USC vs. Texas

[Dennis K]

Does this game have a chance of living up to the hype? For some strange reason, I think it actually might.

[EZMOHR]

Nah, USC will win by at least 2 TD's. And I'm from Texas and I say that.

[foxfire]

Wow Texas had 70 POINTS with like 5 minutes left in the third quarter.... has nothing to do with USC, but still...

[Mabels Folly]

Texas will get rolled over. The only weapon they have is Young, their quarterback, while USC has Leinart and Bush, and that's just for appetizers.

USC played a much tougher schedule then Texas did. The Big 12 sucked donkey cock this year. Colorado only won the North Division 'cause Iowa State choked and lost last week.

What's more interesting is seeing who wins the Heisman. All of the usual idiots have been shrieking that Leinart hasn't done anything spectacular, which convieniently overlooks a couple of key facts:

1) Without him, there is no fucking way USC is undefeated or has won the last two national championships.

2) He's having a better year statistically this year, then he did last year.

All that being said, what Bush did against Fresno State was astonishing and I wouldn't really quibble if he got the Heisman.

[Dennis K]

Texas will get rolled over. The only weapon they have is Young, their quarterback, while USC has Leinart and Bush, and that's just for appetizers.

USC played a much tougher schedule then Texas did. The Big 12 sucked donkey cock this year. Colorado only won the North Division 'cause Iowa State choked and lost last week.

What's more interesting is seeing who wins the Heisman. All of the usual idiots have been shrieking that Leinart hasn't done anything spectacular, which convieniently overlooks a couple of key facts:

1) Without him, there is no fucking way USC is undefeated or has won the last two national championships.

2) He's having a better year statistically this year, then he did last year.

All that being said, what Bush did against Fresno State was astonishing and I wouldn't really quibble if he got the Heisman.


Why do I get the feeling you've posted here before, but under a different name?

[Patrick Ferguson]

Man, I haven't been nervous about any games this year, but Texas looks pretty formidable. I think we'll win, but it'll be a daaaamn good game.

[Deathstroke]

As Ric Flair said back in his prime, To be the man, you gotta beat the man.

I just don't see it happening. Texas can make it a game I think, but I just see USC doing it again.

[Valmore]

Methinks Bush and Leinart cap a fabulous run at USC with a romp over the Longhorns. Then they get drafted 1-2 next spring.

[SteelTownr]

USC Is gonna beat the hell outta them.

Case closed.

Mark B.

[Callie]

I will admit it. USC will probably win. But it will be an exciting game. I don't see UT just rolling over to them.

The weak link in UT's game is Vince Young. He's an awesome quarterback when he's on; he's only okay when he's off. And he has too many off games. At that point, defense and special teams has to carry the Longhorns.

The UT vs Texas A&M game shouldn't have been as close as it was. Whether or not it's a rival game, Texas A&M sucks big time and no amount of hometown Aggie pride should have made such a big difference in how the game turned out.

[cable guy]

I don't think it will be much of a game.

[macul]

Has USC played a defense on par with that of Texas?

[Captain Trips]

USC has been down a lot in games this year and has always come back to win. I wonder if they will be able to come back in a game like that against a defense as good as Texas has.

I'd say you have to make USC the favorite, but at this point it is premature to say USC will roll over them. Texas is definitely the best team USC will face this year, and USC has had some close calls (Notre Dame and Fresno State come to mind). Texas has had close calls as well, but it's the championship calibur teams who are the ones who find ways to win the close ones.

Personally, I think it could be one hell of a game. I hope it's not a blowout. I got so bored watching those championship games yesterday because they were over by halftime. I want to see the two best teams in the country play like the two best teams in the country on January 4.

[Phrozen]

I hope USC doesn't win. All year long the only thing anybody ever wanted to talk about is USC this and USC that and I am ready for it to be over. Not to mention the Spoiled Children will reach Yankee fan level annoyingness since they have 2.5 National Championships in 3 years.

[Crimson Avenger]

Has USC played a defense on par with that of Texas?

Nope.

Hawaii gave up 438.4 yards total offense per game this year.

Arkansas gave up 341.9 yards total offense per game.

Oregon? 357.4 yards per game.

Arizona State...463 yards per game.

Notre Dame: 376.9 yards per game.

Washington...419.1 yards per game.

Washington State: 442.6 yards per game.

Stanford: 441.9 yards per game.

California: 351.7 yards per game.

Fresno State: 340.3 per game.

UCLA: 457.5 yards per game. And they were also beat 52-14 by a 3-8 Arizona team.

Texas...only gives up 280.6 yards per game. And they average 508.4 yards per game on offense. I don't see USC being able to score as much as everyone is thinking, and I also think Texas is going to drive up & down the field against USC's defense.

Texas wins, possibly big.

[Dreadstar]

So it's a landslide that everyone believes that USC will walk?

Hmmmm...

I remember a few years back the only 2 undefeateds were playing in the BCS top game. I remember that one team was on a 30+ game win streak and looking for a repeat championship. And the other team was going to be beaten like a drum and given no chance against the superior foe. I remember the game was considered a mere formality.

Weird.

[Dennis K]

Personally, I don't think it's going to be a blowout. From what I've seen, Texas appears to be more than capable to put up a lot of points against SC. Depending on what the spread is, I'd probably take the points that Texas is sure to be getting.

[Tadhg Adams]

So it's a landslide that everyone believes that USC will walk?

Hmmmm...

I remember a few years back the only 2 undefeateds were playing in the BCS top game. I remember that one team was on a 30+ game win streak and looking for a repeat championship. And the other team was going to be beaten like a drum and given no chance against the superior foe. I remember the game was considered a mere formality.

Weird.

Well that's now. I'm sure by gametime all the Sports media types will have talked themselves out of USC like they did last year.

[Dreadstar]

Personally, I don't think it's going to be a blowout. From what I've seen, Texas appears to be more than capable to put up a lot of points against SC. Depending on what the spread is, I'd probably take the points that Texas is sure to be getting.

Hey, if it goes over double digits, I'm down.

[Valmore]

So it's a landslide that everyone believes that USC will walk?

Not sure if it'll be a landslide, but I don't think Texas has faced anyone worth a damn past Ohio State. The PAC-10 is s superior conference to the Big 12, hence... methinks USC wins.

[Slam_Bradley]

Honestly, I'm having a hard time calling this one. I think that the Pac-10 was deeper than the Big-12 this year. And overall, USC's schedule was a little tougher than Texas'. I'd probably lean toward USC largely based on their big-game experience. Carroll is not going to let them get complacent. I'm not convinced that Mack Brown is there. Overall, I just think USC is much better coached and has more weapons.

Unfortunately, my give-a-shit factor on this is incredibly low. I dislike the Big-12. I try not to root for teams from California. Overall...I hope it's a good game, but I'm not enthused enough to really care who wins.

[Night]

I will admit it. USC will probably win. But it will be an exciting game. I don't see UT just rolling over to them.

The weak link in UT's game is Vince Young. He's an awesome quarterback when he's on; he's only okay when he's off. And he has too many off games. At that point, defense and special teams has to carry the Longhorns.

The UT vs Texas A&M game shouldn't have been as close as it was. Whether or not it's a rival game, Texas A&M sucks big time and no amount of hometown Aggie pride should have made such a big difference in how the game turned out.I'm more thinking that Texas merely underestimated A&M... and still beat them without bringing in the A game on one that they didn't need to win other than for pride sake. It'll at least be a game.

[TitoJones]

I'm more thinking that Texas merely underestimated A&M... and still beat them without bringing in the A game on one that they didn't need to win other than for pride sake. It'll at least be a game.

And they had to go against a quarterback they've never done before running an offense they've never saw or practiced against this year.

Let's not talk about close calls, it seemed to me that USC was letting some scrub ass team hang with them every other week, Arizona anybody.

Personally I think this is going to be a repeat of Ohio State-Miami. USC is going in playing a defense just as fast as thier offense and Reggie won't do enough to help them win this time.

Texas wins by 6 to 14 points.

[TitoJones]

Hey, if it goes over double digits, I'm down.

Right now on my gambling site it's USC by 6.5. Of course I think Texas is going to win, so I'll be taking it.

[Winslow]

The Big 12's performance in the bowls of late had been pretty dismal. And I'm still trying to get over how Nebraska robbed Penn State back in 1995. Penn State would have whooped their butt bad in a head to head matchup.

So I'm biased against the Big 12, and hoping for a big USC win.

But like I said in another thread - the game will probably end up being a boring "run-up-the-score-the-last-team-with-the-ball-wins" kind of game . . . more akin to basketball than football.

[Dennis K]

the game will probably end up being a boring "run-up-the-score-the-last-team-with-the-ball-wins" kind of game . . . more akin to basketball than football.


And here I thought I was the last person left on earth who loved watching a good defensive matchup.

[Winslow]

And here I thought I was the last person left on earth who loved watching a good defensive matchup.

Swarming gang tackles are a thing of beauty.

Individual tackles in the back field are cool too, But not as cool as total defensive domination.

[Dennis K]

And how overlooked has the QB sack become? A QB sack can change the course of a game in so many ways.

[Winslow]

And how overlooked has the QB sack become? A QB sack can change the course of a game in so many ways.

A little. However sacks are still glorified. Statistics are kept of sacks, and are often quoted to evaluate the performance of a lineman.

But a defensive lineman that dominates the line of scrimmage, and forces a runner to run "east-west" rather than "north-south", allowing linebackers to make tackles, is often over looked and under-appreciated.

[Dennis K]

A little. However sacks are still glorified. Statistics are kept of sacks, and are often quoted to evaluate the performance of a lineman.

But a defensive lineman that dominates the line of scrimmage, and forces a runner to run "east-west" rather than "north-south", allowing linebackers to make tackles, is often over looked and under-appreciated.


You are absolutely correct.

[Slam_Bradley]

And here I thought I was the last person left on earth who loved watching a good defensive matchup.


Not at all. My heart may be with the BSU Broncos and the wacky WAC...but my soul will always be that of a former strong safety.

[Valmore]

And here I thought I was the last person left on earth who loved watching a good defensive matchup.

Whatever gave you that idea? Defensive games are awesome!

[Jack Flash]

Go Horns. We'll see if USC's defense is as suspect as it's being talked about. If it is, then the Horns have a shot. Props to Bush though, when he's on, it's on.

[macul]

I love a good defense. Watching Greg Blue smack some poor receiver coming over the middle is wonderful!

[TitoJones]

Whatever gave you that idea? Defensive games are awesome!

Yeah but sometimes badly offensive performances get mistaken as defensive gems. Those are the games I can't stand above all.

[Guts/Batman]

It will be a challenge for Texas to even come close to containing the USC offense. They have a lot of offensive talent.

USC is just stupid good.

[Guts/Batman]

Whatever gave you that idea? Defensive games are awesome!

I love defensive games as well.

Well played defensive games that is. Some defensive games devolve into sloppy messes, which is never a good thing to watch.

[Fabian]

I hope USC doesn't win. All year long the only thing anybody ever wanted to talk about is USC this and USC that and I am ready for it to be over. Not to mention the Spoiled Children will reach Yankee fan level annoyingness since they have 2.5 National Championships in 3 years.
That would be so awesome if it does happen. USC isn't that popular here to begin with what with the masses being more UCLA fans.

Unfortunately, my give-a-shit factor on this is incredibly low. I dislike the Big-12. I try not to root for teams from California.
Why do you hate Cali?

Right now on my gambling site it's USC by 6.5. Of course I think Texas is going to win, so I'll be taking it.
What gambling site? I've been looking for one myself

[Dennis K]

Why do you hate Cali?


I don't know about Tito, but I can sum up why I do in two words; Jim Rome.

[Night]

Swarming gang tackles are a thing of beauty.

Individual tackles in the back field are cool too, But not as cool as total defensive domination. Then there's dog fight for a fumbled football in the snow. And the defensive reading of a QB for an interception.

[Patrick Ferguson]

That would be so awesome if it does happen. USC isn't that popular here to begin with what with the masses being more UCLA fans.


Why do you hate Cali?


What gambling site? I've been looking for one myself

Idunno man. In Los Angeles proper I've met far more people supportive of USC. It seems like outside of Westwood, UCLA folk just kind of keep to themselves.

Maybe it's not like that in the rest of Southern California though.

[Valmore]

Yeah but sometimes badly offensive performances get mistaken as defensive gems. Those are the games I can't stand above all.

Too true and a good point. It's no fun watching an inept offense go against a great defense, because it's just a pre-determined outcome. It's when a team has a decent offense and the opposing defense comes in and beats them... and when it happens on both sides of the ball? That's frickin' sweet.

[TitoJones]

What gambling site? I've been looking for one myself


My site is sportsbook.com. They're real good about paying you, problem is that I haven't been able to test (the getting paid part) it out that much lately.

If that's not to your liking I have a couple of friends who go to bodog.com and they like it.

[JTLauder]

Idunno man. In Los Angeles proper I've met far more people supportive of USC. It seems like outside of Westwood, UCLA folk just kind of keep to themselves.

Maybe it's not like that in the rest of Southern California though.
Gotta chime in for my ol' alma mater...yes, I see a whole heck of a lot of USC support, which is nice and makes me proud. Yet at the same time, it makes me a little sick because it's must more of the the same fickle mentality of Southern California where people love you if you're good and forget about you when you're not. I'm hearing people talk about USC and football all over the place in every day conversation. Even people I know who typically hates football are suddenly trying to watch a game. From where did all these "Trojans fans" suddenly crawl out? Just you watch, next year will very likely be a different story as all the key players leave, and when they lose (because eventually they will lose a game), USC football will be forgotten about again, leaving us real loyal fans of the true "Trojan Family".

With that rant aside, as explosive as the offense is, you really have to hand it to Pete Carroll and the defense (for those few who don't know, besides being head coach, Pete Carroll is also the defensive coordinator). Considering the fact of losing so many excellent defensive players from last year and injuries and injuries to an already thin defense this year, the defense has done a remarkable job.

[Winslow]

Gotta chime in for my ol' alma mater...yes, I see a whole heck of a lot of USC support, which is nice and makes me proud. Yet at the same time, it makes me a little sick because it's must more of the the same fickle mentality of Southern California where people love you if you're good and forget about you when you're not. I'm hearing people talk about USC and football all over the place in every day conversation. Even people I know who typically hates football are suddenly trying to watch a game. From where did all these "Trojans fans" suddenly crawl out? Just you watch, next year will very likely be a different story as all the key players leave, and when they lose (because eventually they will lose a game), USC football will be forgotten about again, leaving us real loyal fans of the true "Trojan Family".


If you relocate USC's historical football success (past 40-50 years or so) to the South or Midwest, then there would be tons of rabid fans.

[Guts/Batman]

If you relocate USC's historical football success (past 40-50 years or so) to the South or Midwest, then there would be tons of rabid fans.

Of course.

The time zone difference is what really kills em. Hell, it kills most West coast teams from getting the recognition they deserve and rabid following.

Especially given how ESPN, ABC, CBS and NBC divide up the exclusive tv rights these days.

[Slam_Bradley]

Of course.

The time zone difference is what really kills em. Hell, it kills most West coast teams from getting the recognition they deserve and rabid following.

Especially given how ESPN, ABC, CBS and NBC divide up the exclusive tv rights these days.


I'm not sure that the time zone thing makes that much of a difference. Football just isn't as big in the west as it is in the south or the midwest...espectially the south. And LA in particular is not a football town.

[Guts/Batman]

I'm not sure that the time zone thing makes that much of a difference. Football just isn't as big in the west as it is in the south or the midwest...espectially the south. And LA in particular is not a football town.

That is true.

[JTLauder]

I'm not sure that the time zone thing makes that much of a difference. Football just isn't as big in the west as it is in the south or the midwest...espectially the south. And LA in particular is not a football town.
It's not just football. It's anything--what's in and popular gets a lot of hype, but when that hype dies down, people move on to the "next big thing". Sad, but true. Of course, there are die-hard fans around, but no sports teams in LA enjoys the real "fanatic" loyal following of teams in other cities. Look at the Lakers--the whole city was in an uproar when they were hot, and pretty much laughed at the thought of the Clippers. Now, it's the reverse.

[Gilda Dent]

Go USC!

What sport are we talking about here?

Ok, it appears to be football. When is the game? I haven't exactly been following the season so far. I, of course, being an alumna of USC am entitled to jump on the bandwagon this late in the season.

Gilda

[Winslow]

When is the game?

Rose Bowl - January 4th, 5:00 pm.

[JTLauder]

Rose Bowl - January 4th, 5:00 pm.
Note, that's 5pm PST.

It's just going to be so weird not having the Rose Bowl after the Rose Parade, which happens to be on Jan. 2 this year because the Rose Parade committe has an agreement with the churches along Colorado Blvd. to not run the parade on Sundays.

[Fabian]

Who else is hyped about this game?

[Sheldon]

I'm giddy with excitement...I hope it stays close till the end...

[Fabian]

I'm giddy with excitement...I hope it stays close till the end...
I'm want to see just how well Texas does because lately it's been hyped that Texas has been underestimated. I of course have found the glory of sports betting and I'm paranoid thinking the bookies are fueling the hype to get more bets towards Texas.

The spread I saw was 7.5 pts against USC. I didn't bet anyone because I didn't find anyone to take the bet but I will still go see it at a bar today. I'll possibly even try to place some sort of wager. It's just not as fun without something riding on it

[Steve]

Who else is hyped about this game?
Me! And I'm don't even watch college ball. Although, I know I should. More of a NFL guy here.

[Deathlok]

OMG!!!!!

WHy does texas look so bad? :eek:

this is the #2 team in thje nation???? :eek:


USC seems to be pumped up & texas seems...

well I am just going to say it



TEXAS SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[Deathlok]

OK texas seems to have recovered from that bad start... they actually stopped USC

Unbelieable!!!!!!

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Vince Young looks like a freakin stud out there. He's a guy who can run & throw the ball. Damn...he just threw his 1st In-Complete pass. If anything Young is the QB . I hope KC gets him.

[StoneGold]

Goddamn. I'm still at work in Pasadena, and I can hear the cheering.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

And TEXAS takes the lead due to a Young lateral. He was down cleary but the Longhorns kicked the extra point fast. Leadin 9-7! Wow...

[Steve]

Yeah, at the moment, it looks like they're in the driver's seat.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Texas scores AGAIN! The Longhorns are rollin people!

[Deathlok]

OMG! Hook em horns?????? :eek:

WTF happened to USC???

they cannot tackle a fly!

[SUPERECWFAN1]

OMG! Hook em horns?????? :eek:

WTF happened to USC???

they cannot tackle a fly!


Thier obviously worried about Vince Young. The blitzes aren't working on him and he's carryin one or 2 guys at a time to bring him down.

[Winslow]

A lot of missed calls . . .

And is it me? or does Kieth Jackson sounding a little old and confused at times?

[SteelTownr]

A lot of missed calls . . .

And is it me? or does Kieth Jackson sounding a little old and confused at times?

Actually, he sounds lucid at times.

Mark B.

[Deathlok]

so its the 3rd Q & Vince Young looks like the better QB.... so is he?

I have not seen much of him this year......

IS he coing out in the draft this year? Where would he get drafted? What round?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

so its the 3rd Q & Vince Young looks like the better QB.... so is he?

I have not seen much of him this year......

IS he coing out in the draft this year? Where would he get drafted? What round?


Its been said that Young is going back to Texas another year. I got to watching Law & Order so I turned the game sadly. ;)

[rickfury188]

Damn, I really want Texas to win. Maybe it's because I live in Texas!!! ;)

[Steve]

I live I Cali so I want USC to win.

And they just scored again, making this a close game.

I hope we get a classic finish.

[Callie]

The only thing that makes me sad is if this is a close game and Texas wins...it will always be attributed to the touchdown the officials overlooked. :T

[SteelTownr]

The only thing that makes me sad is if this is a close game and Texas wins...it will always be attributed to the touchdown the officials overlooked. :T

The officials in last night's game and tonight's both need a good slap.

Mark B.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Well USC also got a great call thier way. Lienhart cleary threw a 2nd Int . Texas just scored on a great play by Young. He's a guy that could be what many want Vick to be. A guy who can pass and read defenses and run like the wind! :D

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Heres a scary thing...Vince Young is the 1st QB to lead the nation in passing for over 2,500 yards and rushing with over 1,000 !

Young has questions about his throwing motion but as Coach Mack said: " He has won the Davey O'Brien award and leads the nation in passing effic. "

[PeteGunn]

A lot of missed calls . . .

And is it me? or does Kieth Jackson sounding a little old and confused at times?

I'll take an old, confused Keith Jackson over Brent Musburger anytime, anywhere...:D

[SUPERECWFAN1]

USC went on 4th and 2 !! Texas ball! :eek:

[Callie]

It just gets better and better. :)

[SteelTownr]

Why in the hell did they go for it?

Mark B.

[Crimson Avenger]

Touchdown Texas! 19 secs left.

[Callie]

Because of that. :eek:

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Why in the hell did they go for it?

Mark B.


Thier scared shitless of Vince Young. The man is a GOD. He just scored again!! If they can hold 30 seconds longer they f-ckin win!

[Guts/Batman]

Why in the hell did they go for it?

Mark B.

I've got studs on offense and 2 minutes left in the game. Do I really wanna put the game in the hands of of my special teams and defense (not that it is bad but Vince Young on the other team is definitely a deterrent)?

I think that's a "no."

Plus, it's not like they would have gained a lot of field position on the switch after the punt. At most, they would have gained 30 yards with a great punt.

It's a gamble I would have taken.

But why...play prevent D when the other team has Reggie Bush?

[Guts/Batman]

Wow...Leinart used a ton of time on that last play...

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Its over..TEXAS WINS!! Texas and Vince Young by himself has won the Game ! MVP for Young and nearly over 500 yards of offense himself!

[kmeyers]

go big 12.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I've got studs on offense and 2 minutes left in the game. Do I really wanna put the game in the hands of of my special teams and defense (not that it is bad but Vince Young on the other team is definitely a deterrent)?

I think that's a "no."

Plus, it's not like they would have gained a lot of field position on the switch after the punt. At most, they would have gained 30 yards with a great punt.

It's a gamble I would have taken.

But why...play prevent D when the other team has Reggie Bush?


They should have tried the punt...it was more as Pete just said. We couldn't stop him. So we had to take a shot at the 4th down there.

[Ekko]

Man that was a HELL of a game!!!! I only wished they could've played a bit longer!

[Scottsdale_Saint]

not a USC or Texas fan, but going for it on fourth and 2 was a less than good playcall i thought. leaving your biggest weapon on the sidelines at that time was a little curious as well. it's understandable to be leery of Young but at that stage of the game, i just think you gotta play percentage football. punt the ball and make Texas drive the length of the field to win.

oh well, great game, and i'm always happy to see new blood win the big one. Congratulations Texas!

[Callie]

My apartment building has just gone nuts. Hollers and w00ts from all around me. And these people are middle-aged and older! haha.

Yeah Texas!

[Guts/Batman]

They should have tried the punt...it was more as Pete just said. We couldn't stop him. So we had to take a shot at the 4th down there.

I probably would have punted, whenever I play games on my ps2 I punt more often than not.

If they would have gotten it they burn...at least 1:30 off the clock. It's not a decision I can question a lot.

[Ekko]

Going for it on 4th and 2 was ballsy. Not using Reggie Bush in that situation was a flat out head scratcher though.

[Dreadstar]

I cannot think of another QB who had 250 passing and 200 yards rushing in a single game.

Especially not in a national championship bowl game.

Holy crap, what a great freakin game.

[PeteGunn]

SC got caught. All year long, I've been thinking this would happen.

Six minutes to go, with a 12 point lead... and they lose.

Must be the payback for the Notre Dame/Fresno St/Arizona St deals.

They must've thought Texas would fold and they didn't. SC blinked first.

[Guts/Batman]

Going for it on 4th and 2 was ballsy. Not using Reggie Bush in that situation was a flat out head scratcher though.

Unless they were going to do a swing pass Bush would definitely been in. I think the best bet was the bigger back for the play they ended up going with.

[Callie]

As is traditional for my father to do at the end of a winning game:

The eyes of Texas are upon you,
All the live-long day.
The eyes of Texas are upon you,
You cannot get away.
Do not think you can escape them,
At night or early in the morn.
The eyes of Texas are upon you,
Till Gabriel blows his hoooooooooooooooooorn.

(to the tune of 'I've Been Working on the Railroad')

:p

[Dreadstar]

Welp, that's a second time an "invicible" team walked into a national championship game with a 34 game win streak and a touchdown odds spread looking to repeat got beat by the underdog in the past 3 years.

As much as I don't much care for the BCS, sometimes it's really worth the result.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Young pretty much said he'll be back next year for a repeat shot. The man is cleary the MAN in the 2007 NFL Draft. He's a guy who can change the game and USC I think..once they got ahead by 12 really got cocky.

Vince Young really got over shadowed by Reggie Bush in this game. But he showed...I can change a game too !

[Ekko]

Unless they were going to do a swing pass Bush would definitely been in. I think the best bet was the bigger back for the play they ended up going with.

99.99% of the time I would completely agree with you. Whenver it's short yardage I always say don't get cute, and Lindell White is the bigger back and should theoretically be the safer back. But with Reggie Bush on the team, I would have had to throw caution to the wind. This is a man people are saying might have been the greatest college tailback ever!

[Deathlok]

OMG! I hope the hell the Cardinals draft Vince Young!

[SUPERECWFAN1]

OMG! I hope the hell the Cardinals draft Vince Young!

If they sign a Free-Agent QB this season they may not. Dante Culpepper also may go there since him and Dennis Green are close. They also may resign Kurt Warner who maybe 34 or 35 but he played well despite that piss poor offensive line which nearly got him killed at times.

[Deathlok]

OMG!!! Get rid of old man warner!..... every time I hear his name I think , Shirley Jacksons short story, The Lottery..... old man warner!

....'lottery in June, corn come soon..."

[Guts/Batman]

99.99% of the time I would completely agree with you. Whenver it's short yardage I always say don't get cute, and Lindell White is the bigger back and should theoretically be the safer back. But with Reggie Bush on the team, I would have had to throw caution to the wind. This is a man people are saying might have been the greatest college tailback ever!

That's true...

If you were the Lions in the mid-90s in the smiliar situation, am I going to a rb not wearing the number "20"?

Hell fucking no!

[Deathlok]

Matt Leinart is going home to cry on Nick Lacheys shoulder! His draft stock just dropped dramatically.

USC GOT NOLM'd!!!!!



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[PeteGunn]

David Pino should name his kids Vince, everyone of them. Even if he has four daughters, name 'em Vince!

If Gary Cismesia got back to Tallahassee (or snuck back) and watched this game, he'd be in disbelief...

[Gilda Dent]

Ah, well. Second in the nation is still pretty good, still something to be proud of.

Gilda

[phoenixrising]

Oh my God, that was awesome! I was the only person in the whole bar rooting for the Longhorns and I was harassed mercilessly until the final play. It was so gratifying.

Though I found it funny that the sportcasters couldn't seem to stop sucking USC's collective dick long enough to realize they lost the game and they should probably try focusing on the winning team.....

[Phrozen]

Woohoo. The Spoiled Children lost. Maybe the media will think twice about naming a team the greatest ever 8 months before the NC game. After living on the west coast and only hearing USC this, USC that every week I am glad they lost. Matt Leinart is a classess punk though.

[phoenixrising]

The best line of the night: "Get used to it Leinhart. You'll be doing a lot of losing at New Orleans."

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Oh my God, that was awesome! I was the only person in the whole bar rooting for the Longhorns and I was harassed mercilessly until the final play. It was so gratifying.

Though I found it funny that the sportcasters couldn't seem to stop sucking USC's collective dick long enough to realize they lost the game and they should probably try focusing on the winning team.....


They really didn't give Texas a shot in hell of winning it. Gonna be hard to admit that this was a huge upset because the way they all talked...USC was unbeatable. Where Notre Dame and few teams showed they could be beat with the right game plan.

Plus I'm hoping by some miracle Kansas City can pull off a trade of some kind and get Young in 2007.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

The best line of the night: "Get used to it Leinhart. You'll be doing a lot of losing at New Orleans."


How....we have no clue if he will do a lot of Archie Manning like losing there. The team has a great supporting cast with 2 good WR's and a good RB.

See thats why I hate fans who heckle players. Guy has a great College career and people act like he's sinned by losing 1 National Championship. If I was Lienhart I would have said : " Fuck you pal , while I'm spending millions of Draft Day dollars you'll be working a job where you'll wish you were me. "

[phoenixrising]

See thats why I hate fans who heckle players. Guy has a great College career and people act like he's sinned by losing 1 National Championship. If I was Lienhart I would have said : " Fuck you pal , while I'm spending millions of Draft Day dollars you'll be working a job where you'll wish you were me. "

Well, I guess it's a good thing I'm not a "fan" then. I'm personallly against the practice of worshipping college-aged athletes. After you hang around some of them, it's hard to believe anyone would think the assholes deserve anything but a swift kick in the rear.

[Guts/Batman]

Plus I'm hoping by some miracle Kansas City can pull off a trade of some kind and get Young in 2007.

Unless KC is willing to part with...Larry Johnson. I don't think you're miracle will happen.

Priest Holmes won't be THAT valuable in the trade dept. if he returns to the field.

[Punchy]

My apartment building has just gone nuts. Hollers and w00ts from all around me. And these people are middle-aged and older! haha.

Yeah Texas!

I on the other hand watched the game here in LA at a bar with a ton of crazy USC fans. No hollers and woots.

What a game though. SC deserved to lose if they couldn't stop one guy.

[Phrozen]

How....we have no clue if he will do a lot of Archie Manning like losing there. The team has a great supporting cast with 2 good WR's and a good RB.

See thats why I hate fans who heckle players. Guy has a great College career and people act like he's sinned by losing 1 National Championship. If I was Lienhart I would have said : " Fuck you pal , while I'm spending millions of Draft Day dollars you'll be working a job where you'll wish you were me. "

Trust me. Leinart is a whiny punk. Earlier this year he was complaining that people were hitting him "late" and that the refs didn't call it.

[Punchy]

Plus I'm hoping by some miracle Kansas City can pull off a trade of some kind and get Young in 2007.

If you think Young is staying for one more year, you are nuts. I know he's said he's coming back, but that doesn't mean dick. His stock is so high right now he could go #2 no problems.

I'll give anyone 2-1 odds that he comes out.

[Guts/Batman]

Trust me. Leinart is a whiny punk. Earlier this year he was complaining that people were hitting him "late" and that the refs didn't call it.

Lucky for him the NFL pussified the rules in that dept.

[Guts/Batman]

If you think Young is staying for one more year, you are nuts. I know he's said he's coming back, but that doesn't mean dick. His stock is so high right now he could go #2 no problems.

I'll give anyone 2-1 odds that he comes out.

Especially when Drew Rosenhouse is on the other end of the line...

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Well, I guess it's a good thing I'm not a "fan" then. I'm personallly against the practice of worshipping college-aged athletes. After you hang around some of them, it's hard to believe anyone would think the assholes deserve anything but a swift kick in the rear.


I don't worship any college player. If thier good I will say it. Thats why I always made sure to praise Peyton Manning , Keyshawn Johnson , Vince Young and Reggie Bush for being good College players. I never fell on the ground and kissed thier asses to the point I rised and fell on thier words and acts.

But that guy acted like it was some huge diss for Lienhart to lose 1 big game. That poor " fan " needs to wake up and realize he's talking to a QB who by all accounts has had a BRILLANT...College career. I'm sure the loss hurts Lienhart but he isn't gonna lay awake when he's playing in the NFL , cashin big pay checks. ;)

[SUPERECWFAN1]

If you think Young is staying for one more year, you are nuts. I know he's said he's coming back, but that doesn't mean dick. His stock is so high right now he could go #2 no problems.

I'll give anyone 2-1 odds that he comes out.


They all want him to come out now. Hell thier all demanding it and so are General Managers. In the end its up to him. Peyton stayed his whole career and scouts were knockin his door down in 1997.

I'd love to see KC get him thats why I'm holdin back for 2007 and him. Or Brady Quinn....those 2 should get a lotta looks if Young stays in 2007.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Trust me. Leinart is a whiny punk. Earlier this year he was complaining that people were hitting him "late" and that the refs didn't call it.


So ? Every QB and team nearly do that now. They don't wanna see thier careers end by a late hit even if its not late. Joe Montana in his 81 playoff game against Dallas told them to keep coming . At the end of his career he said something to the effect that he was too old for this.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Unless KC is willing to part with...Larry Johnson. I don't think you're miracle will happen.

Priest Holmes won't be THAT valuable in the trade dept. if he returns to the field.


I really doubt KC will be able to stop anyone Defensivly as usual. Hell KC pulled off a great trade and moved up to get Tony Gonzalez years ago. Maybe Carl will pull one off in 2007 and trade a few picks to get Vince Young. Its my dream.... :D

[Guts/Batman]

I really doubt KC will be able to stop anyone Defensivly as usual. Hell KC pulled off a great trade and moved up to get Tony Gonzalez years ago. Maybe Carl will pull one off in 2007 and trade a few picks to get Vince Young. Its my dream.... :D

KC will be about middle of every round since they just barely missed the playoffs so it's possible if they are willing to trade their 1st and 2nd/3rd round picks for Houston or SF's top 5 pick.

[Phrozen]

So ? Every QB and team nearly do that now. They don't wanna see thier careers end by a late hit even if its not late. Joe Montana in his 81 playoff game against Dallas told them to keep coming . At the end of his career he said something to the effect that he was too old for this.

No, not every QB and team whine to the press about getting hit.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

KC will be about middle of every round since they just barely missed the playoffs so it's possible if they are willing to trade their 1st and 2nd/3rd round picks for Houston or SF's top 5 pick.


Of course we have no clue if Young's coming out yet. He has claimed on TV he's going back another year. So we'll see. If its this year then KC likely will draft in the need areas: OT,Guard,DT,DE, and CB. They really need to sign a good Guard because Will Shields will be leaving soon. Plus they need someone to apply pressure like Jared Allen on the other side.

The LB's are set but they need someone to start across from Surtain. Young looks good but if he comes out this season I sadly think KC won't touch him. If thats the case I'd like KC to sign a free agent QB.

[Ekko]

KC will be about middle of every round since they just barely missed the playoffs so it's possible if they are willing to trade their 1st and 2nd/3rd round picks for Houston or SF's top 5 pick.

I'm a die hard Chiefs fan and I would love it if the they could get Vince, but I just don't think there's any way it could happen. Personally, I think they should just focus on trying to get a decent QB in the second round and groom him for the year after next.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

No, not every QB and team whine to the press about getting hit.


Hell , Deion Sanders said years ago he hated to tackle. And this was in the NFL. It doesn't shock me he said it. If your a guy who's gonna cash in ..in a few months do you wanna lose that money ? Hell no..I'd be screamin late hit myself if I was him too.

[Ekko]

I'd like KC to sign a free agent QB.

Maybe they could get Rivers or Brees from SD.

[Phrozen]

Hell , Deion Sanders said years ago he hated to tackle. And this was in the NFL. It doesn't shock me he said it. If your a guy who's gonna cash in ..in a few months do you wanna lose that money ? Hell no..I'd be screamin late hit myself if I was him too.

You have never played football have you? To paraphrase Tom Hanks "Are you whining? Why are you whining? There is no whining in football." You go to the press and bitch about being hit and you basically tell the other team you are a pansy.

[Guts/Batman]

The LB's are set but they need someone to start across from Surtain. Young looks good but if he comes out this season I sadly think KC won't touch him. If thats the case I'd like KC to sign a free agent QB.

That's true...assuming that he will leave this year. The trend seems to be that successful starting QBs are staying all four years. Personally, I think he should stay another year to improve his passing skills but of course...what do I know on that subject. :D

The NFL team he gets to will tell him how to throw "their" way anyways.

There will be a lot of really good LBers coming out for this draft in the first and second rounds. Along with a lot of other good to great defensive players in this draft.

[Guts/Batman]

You go to the press and bitch about being hit and you basically tell the other team you are a pansy.

And you put a gigantic target on yourself... :D

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Maybe they could get Rivers or Brees from SD.


No...too much to ask for and get. They'd have to shop a 1st to them. Its best to look at Patrick Ramsey or Aaron Brooks. Both are solid QB's when they played and Brooks has an edge because he was in a close offense to KC's. Plus he can scramble and get the hell outta dodge.

Ramsey worked in Steve Spurrior's piss poor spread offense and nearly got killed , but he started and played very well. I'd like Ramsey because he's tough and has a good arm for the deep routes that KC runs.

[Guts/Batman]

Maybe they could get Rivers or Brees from SD.

SD is going to go with Rivers?

SD will have to make a choice very soon as to who they will be sticking with.

Plus, Brees did have the franchise sticker last year so I would guess that they will sign him to a deal or let him go and stick it out to see if Rivers pans out.

[Ekko]

No...too much to ask for and get. They'd have to shop a 1st to them. Its best to look at Patrick Ramsey or Aaron Brooks. Both are solid QB's when they played and Brooks has an edge because he was in a close offense to KC's. Plus he can scramble and get the hell outta dodge.

Ramsey worked in Steve Spurrior's piss poor spread offense and nearly got killed , but he started and played very well. I'd like Ramsey because he's touch and has a good arm for the deep routes that KC runs.

I wouldn't mind either of those guys, but I'd probably lean toward Brooks. As much as I've liked Trent Green (and I do think he's the man), he's also made me realize that I would like to see the Chiefs next QB be pretty mobile.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

You have never played football have you? To paraphrase Tom Hanks "Are you whining? Why are you whining? There is no whining in football." You go to the press and bitch about being hit and you basically tell the other team you are a pansy.


That was said in a Baseball movie. And hell...have you seen players today ? The days of Ronnie Lott tellin guys to go ahead and cut off the end of his finger has passed.

The League is built on thier star QB's. They sure as hell don't want them hurt. Its a fact many have brought up. I remember years ago Sherman got pissed at Warren Sapp for a tackle he threw innocently .

I played some Junior High football. Sadly we didn't have a press so I could complain about my lack of playing time like Terrell Owens. ;)

[Ekko]

SD is going to go with Rivers?

SD will have to make a choice very soon as to who they will be sticking with.

Plus, Brees did have the franchise sticker last year so I would guess that they will sign him to a deal or let him go and stick it out to see if Rivers pans out.

Well, it was going to be Brees's show for sure after this year, but his injury in the last game of the season might change everything. They certainly aren't going to be able to keep them both, Brees has proven he can start in the NFL and Rivers isn't willing to ride the pine anymore.

[Guts/Batman]

The NFL sluts out to offenses and still expects teams to have defenses. It's stupid.

It really comes close to the NFL pussifying what made it great in the first place. I prefer watching good defensive struggles to 50-48 games any day of the week.

And damnit they aren't playing touch football...

[SUPERECWFAN1]

The NFL sluts out to offenses and still expects teams to have defenses. It's stupid.

It really comes close to the NFL pussifying what made it great in the first place. I prefer watching good defensive struggles to 50-48 games any day of the week.

And damnit they aren't playing touch football...


Well I can see protecting the QB's back there. Thier really just defenseless once they release the football. Yeah ...you can sack then but you also can't bury them into the ground once they let the ball go.

Joe Thiesman had his career ended by an LT tackle. I can see why some don't want them getting killed. Also I can see why the horse collar tackle was removed...its a dangerous tackle and a player could be seriously hurt. If I recall one player was last season and thats how the Roy Williams rule came in on horse collar tackles that Williams made.

I can see why the League has enforced some defense rules but the interferance rules are beyond stupied. KC used to be able to slow the WR's down in coverage. Now you can't even slow them by running in front of them. If ya touch one...penalty flag. Yeah some rules are stupied and some are needed.

[Guts/Batman]

Or the head tapping "roughing the passer" calls. Those are some of the most worthless calls out there.

I can see why the tackles were removed from "legal" playing but the legal is still slutting out to offense. It's what puts asses in the seats.

[Fabian]

I can't believe that not pnly didn't USC cover the spread, they lost. They couldn't play defense worth a damn.

Plus Reggie screwed it up with his fumble. That was the decisive play right there.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

A source inside the Chiefs has came forward and claims that the Chiefs and Jets are working out a compensation package for Head Coach Herman Edwards.

The Chiefs however have declined that the meeting has taken place as had the Jets. The source claims KC may have to part with a 1st rd pick in a package to get Edwards. Peterson has came on record as saying that anytime you lose a 1st..its difficult.

sources: www.nfl.com



I'm not shocked by this. Carl Peterson had dinner with Herman Edwards the night before the 2 teams played. He is a friend and it stands to reason KC will pull the trigger on getting Herman Edwards. Odds are if this happens Edwards will more than likely bring some defensive assisants to Kansas City which needs it.

Welcome to Kansas City Herm. ;)

[JadeDragon]

That was a great game.

Love to see the underdog win, even though I live in LA (I must admit Ive got relatives who went to UT I found out recently).

Way to go Longhorns...Im glad it was a fun and memorable game this year.

Cheers!~~~JadeDragon (Now GO SEAHAWKS!!!) :D

[Hiromi]

Go Longhorns! WhooooO!

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I always loved the sketch on SNL where Will Ferrell was playing George W Bush. He was answering questions on what he would do if he was President.


Will as George : ( Drinks his beer ) " Mmmm...well 1st things 1st. I'd pretty much throw a big damn party. Then I'd sit down and talk to one of those foriegn guys. If one of em pissed me off enough..I'd tell Don't Mess With Texas. I've fried more people than KFC does chicken."

I can see that being said by a few Texas fans tonight. ;)

[phoenixrising]

Or the head tapping "roughing the passer" calls. Those are some of the most worthless calls out there.

What about "roughing the palate" calls? I think they have some merit.

[Jack Flash]

hook em horns! Go Texas! What a game. I am so happy for Mack Brown and my Orange and White.

[Dennis K]

Texas will get rolled over. The only weapon they have is Young, their quarterback, while USC has Leinart and Bush, and that's just for appetizers.

USC played a much tougher schedule then Texas did. The Big 12 sucked donkey cock this year. Colorado only won the North Division 'cause Iowa State choked and lost last week.

What's more interesting is seeing who wins the Heisman. All of the usual idiots have been shrieking that Leinart hasn't done anything spectacular, which convieniently overlooks a couple of key facts:

1) Without him, there is no fucking way USC is undefeated or has won the last two national championships.

2) He's having a better year statistically this year, then he did last year.

All that being said, what Bush did against Fresno State was astonishing and I wouldn't really quibble if he got the Heisman.


Bzzzzzzz... Sorry, but you won't be around for Final Jeopardy with answers like that. We have some lovely parting gifts for you though, safe journey home.

[Dennis K]

USC Is gonna beat the hell outta them.

Case closed.

Mark B.


Uh...... case open?

[Dennis K]

OMG!!!!!

WHy does texas look so bad? :eek:

this is the #2 team in thje nation???? :eek:


USC seems to be pumped up & texas seems...

well I am just going to say it



TEXAS SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!! :D


Not really.

[Dennis K]

Does this game have a chance of living up to the hype? For some strange reason, I think it actually might.


Memo to self; always trust your instincts.

[Dennis K]

Texas...only gives up 280.6 yards per game. And they average 508.4 yards per game on offense. I don't see USC being able to score as much as everyone is thinking, and I also think Texas is going to drive up & down the field against USC's defense.

Texas wins, possibly big.


It wasn't big, but you sure did call it.

[Dennis K]

And they had to go against a quarterback they've never done before running an offense they've never saw or practiced against this year.

Let's not talk about close calls, it seemed to me that USC was letting some scrub ass team hang with them every other week, Arizona anybody.

Personally I think this is going to be a repeat of Ohio State-Miami. USC is going in playing a defense just as fast as thier offense and Reggie won't do enough to help them win this time.

Texas wins by 6 to 14 points.


Another poster whose opinions and insights on football were spot on.

[Lubichev]

One of the most exciting games I've seen in a long time. Football never ceases to amaze me.

[Valmore]

I'm glad to see that travesty of a game is over. Terrible officiating all around the board that game. Hey refs - if the guy's knee is on the ground, he's down and can't lateral the ball. Yeesh... and that was just one of many obviously blown calls.

Still, Texas somehow managed to win. Color me surprised.

[Winslow]

I'm glad to see that travesty of a game is over. Terrible officiating all around the board that game. Hey refs - if the guy's knee is on the ground, he's down and can't lateral the ball. Yeesh... and that was just one of many obviously blown calls.

I'm wondering if the players are just too darn fast nowadays for officiating to be without error.

[cable guy]

Congrats to Texas.

I didn't think they had a chance going in, but they played a great game. Especially Vince Young.

[Valmore]

I'm wondering if the players are just too darn fast nowadays for officiating to be without error.

I don't expect any game to be completely free of errors. However, when there's a completely obvious call - Vince Young's knee hitting the ground long before he laterals for the touchdown - I expect the refs to be competent enough to get that one correct.

Not that Texas wouldn't have scored on the next play anyway, the way USC's defense was giving it up all night. I figured a high-scoring game, but I figured USC had enough defense to give them the win. That, however, was incorrect.

[Deathlok]

SOME random thoughts:

Vince had more rushing yards than Bush did.

LOL

He also had more rushing yards than passing, so is he that great of a passer?

Micheal Vick was good when he was younger, but now, more & more, he has to use his passing skills. This is not good!

LOL

Lindale White reminds me of Larry Johnson

Vince Young reminds me of Micheal Vick, only with passing skills!

[Slam_Bradley]

Interesting game. Certainly not great officiating. There were a number of missed calls, but they seemed to cut about equally both ways.

Vince Young played one of the best games I've ever seen. USC's defense was simply baffled. The linebackers coach needs to get those boys in to do some tackling drills. There were more missed tackles than I could count.

Texas did an excellent job of containing Reggie Bush, but had no answer for LeDale White. USC's offensive line absolutely dominated Texas' inside D-line and inside linebackers. White's stock rose nearly as much as Young's.

As incredible as Young played, this game was lost by USC on mental mistakes. Leinart goes for it on 4th and 1 instead of calling time-out and kicking the FG. Reggie Bush's ludicrous lateral/fumble. Carrol's decision to go for it on 4th and 2 instead of punting and potentially making Texas drive the entire field. The horrendous clock management that burned all USC's second half timeouts to no effect.

By this, I don't mean to take anything away from Texas. Overall they played a great game. Apparently they were mentally prepared to play. It's clear that USC wasn't.

[Corrina]

Vince Young reminds me of Micheal Vick, only with passing skills!

That would be Steve McNair. And, yes, Young reminded me of him last night.

[Dennis K]

That would be Steve McNair. And, yes, Young reminded me of him last night.

I don't recall McNair every having the ability to make big plays by running the ball to the degree that Young can.

[Dreadstar]

SOME random thoughts:He also had more rushing yards than passing, so is he that great of a passer?

Incorrect.


You missed a better chance at a snarky comment with:

"Vince Young had 200 yards rushing, and the whole USC team netted 209.

LOL"

[Corrina]

I don't recall McNair every having the ability to make big plays by running the ball to the degree that Young can.

How many Titans games have you watched? (No, not in the last two years. Sadly, injuries have really slowed McNair.)

[Winslow]

I don't recall McNair every having the ability to make big plays by running the ball to the degree that Young can.

Randall Cunningham! Randall Cunnigham!

"Cunningham was the Eagles' top rusher each year from 1987 to 1990; in 1990 he threw for 30 touchdowns and rushed for more than 1000 yards."

. . . though not sure he has the inconsistent performance issues and same "head problem" personality.

[macul]

You can only win so many shootouts before it comes back to bite you in the ass. USC needs to invest in a defense.

[Dennis K]

How many Titans games have you watched? (No, not in the last two years. Sadly, injuries have really slowed McNair.)


Quite a few sadly. While McNair can scramble, I stand by statement that he never was the same threat when he ran with the ball that Vince Young is.

[Dreadstar]

You can only win so many shootouts before it comes back to bite you in the ass. USC needs to invest in a defense.

Never happen in the PAC-10.

[CDB]

I wish I could've went online last but I didn't want to miss the interviews...

Yet...

HOOK'EM HORNS!!!


Texas pulled it off big time!!! They've shut the entire mouths of every critic in the sports world and beyond.

[matrix]

SOME random thoughts:

Vince had more rushing yards than Bush did.

LOL

He also had more rushing yards than passing, so is he that great of a passer?

Micheal Vick was good when he was younger, but now, more & more, he has to use his passing skills. This is not good!

LOL

Lindale White reminds me of Larry Johnson

Vince Young reminds me of Micheal Vick, only with passing skills!
:p vince lead the nation in passing effencty and he almost 500 yards of total offense box score (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/boxscore?gid=200601040083)

[SUPERECWFAN1]

SOME random thoughts:

Vince had more rushing yards than Bush did.

LOL

He also had more rushing yards than passing, so is he that great of a passer?

Micheal Vick was good when he was younger, but now, more & more, he has to use his passing skills. This is not good!

LOL

Lindale White reminds me of Larry Johnson

Vince Young reminds me of Micheal Vick, only with passing skills!


Uhhh Vick wasn't even close to what a Vince Young is. Vince can read a defense and is more Steve McNair at this point. Lets put it this way...Vick had a College offense where they told him he could read one side of the field in games and just run when he wanted.

It was told by his College coach that he had to " dumb " down the game so Vick wouldn't have to struggle reading coverages and all. Vince Young I have never heard this about College wise.


He isn't close to Vince Young who I think if he had to.....once the scrambling was gone could beat someone with his arm. Corrina is right..he's a McNair nearly but with the right team and right Draft pick he'll be dangerous.

The Saints or Jets may get him now because it appears he's changing his mind. Young is a McNair type who will scare a lotta teams.

[Punchy]

You can only win so many shootouts before it comes back to bite you in the ass. USC needs to invest in a defense.

You're right. No wonder this program hasn't won a national title.

[Sir Tim Drake]

The best line of the night: "Get used to it Leinhart. You'll be doing a lot of losing at New Orleans."

In his interview right after the end of the game, Leinart started to say it was a great win. He had to correct himself and said "loss" instead. This man just doesn't know what it's like to lose.

[bfrank]

You're right. No wonder this program hasn't won a national title.
given his comment, the snark here doesn't make sense....

I had a great laugh at that game....

[Dreadstar]

given his comment, the snark here doesn't make sense....

I had a great laugh at that game....
It does when you consider that Punchy is a USC (amoung others) fan who's a bit touchy about perceived disses to his football teams.

[bfrank]

It does when you consider that Punchy is a USC (amoung others) fan who's a bit touchy about perceived disses to his football teams.

sorry, but there is no diss here:

Originally Posted by macul
You can only win so many shootouts before it comes back to bite you in the ass. USC needs to invest in a defense.

[Dreadstar]

sorry, but there is no diss here:

*Perceived* diss, bfrank.

The point is you have to take into account Punchy's perception of the post.

[Corrina]

Quite a few sadly. While McNair can scramble, I stand by statement that he never was the same threat when he ran with the ball that Vince Young is.

From NFL.com:

He (McNair) leads all NFL QBs in rushing since he came into the league in 1995 with 3,300 ground yards, which places him sixth on the team’s all-time list. Only Donovan McNabb (2,459), Daunte Culpepper (2,329) and Michael Vick (2,223) have more than McNair’s 1,860 rushing yards since 1999.

*************
And those 1,860 rushing yards have come when McNair's been hurt, too. Now, if you're saying he wasn't the rushing threat in college that Vince Young is now, I don't disagree with that. I'm talking McNair as a pro.

McNair has also been a mentor to Vince Young. They talk frequently. Which sets me thinking about the top picks. If Houston wants Bush and the Saints want Leinert, do the Titans want Young, if he comes out, as McNair's successor?

And, if so, would they trade Billy Volek? If they did, they still might get something in the draft besides Young. There are teams that want Volek.

That's if Young comes out and he lasts until #3. I think he should. I used to think an education was more important but with the money thrown at draft picks over the last few days, forget it. Take the money and run, finish the degree later.

Watching the game last night, I wonder if LenDale White might be more of an impact player in the pros than Reggie Bush.

The question now becomes whether the Houston Texans should trade that top pick for bodies. Given how many teams are now going to want Young or Bush, I bet they could get a lot for it and it might be the way to go.

The Saints, I'd guess, would pick a quarterback. They really need one.

[Dennis K]

From NFL.com:

He (McNair) leads all NFL QBs in rushing since he came into the league in 1995 with 3,300 ground yards, which places him sixth on the team’s all-time list. Only Donovan McNabb (2,459), Daunte Culpepper (2,329) and Michael Vick (2,223) have more than McNair’s 1,860 rushing yards since 1999.


To which I say... so what? McNair and Culpepper can scramble (at least Culpepper used to) but neither of them were what I would consider real threats to score a touchdown every time they took off with the ball, they just don't have that kind of breakaway speed that Young and Vick possess.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

From NFL.com:

He (McNair) leads all NFL QBs in rushing since he came into the league in 1995 with 3,300 ground yards, which places him sixth on the team’s all-time list. Only Donovan McNabb (2,459), Daunte Culpepper (2,329) and Michael Vick (2,223) have more than McNair’s 1,860 rushing yards since 1999.

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And those 1,860 rushing yards have come when McNair's been hurt, too. Now, if you're saying he wasn't the rushing threat in college that Vince Young is now, I don't disagree with that. I'm talking McNair as a pro.

McNair has also been a mentor to Vince Young. They talk frequently. Which sets me thinking about the top picks. If Houston wants Bush and the Saints want Leinert, do the Titans want Young, if he comes out, as McNair's successor?

And, if so, would they trade Billy Volek? If they did, they still might get something in the draft besides Young. There are teams that want Volek.

That's if Young comes out and he lasts until #3. I think he should. I used to think an education was more important but with the money thrown at draft picks over the last few days, forget it. Take the money and run, finish the degree later.

Watching the game last night, I wonder if LenDale White might be more of an impact player in the pros than Reggie Bush.

The question now becomes whether the Houston Texans should trade that top pick for bodies. Given how many teams are now going to want Young or Bush, I bet they could get a lot for it and it might be the way to go.

The Saints, I'd guess, would pick a quarterback. They really need one.


The Saints have worked the Draft and losing to an art to get a QB. I'm sure if Young comes out thier gonna be in a tough position. There is Young who is pretty much a great QB who could become an awesome Pro. Or Lienhart who besides 1 bad College game is pretty much a QB many teams would take for his 2 National Championships.

Also don't forget the Jets who if they do make the deal with Kansas City for Herm Edwards will get a few more picks to bargin with. They need a QB and RB. So I can see them if Young or Lienhart is there...taking him. Thier in a rebuilding phase and the deal for Edwards helps em.

[Punchy]

given his comment, the snark here doesn't make sense....

I had a great laugh at that game....

He said "you can only win so many shootouts"

That makes no sense seeing as how SC has won two national championships and had one of the longest winning streaks in the history of NCAA football. If 34 for straight wins means "only so many" then I think they did a-okay.

It does when you consider that Punchy is a USC (amoung others) fan who's a bit touchy about perceived disses to his football teams.

Let's get one thing straight. I am not a USC fan. I'm an alma mater of Ball State University and Western Michigan University. Obviously those schools don't have much to root for as far as football is concerned. But I do indeed root for USC when I watch a game, they are the closest thing we have to a hometown NFL team here in LA.

But if the mighty mighty Ball State Cardinals ever make it to the Rose Bowl against the Trojans I would be pulling for Ball State all the way.

[Dreadstar]

Let's get one thing straight. I am not a USC fan. I'm an alma mater of Ball State University and Western Michigan University. Obviously those schools don't have much to root for as far as football is concerned. But I do indeed root for USC when I watch a game, they are the closest thing we have to a hometown NFL team here in LA.

But if the mighty mighty Ball State Cardinals ever make it to the Rose Bowl against the Trojans I would be pulling for Ball State all the way.


Then I (and bfrank) don't understand your touchy-ness. Mac's point about the defense is spot-on, in fact.

[bfrank]

He said "you can only win so many shootouts"

That makes no sense seeing as how SC has won two national championships and had one of the longest winning streaks in the history of NCAA football. If 34 for straight wins means "only so many" then I think they did a-okay.



Which is correct, in that they lost (last) night.....
It makes perfect sense....

[Ottmeister X]

As incredible as Young played, this game was lost by USC on mental mistakes. Leinart goes for it on 4th and 1 instead of calling time-out and kicking the FG. Reggie Bush's ludicrous lateral/fumble. Carrol's decision to go for it on 4th and 2 instead of punting and potentially making Texas drive the entire field. The horrendous clock management that burned all USC's second half timeouts to no effect.

By this, I don't mean to take anything away from Texas. Overall they played a great game. Apparently they were mentally prepared to play. It's clear that USC wasn't.

I agree with the speed of the game comment. The knee down was obvious on replay, but I didn't find it so obvious in real time. Depends on the ref's angle too. There were guys tackling Young, so maybe the ref's view was blocked enough to be able to make a split-second judgment. Also, with the way Young was playing, my bet is they still score a TD if the call was reversed. I'm also hearing that the replay booth was malfunctioning during that play, which is too bad and you would think proper precautions would be taken to prevent that.

The 4th down call was the right one. The four USC possessions in the 2nd half resulted in TD's, no punts. USC must have been averaging at least 7 to 8 yards per play in the 2nd half, why shouldn't Carroll think he wouldn't get a first down on 4th and 1? They pick it up, game over. He also said they couldn't stop Young, whether he was 50 yards away or 80 yards, so that factored into the decision.

Compared to the Iowa versus Florida game, the officiating was adequate, just not spectacular.

[Dreadstar]

Excuse me for a second, but re: the Young's knee down lateral?

Did they review the play upstairs?

[Winslow]

Excuse me for a second, but re: the Young's knee down lateral?

Did they review the play upstairs?

Nope. Seemed odd to me.

[PeteGunn]

Which is correct, in that they lost (last) night.....
It makes perfect sense....

Again, you can't skate by every other game and expect not to be caught, eventually. Jeez, UCLA did the same thing this year, so it must be something in the (ugh) water!!!

[PeteGunn]

Nope. Seemed odd to me.

They evened it up on the incomplete/interception in the second quarter, which should've been reviewed, too.

Maybe the officials and the replay guys were drinking the (ugh) water, too!

[Slam_Bradley]

Excuse me for a second, but re: the Young's knee down lateral?

Did they review the play upstairs?


There was a throw-away comment by Jackson at some point later on that the replay equipment was malfunctioning. That is what Otto is alluding too. You'd think they'd have expounded on it because it was a big deal.

[Slam_Bradley]

The 4th down call was the right one. The four USC possessions in the 2nd half resulted in TD's, no punts. USC must have been averaging at least 7 to 8 yards per play in the 2nd half, why shouldn't Carroll think he wouldn't get a first down on 4th and 1? They pick it up, game over. He also said they couldn't stop Young, whether he was 50 yards away or 80 yards, so that factored into the decision.



And I disagree with that. There is a HUGE difference between going 50 yards and 80 yards or, if the punt is a dilly, 90+ yards. Particularly given the limited time left on the clock. Also, Pete Carroll is supposed to be a defensive guy. He showed no faith in his defense or in himself. Given the fact that they'd missed a crucial 4th & 1 earlier, the obvious call was to make them march the field.

[Dennis K]

And I disagree with that. There is a HUGE difference between going 50 yards and 80 yards or, if the punt is a dilly, 90+ yards. Particularly given the limited time left on the clock. Also, Pete Carroll is supposed to be a defensive guy. He showed no faith in his defense or in himself. Given the fact that they'd missed a crucial 4th & 1 earlier, the obvious call was to make them march the field.


Devil's advocate time.

You say Carroll didn't show any in his defense or in himself, I say he was showing the utmost confidence in his offense. You don't win 34 games in a row by being unsure of yourself or your team. White had been on fire that game and I can certainly understand why he felt like going for it was the right call. Where he made a mistake was not having Bush on the field. By not having Bush on the field he was giving the Texas defense one less thing to be concerned about. In the second half neither one of the defenses were playing very well either, so I'm sure that was a contributing factor in his decision, plus, if they do go for it and make it, the game's over, so there was no obvious call to make. Carroll made the aggressive call but it didn't pan out.

[Ottmeister X]

There was a throw-away comment by Jackson at some point later on that the replay equipment was malfunctioning. That is what Otto is alluding too. You'd think they'd have expounded on it because it was a big deal.

I heard that too, but on the Dan Patrick show today they confirmed that the replay booth was having some technical difficulties. Dan and Keith then criticized the officials for not having a backup system should the main system fail during a game.

[cable guy]

Excuse me for a second, but re: the Young's knee down lateral?

Did they review the play upstairs?

They said Texas got the extra point off to quickly. :rolleyes:

[Crud]

I can't believe Texas won but its all good!

[Punchy]

Then I (and bfrank) don't understand your touchy-ness. Mac's point about the defense is spot-on, in fact.

Which is correct, in that they lost (last) night.....
It makes perfect sense....

I would venture to say that USC's 34-game winning streak is the mark of a very well-designed and well-coached team. Not a team only capable of winning shootouts with no defense. I don't see how such a winning streak would be possible with no defense.

Add that to the fact that Tatupu and Palomaloo came from those USC teams and I think it's easy to say that the team has had some good defense.

[macul]

You're right. No wonder this program hasn't won a national title.

I didn't say you couldn't win games without it. However, I'd rather have a much more balanced team. A good defense will, more often than not, beat a good offense.

[macul]

He said "you can only win so many shootouts"

That makes no sense seeing as how SC has won two national championships and had one of the longest winning streaks in the history of NCAA football. If 34 for straight wins means "only so many" then I think they did a-okay.



Let's get one thing straight. I am not a USC fan. I'm an alma mater of Ball State University and Western Michigan University. Obviously those schools don't have much to root for as far as football is concerned. But I do indeed root for USC when I watch a game, they are the closest thing we have to a hometown NFL team here in LA.

But if the mighty mighty Ball State Cardinals ever make it to the Rose Bowl against the Trojans I would be pulling for Ball State all the way.

Correction. USC has won one national title. This is something that is really annoying. LSU won the title two years ago. Not USC.

[macul]

punchy, if it makes you feel any better, I've said the same thing about UGA (only in reverse, if that makes sense). UGA plays defense, but our offense is usually lacking. They have the ability, but Richt likes to play it conservative. Sometimes playing that way bites us in the ass (reference UT two years ago and UF this year).

[macul]

ok, so I thought I heard Jackson (or maybe Fouts) refer to Pete Carrol as one of the greatest defensive coordinators of all time last night. Did my ears deceive me, or did he really say that? And if so, WHY???!!! What great defensive teams has Carrol consistently fielded?

[macul]

Add that to the fact that Tatupu and Palomaloo came from those USC teams and I think it's easy to say that the team has had some good defense.

Easy. UGA's entire 2000 defensive team played (or still plays) in the NFL. Our defense was horrendous that year.

[Winslow]

Correction. USC has won one national title. This is something that is really annoying. LSU won the title two years ago. Not USC.

I thought it was split between LSU and USC?

LSU won the BCS.

USC won the AP

Edit:

Yup

Check here:

http://www.hickoksports.com/history/cfchamps.shtml#1989

[Dreadstar]

I thought it was split between LSU and USC?

It depends on which one you accept as gospel.

And the one you accept as gospel depends on whether or not it has your team #1.

Simple, really. That's why USC can one thing and LSU can say another, and neither are really wrong, per se.

[Slam_Bradley]

I didn't say you couldn't win games without it. However, I'd rather have a much more balanced team. A good defense will, more often than not, beat a good offense.


You'd rather have a "balanced team" than 34 straight wins and 1 1/2 National Championships?

[phoenixrising]

You'd rather have a "balanced team" than 34 straight wins and 1 1/2 National Championships?

I think what he's saying is backed up somewhat by Slate (http://www.slate.com/id/2133477/)

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I don't care what anyone says in the News or what a sports columnist says. I'd rather take the team thats a Champion . Yeahh...USC lost..but hell lets look at this. 1 & Half Champions....34 game win streak. 2 Hiesman winners to boot. Maybe its me but I don't find fault at all in USC.

Thats like the moron yelling at Lienhart telling him he hopes he enjoys losing in New Orleans. I mean really ? Do you really think Matt Lienhart who has piloted a 34 game win streak and has won a Hiesman will let it hurt him ? No...he'll move on and he still has a brillant College career to look back on.

[Slam_Bradley]

I think what he's saying is backed up somewhat by Slate (http://www.slate.com/id/2133477/)


I'm not sure this backs up much of anything. If he wanted to say that USC was overrated, I might not disagree with him. If he wanted to say that they got too much hoopla, I'd probably agree with him.

But he said he'd prefer more "balance." I say that if it was a choice between "balance" and the Georgia Bulldogs winning 34 straight and 1 1/2 National Championships he'd change his tune to the latter in a heartbeat.

[PeteGunn]

I'm not sure this backs up much of anything. If he wanted to say that USC was overrated, I might not disagree with him. If he wanted to say that they got too much hoopla, I'd probably agree with him.



There's too much hoopla with everything now. There's historical significance with every other game and somebody or some team is declared the "greatest ever".

[Rasputin]

There's too much hoopla with everything now. There's historical significance with every other game and somebody or some team is declared the "greatest ever".

Kind of like ESPN's premature "Best Team Ever" segments comparing USC to all-time great teams when they had yet proven to be (and are not) the best team in 2005. It is a media thing that is overdone to death.

[bfrank]

Again, you can't skate by every other game and expect not to be caught, eventually. Jeez, UCLA did the same thing this year, so it must be something in the (ugh) water!!!
My poor Bruins....they'll get it together one day....on the plus side, we never lost to them while I was there....

[Brian M.]

Ok this has been making me mad for a while so I gotta vent on it. Before last night people were talking about USC going for a 3-peat. I'm sorry but when the fuck did they win two titles? They have won ONE TITLE, that was the 2004-2005 season. The year before that it was LSU. When you pump the BCS bullshit down our throats saying that it is the definitive national title game you can't go and chance the rules b/c the team you love was left out of it in 2003. The AP is not suppose to be the OFFICAL title granter, the BCS is. If you are going to change the rules than get rid of the BCS. The last 3 years have had different champs, LSU, USC and TEXAS. It was not USC, USC, TEXAS. FUCK USC, FUCK BCS and FUCK UGA.

University of Tennessee 2006 SEC Champs, 2007 National Champs. Just wait and see.

[Hiromi]

University of Tennessee 2006 SEC Champs, 2007 National Champs. Just wait and see.

Can we not speak of Tennessee for the present? The wounds are still raw.

[Slam_Bradley]

Ok this has been making me mad for a while so I gotta vent on it. Before last night people were talking about USC going for a 3-peat. I'm sorry but when the fuck did they win two titles? They have won ONE TITLE, that was the 2004-2005 season. The year before that it was LSU. When you pump the BCS bullshit down our throats saying that it is the definitive national title game you can't go and chance the rules b/c the team you love was left out of it in 2003. The AP is not suppose to be the OFFICAL title granter, the BCS is. If you are going to change the rules than get rid of the BCS. The last 3 years have had different champs, LSU, USC and TEXAS. It was not USC, USC, TEXAS. FUCK USC, FUCK BCS and FUCK UGA.

University of Tennessee 2006 SEC Champs, 2007 National Champs. Just wait and see.


Nobody is the official title granter. Nobody ever has been. If I have my way nobody ever will be. Such is the greatness of college football.

[Brian M.]

Can we not speak of Tennessee for the present? The wounds are still raw.

Trust me I know, it's hard being on campus, but alteast we have basketball, both men and women are doing great.

[Brian M.]

Nobody is the official title granter. Nobody ever has been. If I have my way nobody ever will be. Such is the greatness of college football.

But when you have the 4 major bowls, the networks, the college presidents all succumbing to the BCS as the offical system to use for a title than have USC finish #1 in the AP in 2003-2004 and you call them the national champ and not LSU, how is that not hypocritical ?

[Dreadstar]

Nobody is the official title granter. Nobody ever has been. If I have my way nobody ever will be. Such is the greatness of college football.
Thus speaketh the wise man.

[Slam_Bradley]

But when you have the 4 major bowls, the networks, the college presidents all succumbing to the BCS as the offical system to use for a title than have USC finish #1 in the AP in 2003-2004 and you call them the national champ and not LSU, how is that not hypocritical ?


There is no "championship" recognized by the NCAA for Division 1-A football. Never has been. There have been at least 13 different organizations that have declared "national champions" over the years. Since 1889 they have been split in some manner 52 times. If you want to go with just the big boys (AP and UPI/ESPN) there have been 14 splits since 1949.

The fact that the media made something "official" means the some total of jack squat. Until and unless there is a championship that is sanctioned by the NCAA the is no "official" champion. There may be consensus champions or, like 2003, there may not.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Well its not like the BCS didn't screw other teams over. West Virginia deserved a better ranking but alas......they didn't get it. Its not like the BCS or AP Polls are perfect. Crap happens.

My cousin got pissed because Virgina Tech took a tumble down. This after telling me how VT would take USC down once they got to the bowl. I was cheering for Notre Dame in a rematch so he kept tellin me how awesome VT was gonna be against USC.

Man...some things are just ironic aren't they ?

[Slam_Bradley]

Thus speaketh the wise man.


What can I say. I turned on the Granddaddy and USC wasn't playing Ohio State like they oughter have been.

[Valmore]

Hey, last season, I dubbed Auburn the National Champions. The only problem was I didn't have enough money for a trophy and postage. ;)

There's no real NCAA Div-I champion in football, not one recognized by the organization, anyway. Frankly, since there's never going to be a playoff system, I'd be all for scrapping the BCS and going back to the traditional bowl match-ups.

[Valmore]

What can I say. I turned on the Granddaddy and USC wasn't playing Ohio State like they oughter have been.

Don't you mean Penn State? Rose Bowl rules state that the last team who hasn't been to the Rose Bowl goes in case of a tie. Ohio State last played in 1997; Penn State in 1995. Hence, Penn State would have gotten the Rose Bowl nod.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Hey, last season, I dubbed Auburn the National Champions. The only problem was I didn't have enough money for a trophy and postage. ;)

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I've decided that Kansas City will be Super Bowl Champions. In fact I called the USA Today to make this annoucement and the bastards hung up on me ! Don't they realize who I am ?? If I say it....it should be DONE.

Think I'll call up the New York Times. They need some news and its not like they'll worry about it bein legit. ;)

[Valmore]

I've decided that Kansas City will be Super Bowl Champions. In fact I called the USA Today to make this annoucement and the bastards hung up on me ! Don't they realize who I am ?? If I say it....it should be DONE.

Think I'll call up the New York Times. They need some news and its not like they'll worry about it bein legit. ;)

Problem being that the NFL has an established playoff system that doesn't "declare" a winner - they play it out on the field. ;)

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Problem being that the NFL has an established playoff system that doesn't "declare" a winner - they play it out on the field. ;)


Damn.....I can always claim horrible teams make it like Jacksonville and Tampa if they go. That I've declared a winner instead of watchin em play.

[Punchy]

Correction. USC has won one national title. This is something that is really annoying. LSU won the title two years ago. Not USC.

They split. People would be saying the same thing about LSU if they were in the same situation.

punchy, if it makes you feel any better, I've said the same thing about UGA (only in reverse, if that makes sense). UGA plays defense, but our offense is usually lacking. They have the ability, but Richt likes to play it conservative. Sometimes playing that way bites us in the ass (reference UT two years ago and UF this year).

Well I think the Trojans have had a very good D over the past couple of years, this year they were definately undersized compared to Texas but they were still good.



I've been doing errands and listening to talk radio all day and I wanted to pass along something about the Rose Bowl that you probably haven't heard about. Every SC fan I've heard call in had nothing but good things to say about all of the Longhorn fans. They acted well during the tailgating and were gracious winners. So there you go.

What a great end to the bowl season this was. I thought the Fiesta Bowl was going to bet the best of the year then the Rose Bowl topped it by far. One for the ages for sure.

[Hiromi]

One of the big factors about the game was how well Texas traveled, USC had little to no home field advantage.

[Guts/Batman]

They split. People would be saying the same thing about LSU if they were in the same situation.

In the human polls, LSU was the BCS Champion.

[Phrozen]

One of the big factors about the game was how well Texas traveled, USC had little to no home field advantage.

That is not suprising. USC