolute League of Extraordinary Gentlmen or the Graphitti Designs From Hell Hardcover to bludgeon you with as opposed to Absolute Danger Girl or the Graphitti Designs Earth X.

[Ed Cunard]

In honor of your indie snob pretension, I promise to use Absolute League of Extraordinary Gentlmen or the Graphitti Designs From Hell Hardcover to bludgeon you with as opposed to Absolute Danger Girl or the Graphitti Designs Earth X.

Ok.

Only if you promise to eat me, so there's nothing wasted.

[CaptMagellan]

My cats were talking last night when they thought I was asleep. They were discussing which of the humans in the house would make the best raincoat for the coming rainy season. They really hate it when their fur gets wet.

I'm going to have to make them wear demeaning cardboard paper party hats to remind them of their place.

"The animals have cars
They're starting to run us over.
Notches on their steering wheels
My pet is calling me 'Rover.'
It's Animal Day!"

Wall of Voodoo - "Animal Day"

[Jeff Brady]

I absolutely love this thread.

"Furder" is awesome.

[CaptMagellan]

"Furder" is awesome.

I have the image of a homeless man pointing, accusatorilly, at a young boy in a coon skin cap while screaming, "Furderer. FURDERER!!!"

[Jeff Brady]

I got it in my head, too! It's a meme virus!

[taintedlunch]

Fur sucks as does leather and eating meat and I don't do any of that . If I see termites, roaches or flies in my home I will kill them as they have the potential to make my family (particularly my baby) sick. Just like if a raccoon was threatening my family I would kill it. That is where I draw the line.

The chances that my family will be in danger from flies? Ten percent. The chances I'll look good in leather and/or fur? One-hundred percent.

[Guapo Méndez]

I absolutely love this thread.

"Furder" is awesome.

Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week. Try the tofu and carrot cake and don't forget to tip your waitress.

[Guapo Méndez]

The chances that my family will be in danger from flies? Ten percent.

I don't know. I heard that lots of tse-tse flies finally got their passports and world visas. Danger might be on the rise...

[CaptMagellan]

I got it in my head, too! It's a meme virus!

An unholy creation, born in the crucible of hate between meat eaters and vegetarians. Over a hundred pages, and two threads, later, the FURDERER Who Walked Like a Man was unleashed on the world.

"FUURRR BAAAADDD! AAAAAARRRRGGGGHHH!!!"

He's coming for you, yes I'm talking to YOU. The one with the fur jockey shorts, eating that meat pie! ;)

[Forsaken_One]

I dunno, I hear "furder" and I think "Oh God, what are those Furries doing now?"

[Phoney Bone]

I'm going to have to make them wear demeaning cardboard paper party hats to remind them of their place.



Not enough.

I'm putting little Santa hats on my cats. Then I will take a photograph and make Christmas cards. That's how you show 'em who's the boss, Applesauce.

[Cam63]

My cat is not open to that kind of treatment, so I'll just stick to stroking him on the head and back.

[Arrjay]

Y'know folks. Threads like this and the highly argumentative 'Why Vegetarianism Is Good Idea' are the reason I frequent CBR less these days. And they're definitely the reason why I avoid the Yabs forum more than I used to. It sucks to argue all the time and for me at least it kills all the desire I have to frequent CBR. The political threads over at the community forum have had the same effect on me. As funny as these threads may be (and I honestly believe that political/social threads can be hilarious) the overall feeling I come out with after spending a bunch of time in them is one I'd closely relate to sadness. It just brings me down these days to argue about stuff that neither party can ever agree on. Henceforth I'm trying to avoid these threads and stick to topics that are much less inflammatory and offensive to myself and to other people.

That said I guess it's fair to wonder why I'm bothering to post anything in this thread at all. That's a fair question and it's basically because I feel a little like a dumbass for being such a loud voice in past threads like this and then suddenly avoiding them with such outright defiance.

I can't guarantee that I'll be able to avoid jumping into argumentative threads in the future. Someday someone may post something that I really feel requires my input or I may just slacken off on this. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that I am going to do my best to behave and not even enter threads that may have the nature to become insane flame-wars.

All we ever seem to do in them is argue opposite points back and forth and end up exactly where we all started save that we now know just how much it might take to piss a certain person off about a certain topic.

So yeah. I've been wanting to say this for a little bit now.

Sorry if it's too long winded and boring but I had to post it eventually.

Peace and ....whatever else pleases you.

-R.J.

[Night Swordsman]

My cat is not open to that kind of treatment, so I'll just stick to stroking him on the head and back.

YOU GO CAM! WOOHOO!

Cats Rule,Dogs Drool.

[Sharpandpointies]

And they're definitely the reason why I avoid the Yabs forum more than I used to. It sucks to argue all the time and for me at least it kills all the desire I have to frequent CBR.

You make good sense, Arrjay. Given that these boards are essentially unmoderated, I'm considering just taking a hike, and only looking in on the 'Rumbles' section.

Especially after I got steamed, above. All that did was ruin an hour of my day.

[El Santo]

Is it me or does every thread with El Santo in go South rather quickly?

Don't look at me. This thread had fallen into flames before I got here.

[El Santo]

Listen fucktard I've been trying to play this nice with your arrogant knee jerk ass. You crossed a line with two threatening remarks. You said if you met this poster in person you'd kick his ass. That's a threat shit for brains. If you're too stupid to know about what proper boundies are in a public place then stay out of them. There's nothing retarded about calling you on that.

On a variety of threads right now you've called a black person racist for no good reason and you're angry at vegetarians for eating vegetables because they feel pain. Now you're getting slammy about Canada. These are fine stupid positions to take. Dumbass as hell but still acceptable on a message board. You can even get as outraged as often as you do. But you can't bring violence into it. And if you do don't try to justify it, just apologize and move on. Stupid is okay, threatening isn't.

Wow, that was unnecessary. First of all, you are a liar. I did not say that I would kick anybody's ass if I met them in person. Please, find the quote where I said that immediately upon meeting anyone in person, I would kick their ass. I want to see it. You're exaggerating because you want to be infuriated about something, and you decided on me. Well screw you, and the horse you rode in on.

Likewise, I had a good reason for calling SOI a racist; he was making racially insensitive remarks. We called John Rocker a racist when he said those things in New York, so why should SOI be any different? It's not as if being black makes you incapable of racism. Furthermore, I never was "angry" with vegetarians for eating vegetables. *I* eat vegetables, you moron. I was simply pointing out that their moral superiority was built on a foundation of sand; they're calling people who eat meat murderers, but they're still murdering plants (if you can really call killing plants and animals murder, and you really shouldn't).

So that makes you a liar three times over, deliberately mis-quoting me because if you responded to what I actually said, you wouldn't have anything to say. I'd say you're the one who should be apologizing right now.

[Screwtape]

He's coming for you, yes I'm talking to YOU. The one with the fur jockey shorts, eating that meat pie! ;)What about those of us eating fur pie? Can we stay?

I have one vote that says "yes," and it's not my own.

[El Santo]

Sorry. I'd buy this if you didn't follow your previous statement up with



Hyperbole? Maybe. But the inference isn't 'You'd lose against a gang member armed with a gun'. The inference is 'Canadians are pretty feeble and useless in a fight, to the point where I'm willing to compare them to Woody Allen as a joke'. You weren't talking about shooting, murder rates, etc. You talking about 'getting in a fight'. Woody Allen is the sort of flag you wave when you're talking 'rough and tumble', not 'shoot the hell out of people', because Woody wouldn't be so poorly off with a pistol, would he?

And no, I'm damned sure few Canadians would take that as a compliment. Here's one case where I can definitively say you know nothing of what you speak.

As for your subject change, I feel for your family, being in that crappy situation. I'm truly glad they aren't there anymore. But how does that give you the right to make unwarrented assumptions about a group of people?

What is it about the internet, anyway, that makes people incapable of saying 'I was out of line, didn't really think about what I was saying - retraction'?

Oh, and before anyone starts with the 'we're not the only ones throwing around generalizations', I'm aware of that. There have been more than enough on both sides.

I never thought I'd see the day when you couldn't crack a joke about Canada. You guys get South Park up there, right? This is a minor passtime in the States. We don't mean any harm by it. We've been waiting for you guys to fight back...it's not like we aren't ripe for parody down here. I mean, we elected what is basically a talking chimp to our highest political office. Our Secretary of State is touring the world trying to convince Europeans that the fact that our CIA has been using their airports to shuttle kidnapping victims to torture camps in Eastern Europe isn't that big of a deal.


We televise NASCAR. Don't tell me you guys don't have enough material to work with. It's all in good fun.

[YoGo]

Omg, this discussion got stupid fast...

[Ian Boothby]

Wow, that was unnecessary.


I wish it had been. I'm not a liar, I wasn't alone in my interpretation of your threatening post. If this was almost any other board you'd have been banned. And rightfully so. Since that time you've tried to explain it away by saying you don't know where the person you threatened lives or their real name. So you consider anonymous threats okay? They're not. Saying you'd kick a poster's ass is a threat. Get that through your head. It's not funny, it's not badass and crosses a line.

SOI compared all people to being of the same value as animals. You took this as comparing black people to cattle. You added a racial element that wasn't there but did fit in with your agenda and then wouldn't get off that horse.

You then went on to call people who eat vegetables but are against meat hypocrites because vegetables are alive. It's a dumb argument. But like I said, dumb is allowed online. Adding your own nonsense to someone's post and calling them a racist is a shitty thing to do. And threatening people? Take it somewhere else.

[El Santo]

SOI used Blacks and Holocaust victims specifically in his arguments, not "all people". He only started to fall back on that excuse after I called him on his racist comments, then he went right back to making those same racist comments.


If opposing racism offends you, then I guess that's your problem. As for the alleged "threat"? Darrel Hammond said it best on SNL: "Suck it long, and suck it hard". :)

[Jeff Brady]

Where are all those "lies" I said?

[Ian Boothby]

Where are all those "lies" I said?

I think they're in the box with my lies, SOI's racism and the death screams of a carrot.

[El Santo]

No, your lies are quite plain to see. You misquoted me because you know that my actual quote would never be taken seriously as a threat by anyone with a sliver of common sense.

[Trulyures]

Well, I don't mind wearing the fake fur, but killing animals for their fur is kind of sad, but the only exception is when native americans did it, they had to survive.

[Ian Boothby]

No, your lies are quite plain to see. You misquoted me because you know that my actual quote would never be taken seriously as a threat by anyone with a sliver of common sense.

Yep, everyone else is wrong but you. Everyone on the various threads that are trying to calm you down, everyone that's trying to correct you, everyone just getting annoyed by your ranting. They're all wrong. It's all just a conspiracy to intentionally misinterpret your posts. You're clear as water and we're all just in your words missing common sense and retarded.

I'm done with you.

[El Santo]

I wasn't the one throwing profanity around in this thread. I am calmly pointing out that you are lying, though I now wonder why I ever bothered trying to reason with a person like you.

[Jeff Brady]

No, your lies are quite plain to see. You misquoted me because you know that my actual quote would never be taken seriously as a threat by anyone with a sliver of common sense.

I wonder if you're rabid. You're always frothing at the mouth.

[Jeff Brady]

Well, I don't mind wearing the fake fur, but killing animals for their fur is kind of sad, but the only exception is when native americans did it, they had to survive.

No, it's still sad. The Native Americans acknowledged this, and practically prayed for forgiveness from the animal. They thanked it in ceremony for letting them use the skin & meat. They still had empathy for the creatures lives they took. They weren't wasteful, they didn't take anything for granted.

[Sharpandpointies]

I never thought I'd see the day when you couldn't crack a joke about Canada.

Don't tell me you guys don't have enough material to work with. It's all in good fun.

Now it's a joke. Funny, a few seconds ago, it was just logic.

Well, one doesn't have to be a wimp to lose a fight against the Hell's Angels, or the Crips. But yes, I would give better odds to a meat-eating American in such a conflict, if only because (in general) they are more likely to be carrying a firearm, and are more likely to shoot it first. I mean really, if you saw the Hell's Angels rolling into town, what are the chances of you moseying over to chastize them for wearing leather? Or starting a fight with them over it?

I'm not saying you're a wimp. I'm just saying you're not as aggressive as a meat-eating American. I'm sure many Canadians would take that as a compliment. And really, just look at the numbers. Our murder rate dwarfs your's, even when you take population size into account.

I'm done with this thread. This isn't worth it.

[El Santo]

The best jokes have a ring of truth but...to be honest...this isn't an argument worth having. I'm in agreement with you there.

[Guapo Méndez]

."Furder".

[Gail Simone]

Jeez Louise, we're having some dumb threads lately.

Gail

[SoulOnIce]

I don't think a discussion about fur is dumb. The dumbness come when certain people hijack the thread *cough*El Santo*ahem* and make ridiculous statements.

Or I could say there are no dumb threads only dumb people.

[Ed Cunard]

I think the only way to quash the Soul vs. Santo beef is with a dance-off.

[CaptMagellan]

No, it's still sad. The Native Americans acknowledged this, and practically prayed for forgiveness from the animal. They thanked it in ceremony for letting them use the skin & meat. They still had empathy for the creatures lives they took. They weren't wasteful, they didn't take anything for granted.

<shifting into anthropologist mode>
Be very careful of over glorifying any tribal culture - or translating their cultural matrix through modern filters.

The term 'Native American' is frustrating, especially when used to make general statements. The Apache were very different from the Lakota which were very different from the Huichol which were very different from the Quecha which were very different from the Choctaw, etc. etc.

These different tribes had different ways of seeing the natural world, despite what pop culture and new age derived 'Native Spirituality' claims. Some were incredibly warlike and savage, some were fairly peaceful agrarians, and a large number of them had a very balanced view of the natural world and their place in it and were very grateful for their food and resources.

But very few of them (none that I'm aware of but it's not my specialty so I may be unaware of an exception) had words that correspond to our modern term 'forgiveness'. There was the concept of restoring balance within the body politic but the post-Christian idea of 'forgiveness' (as opposed to restitution, repayment, rebalancing) is alien. This is also true of the European and African tribal cultures.

So the idea of 'Native Americans' (or any tribal cultures) acknowledging the sadness of killing prey is bunk. They knew that death was part of nature and that you had to kill to eat. Although gratitude was due (and not wasting any of the animal as you said) the idea of 'regret' would have just been considered stupid - and counter productive to the well being of the tribe. And across the board they considered the well being of their tribe to be more important than the well being of another tribe or the animals that they ate. They didn't waste because they understood scarcity very well and they didn't over hunt because they understood the cause and effect of depleting a source of food.

In the same way that MacQ stated that words have meaning and the misuse of those words can be harmful, the glorification or demonization of any culture different than ours devalues their real accomplishments and disregards their shortcomings.

</end anthropologist mode>

Furder! FUUURRDDDERRR!!!

[Tadhg]

I think the only way to quash the Soul vs. Santo beef is with a dance-off.

You said Beef! Heathen!

[CaptMagellan]

You said Beef! Heathen!

I think I'm the only honest to Odhinn Heathen on this board you... you... person who's first name I can't pronounce!

[Dr Ray Palmer]

The Go-Go's are against fur, so I figure that's good enough for me. Whenever I have a difficult decision to make or have to take a stand on an important issue, I just ask myself, "What would the Go-Go's do?"

[Ed Cunard]

How do you know they're against fur? I thought their lips were sealed.

OH, SHIT! SEALED! AS IN "CLUB BABY."

But if club babies are doing a dance off...

Fuck. These threads have made me stupid, haven't they?

[Lubichev]

No, just head over heels.

[Guapo Méndez]

Jeez Louise, we're having some dumb threads lately.

Gail


You did not like the word "furder"?



***hangs head in shame***


I promise to do better, master.

;)

[Dreadstar]

Woohoo! One thread falls off the face of the boards and in order to have a soapbox, another rises in its place! I haven't read it yet, but I bet I can point out the main points blindfolded.

1. Someone's boound to have pointed out that the only way that killing animals can be consdiered murder is by humanizing the animals, or the phrase is wrong. Period.

2. Someon'e gotten self-righteous and indignant.

3. Someone's posted some pictures of animals in extremely appalling conditions.

4. Someone's made a joke about the afformentioned pictures.

5. Someone's mentioned that it'd be murder to wear flax because a plant's alive, too.

6. Someone's gone for the "selfish hypocrite" angle. Again.

How many did I get? 5?

[Dreadstar]

OK, now I've read it. Fun stuff! But since so many more intelligent people said pretty much the same things I might have I thought I'd stay out of it.

Then I saw that I could call someone a "fucktard" with inpugnity.

I mean, how many threads am I going to get a chance like that?

Fucktard.

Woohoo!

[CaptMagellan]

Don't forget the Furderer.

("You furdering Fucktard!!!") ;)

[Dreadstar]

Don't forget the Furderer.

("You furdering Fucktard!!!") ;)


Genius!


.

[Guapo Méndez]

OK, now I've read it. Fun stuff! But since so many more intelligent people said pretty much the same things I might have I thought I'd stay out of it.

Then I saw that I could call someone a "fucktard" with inpugnity.

I mean, how many threads am I going to get a chance like that?

Fucktard.

Woohoo!

It is the first thing I see when I load page 4. God, it's hilarious.

Not as hilarious as some stuff in the "Wool is Theft" thread, but priceless nonetheless.

[Dreadstar]

Guapo's a fucktard.

[Guapo Méndez]

Guapo's a fucktard.


Indeed. It's page 3, not four.

[Jeff Brady]

<anthropologist mode>

<bored teenager>I'm just going by what I was taught in 7th grade history, man! Don't oppress me!</bored teenager>

Seriously, thanks.

[CaptMagellan]

<bored teenager>I'm just going by what I was taught in 7th grade history, man! Don't oppress me!</bored teenager>

Seriously, thanks.

No problem. Now stop throwing your chewing gum at my blackboard. ;)

[Ed Cunard]

Gum is murder.

[CaptMagellan]

Gum is murder.

But is it ok to shear your own hair off when you get gum stuck at the back of your head when some furdering fucktard threw it at you?

Wait.... wrong thread.... "Human Hair Textiles: Is it Wrong?" a new thread coming to a message board near you.

[Jeff Brady]

But is it ok to shear your own hair off when you get gum stuck at the back of your head when some furdering fucktard threw it at you?

I won't tell you how many times that happened to me. It sucks when you're trying to grow hair for Locks of Love in the name of a cancer-killed classmate AND your the biggest nerd in class.

[CaptMagellan]

Can we all agree that Gum in The Hair is Evil?

'Cause it is. It sucks the farts out of dead cats.

[Cam63]

Jeez Louise, we're having some dumb threads lately.

Gail

It only happens when you go away on a break.

So, it's YOUR fault !

[Cam63]

Can we all agree that Gum in The Hair is Evil?

'Cause it is. It sucks the farts out of dead cats.

I've yet to have that experiance.

[shrike]

Jeez Louise, we're having some dumb threads lately.

Gail

WHAT????

You mean talking about pie, playing truth or dare or YoGo stating (for the zillionth time, which has run its course so long ago its not even funny) he was shot does not have INCREDIBLE FREEKIN' RELEVANCE?

Gail, you've already highly offended those who were born to look like Pac- Man. I urge you to reconsider this stance.

You have an X Box. Go shoot something! It will put a smile on your face and warm fuzzies in your heart.

As for fur, well I urge everyone to pet your dog or cat tonight and tell them how much you love them.