Screwy Weather

[Cam63]

How's nature treating you where you live ?

I've seen the cold snaps the northern hemisphere is currently having and even here, the climate has been strangely cool.

For late November, it's usually early to mid 30s in celsius temp ( 90-95 F ), but I'm wearing a sweater and jeans right now.

Freaky.

[MacQuarrie]

It's been warm and sunny for the last couple of weeks after a little bit of rain, but all of a sudden yesterday it got cold and windy here.

I was at the archery range yesterday morning in a t-shirt and shorts and it was nice out. A couple of hours later I was bundled up in long sleeves and sweater and the wind was howling.

weird.

[Kyuubi]

It's as weird as it gets.


It's cold! In Southern California!


It might even go below 60 degrees.


What the hell?

[Lester C.]

It's as weird as it gets.


It's cold! In Southern California!


It might even go below 60 degrees.


What the hell?

Kyuubi, as a person that has lived his entire life in Illinois, let me just say I’m hating you right now with a passion that can ignite stars.

[Kyuubi]

Kyuubi, as a person that has lived his entire life in Illinois, let me just say I’m hating you right now with a passion that can ignite stars.



Mission: Accomplished

[Lex]

It's kinda crappy right now in South Dakota, USA. Big snow storm started this afternoon and is supposed to continue throughout tomorrow. Not something I'm happy about.

[the4thpip]

We have a state of emergency in my state because of the unexpected snow chaos.

I had to walk much of the way to work today... The monorail was operating, the busses were not. Took me about 90 minutes to get here. And the streetlights were out on my street, which made walking on icy sidewalks a little dangerous.

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,547456,00.jpg

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,547484,00.jpg

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,547325,00.jpg

[Cam63]

That's some scary weather, Pip.

Good luck with it.

[the4thpip]

Thanks, Cam.
The worst should be behind us... I'm hoping the roads will be cleared by this afternoon so I can take a bus home. Don't feel like walking again.

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,547452,00.jpg

[Cam63]

I'm not going to complain about our summer for a while.

[the4thpip]

Just reported to the city that the streetlights on my street were out all night. Seems nobody else had done that yet. :rolleyes:

http://www.tagesschau.de/styles/container/image/style_images_default/0,,OID4991212,00.jpg

(not my street, this is Osnabrück, where the power was out for 48 hours)

[Weetomuncher]

It is quite cold here in Scotland and there is a horrible, icy wind.

[Super Sonic]

Freezing cold, winds ripping through me,some snow.




Then a day of sunshine....................



Back to the cold. -_-

[Azrael52]

Yesterday there were more tornados in my state (Arkansas) than we've had since 96 or 97 according to one newscaster.

Other than that, it's been cold, hot, cold, hot.

Sucky weather.

I wish I had Stewie's weather device.

[Dil]

Really cold in France today : it's even snowing, so people try to warm themselves by burning cars.... ;)

[the4thpip]

A group of my colleagues and I were nearly hit by a rather massive amount of snow and ice sliding off a roof when we walked down to the nearest operating bus stop. http://seanmckeever.com/smilies/scared.gif

[DubipR]

63 and sunny right now here in Santa Monica.

I always enjoy the weather this time of year. Granted we don't a thing as 'seasons' here in Los Angeles, but to have cooler weather, where a sweatshirt is needed is always nice over the everyday 80+ degree weather.

[Slam_Bradley]

Sunny and cold. It was 15 F. when I went to work this morning. Supposed to snow tomorrow and Wed.

[MacQuarrie]

63 and sunny right now here in Santa Monica.

I always enjoy the weather this time of year. Granted we don't a thing as 'seasons' here in Los Angeles, but to have cooler weather, where a sweatshirt is needed is always nice over the everyday 80+ degree weather.
What do you mean, we don't have seasons? Of course we have seasons!

Fire, earthquake and tourist.

[Cam63]

It is quite cold here in Scotland and there is a horrible, icy wind.

I'm guessing only the hardy are still wearing kilts.

[sk716]

Yesterday there were more tornados in my state (Arkansas) than we've had since 96 or 97 according to one newscaster.

Other than that, it's been cold, hot, cold, hot.

Sucky weather.

I wish I had Stewie's weather device.

I thought you did have it and that's why we were having tornados in November. If I don't have it... and you don't have it... I gotta go search Monkey Boy's room.

[WhiteRose]

God I love the snow. I wish it snowed here, but the closest it ever got to Brisbane was Stanthorpe, which is about an hour or two south.

We've had flunctuating drought/storm conditions. We've been on high fire danger for the last 4 months, and that's not fun when you live across the road from a really big park of dried grass. Yet it was flooded on Sunday night.

Crazy. Now it's kinda nice and breezy, but a little overcast.

[Lester C.]

I wake up this morning looked out my window and saw nothing but snow. While I was sleeping a blizzard had rolled in and left us with at least a foot of snow. I have a thing about always jogging in the morning so I went back in my house put on my boots, ankle weights etc and went outside. I felt like Rocky jogging in the snow mountains of Russia and fell seveal times on ice patched hidden beneath the powder.

Next my brother ask me to warm up his car. So after I force open his door that had been frozen shut I warm up his car clean the snow off. The whole process took twenty minutes and I know I’m going to have to do it later with my car.

As I’m going to back into my apartment I see someone with a bucket. I’m wondering what She or He doing (I couldn't tell as it was dark and they were wearing bulky clothes) This person mustn't be from around here because they pitch the hot water on the glass with the hopes of melting the ice. I’m not sure what the physics are the worse thing you can do is pour hot water on a frozen window as the glass breaks. Everyone that has grown up here knows that so the person who screamed “Shit Fuck” now has broken glass and snow on his/her seat must have been visiting.

Now I’m sitting on my computer and my butt numb which is actually a rather interesting physical sensation while sitting in my chair. The moral of the story is that I’m getting the hell out of this state and moving to California. I have relatives in Modesto so how hard can it be to transfer down there to complete my education?

[Crowley]

we had a shitload of snow here in Chicago last night...

29 year record.

[Lester C.]

we had a shitload of snow here in Chicago last night...

29 year record.

Hey there is a chance I've seen you on the street. I don’t live in the city but do they still put furniture to lay claim parking space they shoveled and abandon. Mayor Dick, years ago now, said that was a tradition and folks should know better to take their parking spots unless they want a beating. I love Chicago but every once and a while I fell ashamed of the city like the time the Aldermen had a Marcarthy era grilling of Jerry Springer.

[heystacy]

The weather flucuates. It will be warm to an extent during the day, cold during the night. For a change, its not raining, whuich made it feel colder.

[Lester C.]

The weather flucuates. It will be warm to an extent during the day, cold during the night. For a change, its not raining, whuich made it feel colder.

Are you talking about Chicago or someplace else?

[Corsair]

63 and sunny right now here in Santa Monica.

I always enjoy the weather this time of year. Granted we don't a thing as 'seasons' here in Los Angeles, but to have cooler weather, where a sweatshirt is needed is always nice over the everyday 80+ degree weather.I get a chuckle out of the different perspective here. 63 degrees, to me, is when it's time to maybe consider breaking out the thicker t-shirts.


As I’m going to back into my apartment I see someone with a bucket. I’m wondering what She or He doing (I couldn't tell as it was dark and they were wearing bulky clothes) This person mustn't be from around here because they pitch the hot water on the glass with the hopes of melting the ice. I’m not sure what the physics are the worse thing you can do is pour hot water on a frozen window as the glass breaks. Everyone that has grown up here knows that so the person who screamed “Shit Fuck” now has broken glass and snow on his/her seat must have been visiting.That'll learn 'em!

It actually shattered, though? I've known people to crack the glass that way, but never known anyone to completely blow out the windshield. Heh.

[Karl J. Barnes]

Well, two nights ago, we(Kansas) finally had our snow, six inches of it, the snow never let up. The bad thing is, is I had to deliver in it. Oh that was fun! But now, we are just back to cold days and sunshine.

[Lester C.]

I don’t know if shattered would be the right word more like cracked opened or collapse. I’ve heard stories but I’ve never actually seen it until today. The idiot didn’t even bother scrape off the snow and I’m pretty sure there was steam coming off the water so it was hot.

[Slam_Bradley]

I get a chuckle out of the different perspective here. 63 degrees, to me, is when it's time to maybe consider breaking out the thicker t-shirts.


I agree. That's when I have to think about putting the top up on the convertible. I usually don't, but I think about it.

[heystacy]

Are you talking about Chicago or someplace else?

Savannah, GA. No snow, just mild cold, and lukewarm temps.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Here in WV we'eve gotten cold temptures and thats about it. We have gotten some snow but not what was expected.Monday we were expectin 3 to 6 inches . Didn't happen...

I'm pretty happy thus far.

[Cam63]

We're still waiting for summer to kick in.

[Lester C.]

It’s spring and it snowed all damn day. There is something goofy going on with the weather I don’t care what anyone else says.

[Cam63]

We should kill Mickey's best friend, then.

No, it's not Minnie.

[sk716]

It's the end of March, in Arkansas. It snowed yesterday. It should be 70 degrees and raining often. Snowing in March is the most freakish weather I've ever seen in Arkansas, and we're known for weird weather.

[Cam63]

It rained beer yesterday.

[Lester C.]

It rained beer yesterday.

That goes a long way to explaining this post.


We should kill Mickey's best friend, then.

No, it's not Minnie.

[Lester C.]

It's the end of March, in Arkansas. It snowed yesterday. It should be 70 degrees and raining often. Snowing in March is the most freakish weather I've ever seen in Arkansas, and we're known for weird weather.

As long as Elizabeth Gracen is safe do we really care what calamites befall Arkansas? Didn't think so.

[Lester C.]

It's going to be over a hundred degrees again, and I can't afford to put on the conditioning unless I use the one in my car.:mad:

[Gaz]

Sun, horrible, horrible sun! Which means heat and pollen, both of which are yucky!

[Sharpandpointies]

45 degrees celcius with humidex, here in Ottawa, Canada.

Not out of the question for Ottawa summer weather, but it has been up and down for a couple of months.

[Cam63]

We're finally starting to get some much, much needed rain.

[Lester C.]

It was hot the day before yesterday, and then yesterday it was colder than a Lebian's heart. I hate Chicago weather I really do.

[Sally Sensational]

It was hot the day before yesterday, and then yesterday it was colder than a Lebian's heart. I hate Chicago weather I really do.

Poor Les. We're having the same problem here. Yesterday, the high was 85. The day before it actually hit 90. Last night, in less than an hour, we gained an inch of rain and lost 40 degrees. Now, it's cold.

But, hey, it's a good excuse for a girly girl like me to own more clothes . . .

[Cam63]

But, hey, it's a good excuse for a girly girl like me to own more clothes . . .

Or break out the thermals.

[Lester C.]

Or break out the thermals.
Isn't it almost Summer time in Australia?

[Cam63]

Yep.

Summer is about 20 days away.

[Lester C.]

Yep.

Summer is about 20 days away.
Is Australia nice year round or do you get snow during our summer months?

[heystacy]

It was hot the day before yesterday, and then yesterday it was colder than a Lebian's heart. I hate Chicago weather I really do.


Whoa! The South East is like that too, but I think you guys get more cold than we do. I feel for ya!

[sk716]

Freakish Arkansas weather as usual. It can't decide if it wants to be cold or warm. Everybody is getting colds from the constant back and forth temperatures. Me included. . . damn freakish Arkansas weather.

[Lester C.]

Yesterday was freezing today it's quite nice. My dad is in Mississippi and he tells he had on the air conditioner yesterday.:mad:

[Gozwald73]

I'm not going to complain about our summer for a while.

Sorry Cam - you can't complain about Aussie summers 'til you've been through a Perth one :)

mid thirties this week - and we're nowhere near the February peak

[Gozwald73]

Is Australia nice year round or do you get snow during our summer months?

I've never seen snow.

...and (for me anyway), the "nice" part of the year is the non-summer part. Summer gets so intense here that the sun feels like it's biting your skin, and the air you breathe in is hotter than the air you're breathing out. Not my idea of 'nice'.

[blackcanary_416]

It has been nice for the past three days and now it is cold and raining. Hopefully Maryland will have some nicer weather in the upcoming week.

[Lester C.]

I wake up this morning looked out my window and saw nothing but snow. While I was sleeping a blizzard had rolled in and left us with at least a foot of snow. I have a thing about always jogging in the morning so I went back in my house put on my boots, ankle weights etc and went outside. I felt like Rocky jogging in the snow mountains of Russia and fell seveal times on ice patched hidden beneath the powder.

Next my brother ask me to warm up his car. So after I force open his door that had been frozen shut I warm up his car clean the snow off. The whole process took twenty minutes and I know I’m going to have to do it later with my car.

As I’m going to back into my apartment I see someone with a bucket. I’m wondering what She or He doing (I couldn't tell as it was dark and they were wearing bulky clothes) This person mustn't be from around here because they pitch the hot water on the glass with the hopes of melting the ice. I’m not sure what the physics are the worse thing you can do is pour hot water on a frozen window as the glass breaks. Everyone that has grown up here knows that so the person who screamed “Shit Fuck” now has broken glass and snow on his/her seat must have been visiting.

Now I’m sitting on my computer and my butt numb which is actually a rather interesting physical sensation while sitting in my chair. The moral of the story is that I’m getting the hell out of this state and moving to California. I have relatives in Modesto so how hard can it be to transfer down there to complete my education?
Never made it to modesto as I am graduating here at the end of the month and will go to law school in the city sometime this summer. Anyway its that time of year again and today I hate the Australians, Californians and Arkansans with a passion because they are living in a tropical pardise. Today because I now live in a condo I had to use a fucking shovel to dig out my house, parking spot and car. You ever shoveled show? It's so much harder than it looks and now my back hurts. Then I had to drive ten miles in hour to my gym. Three hours later I had to dig myself out again and several times on the way home.

Then I heard people bitching on the radio from Chicago. I have news for Tom Stillwell and Emperor Crowley. You lucky bastards only get three inches or so because of the snow. I stuck with a fucking foot and half in the northwest suburbs. :mad:

[CanaryNoir]

Then I heard people bitching on the radio from Chicago. I have news for Tom Stillwell and Emperor Crowley. You lucky bastards only get three inches or so because of the snow. I stuck with a fucking foot and half in the northwest suburbs. :mad:

Wah wah whaaaaaaaaaa! It's fricking Chicago -- what do you expect? People who bitch about the way the weather always is in the place they live annoy me. OMG it's so COLD in the MIDWEST in the WINTER! WHY can't it be like THE TROPICS?! WAAAH!

The assumption that everyone wants to live in smoggy California, too, is just irritating as hell. Your dream, my NIGHTMARE.

/hot button for me
/in Chicago, too
/not a weather-whiner

[TomStillwell]

Then I heard people bitching on the radio from Chicago. I have news for Tom Stillwell and Emperor Crowley. You lucky bastards only get three inches or so because of the snow. I stuck with a fucking foot and half in the northwest suburbs.

Not that lucky. It was more like six inches up near me with lake effect snow. My usual half mile walk to the EL stop turned into a very tiring cardiovascular workout. Not one inch of snow shoveled along my path. I could have used cross country skis.

Me, I never complain about the winter in Chicago even when it snows. I was a kid in '79 with the blizzard that shut the entire city down. I remember when I lived in Minnesota and blizzards were the norm. I recall about eight years ago around New Years my wife and I having to dig out our completely covered car that a snow plow had buried.

I don't complain because Chicago doesn't have brush fires, mud slides, hurricanes, tornadoes, tropical storms, or earthquakes. I'll take a blizzard once in a while rather than weather and acts of god that truly devast.

[Lester C.]

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I don't complain because Chicago doesn't have brush fires, mud slides, hurricanes, tornadoes, tropical storms, or earthquakes. I'll take a blizzard once in a while rather than weather and acts of god that truly devast.
No, but we do have Tony Resko. Mark my words that fallout from that bastard is going to make our blue state red. Anyway our storm is heading to Canada so pretty soon Sharp and Pointes and Hybrid2 are going to be the ones that do the bitching.

[the4thpip]

This autumn is fixing to be the warmest in the history of temperature recording in Germany. It only got a tad nippy yesterday. Looking forward to a much lower heating bill. Last year around this time we'd just lived through the worst blizzard in decades.

[hellokittykat]

What I'm not a fan of is how the weather around here keeps flip flopping between warm and cold.
Like today for example, I'm running around in just yoga pants and a t-shirt now but by tonight it's supposed to be like forty degrees.

[Lester C.]

Wah wah whaaaaaaaaaa! It's fricking Chicago -- what do you expect? People who bitch about the way the weather always is in the place they live annoy me. OMG it's so COLD in the MIDWEST in the WINTER! WHY can't it be like THE TROPICS?! WAAAH!

The assumption that everyone wants to live in smoggy California, too, is just irritating as hell. Your dream, my NIGHTMARE.

/hot button for me
/in Chicago, too
/not a weather-whiner
At least I can park for free and not have drive around a chair that has drifted out into the street because someone wanted to save their parking space they had dug out.

[the4thpip]

What I'm not a fan of is how the weather around here keeps flip flopping between warm and cold.
Like today for example, I'm running around in just yoga pants and a t-shirt now but by tonight it's supposed to be like forty degrees.
My skin does not like that at all. I get those dry patches on my face when the weather cannot make up its mind.

[TomStillwell]

Mark my words that fallout from that bastard is going to make our blue state red.

Chicago will never be red. So goes Chicago, so goes Illinois.

[CanaryNoir]

Chicago will never be red. So goes Chicago, so goes Illinois.

Thank you! God, Lester... do not... even... KID about that.

[Lester C.]

Did you see how many votes that Perica guy got for Cook County Board president.:eek: I'm a proud Demacrat but Rod is looking to be the next George Ryan. When that happens you are going to have enough people in Chicago vote red that when those votes combine with all the votes south of I80 that we can easily be governed by Jim Oberweis come 2010.

Daily though should be okay as his election is in March, but if this Resko thing goes critical in a few years, as the wheels of justice grind slow, we could easily see Tony Perica or somebody mayor of Chicago come March of 2010.

On the plus side thanks to global warming the Midwest has been having fairly mild winters for many years now. Of course when Greenland melts and submerses California, New York, India etc it global warming is really going to suck, but for now in our neck of the woods its nice. Not so nice in places like New Orleans and Florida as warm oceans lead to much stronger hurricanes but hey nice for us.

[TomStillwell]

Les, 35 years living in Chicago says different. Trust me.

[the4thpip]

Western Europe is being hit by the worst hurricane-like storm in years. Our boss just sent us home.

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,780009,00.jpg



http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,779969,00.jpg


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[hellokittykat]

Take care Pip!

The weather around here is wacko too.
Monday, and Tuesday until noon, was so warm that I didn't need a jacket to go outside. Then the temperature dropped and hasn't gone about 32F since. As a result I have a lovely sniffly cold.

[Lester C.]

The price of oranges have skyrocketed because the *censored* Californians can't take a little cold. As Chopper Reid would say they need to harden the fuck up.:mad:

[the4thpip]

Take care Pip!



I will. People here are not used to hurricanes so they take foolish chances. My boyfriend lives in Miami, so I've been exposed to it a lot more. I can barely open the door to get out here; the wind is pushing against it that hard!

[Cam63]

Take care all.

[Lester C.]

What's tragic is that a lot of people have lost their lives this season. Here hopping that spring gets here quick.

[Lunar Daydreamer]

It’s been unseasonably mild here in central Blighty.

Today there are mahoosive winds, this morning lashing it down with rain, then sunny, then warmer. All a bit wacky, like.

Very much like April time out there.

In fact, there was an article in the Metro Newspaper last week which said there had been warmer temperatures here in January than we had in July (whilst July days were warm, evenings got rather chilly)

[Cam63]

We've had casualties to the fires.

Most have been fire fighters.

[hellokittykat]

We've had casualties to the fires.

Most have been fire fighters.

Geez! That's terrible!

[Cam63]

It's been pretty light, compared to Seppo lives lost though.

[the4thpip]

I'm home safely.

Here is a photo gallery (http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/0,5538,18662,00.html) of some of the scenes currently happening in Germany.

[the4thpip]

What's tragic is that a lot of people have lost their lives this season. Here hopping that spring gets here quick.

A motorist was killed when a tree hit his car in Baden Baden just now... and a woman here in my city of Wuppertal came back to her car after getting something from a pharmacy and found a big tree in her wind shield. She had good timing.

[the4thpip]

I was just without electricity, landlines and cell phone for 10 minutes. that was rather spooky.

[David Bedlam]

We've been having some insane winds here.

I was walking through the University, and the poor building design outside the Richmond Building caused the already gale force winds to be concentrated into a wind tunnel effect.

It was like trying to walk through an explosion.

[the4thpip]

Well, the worst is behind us here in the Rhineland area.

But the facade of the brand new Berlin Central Station is feared to come crashing down. the building has been evacuated.

http://photoenligne.free.fr/Berlin/Hbf/N10273.jpg

[Tobias March]

A street was blocked off today behind work due to slates being ripped off the roofs and hitting the ground. Some builder on-site was struck in the head by a piece of scaffolding. And all of Kilkenny lost electricity.

So yeah, pretty wet n windy right here at the moment.

[Lester C.]

We've had casualties to the fires.

Most have been fire fighters.

Not to in any way diminish their deaths, but they died saving the lives of others that would have perished. I can't think of a nobler way to go. My condolences and sympathies to their families.

[Cam63]

Thanks, Lester.

We're finally getting some well needed rain.

Hopefully it'll fall on the fires that've been burning for nearly two months.

[Cam63]

I was just without electricity, landlines and cell phone for 10 minutes. that was rather spooky.

We sure miss technology when it's disrupted.

[WhiteRose]

Thanks, Lester.

We're finally getting some well needed rain.

Hopefully it'll fall on the fires that've been burning for nearly two months.

Yah, it's been threatening to rain for two weeks up here, overcast as hell and not a bit of sunshine. Finally we got a burst of about 5 minutes this morning.

But it's definitely down south where we need it the most. The fires have been especially bad this year already.

[the4thpip]

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,780936,00.jpg

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,780921,00.jpg

Two metric tons of steel, right in the entrance of the largest train station in the nation.

[Lester C.]

On Sunday it's going to be 55 degrees in Chicago. There are snow storms in California and Florida. What the hell is going on?

[MacQuarrie]

On Sunday it's going to be 55 degrees in Chicago. There are snow storms in California and Florida. What the hell is going on?

It's called "winter."

[Cam63]

I'm sitting here sweating in shorts and there's no beer in the frige'.

What do I do, Mr. Mac !?

Signed,
Anxious Aussie.

[Dry Observer]

Well, since you asked...

As noted in this AP News article, the Arctic is melting down far faster than even most pessimists anticipated:


An already relentless melting of the Arctic greatly accelerated this summer, a warning sign that some scientists worry could mean global warming has passed an ominous tipping point. One even speculated that summer sea ice would be gone in five years.

Greenland's ice sheet melted nearly 19 billion tons more than the previous high mark, and the volume of Arctic sea ice at summer's end was half what it was just four years earlier, according to new NASA satellite data obtained by The Associated Press.



Just last year, two top scientists surprised their colleagues by projecting that the Arctic sea ice was melting so rapidly that it could disappear entirely by the summer of 2040.

This week, after reviewing his own new data, NASA climate scientist Jay Zwally said: "At this rate, the Arctic Ocean could be nearly ice-free at the end of summer by 2012, much faster than previous predictions."

So scientists in recent days have been asking themselves these questions: Was the record melt seen all over the Arctic in 2007 a blip amid relentless and steady warming? Or has everything sped up to a new climate cycle that goes beyond the worst case scenarios presented by computer models?

The article notes that an Arctic meltdown affects global sea levels, and in the U.S. could result in less precipitation in the drought-stricken Southeast and more rain and snow in areas like Colorado.


• 552 billion tons of ice melted this summer from the Greenland ice sheet, according to preliminary satellite data to be released by NASA Wednesday. That's 15 percent more than the annual average summer melt, beating 2005's record.

• A record amount of surface ice was lost over Greenland this year, 12 percent more than the previous worst year, 2005, according to data the University of Colorado released Monday. That's nearly quadruple the amount that melted just 15 years ago. It's an amount of water that could cover Washington, D.C., a half-mile deep, researchers calculated.

• The surface area of summer sea ice floating in the Arctic Ocean this summer was nearly 23 percent below the previous record. The dwindling sea ice already has affected wildlife, with 6,000 walruses coming ashore in northwest Alaska in October for the first time in recorded history. Another first: the Northwest Passage was open to navigation.

• Still to be released is NASA data showing the remaining Arctic sea ice to be unusually thin, another record. That makes it more likely to melt in future summers. Combining the shrinking area covered by sea ice with the new thinness of the remaining ice, scientists calculate that the overall volume of ice is half of 2004's total.

• Alaska's frozen permafrost is warming, not quite thawing yet. But temperature measurements 66 feet deep in the frozen soil rose nearly four-tenths of a degree from 2006 to 2007, according to measurements from the University of Alaska. While that may not sound like much, "it's very significant," said University of Alaska professor Vladimir Romanovsky.

- Surface temperatures in the Arctic Ocean this summer were the highest in 77 years of record-keeping, with some places 8 degrees Fahrenheit above normal, according to research to be released Wednesday by University of Washington's Michael Steele.

I should add that Dr. James Hansen of NASA has said in the recent past that we have perhaps a decade to radically reduce greenhouse gas emissions before we pass a "tipping point," after which radical climatic changes (read: catastrophic for human civilization) become inevitable.

In the last several days or so, he has amended that statement, stating that we have apparently already passed that tipping point, and now need to dramatically reduce the existing levels of CO2 in the atmosphere, or face global catastrophe.


I hope this answers your question, Lester. Have a pleasant day.

[Reverend Smooth]

We got whomped with those psychocrazy Santa Ana winds, now this:

1 million lose power in California storm. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22503465/)

We're ok, it's just cold. Since we have no heat, it's not just 'oh, it's socal cold', it's probably not more than 50 degrees in here.

[Lester C.]

It's called "winter."

All I'm saying is that it's unnatural. Shouldn't there be some consistency in the weather based on how it's been during years past?

[Dry Observer]

To sum up: Climate change doesn't just mean a consistent, across-the-board increase in temperature spread out evenly over all regions. Instead, as whole weather patterns shift, climatic effects will vary considerably as the Earth seeks a new equilibrium. Some places, for example, will get more rain, some will get less, and some will go back and forth.

Most areas on land are expected, for the moment, to get hotter, but some areas at sea will get colder, as will that section of Paraguay where the Bush family holds tens of thousands of acres positioned next to hundreds of thousands of acres owned by their political allies (the Moonies) and sitting atop one of the last major untapped acquifers in the world.*

*Not that I'm slamming the Bush family on this point, mind you. Whatever you think of their environmental policy, their efforts to prepare personally for the consequences of global warming should be an inspiration to us all.

[sunshinegirl]

All I'm saying is that it's unnatural. Shouldn't there be some consistency in the weather based on how it's been during years past?

I've seen flurries in FL before. Just wasn't on the news.

[kipster]

You're right Lester, it does seem very strange. I live in central Illinois, and 3 days ago it didn't get above 10 degrees. By Monday it's supposed to hit 60. A temperature change in that short amount of time is very strange.

[MacQuarrie]

All I'm saying is that it's unnatural. Shouldn't there be some consistency in the weather based on how it's been during years past?

Not at all. There have been dry years and wet years and such since forever. I remember the winter of, I think it was 1969, the rain was so heavy all the streets in Hermosa Beach turned into rivers. And in the '40s it snowed in Pasadena. !978, the winter in So Cal was so cold there were icicles hanging off the trees in the park from where the sprinkler water froze on them.

Some years there are hurricanes, some years there aren't. That's why we have weathermen on TV.

[MacQuarrie]

I should add that Dr. James Hansen of NASA has said in the recent past that we have perhaps a decade to radically reduce greenhouse gas emissions before we pass a "tipping point," after which radical climatic changes (read: catastrophic for human civilization) become inevitable.

In the last several days or so, he has amended that statement, stating that we have apparently already passed that tipping point, and now need to dramatically reduce the existing levels of CO2 in the atmosphere, or face global catastrophe.


I hope this answers your question, Lester. Have a pleasant day.
In 1989, the ECO (Earth Communications Office, a celebrity-fueled environmental activist group) spent a fortune on ads declaring "We have 10 years to save the world." According to them, then, it's all over. Of course, they also flat-out lied about the number of acres of rainforest being destroyed every year, among other things, promoting fear and panic for their own benefit.

There is a reason we tell little children the story of Chicken Little.

Yes, global warming is real. It's also normal. Yes, human activity is contributing to it, but we really don't know all the facts. It's still not as warm as it was 1000 years ago, when the vikings were growing oats in Greenland.

The earth has gone up and down in temperature for 4 billion years. When it gets cold we call it an ice age. We've been coming out of an ice age for about 900 years now. When we come out of an ice age, temperatures go up.

By all means, be environmentally-minded. Recycle, reduce your carbon footprint. Just don't buy into the panic, and do not listen to anyone who says that the solution to the problem is to give them money and power. (And anyway, it may not in the long run be a problem; the earth is pretty good at healing itself-- during the El Nino a few years ago, its rotation actually slowed down, resulting in a reduction in sea temperatures; the thinning of the ozone layer is now repaired to about where we thought it would take 50 years to reach; the restoration of the mess from the Exxon Valdez is also several decades ahead of where it was predicted to be.)

Also remember that the most environmentally-responsible economic policy is capitalism. The worst pollution among developed nations has always come from communist countries.

[kipster]

Not at all. There have been dry years and wet years and such since forever. I remember the winter of, I think it was 1969, the rain was so heavy all the streets in Hermosa Beach turned into rivers. And in the '40s it snowed in Pasadena. !978, the winter in So Cal was so cold there were icicles hanging off the trees in the park from where the sprinkler water froze on them.

Some years there are hurricanes, some years there aren't. That's why we have weathermen on TV.

Yes, but those all happened years apart, not within the same winter. I think what Lester is saying is that having so many weird things happen in the course of only one season is strange.

[Dry Observer]

Thank you, MacQuarrie, for making the case for just how perilous and
imminent a threat global warming is. Of course, despite your attempt to
dress up this argument in a series of devastating straw-man arguments, you
do seem a bit fanatical in your stance. I mean, do you really believe any global-warming denier would be this extreme? (Paid lobbyists aside, of course.)

But still, given that climate change is a direct threat to our survival, I suppose you have reason.

And besides, given the effectiveness of your arguments, who am I to question your style?

Let me just go through and elaborate on how effectively you've made the case -- a veritable Al Gore of the CBR Forum.

Let's start with a quick peek at the sea ice, hard facts being something you allude to so often...

http://bp0.blogger.com/_XdMUBlK1tf8/RzVy3uqH9EI/AAAAAAAAAAM/NnP2PMgq64c/s320/Arctic+Sea

That magenta line is the median sea ice extent at the end of melt season from 1979 to 2000. The white? That's the extent of sea ice at the end of the 2007 melt season.

Of course, it's worse than it looks. Considerably more ice melted in 2007 than 2005, the next worst year -- and scientists were thinking this fall was a "zig-zag" phenomenon, and that the ice was supposed to increase a bit again this year, despite the overall downward trend. Around half that missing ice disappeared in '07. Exciting, no?

In 2006, scientists were stunned when a review of satellite data implied that all Arctic summer sea ice would be gone by 2040. In 2007, the same scientists who had made that prediction did have to revise that number -- now they expect it all to be gone by 2012.

Yes, that's very bad news -- not just the change in schedule, but the fact that it seems to have dramatically accelerated, and we don't know if we haven't already "fallen off a cliff" in terms of going into an unstoppable meltdown.

Or to compare the estimates of the oft-maligned International Panel on Climate Change with actual satellite data:

http://bp3.blogger.com/_XdMUBlK1tf8/R4BpPDBR0yI/AAAAAAAAAAU/4V7wMD3WHsw/s1600-h/Arctic+Sea+Ice+Loss+Compared+to+IPCC+Models.jpg

That wedge shows their worst-case estimates for Arctic sea ice and their best case estimates. The line in its center is the median estimate.

That dark line is the actual satellite data, which appears to be falling off a cliff as of 2003 or so.

But let's not fret over that now. As MacQuarrie has so aptly explained, we have plenty of other things to worry about already.


In 1989, the ECO (Earth Communications Office, a celebrity-fueled environmental activist group)

Here's the beginning of the first line of his post and, with a nod and wink, MacQuarrie is already indicating that he's setting up a series of easily demolished arguments, simply to mock the denialists' position.

While I can't speak to the ECO, a man of MacQuarrie's wide-ranging knowledge surely knows that the ozone layer had an enormous hole in it during the 80s, and exactly the same debate raged then.

On one side: "Fixing it with known CFC replacements will make our air conditioning and refrigerator's way too expensive! The Whole Economy will Collapse!"

On the other: "No it won't. Don't be ridiculous. Besides, which is more important, an expensive refrigerator or all life on Earth?"

Response: "WAAH!" (Actually, it wasn't this mature, but the precise words have been changed to avoid unnecessary embarrassment.)

Why would anyone bring up a recent environmental problem that posed a threat to all life on Earth, that proved to be extremely easy to solve once it was taken seriously, and which caused no notable problems for the world economy whatsoever?

Clearly, a subtle poke at those who feel the survival of our species is less important than their own short-term gain.


spent a fortune on ads declaring "We have 10 years to save the world." According to them, then, it's all over.

Except, as MacQuarrie has so deftly pointed out, "they" saved the world, by raising our consciousness in time to do something about it.

Ah, and I oversimplified above. By bringing this era up, MacQ has also reminded us of another key fact -- saving the world from ozone-destroying CFCs was so very cheap because we got out ahead of the problem before it became so acute -- and thus were able to handle the holes in the ozone layer while they were still over the poles, and not searing away the thin layer of oceanic plankton, thereby annihilating the food chain.

Good catch, MacQ.


Of course, they also flat-out lied about the
number of acres of rainforest being destroyed every year, among other
things, promoting fear and panic for their own benefit.

There is a reason we tell little children the story of Chicken
Little.

And why we tell them to ignore the vast majority of the world's scientific community, and all those Nobel laureates. =)

Are there companies or organizations out there calling themselves "environmental" for personal gain? Why yes, quite a few oil & coal lobbying groups among them. An excellent side point, MacQ. Whether or not it actually applies to ECO or not.

But note how MacQ brings up dishonest lobbyists, knowing that will only remind us of how oil and coal companies literally learned to deny science from their tobacco-company-lobbyist allies.

So, who else believes smoking doesn't cause cancer? Show of hands, please.


Yes, global warming is real. It's also normal.

Ah, the old standby argument.

"No, kids. Sometimes cancer just happens. The fact that granddad smokes like a chimney has nothing to do with it. Trust me, I'm from Phillip-Morris."

<Sigh>

Now here I have to part ways a bit. Do you really think a plausible denier would really claim that losing our remaining Arctic summer sea ice in five years is normal? I think even the most witless would realize, at some level, that melting down Greenland and raising sea levels 20 feet (wiping out most coastal cities and towns) would be a bit unnatural.

I mean, give them some credit, MacQ.


Yes, human activity is contributing to it, but we really don't know all the facts.

This is what I love about MacQ's sense of irony. Yes, that's right, we don't know every fact about global warming with the absolute knowledge of God, much as we know even less about the Theory of Gravity.

Yet somehow, we still know that neither is caused by invisible fairies, and that if you step off a cliff, the invisible fairies won't catch you.

No, you'll simply hit the bottom and die.

Good one, MacQ. =)


It's still not as warm as it was 1000 years ago, when the vikings were growing oats in Greenland.

Here's where MacQ really betrays his deep concern about global warming. We'll ignore the spurious throwaway line about 1000 years ago -- that's widely known to be another straw man.

No, what's awesome here is that he's actually managed to bring in the Viking settlements -- colonies that literally destroyed themselves in the face of tremendous natural resources because of a combination of unsustainable economics and an obstinate refusal to live within the bounds of their environment's carrying capacity.

The Greenland Vikings refused to fish -- ever -- despite living in a fisherman's paradise where you could all but seize fish out of the ocean with your hands. No, they insisted on eating beef, and brought in great herds to graze... and completely destroy the ample greenery around their colonies. And when there was nowhere left for their herds to graze, these prosperous colonies were finally forced... to leave. What, you didn't think they'd stoop to fishing, did you?

Archeologists have found 5 fishbones beside one colony, something like 2 beside the other. In other words, even when completely out of food, they would rather go hungry than eat an easily available (and sustainable) source of food.

They made other staggering mistakes with their economics and their environment, to be sure, but none as awesome as that one.


The earth has gone up and down in temperature for 4 billion years. When it gets cold we call it an ice age. We've been coming out of an ice age for about 900 years now. When we come out of an ice age, temperatures go up.

Yes, and when they go up to this degree, eventually Greenland and then Antarctica melt. First sea levels rise 20 feet, then 200. So who cares if either of those happen in a geological fingersnap, even if that snap may be finished in only a decade or two? =)

Seriously, why not just say, "Bwah-hah-hah! You're all going to die! You're all going to die!"


By all means, be environmentally-minded. Recycle, reduce your carbon footprint. Just don't buy into the panic, and do not listen to anyone who says that the solution to the problem is to give them money and power.

Ah, how quickly he sees through me.

Disclaimer: Yes, I am inventor of both innovative processes and simple devices. Yes, I am talking to a relief organization about giving them a rather large number of them (what can I say, I know the founder, and I can't exploit them all).
-- And yes, I do have have one innovation that -- if the prototype works -- I'll be using to crush my rivals in the free market through simple, crude economics and technological superiority. No donations necessary, thanks.
-- Though, now that you mention it... maybe I am one of those creepy capitalists who doesn't think he could make a profit -- if all of his customers are dead. (Wow. That is twisted...)

[Dry Observer]

(And anyway, it may not in the long run be a
problem; the earth is pretty good at healing itself-- during the El Nino a
few years ago, its rotation actually slowed down, resulting in a reduction
in sea temperatures;

Okay.

Meanwhile, unfortunately, we're all dead. Possible downside.

Even if you're right. =)


the thinning of the ozone layer is now repaired to about where we thought it would take 50 years to reach;

Note how he keeps bringing up our easy and overwhelming success in handling the last global environmental disaster -- ozone depletion.

Yeah! Preach it, brother! =)


the restoration of the mess from the Exxon Valdez
is also several decades ahead of where it was predicted to be.)

According to Exxon: Yes, yes it is.

According to the typical expert on how bad it is if massive quantities of oil ooze their way into your ecosystem before they can be contained: Not so much.

But who are we to question the lobbyists, eh?


Also remember that the most
environmentally-responsible economic policy is capitalism. The worst
pollution among developed nations has always come from communist countries.


Ah yes, because someone was proposing we have to adopt communism in order to save ourselves. Truly, the cherry atop your sunday of an argument,
MacQuarrie -- the idea that your "global-warming-denier" persona was subtly
accusing those fighting global warming of being "communists." That touch of
unsubtle irony is most welcome, sir. =)

So, any of you other earth-lovin' Commies want to take a shot at Big Oil and Big Coal? Huh, do ya, punks?!

-----

Look, to sum up MacQ's masterful dissertation above:

Imagine you're paying a lot of money in exchange for the right to beat yourself over the head with a tire iron.

You have two people arguing about it. One, we'll call him Dry, insists this behavior could very well kill you. The other, we'll call him Faux-MacQ, insists that it couldn't possibly kill you.

Under the circumstances, do you continue to pay lots of money to beat yourself over the head with the tire iron?

Or as the real MacQ might say, do you really want to pay $100-a-barrel for toxic, polluting energy whose profits often support terrorists and fascist regimes, or would you prefer to go for some vastly cheaper source of clean power...

...Even if beating yourself over the head with that $100-a-barrel oil never actually killed you, or everyone you know, at all?

[Nick Soapdish]

Yes, global warming is real. It's also normal. Yes, human activity is contributing to it, but we really don't know all the facts. It's still not as warm as it was 1000 years ago, when the vikings were growing oats in Greenland.


Actually, it's not.

Greenland was about the same as it was now a thousand years ago. Supposedly, Greenland was the world's first known advertising, but throughout the entire life of the two Norse colonies, they were on the brink. They weren't able to farm and were only able to graze cattle right at the mouths of fjords. (The greenery wasn't that ample, but even now, it's a lot more green than one might assume.) Even then, they would've been a lot better off if they had grazed sheep and goats (which they do today, but it's hugely expensive). An even better plan would've been to emulate the Inuit and fish, dress differently, trade with them for walrus tusks (since it was a luxury good that used to ensure that they'd get trade from Europe while the Muslims blocked the routes to Africa) and other stuff. But they didn't.

They couldn't really. Greenland was such a marginal environment for them to inhabit that they couldn't afford to take chances and experiment, a mindset that they'd brought over from Iceland because of similar problems once they realized that appearances to the contrary, it wasn't just like mainland Scandinavia and the forests wouldn't just grow back.

But yeah, I definitely agree that it's too early to be pointing fingers at global warming for this. The weather patterns are still within the natural variability which still outweighs the effects of climate change. That'll probably be the case for decades to come, but we'll be able to point at the trends of increasingly extreme weather as evidence for climate change and that it was probably due to that. I just don't see how we can do a cause-and-effect for specific events.

And Dry, please rein it in a bit. The snark isn't helping your case.

[Dry Observer]

And Dry, please rein it in a bit. The snark isn't helping your case.

You know, Nick, if you can honestly look at the facts and charts I've included above, I agree... there's probably no way you can be convinced short of watching our whole coastline go underwater.

Look at it again. Forget the humor. Does that look like anything but a global cataclysm in the making?

If not, then ignore it -- and just consider the parable of the tire iron.

Does it really matter whether beating yourself over the head ends up killing you, or not?

[Crowley]

For me living here... Chicago weather going from 8 degrees last week up to 60 degrees today...

SEEMS ODD.

But the lovely weather blond is telling me that we've now broken a record from 1907 where on this day it was 54 degrees.

[Kyuubi]

Water is falling from the sky and I don't know how to stop it. I've prayed to it, sacrificed a virgin to it, given to charity for it, offered myself sexually to it. . .



and NOTHING!





A little help?

[Crowley]

http://www.eat-online.net/water/images/miscellaneous/umbrella.jpg

[Kyuubi]

What the hell is that?

[Kevin Vetter]

You're right Lester, it does seem very strange. I live in central Illinois, and 3 days ago it didn't get above 10 degrees. By Monday it's supposed to hit 60. A temperature change in that short amount of time is very strange.

Such a big temperature change in that short of time happening here isn't really that strange. The only odd thing about it is that its happening in january instead of march and april. I remember a few years ago it was in the 70's and a few hours later it was in the 20s with below zero windchills.

[Cam63]

Water is falling from the sky and I don't know how to stop it. I've prayed to it, sacrificed a virgin to it, given to charity for it, offered myself sexually to it. . .



and NOTHING!





A little help?

Stop offering yourself sexually.

[Lester C.]

It's summer time in the city! The whole state is in a good mood. It's like Christmas all over again.:)

[Solaris]

http://www.eat-online.net/water/images/miscellaneous/umbrella.jpg


I WANT ONE!!! Where the heck did you find that thing? :D (And no---to the impending 100 "What, an umbrella?" answers from all you smartasses out there---an umbrella with the CONSTELLATIONS on it! Cool!)

[Kyuubi]

Stop offering yourself sexually.



You sound just like everyone at the police department.

[Cam63]

Those tasers sting a whole bunch, don't they ?

[Nick Soapdish]

You know, Nick, if you can honestly look at the facts and charts I've included above, I agree... there's probably no way you can be convinced short of watching our whole coastline go underwater.

Look at it again. Forget the humor. Does that look like anything but a global cataclysm in the making?

If not, then ignore it -- and just consider the parable of the tire iron.

Does it really matter whether beating yourself over the head ends up killing you, or not?

In my opinion ...

The receding glaciers is related to climate change which is primarily anthropogenic.

The weather may be related, but I don't think that you can point to a single event and say it was global warming. Climate is a lot easier to get a fix on than weather because it's fairly static except in the long term. Weather isn't.

[Kyuubi]

Those tasers sting a whole bunch, don't they ?



I've built up an immunity.

[sk716]

Thread revival!

Tuesday morning, March 4th, 2008 - Hot Springs, Arkansas.

The view from my bedroom window.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i194/sk716/0304080636-00.jpg

That's snow...

In Arkansas...

In March...

And they're calling for more Friday.

Global warming my butt. It got freaking cold! 65 degrees today, though.

[Cam63]

Thread revival!

Tuesday morning, March 4th, 2008 - Hot Springs, Arkansas.

The view from my bedroom window.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i194/sk716/0304080636-00.jpg

That's snow...

In Arkansas...

In March...

And they're calling for more Friday.

Global warming my butt. It got freaking cold! 65 degrees today, though.

Go outside and make a snow lebian !

[Paradox]

Michigan weather has been hot and cold and warm, with lots of snow and rain and hail and the occasional lightning storm. Business as usual. Only difference I can see is we had a REAL winter this year, instead of all those pansy ones we've had for about 4-5 years. People around here have short memories and keep thinking this winter is unusual.

[Lester C.]

Thread revival!

Tuesday morning, March 4th, 2008 - Hot Springs, Arkansas.

The view from my bedroom window.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i194/sk716/0304080636-00.jpg

That's snow...

In Arkansas...

In March...

And they're calling for more Friday.

Global warming my butt. It got freaking cold! 65 degrees today, though.

It's like you're not even trying anymore. You're making it way too easy, my old adversary.

[Shisho]

Well, Charlotte has always been screwey around this time of year. A good rule of thumb is that if you don't like the weather, wait 15 minutes. But we're still smack in the middle of a crazy drought that doesn't look like it's getting much better. (A little better, but not much.) This makes me sad on many levels. My garden will suffer, the grass and local farming will suffer, water restrictions are still in affect, and we won't get as many fireflies as I like in the summer. :(

[Lester C.]

It's !@#$ing cold. Wasn't it summer a few days ago?:mad:

[Ben Morgan]

Eh, it's always summer here

[Lester C.]

Eh, it's always summer here

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Ben Morgan]

I wish we got snow!

[Flamebird]

I wish we got snow!

Yeah without snow, what do you write your name in? :eek: :evilsmile:

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Its cold and snowing here....down in the 30's for like 2 days.

[Lester C.]

Six inches of Snow tonight and many more to come during the week.:mad:

[schwamp]

I wish we got snow!

It's merely an hour to the north son. We got it all. Let's see........day before Dec 1st and I'm going about in shorts and a t-shirt, comfortably. Can't complain.

[Lester C.]

It's merely an hour to the north son. We got it all. Let's see........day before Dec 1st and I'm going about in shorts and a t-shirt, comfortably. Can't complain.

*Looks out the window*

I hope you get hit by an Earthquake, Landslide and fire in succession.:mad: (Not really I actually wish we could switch places.:redface: )

[schwamp]

All I'm saying is that it's unnatural. Shouldn't there be some consistency in the weather based on how it's been during years past?

Yes. Weather is very unnatural.

[Crowforge]

Snow then rain today.

[Tobias March]

Storms, rain and lightning - and Neville the family dog was shaking so much we had to drug the poor fecker.

Then today - blisteringly hot and beautiful.

[Ben Morgan]

The past week has been in the 70s here

[Cam63]

I've gone commando in my possum skin coat... just to be safe.

[Mermaid]

I've gone commando in my possum skin coat... just to be safe.


:eek: Should I read back a page and actually find out why you would have shared that with us? :biggrin:

[Flamebird]

I've gone commando in my possum skin coat... just to be safe.

No one needed that visual, Cam.

Meanwhile, we finally got some pretty snow flurries yesterday.

It's all melted and gone now, but it was fun to watch. :biggrin:

[Mermaid]

reading back didn't really help! http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/melbournemermaid/runforhills.gif

[Cam63]

Dah da da... Dah da da dahhh....

Let me entertain you...

[Mermaid]

:eek:


































Not helping!
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/melbournemermaid/runforhills.gif

[Cam63]

You want me to use the fan feathers instead ?

[Mermaid]

You want me to use the fan feathers instead ?


hmm....swoon or hurl....decisions decisions...? :redface: :rolleyes:

[Cam63]

You'll need a pillow and a bucket.

[Mermaid]

I'm jsut praying it was more than one possum.....or a very very large one :wink:

[Cam63]

It was more like a snuffaluffagus.

[Mermaid]

I may need to google that one!

Off to bed, nites Cam.

[Lester C.]

There is a !@#$ing snow storm outside in April. I think when I get home I'm going to get snockered on some coffee.:frown:

[Cam63]

Bloody weird... The week after the Victoria fires when temperatures were in the 40s, they had a cold snap and they were appealing for winter clothes for people who'd lost everything.

[Tobias March]

Bloody weird... The week after the Victoria fires when temperatures were in the 40s, they had a cold snap and they were appealing for winter clothes for people who'd lost everything.

Man the rainstorm the other night kept me up till all hours.....you guys have hard rain.

[Lester C.]

Bloody weird... The week after the Victoria fires when temperatures were in the 40s, they had a cold snap and they were appealing for winter clothes for people who'd lost everything.

There are some people that should be killed badly, brought back to life, and killed badly again everyday for many, many years. The people who were behind the fires would be on that very short list of people who need to suffer and suffer some more for what they have done.

[Mermaid]

Man the rainstorm the other night kept me up till all hours.....you guys have hard rain.

We're having tremendous amounts of rain down here in VIC the last few days. I can't remember the last time it rained this much. After seven weeks of no rain in JAN and FEB this seems like winter all at once.

[KPhoebe]

We're having tremendous amounts of rain down here in VIC the last few days. I can't remember the last time it rained this much. After seven weeks of no rain in JAN and FEB this seems like winter all at once.

And thank whatever's applicable, cause boy do we need it.

[friginator]

Tulsa had snow a few weeks ago.

[Lester C.]

It's looking like the Apocalypse outside. Again. This has been one scary summer weather wise. Supposedly the ash from the Iceland volcano is fucking up our weather but I think that's bullshit. At least I HOPE that's bullshit.:eek:

[Vesper]

This was our sunset from 6/18. Very very orange:

http://webpages.charter.net/vespae/treesun3.jpg