Discussion About the Mystery Avenger (11/29 UPDATE: It has been revealed!)

[Brian Cronin]

I hope you folks appreciate this, as I had to carefully go through over a thousand posts to find the appropriate posts for this thread. :)

In any event, this thread is the place for you to speculate and discuss the identity of the mystery Avenger!

Enjoy!

-Brian

[Expletive Deleted]

Here's the actual mention:

Comic Books - Marvel's 'New Avengers' draws on familiar faces

Comic books have been a cash cow for Hollywood for years. Now Tinseltown is repaying the favor.

Hoping to capitalize on the success of several popular comic-book films, including the Spider-Man and X-Men franchises, Marvel Comics is revamping its Avengers comic book to feature heroes who successfully crossed over to the big screen.

Gone from the team are Wasp, Hank Pym and She-Hulk. New cast members, featured here in an exclusive look at the alternative cover to the first edition of the New Avengers, include Spider-Man, Wolverine, Luke Cage, Spider-Woman and Sentry. A "mystery member" is also on the team, but he won't be identified for several issues. Suffice to say he's a Marvel favorite, a Hollywood hit, and the item in his hands is a big clue.

The only holdovers are Captain America and Iron Man, both of whom are favorites of Hollywood: Scripts are being written for both characters.

But don't look for an Avengers film anytime soon, comic book author Brian Bendis says. "We own all the comic-book characters, but different studios own their film rights. An Avengers movie would cost $700 million."

•Scott BowlesThat could very well be referring to Daredevil, but I wouldn't say it's confirmed.

[Expletive Deleted]

Here you go. (http://www.usatoday.com/life/2004-10-21-coming-attractions_x.htm)

That link probably won't last too long, though.

In any case, there's no image and I (probably somewhat unethically) reproduced the entire text above.

[BlackKnight]

Ohh ok LOL thanks, Amazing how even the USA today says that marvel is playing off popular charater for sales.

[Midlands_Comics]

So the guy in the black suit is confirmed as Sentry, and Daredevil is on the team too ?

On second thoughts.........

Anyone for the Punisher ????????

[Flight]

Wouldn't it go against everything Bendis has had Matt Murdock say about never joining the Avengers over in his own title?

[BlackKnight]

Sure it would, but does that matter really... I mean you got Wolverine and Spidey in th comic...

[Expletive Deleted]

Anyone for the Punisher?Or Blade, for that matter.

Really, the statement is vague enough that it could relate to any of Marvel's media properties, up to and including any of the ones that are in development.

[BlackKnight]

Very true, it still could be anybody.

[tricksterpup]

Bah! The answer is obvious!

http://img88.exs.cx/img88/631/newavengerscopy.jpg

Hello??
Expletive was right from the very Begining.. ITS ALF.. After all he is a big hollywood star and they just release season 1 of his hit series on dvd. Trust me on this, the signs are there.

[static]

A "mystery member" is also on the team, but he won't be identified for several issues. Suffice to say he's a Marvel favorite, a Hollywood hit, and the item in his hands is a big clue.

what the hell is in his hands??? i dont see anything!!!!

its probably daredevil or blade from the "hollywood hit" mention but i dont see any clues in the cover (or in his hands)

Ohh ok LOL thanks, Amazing how even the USA today says that marvel is playing off popular charater for sales.

what??? a company actually stiving to make *gasp* MONEY?!?!?! WTF!?!?
you would think that they are actually organized to make a profit instead of the much more obvious motive of pleasing fanboys sitting in front of there computers in their bathrobes!
if i was crazy i would think that these guys did this for a living and had to pay bills and stuff insted of making purists happy by replaying the same old concepts.

[BlackKnight]

A "mystery member" is also on the team, but he won't be identified for several issues. Suffice to say he's a Marvel favorite, a Hollywood hit, and the item in his hands is a big clue.

what the hell is in his hands??? i dont see anything!!!!

its probably daredevil or blade from the "hollywood hit" mention but i dont see any clues in the cover (or in his hands)

Ohh ok LOL thanks, Amazing how even the USA today says that marvel is playing off popular charater for sales.

what??? a company actually stiving to make *gasp* MONEY?!?!?! WTF!?!?
you would think that they are actually organized to make a profit instead of the much more obvious motive of pleasing fanboys sitting in front of there computers in their bathrobes!
if i was crazy i would think that these guys did this for a living and had to pay bills and stuff insted of making purists happy by replaying the same old concepts.

I am not getting into this again.. I would not say anything, except Bendis and Marvel both claim the oppisite that it was not done to increase sales, can't have it both ways.

[Midlands_Comics]

A "mystery member" is also on the team, but he won't be identified for several issues. Suffice to say he's a Marvel favorite, a Hollywood hit, and the item in his hands is a big clue.

what the hell is in his hands??? i dont see anything!!!!

its probably daredevil or blade from the "hollywood hit" mention but i dont see any clues in the cover (or in his hands)


The guy in the black costume is definitely Sentry. The 'mystery character' doesn't appear for the first few issues. USA Today have seen the variant cover to #1 and it must show the hands of the mystery man

[BlackKnight]

The guy in the black costume is definitely Sentry. The 'mystery character' doesn't appear for the first few issues. USA Today have seen the variant cover to #1 and it must show the hands of the mystery man

Looks like there was a pic. here it is

[protege]

I couldn't make out who was in the picture; good thing USA today is sitting in my driveway. And I'm in My pajamas, thank You very much.

[twilight]

Looks like there was a pic. here it is


thanks blackKnight but its a little small.Any one willing to post a bigger version or tell where i could find one?

[BlackKnight]

When i click on it, if you put your curser over the pic, you should get a little box in the lower right corner that lets you inlarge it... At least mine does.

[Ivan Isaacs]

Looks like there was a pic. here it is

Did Daredevil mate with a Skrull and the Swordsmaster? :confused:
But with this weapons... I think that's definitely DD. Thank god I'm not buying that book.

[tricksterpup]

Hmmm.. Bendis thoughts:
You know, I think I am gonna write the Avengers..
Who should I get have for the team. Well gosh, I write Ultimate spiderman, Daredevil, Alias.. No one is doing power man so no one will know how his character should be written, same thing goes for Sentry. Wow.. I think this will work. I've also wrote The Ultimate wolverine, so I can use him to, he'll just have to grow a goatee in the Avengers though.

My thoughts.. BENDIS STOP BEING SAFE.
Let wolverine grow the goatee

[static]

oh yeah its daredevil all right.......


why the weirds suit?

[tricksterpup]

oh yeah its daredevil all right.......


why the weirds suit?

Because he is blind and doesn't know Fashion.

[Backblast]

Did Daredevil mate with a Skrull and the Swordsmaster? :confused:
But with this weapons... I think that's definitely DD. Thank god I'm not buying that book.

I've decided the same thing. I have read comics off-and-on for 15 years now and Avengers was always one of my very favorite titles. I had dropped it after Busiek left, but the news of "Disassembled" dragged me back in. I picked up #500-502 at my local shop last week and I can honestly say that the slow & senseless plot, the pathetic script, and sufficient but not outstanding artwork make me hesitant to read the New book. Starting over with a #1? Stupid. And the characters who are joining? Bah.

Regarding the sarcastic post about publishers wanting to make money instead of rehashing old storylines, that is fine. I agree that there was no reason for Joe Q. not to let his little buddy Bendis put together a team of Marvel's "Big 7" in response to the success of the current JLA. (And such a very timely concept! Only... what -- 8 years? ... after JLA was a hit.) But why trash Avengers? Why not just call it New Defenders or whatever?

There is a big difference between capitalizing on a wave of publicity (the Marvel movies) and urinating on a title that will NEVER be the Justice League, no matter how hard the (hopefully-unemployed-soon) Quesada hopes it will be. "Hey let's rip out the heart & soul of the Avengers and then replace them with two superstars and then add in some mediocre losers and nobodies like Cage, Sentry, Spider-Woman!"

Clint, Wanda, Vision, Hank and Jan ARE the Avengers. And they always will be. This entire storyline, and the marketing scheme behind it, is ridiculous. Count me out for "New Avengers" ... you'd have to pay ME to read it.

[BlackKnight]

Nope - it isn't. They are in the team because there are movies in production for both characters. I don't think they would be on the team but DD, Punisher or Hulk would if there would be no movie deal.

Avengers (old): Earth' Mightiest Heroes
Avengers (new): Marvel's Mightiest Movie Characters



You are so right but I'll add Simon, too. But they aren't characters that are likely to be made into a movie.

If - like - John Woo would've announced a movie about Hawkeye (One man. Two bows. White doves. :D ) I think Arad would've showed Bendis the door when he came up with the idea to kill Hawkeye.

Your right, about Cap and Iron Man, I guess it is just conveint so marvel can claim they are thowing the Classic fans a bone.. We will see after the movies how much they change.

Oh and you are so right on the Hawkeye thing... Bendis would have been out on his ass if there was a movie deal.

[thetechnocrat]

Looks like there was a pic. here it is

I guess that has to be DD . Either that or Weird Looking Bandagy Sticks Guy.
Personally, I like the latter.

On another note, if they want the movie characters, why not bring the Hulk back? I know his movie wasn't all that great, but he's the Hulk. I wouldn't mind seeing that addition.

[cosmicspidey]

Daredevil...figures. Unless it's the Lethal Weapon Steve Blackman. The only way I'll buy this book is if Bendis puts him on the team.

[Crimson]

Daredevil...figures. Unless it's the Lethal Weapon Steve Blackman. The only way I'll buy this book is if Bendis puts him on the team.

That guy has more charisma then a... cheese. I LIKE IT!

I guess the hand could look like he's holding a walking stick but anyone who knows even just a little about Daredevil will know he's hardly going to let every one know he's blind that easy.

[thetechnocrat]

Daredevil...figures. Unless it's the Lethal Weapon Steve Blackman. The only way I'll buy this book is if Bendis puts him on the team.

Speaking of Lethal Weapon, I wouldn't mind Mr. Joshua (aka Pappas aka Gary Busey). I'd see that in the theater.

[comic_lover]

Item in his hands ? Sounds like a Blade...yeah,this new Avengers team is slowly turning into an advertisement for Action Figures...Oh, wonderful. :( As long as it's not as horrendous as The Batman... :D

[Shellhead]

Maybe Daredevil's freaky new costume is loaded with microcircuitry to help him process the extremely confusing sensory input that he will be getting when fighting in big team versus team combats alongside the Avengers. That was the main reason why DD has generally been a loner, it messes with his super senses too much when a bunch of other super-types are all wielding their powers at once.

Speaking of the freaky new costume, why is nobody complaining about the horrendous artwork in those two covers?

Let's start with the first one, the one without Daredevil. Spider-Woman is the only character that looks good in this picture. Wolverine's mouth looks twice as wide as usual, like he's trying to imitate Apocalypse, sans the lipstick of course. Cap's face looks odd, sort of like a great dane, while Spider-man's head looks very small. Iron Man has had many bad armor designs over the years, but this helmet makes him look like an insect. And while Cage's face is alright, his muscles look weirdly lumpy, like the artist hasn't got the faintest clue about anatomy.

Now the second cover, the one with freaky Daredevil. This picture is a total mess, I don't even know where to start. Okay, how about clockwise from the upper left corner... Spider-Woman's glider wings look all wrong, and her hands shouldn't be glowing unless she is actually in the process of firing a venom blast. Of course, maybe they have revamped her costume and powers, so who knows? Sentry has flabby thighs, and his head looks like it was shrunk by a witchdoctor. And one of his feet has withered even more than his very limited popularity. Spider-man looks better than anybody else in this picture, except that one of his hands has suffered from the same withering effect as Sentry's foot. Must be this issue's villainous gimmick or something.

The front row of this picture actually looks like it was drawn by different artists than whoever drew the back row. It's very jarring, and can possibly be attributed to an artist who doesn't draw perspective very well. Wolverine is apparently using the Pym particles these days to overcome his innate shortness, because he looks as big as Giant-man in this picture.

Captain America looks so awful that he gets his own paragraph. His head looks strangely askew. His overall pose reminds me of the notorious moobs picture drawn by Liefield, I think. At any rate, Cap looks like a blimp here. His shoulder is way too huge compared to his head size... in fact his shield is only twice the size of that shoulder, making the shield look too small. And the armored shirt has that annoying texture that has become so popular with modern Marvel artists.

Iron Man has a shrunken head, too, and this helmet makes it look like he's trying to grow a red armored beard. Overall, his armor looks bloated, and has some strange racing stripes. Daredevil, if that's who this really is, looks like he recently discovered bondage, and then got coated with some kind of fungus. Finally, Cage looks adequate, except that his head is too small, even smaller than his fists. His skin looks too light, like maybe he's been seeing Michael Jackson's dermatologist.

Overall, this artwork is so bad that it might keep me from buying the Avengers if even Busiek was writing it. Maybe that makes me shallow, but I think that comics are a very visual form of entertainment, so we need better artists than the guys that did these covers.

[Doom Hammer]

Hmm. I sorta respected BMB for not using every single damn character from Secret War. Now the booka are the same f@#%ing thing.

If DD's on, thatd actually be sorta cool. Im just pissed that Im payin' $4 for a comic (Secret War) that has the exact same team chemistry that another book has (New Avengers) by the same writer. I guess Dell'Otto's art is worth it, though.

Although it wouldnt fit the clues, the guy in the corner does look like he could be holding a bow and arrow...

But Im reeeeeally reaching now.

[Jake V]

There's no way Daredevil is gonna be on the team, I simply don't believe it. Bendis just wrote a story in DD#65 where Daredevil directly says that he doesnt want to join the Avengers, besides, over on Bendis' board, he said the USA Today article is all a misquote.

[Beamish]

Check out the cover to Avengers #221 - the one with 15 characters pictured for a membership drive that led to She-Hulk joining and Hawkeye rejoining (I'm sure one of you nice people out there with a much better computer than mine can help a brother out and add the cover). Interesting that of the characters pictured, and with the New Avengers about to debut, only Dazzler, Silver Surfer, Doctor Strange, Rom and Black Bolt have not joined - yet. Bendis alone is adding 4 from that cover (Wolverine, Spider Woman and Luke Cage - with Spidey re-joining). Daredevil is also pictured and seems to be a great mystery. Wouldn't it be a hoot if Bendis' plan is to get all of the characters pictured on that cover to be Avengers someday?

[Shellhead]

Check out the cover to Avengers #221 - the one with 15 characters pictured for a membership drive that led to She-Hulk joining and Hawkeye rejoining (I'm sure one of you nice people out there with a much better computer than mine can help a brother out and add the cover). Interesting that of the characters pictured, and with the New Avengers about to debut, only Dazzler, Silver Surfer, Doctor Strange, Rom and Black Bolt have not joined - yet. Bendis alone is adding 4 from that cover (Wolverine, Spider Woman and Luke Cage - with Spidey re-joining). Daredevil is also pictured and seems to be a great mystery. Wouldn't it be a hoot if Bendis' plan is to get all of the characters pictured on that cover to be Avengers someday?

I think you're on to something. Creators sometimes get their greatest inspiration from their earliest experiences. Maybe Bendis was a small child when he got Avengers #221, and he grew up wanting to make an Avengers team using more than two characters from this cover:

http://image2.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/05815547774.221.GIF

Bendis probably was also impressed by Avengers #300:

http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=fullsize&issue=05815547774%20300

[discostu]

maybe the crazy green guy with the sticks is iron fist. he does look martial arts influenced.

[cmdrbond007]

The mystery member has to be Daredevil or Blade... I think USA Today said that the mystery member is a Marvel Comics Hollywood hit... the aforementioned heroes are the only ones that meet those requirements...

[protege]

The mystery member has to be Daredevil or Blade... I think USA Today said that the mystery member is a <a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=marvel%20comics" onmouseover="window.status='Marvel Comics'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">Marvel Comics</a> Hollywood hit... the aforementioned heroes are the only ones that meet those requirements...
Was Daredevil considered a "hit?"

[Expletive Deleted]

Bendis (http://www.imagecomics.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?p=968519#968519) claims that the USA Today article misquoted him.

i'll tell you one thing.

its cool to be in usatoday and all... and i hope some new people come into a comic store, but...

a 45 minute interview distilled down to a misquote. i didn't say one word of that. yippee yahoo.

[Crimson]

Wheres this cover with clubs?

The one I've seen Bubble Boy has nothing in his hands

[RonnieThunderbolts]

Wheres this cover with clubs?

The one I've seen Bubble Boy has nothing in his hands

I've seen the cover pic, and they aren't clubs... they're nunchaku...

[X.U.E.]

So far we have seen covers with Green Nanchaku Guy, and Bubble Boy, so maybe the mystery member wears a different costume in every issue, to disguise his real superhero identity.

[zonzorp]

Bendis (http://www.imagecomics.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?p=968519#968519) claims that the USA Today article misquoted him.
i'll tell you one thing.

its cool to be in usatoday and all... and i hope some new people come into a comic store, but...

a 45 minute interview distilled down to a misquote. i didn't say one word of that. yippee yahoo.
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BENDIS!

If the average plumber were as competent as the average journalist, civilization would collapse.

[Darth Jacob]

I think it might be an armored version of daredevil.

[Colossus]

Anyone think there is a chance it could be Danny Rand?

[Brian Cronin]

Anyone think there is a chance it could be Danny Rand?

Would make sense, as they are doing a movie based on him.

-Brian

[Expletive Deleted]

Would make sense, as they are doing a movie based on him.And Luke Cage is on the team.

C'mon, what's Power Man without Iron Fist?

[Optimus]

USA Today, I think it was last Friday's, ran a small blurb on the cover of the living section about it. Showed the cover. They said the mystery character was 1): A 'Marvel Favorite', 2) said the things in his hands are a BIG hint, and 3) 'a hollywood hit'.

Which leads me to believe that it is Daredevil.

EDIT, I just re-looked at the picture. That's not the one USA today had. It had all those characters, and Sentry, and Wolverine was in the bottom right corner and he was in shadows. And the mystery character was holding two sticks that could have been Nunchucks or .... a billy club?

Here's the link (http://www.usatoday.com/life/2004-10-21-coming-attractions_x.htm) it doesn't show the pic though.

[tricksterpup]

USA Today, I think it was last Friday's, ran a small blurb on the cover of the living section about it. Showed the cover. They said the mystery character was 1): A 'Marvel Favorite', 2) said the things in his hands are a BIG hint, and 3) 'a hollywood hit'.

Which leads me to believe that it is Daredevil.

EDIT, I just re-looked at the picture. That's not the one USA today had. It had all those characters, and Sentry, and Wolverine was in the bottom right corner and he was in shadows. And the mystery character was holding two sticks that could have been Nunchucks or .... a billy club?

Here's the link (http://www.usatoday.com/life/2004-10-21-coming-attractions_x.htm) it doesn't show the pic though.

If it is him in that outfit I would rather see this one instead, the black Armor outfit.
http://www.manwithoutfear.com/costumes/ddarmor_tn.jpg

[BlackKnight]

It is either DD or Iron Fist, I lean to DD... and yes the cosutem is horrible not matter who it is.

[protege]

You know, now that i think on it, iron first WOULD make more sense than DD- the only red herring is that the guy in the picture is holding some kind of weapon, and IF doen't need one.

[Will.S]

If it's Iron Fist, I hope he gets a costume change, preferably the costume he wore in Heroes for Hire later on. The group needs alittle green.

[Titanium]

The mystery man is Blade.

[Captain Shady]

Why can't it be Elektra? Know nothing about her recently but she is a Hollywood "hit" and another female.

[Will.S]

Ok so we narrowed it down to Blade, Daredevil, Iron Fist and Elektra.

Blade, DD and Elektra were hits with Blade being moreso than the others so I guess that would eliminate Iron Fist.

Dammit, this mystery character along with the Sentry and the group's dynamic are already making me want the title more.

[Captain Shady]

Why do it halfway?

If been wondering this for a while, if Bendis wants to use all the big names, the team should be:

Hulk
Cap
Spiderman
Daredevil
Wolverine
Iron Man (or Thor)
-Insert Token Female or two (Elecktra, Spider Woman)

He's already shown he's going to go to great lengths to use some of these people so why stop there, why not make it a true Hollywood squad.

I'm haven't made up my mind on my feelings on the new team though I am excited to see it in action. However, if the Hollywood Avengers is what he's going for why not make it a true sliver-screen all star team?

[The Shadow]

why not make it a true Hollywood squad.
Everybody forgets about poor Blade!

(Yes I know the Punisher has a movie as well)

[Den]

I suspect Daredevil but I'd prefer Iron Fist. Come on Danny.

[Brian Cronin]

I have now changed my pick to Elektra.

So there can be more than ONE woman on the team.

-Brian

[truepower]

I think it could be cool if it was electra, but I think you'd have to be totally ignorant about anatomy to think a bootylicious electra could um, suppress her foreward facing assets enough to squeeze into that body armor

[Brian Cronin]

I think it could be cool if it was electra, but I think you'd have to be totally ignorant about anatomy to think a bootylicious electra could um, suppress her foreward facing assets enough to squeeze into that body armor

Not if it's a placeholder costume! :)

-Brian

[Steeven]

Why do it halfway?

If been wondering this for a while, if Bendis wants to use all the big names, the team should be:

Hulk
Cap
Spiderman
Daredevil
Wolverine
Iron Man (or Thor)
-Insert Token Female or two (Elecktra, Spider Woman)

He's already shown he's going to go to great lengths to use some of these people so why stop there, why not make it a true Hollywood squad.

I'm haven't made up my mind on my feelings on the new team though I am excited to see it in action. However, if the Hollywood Avengers is what he's going for why not make it a true sliver-screen all star team?

Because that's not the team he wanted.

If he was truly going for the full on gimmick, he would have gone that route.

[Brian R]

We all know there is a mystery 8th member of the New Avengers, but nobody is saying who it is, or even hinting at it. So, what do you guys think?

[Your Imaginary Pal]

If we told you, it wouldn't be a mystery would it.
But on the other hand, i dn't know.

[tricksterpup]

Now...the mystery Avenger- Blade, DD or Elektra? Or maybe Hawkeye?
Its
http://alf.nuernberg.bei.t-online.de/photos/alf.jpeg

[Rich L]

Its
http://alf.nuernberg.bei.t-online.de/photos/alf.jpeg

LOL

You're not giving up hope, are you?!? :)

[tricksterpup]

LOL

You're not giving up hope, are you?!? :)
Hope is all I have..
http://faitmaison.free.fr/amgl/images/alf.gif

Alf for the Avengers..

[olympichero62]

I can't even guess.

[olympichero62]

Firestar maybe. Another mutant. Female.

[We R. Venom]

I can't even guess.

thats me, i accidently signed on as him.

[We R. Venom]

Firestar maybe. Another mutant. Female.

also me again. She'd be nice but were going for new so maybe...elektra, though I hate her or...

[comic_lover]

...just got it from a darn good source..it's Daredevil.You won't find that out though for quite a few issues.Go figure.

[Flight]

I'm sure there wouldn't be a complaint in the house if it was:

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/spotlight/havok-bigcostume5.jpg

[Schmakt]

I think it's the B.A.T.s robot from G.I. Joe... anybody remember that thing? :)

[The Shadow]

...just got it from a darn good source..it's Daredevil.You won't find that out though for quite a few issues.Go figure.
who's your "good source"?

Sadly most people will be skeptical of this (not because you are a liar) but because we've seen too many red herrings on stuff like this before

[spEEdy]

The mystery Avengers is either:
Shang Chi, Master of Kung Fu/ Iron Fist/ or a New White Tiger

read it here
New Avenger (http://www.newsarama.com/pages/Marvel/New_Avenegrscvrs.htm)

[BlackKnight]

That is just a rumour.. they even state they are not sure...

[Colossus]

More and more I am starting to believe it is Danny Rand. He has appeared in DD, and Secret War, plus Marvel just released an Essential Iron Fist recently. Plus he and Luke just go together.

[tricksterpup]

More and more I am starting to believe it is Danny Rand. He has appeared in DD, and Secret War, plus Marvel just released an Essential Iron Fist recently. Plus he and Luke just go together.

I think you are right.. it sounds much better than Daredevil. I don't think DD will disguise himself but then again, Bendis may do something in regular DD.

http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/NewAvengers/NEWAVN004a_600.jpg

[BlackKnight]

I hope it is Iron Fist, but I wish they had just left him in his regular costume.

[tricksterpup]

I hope it is Iron Fist, but I wish they had just left him in his regular costume.
Nah, I kinda like the Asian armor look.. It fits more for IF than it does to DD.

[BlackKnight]

Well I agree that it fits IF much more then DD.

[TheGoldenAvenger]

I prefer his old costume as well and yes he is much better than Daredevil.

[Will.S]

It looks a bit complicated to draw. It looks stylistically more like a masked Shang Chi But yeah I hope it's Iron Fist.

[Jake V]

Oh please let that be true, I would LOVE that.

Bendis has said that he'd REALLY want to do a Moon Knight book, and he's been sorta prominent in the last few issues of Avengers (no speaking parts, but he was in the front row in the big splash page).

I'd LOVE to see Moon Knight again.

[Rich L]

I'd love to see Moon Knight too...but I'd rather see a relaunch of the Marvel Knights book along the lines of the first volume, with him funding a street level team - interestingly though, Cage was on that team too...

[Slayven]

I say speedball

[Captain]

I'd love to see Moon Knight too...but I'd rather see a relaunch of the Marvel Knights book along the lines of the first volume, with him funding a street level team - interestingly though, Cage was on that team too...

Moon Knight sticks around for a few arcs, just long enough to gain/regain fan interest, before splitting off and getting his own MK title. :D

Come on, what would the JLAvengers be without their very own Bat-Knight?

[truepower]

I think it's iron fist. just because of the colors. I dunno, could be wrong.

[Nightcrawler]

Does anyone have any idea who that mysterious new Avenger wearing all black and holding num-chucks is? Could it possibly be Iron Fist, Black Panther, or the Master of Kun-Fu? I have heard some ideas as ridicoulous as Hawkeye in disguise.

But why he would hide from his own team...

Any ideas, thoughts or insights?

[DDM]

The mystery character is more hype to get people to buy New Avengers #1. The mystery character is Mister Green Jeans & his sidekick Mr. Moose. Bunny Rabbit's not far behind.

[Deathstroke]

So far the one guess I've seen the most is Iron Fist.

[Titanium]

The green to the suit makes me think Iron Fist, but then what'd be the point of such a stupid costume?

However, the idea of the hero hiding his identity, makes me think Shang Chi since Shang Chi is supposed to be faking his own death to avoid his archnenemy. Hiding out in costume would protect his identity, and he has been known to wear green.

[Kirk G]

Does anyone have any idea who that mysterious new Avenger wearing all black and holding num-chucks is? Could it possibly be Iron Fist, Black Panther, or the Master of Kun-Fu? I have heard some ideas as ridicoulous as Hawkeye in disguise.

But why he would hide from his own team...

Any ideas, thoughts or insights?

Sure...
What if he were injured so badly during the crash of the Kree cruiser ship back in #503 that he must wear this body suit to keep from grossing out his team mates? What if this suit is the prescribed medical suit that the Kree use for healing?

That certainly would put the ol' stan lee twist on a tragic hero... al la Thing, Iron Man and Bruce Banner.... the hero must hide behind a suit or device to protect (himself, themselves, lives)....and can never be seen without it!

Think about it. (Dr. Doom fits this pattern also...)

[Will.S]

The mystery character is more hype to get people to buy New Avengers #1. The mystery character is Mister Green Jeans & his sidekick Mr. Moose. Bunny Rabbit's not far behind.
Thank you Mr. Broken Record, your dislike for the New Avengers title is duly noted.

BTW I think the topic has been discussed numerous times in like what? 2 other threads?

[DDM]

Thank you Mr. Broken Record, your dislike for the New Avengers title is duly noted.

BTW I think the topic has been discussed numerous times in like what? 2 other threads?

The point is it really doesn't matter who the mystery character is since this is a marketing ploy for people to buy New Avengers #1. "Chaos" & the Avengers Finale gave no foreshadowing on the mystery character (hence, no true character development). Therefore, yes, this is yet another gimmick to pull in readers. A pity the gimmick won't substain any readers for long term. Gimmicks do that much the same as bubble gum: You savor the taste for several minutes, but then the taste fades until you must eat more. Reboot until your heart's content. The mystery character is a red herring at best.

[Will.S]

The point is it really doesn't matter who the mystery character is since this is a marketing ploy for people to buy New Avengers #1. "Chaos" & the Avengers Finale gave no foreshadowing on the mystery character (hence, no true character development). Therefore, yes, this is yet another gimmick to pull in readers. A pity the gimmick won't substain any readers for long term. Gimmicks do that much the same as bubble gum: You savor the taste for several minutes, but then the taste fades until you must eat more. Reboot until your heart's content. The mystery character is a red herring at best.Your opinion of "Chaos" is your own but:

1)Chaos is done.

2)The mystery Avenger is only among many of the reasons I want to read the Avengers as an Avengers fan.

3)You or I haven't read the title yet.

4)Continuing the whole "gimmick" card in what seems to be in as many threads as you can possibly post in makes you out to be nothing more than a board troll to me. It's odd, you're usually what I would call a "good poster" on the X-Boards as well as here when it comes to general comic knowledge and beyond but your ongoing protest to this title has become a little tiring.

Maybe I should just put you on ignore or something but I never result to that as I think some people can at least act reasonably towards change. Perhaps that was my mistake.

5)Yes, well all know it's a "gimmick" but then again welcome to the real world.

[T Rath]

It's Daredevil.

USA Today said the character is one that had a hit movie (yeah, I know Daredevil was no hit, but we are talking about the Marvel hype machine). Plus we're talking about Bendis, who basically writes the same characters in every book he does.

Isn't new Avengers just basically Secret Wars?

[Rene]

Since the new lineup is somewhat similar to that of Secret Wars I got a lame theory on who it is!

Maybe its Nick Fury! :D

[Smarty Jones]

The mystery character is Daredevil. Given the fiasco Matt Murdock has made of his secret identity, he wants to continue fighting crime without being such a distraction. Thus, the new suit and new steelo. The nunchakus are not a problem, since DD was trained by Stick as a youngster.

If it is Daredevil, that will complete the lineup for the BendisVengers.

[mattbib]

Yeah, I'm betting on Daredevil too...maybe even under an alias. Someone mentioned "White Tiger" elsewhere.

If it is DD, though, how can he practice law, maintain Hell's Kitchen and be an Avenger? All three seem like full-time jobs. At least Logan's multiple appearances can be chalked up to various events occurring at different times.

[Brian R]

If it IS Daredevil, then its really laughable. I mean, he can give all the excuses he wants for Spidey and Wolvie(even if it is all BS), but what is he gonna pull out of his hat to explain DD on the team?

"Well, with all the turmoil in Matt's life, he thought joining the Avengers would be a good way to kick back and relax, since they basically do nothing but stand around and talk anyway... uh what, thats just when I write them?"

[Sentry]

go to he marvel web site.... there are some pics of the new avengers and some new pics of that guy.... by queseda and some others ....

[The Fury]

That's quite a good design for a costume, in my view, if it is DD or Ironfist.

Here's anotrher thought of who it could be although I have no idea why he'd be wearing a costume/suit like that, and that is Shang-Chi. Maybe.


Of course, I'm still going to say that a new character fits just as well.

[Golden Age Fan]

I think it is Iron First - especially since the GREEN theme seems to be in the colorized version of the new character.

[kalorama]

I'm leaning towards a disguised Daredevil (as depressing as that is). One, as has been pointed out, Bendis is basically populating the book with his personal faves and we know DD is one. Two, it was established back during Miller's run that he his billy club can be configured as nunchukas. Three, the events in his book would necessitate his wearing a disguise if he were to join the Avengers without raining bad P.R. on them. Four, there's no indication of eye holes on that mask, which would present a problem for most other characters, except the Shroud. (Whatever happened to him?)

[Will.S]

I'm not too keen on Daredevil.

kalorama has some good reasoning behind his deduction, I'll give him that.

[BlackKnight]

I'm not too keen on Daredevil.

kalorama has some good reasoning behind his deduction, I'll give him that.

I am totally against DD, but your right kalorama did make some good reasons for it being him.

[kalorama]

Just so we're clear: I'm not in favor of it being Daredevil. But I think it's the most obvious conclusion (which doesn't necessarily make it the right one).

[Mondo Dynamo]

Does anyone really know that the hidden guy is DareDevil?

[The Shadow]

Does anyone really know that the hidden guy is DareDevil?
Nope... total speculation!

[X-Men Forever]

Does anyone really know that the hidden guy is DareDevil?

Nope, but the mystery character is a guy who has appeared in a Marvel Movie, so Daredevil, Punisher, and Blade are the best bets. I say it is Daredevil, but who Knows?

[pureclint]

to add to XMF's post Bendis has said USA today blew the quote

[Knightosis]

In a picture of the team, (No not the one where they're highlighted in
dark shadow) there's a member wearing a helmet. It's not Sentry, in fact
he's not even in the pic at all! Any ideas? (No it's not Iron Man.)

[Knightosis]

The pic is shown in Wizard #158, pg. 38 I believe.

[Paradox]

I know the nunchaku are supposed to be a dead give-away, but I can't see ANY martial artist encumbering themselves with such clunky and restrictive looking armor.

Sigh...it probably IS Daredevil, but unless that outfit is just drawn all wrong, it looks more like a fighting liability than protection.

[kcekada]

Iron Fist?

[Knightosis]

Actually, did they say the new member was an existing Marvel character, or someone brand new?

[Knightosis]

Shang-chi? Nah.....

[Gungrave]

its daredevil it would appear based on the new issue of wizard

[Kirk G]

its daredevil it would appear based on the new issue of wizard
WHAT????

Bendis writing Daredevil into the New Avengers?

Well, I suppose it would follow after Cap made an overture to him offering to help...

He just never thought of it, but now he has...

Second, he no longer has to live at the mansion, nor would he have to maintain two addresses or occupations...he could come and go as he pleases.

Hmmmm??? :confused:

[Gungrave]

in the new wizard its basically sais its daredevil, ill get the text for yous

[Nightcrawler]

I hope it isn't DD.

[Nightcrawler]

I don't really want to see Daredevil as an Avenger. He's always been a loner.

[DDM]

I don't really want to see Daredevil as an Avenger. He's always been a loner.

Yeah, Wolverine, Spider-Man, & the original Spider-Woman are also loners. I see a theme. Bendis is writing characters he's already written in his other books such as Daredevil & Alias. This tells me Bendis is very limited writer without a novel vision. He blew up the Vision in Avengers "Chaos" then made the Scarlet Witch into a deux ex machina. Oh, that's original...:rolleyes:

Hark, Bendis is writing Secret War as the newly minted New Avengers. The only problem is these characters together are not even Avengers given Bendis has stripped the fundamental core of the Avengers concept on the cutting room floor.

Yeah, show me your "director's cut"; I'm sure it's a fatal paper cut.

[Titanium]

Well, if it's daredevil, then it's definately just a book for Bendis to write all his favorite characters together.

Stupid costume for DD too.


I have no problem with Bendis wanting to put his favorites together, but he might as well just done a Defenders title instead and left Avengers alone.

[Will.S]

in the new wizard its basically sais its daredevil, ill get the text for yousYeah the plot for New Avengers #1 was kinda leaked on this issue...

"Electro breaks out every Marvel villain contained at the superhuman prison The Raft. To make things worse, Matt Murdock, Luke Cage, and Spider-Woman are all trapped inside!"

It's pretty much a dead giveaway that the mystery guy is going to be Matt which is disappointing but not too bad of a premise, let's see how well it's pulled off.

[Captain Blitz]

That Martial Arts guy is supposed to be Daredevil? :eek:

Looking at his face he looks more like Kung Fu Kang. :D

[pureclint]

Yeah the plot for New Avengers #1 was kinda leaked on this issue...

"Electro breaks out every Marvel villain contained at the superhuman prison The Raft. To make things worse, Matt Murdock, Luke Cage, and Spider-Woman are all trapped inside!"

It's pretty much a dead giveaway that the mystery guy is going to be Matt which is disappointing but but too bad of a premise, let's see how well it's pulled
off.


Ugh ... Pray it is wrong

[Ryker]

I don't really want to see Daredevil as an Avenger. He's always been a loner.

so were Spiderman and Jessica Drew; last time i checked.

[Dermie]

so were Spiderman and Jessica Drew; last time i checked.

True, but at least Spider-Man has *wanted* to be a team member before, and tends to work well with groups when required.
In a lot of ways, Spidey seems to be a good team player...he just doesn't seem to ever wind up on a team for any length of time.

[The Shadow]

I don't really want to see Daredevil as an Avenger. He's always been a loner.
So was Wolverine when he first appeared, Hawkeye was a loner getting his butt whipped by Iron Man, the Sub-Mariner is a loner too, and yet all have joined the Avengers... I don't think it would be a streach for DD to join.

That being said, I ALSO don't want to see DD! I LIVE the gritty feel his book has and feel him fighting the Skrulls on some other planet would suck.

[Jim Yost]

PS, in a sidebar in the new Wizard, the come right out and say DD is a member. In the article on Bendis, in the timeline explaining how 2004 is his big year (Bendis' 2004 Marvel Hit List)

"NOVEMBER
New Avengers #1 ships, featuring a revolutionary change in the team's lineup. Featuring Spider-Man, Spider-Woman, DAREDEVIL [boldface = mine] and Luke Cage, the issue begins a brand new chapter in Avengers history."

Can't get much clearer than that, and YOU GO, WIZARD! You love Bendis so much you SPOILED HIS WORK 2 MONTHS IN A ROW!!!!!

[EXITAR]

is dd the ninja guy on the cover and what wizard issue does it say it`s him?

[Expletive Deleted]

We don't know, yet. That's why it's a mystery.

The newest issue of Wizard seems to imply that it's him, but I wouldn't say it's rock-solid.

[Grant]

I'm assuming him or Blade.

Also holding out hope for Gilgamesh.

[EXITAR]

I'm assuming him or Blade.

Also holding out hope for Gilgamesh.
I forgot about that one :)

[baldur74]

Man if that is true that sucks. I really like Daredevil but I was hoping it was going to be Iron Fist. I think he is probably the most under used character in the Marvel U. Hopefully, it is just a red herring. Wizard has been know to mess with fans before.

[Smarty Jones]

"Man if that is true that sucks. I really like Daredevil but I was hoping it was going to be Iron Fist. I think he is probably the most under used character in the Marvel U. Hopefully, it is just a red herring. Wizard has been know to mess with fans before."

To an extent, it doesn't matter because both Daredevil and Iron Fist are personal favorites of Brian Michael Bendis.

[HartyPotter]

He could also be Night Thrasher, which would be cool. But considering Bendis writes both Dardevil and Avengers, and there are "changes" to daredevil coming soon, I think he's the favorite in the running.

[Doom Hammer]

According to a Wizard solicit specifically regarding Bendis' work...

"November: New Avengers #1 ships, featuring a revolutionary change in the team's lineup. Featuring Spider-man, Spiderwoman, Daredevil and Luke Cage, the issue begins a brand-new chapter in Avengers history."

So, yes. Aparrently.

By the way, (just to give credit where credit is due), Jim Yost caught that one. I looked it up in Wizard #159 after he pointed it out on another thread, and sure enough, there it was. Didnt want to "steal" his tip-off, just wanted to impart knowledge.

Good catch, Jim.

Edit: *Sigh*, It happened again. This post was originally in a different thread, which is why I repeated the finding. Thats just for those who are confused and think Im an idiot for saying the exact same thing another poster said.

Just to clarify. :o

[Brian Cronin]

I don't think the Wizard issue says that he is the mystery member.

All it says is that he is trapped at the jail with Spider-Woman and Luke Cage.

That's all.

It does seem to LEAN towards saying that he IS, in fact, the mystery Avenger...but since they're making a big deal over the member being a mystery, you'd like to think that they would not blow it in the solicits, right? :)

So I call red herring!!!

-Brian

[Doom Hammer]

I don't think the Wizard issue says that he is the mystery member.

All it says is that he is trapped at the jail with Spider-Woman and Luke Cage.



Youre right. That IS the situation theyre referring to. They didnt come out and say "Daredevil is the new New Avenger".

But I would be surprised if it didnt turn out that way.

[Dermie]

It does seem to LEAN towards saying that he IS, in fact, the mystery Avenger...but since they're making a big deal over the member being a mystery, you'd like to think that they would not blow it in the solicits, right? :)

So I call red herring!!!

-Brian

You are forgetting that Wizard already spoiled the "Wanda is the traitor" mystery, because Avengers #503 was delayed a week so Wizard ended up coming out first.

And guess what--New Avengers #1 was *also* delayed a week, and was supposed to be out the same day as this Wizard. It would not be at all surprising if the same problem happened twice.

[baldur74]

I just read the Wizard post and in my opinion I really dont think this is a red herring. After seeing the presentation in the magazine I am quite confident that the mystery Avenger is Daredevil.

[TopJack]

Daredevil seems to be the favorite guess but could the mystery member in fact be...

Elektra?

Fits the movie criteria. Looks like a martial arts-based character. She also has a film soon to be released and Marvel could capitalize on her exposure without putting out a new title. The designs of the character are totally covered so it could potentially be male or female.

Plus, the roster is a bit thin on estrogen.

Thoughts?

[Brian R]

Its Daredevil. Wish it was Iron Fist, but its not, its definetly Matt.

[Mr. Blue]

Actually, Bendis has said that he was misquoted in that article which has led everyone to conclude that the secret member is Daredevil. Furthermore, the inclusion of Daredevil strikes me as something that would be crossing the line as far as self indulgence goes considering Bendis has already snuck in practically every character he enjoys writing. Also, am I the only one who thinks that the secret characters costume would make no bloody sense if it does turn out to be Daredevil?

[Rene]

Its Foggy Nelson I can tell. The Sentry transfers a portion of his power to him allowing him to do martial arts stuff like use nunchuks. This however results in the creation of a new void, the Foggy Void!

But seriously I doubt its Daredevil what with Matt Murdock showing up in the first issue it just seems to obvious and acts only as a means to throw people off as to the real identity of the mystery avenger.

[baldur74]

If that is the actual costume and not just filler. If the costume is real and based on the colors I would have to go with Iron Fist(I hope). But, I still think it will be Daredevil. Marvel seems to be doing the whole JLA thing with the Avengers, putting the fan favorite characters on one team book. With the addition of Spider Man and Wolverine to a cast that already has Captain America and Iron Man it only makes sense that they add Daredevil next. That would cover all of the bases.

[Brian R]

But seriously I doubt its Daredevil what with Matt Murdock showing up in the first issue it just seems to obvious and acts only as a means to throw people off as to the real identity of the mystery avenger.

Yeah, thats what people said about the theory of Wanda being behind Dissassembled after the first issue. I thought he was being clever too... turns out he was just being transparent, so why couldnt he being doing the same? Besides, someone else posted a viable theory as to why he would be in disguise on another thread. Basically, people are pissed at DD in general, and Matt is trying to convince people he isnt DD, so him becoming some other hero would let him fight crime in peace without worrying about his secret identity.

[HartyPotter]

I hope it's Night Thrasher

[chicainery]

I hope it's Night Thrasher

I'd like to see Darkhawk join the team. But we all can't get what we wish for.

[Crimson]

While its likley its Daredevil I think Bendis might of stuck stuff out there to make it seem like him so he can pull a HUGE twist at the end when one of the bad guys turns to the good side or something.

[Spartan]

I wouldn't be surprised if the secret character is female. Isn't there only one on the known roster?

[Schmakt]

I wouldn't be surprised if the secret character is female. Isn't there only one on the known roster?

yeah, I'd really like it to be another woman as well.

[protege]

While its likley its Daredevil I think Bendis might of stuck stuff out there to make it seem like him so he can pull a HUGE twist at the end when one of the bad guys turns to the good side or something.
then he'd be doing a "thunderbolts" and- it's been done.

[Hipnautik]

Basically, people are pissed at DD in general, and Matt is trying to convince people he isnt DD, so him becoming some other hero would let him fight crime in peace without worrying about his secret identity. I could defiantly see that.

[tricksterpup]

Could it be Speedball??
http://www.mutantsandmasterminds.com/fanart/albums/userpics/10017/normal_Speedball%20loRes.jpg
http://ewancient.lysator.liu.se/pic/fanq/h/u/hunter82/rage_turbo_speedball_copy.gif

[Sheldon]

For speedball I'd buy New Avengers

[DDM]

Could it be Speedball??
http://www.mutantsandmasterminds.com/fanart/albums/userpics/10017/normal_Speedball%20loRes.jpg
http://ewancient.lysator.liu.se/pic/fanq/h/u/hunter82/rage_turbo_speedball_copy.gif


Nope, it looks like Daredevil in a modified costume.

[The Fury]

Looking at that costume (and obvious male physique), I'd have to go with blader74 and say Iron Fist.

I think that Matt Murdock will be more a friend of the team that appears a lot and not actually as DareDevil.

But I'd personally hate it if it was Electra, I don't like her as a character at all. Her ressurection was stupid. She should have stayed dead and why she gets an Ultimate Title when better characters like Cap dont, baffles me? Movie hype indeed.

[Brian Cronin]

I would like Elektra on the team.

The team needs more women!!

-Brian

[Shellhead]

Looking at that costume (and obvious male physique), I'd have to go with blader74 and say Iron Fist.

I think that Matt Murdock will be more a friend of the team that appears a lot and not actually as DareDevil.[/SIZE]

What makes you think that Iron Fist is more manly than Daredevil? Matt's certainly had a lot more action with the ladies.

[TopJack]

I would like Elektra on the team.

The team needs more women!!

-Brian

Here, here.

And I have a gut feeling it will likely be one since there's a dearth of them.

[The Fury]

What makes you think that Iron Fist is more manly than Daredevil? Matt's certainly had a lot more action with the ladies.
Misunderstanding, I'm saying Iron Fist is more manly than the suggest Electra. DD would fit, and might be good, but I'd personally like someone else.

[BlackKnight]

I think it is DD and that would just seal the idea that Joe Q is just letting Bendis have a wet dream with the Avengers.

[tricksterpup]

I think it is DD and that would just seal the idea that Joe Q is just letting Bendis have a wet dream with the Avengers.
Actually I think the Mysterious Avenger is going to be..
http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/d/dialmfor.jpg

[Dermie]

I would like Elektra on the team.

The team needs more women!!

-Brian

I agree the team needs more women (and Bendis has said that there will be at least one more woman) but I really don't want it to be Elektra! Given the current cast, she'd certainly fit--but I really don't want it to be her. I just have no interest at all in the character.
I'd prefer to see a woman with some super-powers, just to help diversify the team's abilities somewhat. I mean, we've already got Cap and "Nunchuck Man" as martial artists/hand-to-hand combat category, and Wolverine basically fits in that category as well. Spidey's swinging and kicking fighting style is pretty similar. Luke Cage is also in the hand-to-hand category, although he is not a martial artist.

[StoneGold]

I agree the team needs more women (and Bendis has said that there will be at least one more woman) .
Princess Powerful!!!

[Den]

I agree the team needs more women (and Bendis has said that there will be at least one more woman) but I really don't want it to be Elektra!

Glad to hear that, I missed that one.

I really don't know why it bothers me so much that there's only one lady. It's not like there should be a quota system or anything, it just seems to limit the group dynamics a bit I guess.

[tricksterpup]

Glad to hear that, I missed that one.

I really don't know why it bothers me so much that there's only one lady. It's not like there should be a quota system or anything, it just seems to limit the group dynamics a bit I guess.

Female characters I would like to see in the Avengers:
Dazzler:
http://www.marveldirectory.com/pics/picsd/dazzler.gif

HellCat
http://www.marveldirectory.com/pics/picsh/hellcat1.gif

Santana:
http://www.marveldirectory.com/pics/picss/satana.gif

MS. Marvel 2:
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/87322062574.35.GIF
Others I would like to see are
Warbird, Black Widow, Firebird and Siryn.

[comic_lover]

Iron Fist. I like it.....but will he be written out of character too ?....and what's up with the " Power Rangers " armor ? :confused:

[Catalyst]

Iron Fist. I like it.....but will he be written out of character too ?....and what's up with the " Power Rangers " armor ? :confused:


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your bird lied to you. recent issue of daredevil, murdock got the white tiger amulet. he's the mystery character.After reading Daredevil #67, I was almost sure that he would don the White Tiger amulets and new disguise to get out of the whole Daredevil mess he's in but then again anything could happen.

Maybe Agent Del Toro(who is tied to the White Tiger) will use the amulets.

[Jake V]

Yeah, it looks as though Del Toro is gonna be the new White Tiger.


If the new member IS gonna be Iron Fist, I think it would be pretty cool. I guess the armor is for protection. I mean, with the last Iron Fist costume, he was literally wearing slippers. If he's gonna be joining up with the New Avengers, he's gotta do something to protect his ass.

[Will.S]

Yeah, it looks as though Del Toro is gonna be the new White Tiger.As a matter of fact, hold that thought. I browsed the Marvel page and saw this...

DAREDEVIL #70

The Story:
"GOLDEN AGE"
The story so epic it needed an extra issue to tell! The shocking conclusion to the Daredevil tale that spans the history of the Marvel Universe. A hero will be born and an empire will fall, bringing an important chapter of the history of Hell's Kitchen to a close. Along with the accompanying image: http://www.marvel.com/catalog/listing.htm?inker=Alex%20Maleev

If the new member IS gonna be Iron Fist, I think it would be pretty cool. I guess the armor is for protection. I mean, with the last Iron Fist costume, he was literally wearing slippers. If he's gonna be joining up with the New Avengers, he's gotta do something to protect his ass.Heheh yeah I mean, look at the last time he wore slippers...

http://tinypic.com/x7les

[Brian R]

I still think its Matt, but MAN would I love it to be Iron Fist instead! I mean, if Bendis is so into his Spidey/Wolvie duo, why not have the original Heroes for Hire? Yeah baby!

[Cayman]

Either Daredevil or Iron Fist would be cool. Both would be fun characters for the group.

Cay

[Brian R]

Either Daredevil or Iron Fist would be cool. Both would be fun characters for the group.

Cay


I have nothing against Matt at all, its just that he just mentioned how he didnt want to join in DD a few months ago, plus NOT picking him would show that Bendis has some form of restraint. :)

[Brian Cronin]

I don't mean to bust your chops too much, comic lover, but I'm sorry, this was just too funny NOT to point out.

...just got it from a darn good source..it's Daredevil.You won't find that out though for quite a few issues.Go figure.

followed later by....

I've heard from a little birdie that the " mystery " character in New Avengers is..Iron Fist. I like it.....but will he be written out of character too ?....and what's up with the " Power Rangers " armor ? :confused:

:D

-Brian

[Brian R]

I don't mean to bust your chops too much, comic lover, but I'm sorry, this was just too funny NOT to point out.



followed later by....



:D

-Brian

You are an evil, evil man Brian Cronin. Come on now, dont you know that the best part of the internet is not being accountable for anything you say past a 24 hour period? We arent running for political office, just speculating on the most minute details of everything imaginable. :)

[discostu]

it's going to be the THING

[Colossus]

I have been trying to think who would be the lamest mystery Avenger, and I think it would tough to top Jean Grey. That would make people both outraged AND disappointed.

[chicainery]

I have been trying to think who would be the lamest mystery Avenger, and I think it would tough to top Jean Grey. That would make people both outraged AND disappointed.

I heard it was going to be Aunt May.

[Cayman]

I don't mean to bust your chops too much, comic lover, but I'm sorry, this was just too funny NOT to point out.



followed later by....



:D

-Brian

Perhaps it's Daredevil and Iron Fist melded together in some sort of sick Firestorm assemblage?

Cay

[Cayman]

I have nothing against Matt at all, its just that he just mentioned how he didnt want to join in DD a few months ago, plus NOT picking him would show that Bendis has some form of restraint. :)

That was just because he didn't want to be in a team with Ant-Man and Captain Britain.

Cay

[Atom_basher]

it is daredevil, i think his motivation for wearing this costume comes in lieu of his identity being revealed, i think he wants to be a hero, but doesnt wanna wear the DD costume because things may get to "hot for him" he wants annominity

[Hipnautik]

it is daredevil, i think his motivation for wearing this costume comes in lieu of his identity being revealed, i think he wants to be a hero, but doesnt wanna wear the DD costume because things may get to "hot for him" he wants annominity

That's pretty much what I think, we've already seen Matt keep denying he's DD to other hero's around him(even though they know). If he jumped into another costume and name, at least this one would be annoymous for awhile(maybe not the other Avengers but the public).

[TheBestRobot]

Yeah, the team is so bendiscentric! What the hell is Jessica Jones doing as an Avenger...wait, she's not? Neither are any of the Fantastic Four? No Elektra? Oh...

I really think that costume has too much of an Oriental feel for it to strongly support any Daredevil theories. I understand that Daredevil has a connection to Japan, but the Jade and Gold colouring is more innvocative of China or Tibet. The weapon makes me doubt that it's Iron Fist, but the theme and colour scheme would make sense, so that's a strong possibility. Really doubt it's DD.

What happens if Xavier and the Avengers call on Wolverine at the same time?

[Brian Cronin]

Yeah, the team is so bendiscentric!

If Daredevil is, in fact, on the team...then the Avengers will have every single last hero that Bendis is using in Secret War.

If you don't see that as more than a bit coincidental, then, well....you should. :)

-Brian

[pureclint]

No black widow

[Brian Cronin]

No black widow

Dear lord, it's been a long time since Secret War last came out. :)

I honestly did not even recall Black Widow being there.

Hell, right now, I STILL don't remember her being there.

How lame is it that the Pulse issues tying in to Secret War will be finished before Secret War is?

-Brian

[TheBestRobot]

D

How lame is it that the Pulse issues tying in to Secret War will be finished before Secret War is?

-Brian

On a scale of one to ten?

Luke's looking good for a guy in a coma over in Avengers, huh? ;)

[pureclint]

From what I know SW was finnished by BMB about 2 years ago....and doesnt it take place one year in the past?

Also I guess old luke will be up and wlaking around in the pulse soon.

But yeah it is fairly lame, I think there is some other character to some shield agent chick. I remember her in the Flashback and sketch portions.

[Shellhead]

Yeah, the team is so bendiscentric! What the hell is Jessica Jones doing as an Avenger...wait, she's not?

Okay, technically, Jessica Drew (Spider Woman) is not Jessica Jones. But Bendis originally wrote Alias as though Spider Woman was the star. Then Marvel flinched from Spider Woman having anal sex with Luke Cage, and made him create a new character to star in Alias. So, Jessica Drew sort of is Jessica Jones, at least in original intent.

[Brian Cronin]

From what I know SW was finnished by BMB about 2 years ago....and doesnt it take place one year in the past?

Also I guess old luke will be up and wlaking around in the pulse soon.

But yeah it is fairly lame, I think there is some other character to some shield agent chick. I remember her in the Flashback and sketch portions.

The agent I remembered! :)

But I didn't count her, cuz she wasn't a superhero.

But I DID remember her! :)

-Brian

[Brian Cronin]

Okay, technically, Jessica Drew (Spider Woman) is not Jessica Jones. But Bendis originally wrote Alias as though Spider Woman was the star. Then Marvel flinched from Spider Woman having anal sex with Luke Cage, and made him create a new character to star in Alias. So, Jessica Drew sort of is Jessica Jones, at least in original intent.

According to Bendis, Jessica Drew was off-limits before he ever though of the sex stuff. Marvel just didn't want her in a mature readers comic PERIOD, sex or no sex.

-Brian

[TheBestRobot]

Okay, technically, Jessica Drew (Spider Woman) is not Jessica Jones. But Bendis originally wrote Alias as though Spider Woman was the star. Then Marvel flinched from Spider Woman having anal sex with Luke Cage, and made him create a new character to star in Alias. So, Jessica Drew sort of is Jessica Jones, at least in original intent.

I was kind of being facetous earlier, sorry. I think Bendis is great when he's on top-form, but it's too early to see if that's the case with Avengers. Hell, I guess Bendis writing EVERYTHING adds SOME coherence to the MU :)

[pureclint]

Sure we have tons of threads but the tidbit (I can not remember if it was in Preiews or wizard , but if i find it I will post it) about the Mystery Ninja not appearing untill issue 5 or 6 (I think wolverine is similar) and the bits in wizard about Iron Fist having things in store, even though his series in on the outs....

Hmmm hints perhaps?

[HartyPotter]

I really don't want it to be Iron Fist. He'd contribute as much to the team as Luke Cage.

[BlackKnight]

Sure we have tons of threads but the tidbit (I can not remember if it was in Preiews or wizard , but if i find it I will post it) about the Mystery Ninja not appearing untill issue 5 or 6 (I think wolverine is similar) and the bits in wizard about Iron Fist having things in store, even though his series in on the outs....

Hmmm hints perhaps?

Still think it is going to be DD. And on a positive not for NA, I really have liked that Wolverine is not in the comic yet. :)

[pureclint]

Bendis digs moonknigt and Quesnenda mentions that MK has big things in store in the interview in wizard...you want JLA Avengers

MK is batmanesque and Sentry is one of Marvels Supermanesque guys (of course both are not the same and have a few more issues then the DC characters).

Is Moony a ninja though?

[BlackKnight]

Bendis digs moonknigt and Quesnenda mentions that MK has big things in store in the interview in wizard...you want JLA Avengers

MK is batmanesque and Sentry is one of Marvels Supermanesque guys (of course both are not the same and have a few more issues then the DC characters).

Is Moony a ninja though?

I don't think so, and I would not understand why he would hide his ID either. Although Moon Knight as a member would be cool.

[X-Men Forever]

The character is no longer a mystery, he was in New Avengers #1. The characters name is Matt Murdock.

[tricksterpup]

Everyone is way off, the new Avenger had his own book and here it is..

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/02281023554.4.GIF

The return of Alf.. beware Kitties, he is back.. also with a new late night talk show too on TV.

[X-Men Forever]

Everyone is way off, the new Avenger had his own book and here it is..

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/02281023554.4.GIF

The return of Alf.. beware Kitties, he is back.. also with a new late night talk show too on TV.

Yes, but Alf does not join New Avengers until issue #12.

[hbkabdul]

Everyone is way off, the new Avenger had his own book and here it is..

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/02281023554.4.GIF

The return of Alf.. beware Kitties, he is back.. also with a new late night talk show too on TV.

isnt this the second time you pulled this joke? i mean it was funny the first time but now your beating a dead cat.

[X-Men Forever]

isnt this the second time you pulled this joke? i mean it was funny the first time but now your beating a dead cat.

Alf is not a cat, he is an alien. And New Avengers needs an alien on the team roster for sure.

[BlackKnight]

isnt this the second time you pulled this joke? i mean it was funny the first time but now your beating a dead cat.


Yea, well most of us still find this amusing.

[Gladiator X]

The character is no longer a mystery, he was in New Avengers #1. The characters name is Matt Murdock.


I believe you are correct.

If it was Monn Knight I don't think they'd change his uniform since THAT is one of the coolest things about him.Take away the cool uniform and you've got just another street level vigilante that doesn't stick out from the pack in any way.

It's Daredevil.Yeah,it's obvious but then everything that has come out of Bendis' Avengers has been pretty obvious.

[BlackKnight]

I believe you are correct.

If it was Monn Knight I don't think they'd change his uniform since THAT is one of the coolest things about him.Take away the cool uniform and you've got just another street level vigilante that doesn't stick out from the pack in any way.

It's Daredevil.Yeah,it's obvious but then everything that has come out of Bendis' Avengers has been pretty obvious.


Obvious should be Bendis's middle name, from the death of Hawkeye, to who was behind Disassembled to who the mystery charater is.. No surprises, pretty boilerplate.

[Spider-Man]

I think this guy looks more like Moon Knight than Daredevil, but it's more than likely DD:

http://onfinite.com/libraries/251718/e3b.jpg

[Doom Hammer]

There was something in a Wizard article about Wizard spoiling Bendis' stories. Bendis claimed it wast their fault, and then something along the lines of "See? Even Bendis says its not our fault that we spoil his stories. Were not even gonna tell you that the secret ninja member is Moon Knight. Oops!" appeared.

Joke or planned spoil, I do not care. Moon Knight has been getting hot lately, with a long-away book that a lot of people want to be involved with. I hope its Moon Knight.

[pureclint]

You know untill we actually see a book with the guy on it in the store ther is still a slim possibility the Character shown is a place holder...remember fishbowl head has now vannished perhaps Joe Q who loves to fool people has gone the extra step....

[johnnyhammer]

It's probably Daredevil. A move that would shift me slightly towards the "Anti-Bendis" crowd, due to unoriginality.

Iron Fist would be great.

Moon Knight would be totally friggin SPECTACULAR, but I'd never be that lucky.

[Slayven]

daredevil with teh white tiger amulet

[Phoney Bone]

The "Mystery Ninja Avenger of Doom" has been seen in two different costumes..."black fishbowl head" and "nuthin' sez lovin' like summin' from the oven"...Marc Spector has three different personalities.

Moon Knight.

And nuthin' sez "iconic" more than "Moon Knight".

:rolleyes:

[Venomous]

I',m thinking Murdoch as White Tiger with the White Tiger amulet

[Darth Mufassssa]

Moon Knight would be great...but why would he come back to the fold when he quit the team a while back? I loved him as part of the West Coast Team. Dardevil seems the most obvious and Matt donning the ninja outfit to protect his identity would be pretty obvious. I am trying to think of other charachters who might fit the bill. IronFist would be great Luke and Danny together again! Shang-Chi would be another but how woudl Bendis make this work. The White Tiger would be interesting, especially if they use the White Tiger from Heroes for Hire. Well earlier someone posted the analogy of The Sentry representing the Iconic Superman type on the team. Having MoonKnight on the team would be a refrence to having a Batman type on the team. Mark Spector can also bring financial support to the Avengers. If Tony is not able to fund the team how are they going to operate? Answer have another Billionare help fund the team. Well I am hoping that whom ever it is it isn't cheesy! I liked the ay NA#1 started and hope they take their time developing this team. The last story arc started off hot and then really just fell apart (I am not going to use the story title as a pun). IMO they should have made the Chaos thing go a few more issues and worked the story. I know Marvel is planning the house of M and we will have some more resolution during this future event. Well I went a bit off tangent sorry. Moon Knight Rocks but bring him in without the ninja outfit!
Avengers Assemble!

[mattx110]

white tiger is dead, right? the yellow on the costume works for iron fist, but he seems like the kinda person to have a simpler costume. and how can luke be on the team without asking rand? it would just be rude.

[GoGo Yubari]

white tiger is dead, right?

Yup. Killed in Daredevil a while back.

[Mister Mets]

Yea, well most of us still find this amusing.

And some of us haven't seen it before, and find it amusing.

Personally I'm hoping for Magneto.

[Will.S]

I'm not sure if anyone mentioned it but could it be possible that the mystery Avenger is a rebuilt, reprogrammed and newly functioning Vision with different capabilities?

If it's not Matt(which is looking the case more and more unfortunately) then I think this would be cool. The strength would be increased and he'd be good at fighting hand to hand combat with maybe the phasing, eyebeam, density control ability intact.

[Dr. Hfuhruhurr]

I've got to agree with many other posters that we are all overthinking this: it's Daredevil. Bendis is not half as clever as most of us give him credit for. Remember when we were all trying to figure out who was behind "Dissassembled?" "Chaos," what could be more obvious?

[Gaz]

Doesn't Moon Knight use nunchuka?:confused:

[X-Men Forever]

Doesn't Moon Knight use nunchuka?:confused:

Yes he does, but I still think it is Daredevil. Based on the fact that Bendis is leaving the Daredevil regular series soon, I think this is a good way for him to continue writing Matt Murdock, by including him on his Avengers roster. Also, Bendis said in a Wizard interview, that the mystery character has been in a Marvel movie. Moon Knight has not, but Daredevil has.

[pureclint]

It was in a USA today interview and Bendis has said they misquoted him...time will tell though.

[Gaz]

Yes he does, but I still think it is Daredevil. Based on the fact that Bendis is leaving the Daredevil regular series soon, I think this is a good way for him to continue writing Matt Murdock, by including him on his Avengers roster. Also, Bendis said in a Wizard interview, that the mystery character has been in a Marvel movie. Moon Knight has not, but Daredevil has.
My point was that the pic which has caused a lot of this spec shows the charac with a set, and it could play as a redesigned MK costume sans cape

[Nightcrawler]

It's Daredevil. The obvious answer.

[comic_lover]

It's not Daredevil.....the only reason they said " Hollywood hit " is because the character is currently having a movie made about him....it's Danny Rand,a.k.a. Iron Fist,with the power of the White Tiger.No joke.

[bjtrdff]

I'm probably in the minority, but I wouldn't mind seeing Hulk in the New Avengers. (I'm not saying its happening, just thinking while typing...). He would give them an alternate person who is on a more 'cosmic' level than most of the other heroes, and since this Avengers doesn't look like it will be as affiliated with the Gov. as the previous version (although that could change) it would seem to be an interesting idea.

(Of course, Hulk also had a movie.......)

[Doom Hammer]

It's not Daredevil.....the only reason they said " Hollywood hit " is because the character is currently having a movie made about him....it's Danny Rand,a.k.a. Iron Fist,with the power of the White Tiger.No joke.

Nice idea, but since you say "no joke" it makes you sound like you had this confirmed...?

[comic_lover]

I'm probably in the minority, but I wouldn't mind seeing Hulk in the New Avengers. (I'm not saying its happening, just thinking while typing...). He would give them an alternate person who is on a more 'cosmic' level than most of the other heroes, and since this Avengers doesn't look like it will be as affiliated with the Gov. as the previous version (although that could change) it would seem to be an interesting idea.

(Of course, Hulk also had a movie.......) Damn straight there ! Especially if it were the Gray Hulk ! oOOOH YEAH ! :D

[comic_lover]

Nice idea, but since you say "no joke" it makes you sound like you had this confirmed...? Just something a friend of mine " whispered " in my ear...the guy was right about Wolverine,Spidey,and Luke Cage,so hey,he gets some leeway....Is he right ? Couldn't tell you...maybe he's pulling my leg ? I dunno,but he gets my " benefit of the doubt " award this month. :)

[Sharcque]

It would be awesome to have a re-vamped Iron Fist in the New Anvengers!!!!

[Slayven]

It would be awesome to have a re-vamped Iron Fist in the New Anvengers!!!!
whats to revamp? IF is pretty cool the way eh is, just trade the slippers in for some shoes and he will be ok

[Nightcrawler]

It would be cool to have IF, but Bendis isn't that clever. It's gonna be Daredevil.

[marvelboy2004]

Don't know if anyones mentioned it yet, but what with the fact that all images of the mystery Avenger could be fake and we haven't seen the actual costume (or have we? May have missed it), why not Elektra? Her movie's coming out, She is surely gonna be spotlighted somewhere...?
Just a thought...

[Venomous]

Don't know if anyones mentioned it yet, but what with the fact that all images of the mystery Avenger could be fake and we haven't seen the actual costume (or have we? May have missed it), why not Elektra? Her movie's coming out, She is surely gonna be spotlighted somewhere...?
Just a thought...

Elektra doesn't strike me as a teamplayer

[pureclint]

Don't know if anyones mentioned it yet, but what with the fact that all images of the mystery Avenger could be fake and we haven't seen the actual costume (or have we? May have missed it), why not Elektra? Her movie's coming out, She is surely gonna be spotlighted somewhere...?
Just a thought...


I have mentioned it and I am still holdign out some hope this is true and we get no DD on the team.

[BlackKnight]

I have mentioned it and I am still holdign out some hope this is true and we get no DD on the team.

We agree about something regarding the NA. I hope it is not DD. I hope that it is actually Moon Knight or Hawkeye. (yes Hawkeye would that not be a huge twist).. and that the figger is just a place holder.

[Cayman]

I would be very surprised in Mystery Ninja isn't Daredevil, seeing how central DD has been to the story so far. I'm speculating that Daredevil is intrigued enough by an offer to join the team that he's willing to accept, but doesn't want to further compromise his identity or the safety of the peopel he cares about by being identified as Daredevil on such a high-profile team. So he joins New Avengers using another identity. I'm actually surprised superheroes don't do that more often. If your identity is secret anyway, you could be several guys. (Yeah, I know if has been done before, I'm just surprised it's not more done more frequently). Much of Bendis's Daredevil run has been about the deep funk Murdock fell into after Karen Page's death, and with the end of the run not that far off, it might be time for a new status quo for Matt.

Or it might be Iron Fist or Blade or whomever.

Cay

[XPac]

It'll probably end up Daredevil.

Still, with Wolverine, Cap, and Spidey already signed on I personally would rather that it not be a more street level style heroe. The team's rooster just seems to be a bit lacking in terms of depth and versatility.

I'd personally rather see an energy manipulator or a telepath or a magic wielder (even though I'm sure they'll want to stay well clear of that) or some other type of character that brings something new and different to the table.

In a perfect world, I'd love it if they were to ressurect someone like Psylocke and had her join the Avengers. But that's not gonna happen, and obviously she's not the person pictured in shadows.

[Musichead]

It'll probably end up Daredevil.

Still, with Wolverine, Cap, and Spidey already signed on I personally would rather that it not be a more street level style heroe. The team's rooster just seems to be a bit lacking in terms of depth and versatility.

I'd personally rather see an energy manipulator or a telepath or a magic wielder (even though I'm sure they'll want to stay well clear of that) or some other type of character that brings something new and different to the table.



Yeah, I feel the same way about this. While I really really have enjoyed the first two issues of the book, I'd like a little more versatility as well. Give me something different.

[Venomous]

I'd love to see Black Panther on the team again or Beta Ray Bill

But yeah, it's propably Daredevil posing as the White Tiger

[Gaz]

It might be DD but he decides that the Avengers aren't for him and leaves after a few months (like Spidey did when he first joined) letting someone else, maybe Songbird (depending on how T-Bolts goes) join in the next arc.

[Nightcrawler]

It would be so awesome to see Black Panther again as an Avenger.

[XPac]

It would be so awesome to see Black Panther again as an Avenger.

If the writers wanted to, they could have had Black Panter step up to fund the Avengers in Tony's place. Panther is rich enough. And he's make an interesting leader... more like a Batman than a Captain America.

[moebius]

It'll probably end up Daredevil.

Still, with Wolverine, Cap, and Spidey already signed on I personally would rather that it not be a more street level style heroe. The team's rooster just seems to be a bit lacking in terms of depth and versatility.

Wolverine's not really "Street Level." The guy's repeatedly taken on the Hulk, and even managed to win a couple of times.

What this team needs is one less character with "Spider" in their title (to be replaced by Warbird, another female and former Wolverine cohort) and a high level Mentalist or Sorcerer (Supreme?). That way they cover nearly all the bases.

[XPac]

Wolverine's not really "Street Level." The guy's repeatedly taken on the Hulk, and even managed to win a couple of times.

What this team needs is one less character with "Spider" in their title (to be replaced by Warbird, another female and former Wolverine cohort) and a high level Mentalist or Sorcerer (Supreme?). That way they cover nearly all the bases.

Any fights with Wolvernine beating Hulk is a badly written fight.

Wolvie is potentially a a very dangerous character, but really there are only so many people he'll actually use his claws against since they are potentially lethal. Against a robot or a door, Wolvie is far more than street level. But against a human flesh and blood opponet, he's basically a Cap or a DD with a healing factor. He's still dangerous... but again there's plenty of overlap with guys like Cap and Spidey (and if DD ends up on the team, even moreso).

As for Warbird... she's a good character, but really she basically brings everything Spider Woman does only more so. She's got the exact same power moveset, only to a higher degree. I personally don't see them bothering to trade out Spider Woman for Warbird, it's basically the same character.