Universally Reviled Character Thread (For ODDBALL COMICS fans!) [Archive]

Jeremy A. Patterson

11-22-2005, 01:19 PM

I have found this at the Golden/Silver/Bronze Age Message Board!

It is based around the theme of UNIVERSALLY REVILED COMIC BOOK CHARACTERS; & It included quite a few names that are very familiar to all of you ODDBALL COMICS fans: All four new members of the circa-1984 JUSTICE LEAGUE DETROIT (VIBE, GYPSY, STEEL, & VIXEN); BAT-MITE; The Archie Comics version of The SHADOW; KITTY PRYDE; GILGAMESH; HERBIE the ROBOT (From the 1970s FANTASTIC FOUR cartoon); The BRAIN EMPOROR (An old MIGHTY CRUSADERS villain); Dr. DRUID; CABLE; SHATTERSTAR; DIABLO; The FAB FOUR (HY, CRISPY, EL, & POLYMER POLLY); The ROSE & The THORN; & The SUPER-BLACKHAWKS (M'SIEU MACHINE, The LISTENER, Dr. HANDS, & the rest)!

There is one major quibble: The thread refers to a "Magazine Enterprises CAPTAIN MARVEL"; The writer might be referring to the M.F. Enterprises CAPTAIN MARVEL (SPLIT!!!!)

Check this thread out for yourself: www.comicboards.com/gsmb/view.php?trd=051122140651

Also, tell us what YOU thought about this thread? (Some of these heroes must have SOME following!)

J.A.P.

Caged_Horse

11-22-2005, 01:40 PM

Peter Parker's 'parents'.

Mike Kuypers

11-22-2005, 03:37 PM

"Universally reviled" assumes an awful lot. I wasn't a big fan of Justice League Detroit, but I thought Vixen emerged as an interesting character. And although (or perhaps because) I stopped reading X-Men about 15 years ago I wasn't aware Kitty Pryde was "universally reviled."

Depending where on the Net you hang out, Identity Crisis could be considered "universally reviled."

Is the Rose & Thorn referred to the recent miniseries revival?

G. Rice

11-22-2005, 06:58 PM

Lessee...

The Atlas character Ironjaw...a Conan ripoff who was a thinly disguised rapist.

The revamped non-Bruce Wayne Batman

The electric Superman

Charleton's Dan Garret Blue Beetle...dreadful!

The Hellrider...a magazine formated b&w superhero who smoked, cussed, slept around and killed people with a motorcycle mounted flamethrower.

The comic version of Aunt Harriet.

The human impersonating Metal Men...outfitted with artificial skin, one became a contruction engineer, another an artist, Platinum became an actress, etc.

The redone bionic version of Secret Six...what the hell was wrong with the first version???

DP 7

Any of the futuristic rewrites of Marvel characters...Doom, Punisher, the Hulk, the FF, etc.

The Shogun Warriors

Hex...the incredibly inane Road Warrior variation of Jonah Hex

The Black Hood's robot jackass

Scott Shaw!

11-22-2005, 08:13 PM

Huh. I was always under the impression that Scrappy-Doo was the most universally-reviled character of all time!

Aloha,

Scott!

P.S.: I guess it'll come as a surprise to no one that I always dug Bat-Mite -- at least in his comic book incarnation. Thanks to Evan Dorkin, I even got to draw 'im in SUPERMAN/BATMAN: WORLD'S FUNNEST! -- SS!

CaptChucky

11-22-2005, 08:45 PM

I have found this at the Golden/Silver/Bronze Age Message Board!

It is based around the theme of UNIVERSALLY REVILED COMIC BOOK CHARACTERS; & It included quite a few names that are very familiar to all of you ODDBALL COMICS fans: ... BAT-MITE; ....

What? Bat-Mite??? Who doesn't like Bat-Mite? ...Universally reviled? Somehow I doubt that.

Jeff O.

11-23-2005, 12:59 AM

P.S.: I guess it'll come as a surprise to no one that I always dug Bat-Mite -- at least in his comic book incarnation. Thanks to Evan Dorkin, I even got to draw 'im in SUPERMAN/BATMAN: WORLD'S FUNNEST! -- SS!

At Funnyrama Spring Break in 2004, Evan Dorkin was kind enough to draw Bat-Mite for me. The character even "breaks the fourth wall" in the sketch, acknowledging that he's been drawn. What a treat!

carson demmans

11-23-2005, 06:16 AM

Scooby Doo's nephew Scrappy Doo
Popeye's "friend" Shorty
The filmation version of Batmite
Turbo Teen
The New Teen Titans Kole
Dan Garrett, Blue Beetle

dougputhoff

11-23-2005, 06:44 AM

Seven posts and nobody's mentioned Dazzler?

MWGallaher

11-23-2005, 06:47 AM

I don't know that Kole was "universally reviled" but the New Teen Titans' Danny Chase was probably as close to meeting the requirements as anyone, at least among Titans fans--heck, he was drawn to look like Cousin Oliver, so it's almost like Marv Wolfman was trying to "jump the shark" by forcing a brat onto the team.
If their creators are to be believed, readers were supposed to hate the JLA's Triumph and the Azrael incarnation of Batman.

And I've got a lot of love for some of the characters that have been suggested so for (Captain Marvel and the New Secret Six in particular) and can enjoy lots of the others (Bat-Mite and Shogun Warriors stand out).

Sijo

11-23-2005, 07:38 AM

I have to disagree with nearly all the suggestions so far, with the exceptions of Identity Crisis and Hellrider. At worst, many of those named can be considered lame. But universally reviled? There's much worse stuff out there.

And the filmation version of Bat-Mite is my FAVORITE. Nowhere else was he given so much characterization. Like He-Man's Orco, he was there for comedy relief, but he kept trying to be a hero, and actually saved the day once! A inspiration to all us underdogs. :)

Jeremy A. Patterson

11-23-2005, 08:00 AM

The thread agreed with you on the matter of HEX!

Do you have any cases of UNIVERSALLY REVILED animation characters or game show hosts?????????

J.A.P.

Buzz Dixon

11-23-2005, 09:06 AM

I've said this before, carson, but what I like about Shorty is that Popeye murdered him and he stayed murdered!

Novaya Havoc

11-23-2005, 09:11 AM

Seven posts and nobody's mentioned Dazzler?

Dazzler is the bombdiggity. So shush. ;P

airboy

11-23-2005, 10:40 AM

I guess it'll come as a surprise to no one that I always dug Bat-Mite -- at least in his comic book incarnation.

Scott!,

I agree --- Bat-Mite was GREAT!

Cheers,
Roger

Gothos

11-23-2005, 11:09 AM

I don't see anything wrong with Diablo. Perfectly good second-tier villain.

Kirayoshi

11-23-2005, 12:50 PM

Kitty Pryde, universally reviled?

Only in the Bizarro-World Marvel Universe!

The girl does have a solid fan base, notably among X-creators. She is reputed to be one of the favorite X-Men(if not THE favorite) of both Chris Claremont and Joss Whedon. During the Morlock Masacre when Kitty's life was threatened, the letter's page was loaded with "Don't you dare!" messages. Hardly putting her in the same class as Scrappy Doo.

Sabrinaset

11-23-2005, 01:23 PM

The Scarlet Spider/Spider-Clone.

Danny Chase from Teen Titans.

Gilgamesh and D-Man from the Avengers.

Wesley Crusher.

Buzz Dixon

11-23-2005, 03:45 PM

I remember several fans wearing buttons at sci-fi cons in the 80s that read "Wesley + air lock = Good Idea"

G. Rice

11-23-2005, 11:18 PM

More!

Adric, Turlough and Peri from Doctor Who.

Tomazooza the living totem from Fantastic Four late 60's...name should be a dead giveaway!!

Leap Frog from Daredevil

The Locust from original X-Men. A guy who dressed like a bug and mutated grasshoppers...sounds enthralling, don't it?

The motion picture version of Dr. Loveless. Michael Dunn was one of the most memorable bad guys in TV history. The film character wasn't anywhere close.

Cinematic ipacac Austin Powers

Trite Warner Brothers cartoon character Buddy, esp when compared to hyperkinetic predecessor Bosko.

Sheep in the City (Cartoon Network)

Birmingham Jones from the Charlie Chan films

MacQuarrie

11-24-2005, 12:01 AM

I loved Kitty Pryde right up until they did that stupid Belasco storyline. That was when she started getting annoying. Lord only knows what they've done with her since then; that was when I dropped X-Men. Never looked back.

carson demmans

11-24-2005, 06:20 AM

I had forgotten about Danny CHase; either that or I had blocked out the memory; but yes, he was at least as bad as the kole fiasco

Buzz, I have never seen the cartoon where Popeye shoots shorty, but I wish I had

Charlie Ryan

11-24-2005, 08:59 AM

Hula-Hula from the Plastic Man cartoon

Jason Todd

Zook

Shilo Norman, Super Trouble

any Rob Liefeld character (especially his Bizarro version of Captain America)

Mike Kuypers

11-24-2005, 09:49 AM

Jason Todd

In the call-in vote to kill Jason Todd or save him, death won by a mere handful of votes. For a character that was supposedly "universally reviled" that wasn't very convincing evidence.

Scott Shaw!

11-24-2005, 10:07 AM

Y'know, it's been said countless times before, but I don't think there are many -- if any -- intrinsically "bad" comic book characters, just bad handling of 'em.

For example, who wouldn't like to read a "J'onn J'onnz" story written from Zook's point-of-view? Was Zook really just an alien Dondi with Fred Flintstone's haircut, or was he something more? What did he think of J'onn?

Or what if Shilo Norman wasn't remotely as streetwise as he tried to act? What if, in his day-to-day life, he was the nerdiest kid in the ghetto, a comic fan who was always getting his ass kicked? (That would account for his less-than-convincing dialog!) And suddenly, he found himself a candidate for becoming a superhero?

I think there's untapped interesting material inherent in most somewhat uninspired characters.

Aloha,

Scott!

Charlie Ryan

11-24-2005, 10:33 AM

Very true, Scott! --- but --- Hula-Hula??

(BTW, why was there a Hula-Hula and not a Woozy Winks on the show?)

carson demmans

11-24-2005, 10:43 AM

Charlie, Woozy read the script for the pilot and siad there was no way in hell he would be involved

Scott Shaw!

11-24-2005, 03:42 PM

Okay, I'll bite:

Hula-Hula is given special superpowers by the Hawaiian God Of Excess, Lono, transforming him into Poi Boy, a different kind of morphing hero who can really "hang loose". Plas finds himself jealous of Poi-Boy's instant celebrity, so he sends him off to Walla Walla to track down that insatiable chicken who keeps eating the buttons off of the aloha shirts worn by that fat Filipino guy in SMILIN' JACK. Completing that mission, he forms a new super-team -- The League Of Embarassing Ethnic Sidekicks -- which includes Pieface, Ebony White, Chop-Chop, Steamboat and Flippa-Dippa.

Man, are those meds really workin' or what?

Aloha,

Scott!

Buzz Dixon

11-24-2005, 06:13 PM

Many years ago, a big budget film was being produced out in the middle of the Mojave Desert. Despite being an A-budget production, the film had continuing script problems, so the producer flew the writer out to the location to talk about a solution to them.

The producer suggested they take a drive to get away from the hubbub of the shoot and have some privacy to think and talk. So the two drove off into the hills.

However, the producer took a wrong turn and they soon became lost. To make matters worse, while traveling over rough terrain they hit a rock and smashed the radiator on the car; the water soon leaked out and the car came to a grinding halt.

Realizing that nobody knew where they were, the producer and the writer began walking back in the direction of what they hoped was the location shoot. But as I said, they were lost and soon they became only more lost, the fierce desert sun mercilessly beating down on them.

The two wandered for hours, their bodies dehydrated, their tongues swelling and cracking with thirst. They stumbled to the top of a small rise and there before them stood a miraculous sight: In the middle of all that nothingness was an open barrel of jucey cling peaches, filled to the brim with nectar.

Unable to believe their eyes, the two stumbled down to the barrel. To their amazement, it was exactly what is seemed to be: A big, open 55-gallon drum filled with cling peaches, the contents so cold that moisture was forming along the sides of the barrel.

Weeping with joy and delight, the writer scooped up a big handful of the cold, wet fruit but before he could eat the producer said, "Wait a minute -- let me piss in 'em to make 'em better."

Sijo

11-24-2005, 06:53 PM

More!
Tomazooza the living totem from Fantastic Four late 60's...name should be a dead giveaway!!
Uh, I think you mean Tomazooma the Living Idol, a robot pretending to be a god from Johnny Storm's Native American friend's tribe. Oh, and the Living Totem was someone else- an alien from (if I recall) a Rawhide Kid story. OK, so both were terribly poorly thought out concepts. But then, old comics were filled with what writers believed were appropriate cultural references, not realizing how offensive they might actually be. They should've done some reasearch first...

Cinematic ipacac Austin Powers
Err...Cinematic what?

G. Rice

11-24-2005, 10:24 PM

Err...Cinematic what?

Sorry about my crap spelling...
Cinematic IPECAC (with an E).

I'd know Justices like Sandra Day
Recall the law of Farraday

Conclude who killed Bob Crane

And my skull would have less static
My spelling not monosylabic

If I only had a brain!

Mike Kuypers

11-25-2005, 06:27 AM

Err...Cinematic what?

On the chance you were inquiring about the meaning of the word and not its spelling Ipecac is something you take to induce vomiting.

Now aren't you sorry you asked? :)

carson demmans

11-25-2005, 07:42 AM

Funny story BUzz about Hula Hula. Is there a similar expanation as to why Penny's cup size seemed to change every episode? (I think that was her name; she started off as a sidekick with Hula Hula and ended up beign the mother of Plasticbaby, and the subject of many obscene fanfics which speculated on what sex with Plasticman was like)

Charlie Ryan

11-25-2005, 08:52 AM

I never imagined my query would elicit such an outpouring of creativity from Buzz and Scott! (Certainly, much more than went into the creation of Hula-Hula.)

P.S. Buzz, I believe you failed to mention that after adding his creative juices to the fruit, the producer's studio invited four more producers over to the site to watch and give notes.

G. Rice

11-25-2005, 11:25 AM

"Hula Hula" was a cautionary use of multiculturalism. Kid shows with too many Cauc characters gives ammo to public interest groups and reach smaller advertising audiences.

To that end, the in-charge people darkened Woozy, gave him a weird "I'm a Polynesian" pineapples exclamation, then mulled over the only South Pacific words they were familiar with...aloha, poi, luau, or hula...to create a name.

So they added to the show a fat, stupid nudnik who wears funny clothes, makes lame expressions, gets in the way instead of helping, and sounds like a whiney Lou Costello...all apparently because he's a brown skinned Hawaiian.

"But you can't say we made the show too vanilla now, so nyaaa!"

Scott Shaw!

11-25-2005, 11:56 AM

Cinematic ipacac Austin Powers

I love the first AUSTIN POWERS movie; it still makes me laugh out loud -- and even tear up (during Dr. Evil's speech about the 60s failure) -- every time I see it (and that's been dozens of times.) What I like best about the character is that, although he's a homely, hairy, goofy, slightly self-deluded nerd who's learned how to fake impersonating a swinger/hero, he's also a sensitive and ethical man who -- as a lonely, living anachronism of the 1960s, is quite a tragic figure. That scene where he flashes a peace sign at the nightclubbing hipsters of 1997 is really affecting.

As a fan of James Bond, the 60s in general, the Big Boy and BEYOND THE VALLEY OF THE DOLLS, I was ecstatic to see every point hit perfectly. In fact, the entire film is cast perfectly, with cameos by Clint Howard and Charles Napier (him again!) Oddly, the two sequels sicken me; I can't stand to watch them.

In the first film, Mike Meyers concocted the perfect ode to the 60s, James Bond and geeks everywhere. Despite its excesses, the movie is very sweet and even romantic. When it proved to be such a video smash, Meyers merely repeated the same situations in his sequels, shoveling on the gross-outs without a scintilla of the wit or sweetness he exhibited earlier.

I think it's the repeated formula that's made Austin Powers so reviled in certain quarters; if he had only appeared in that first movie, he'd be still cherished. Although successful, THE SPY WHO SHAGGED ME and GOLDMEMBER (and reportedly, a third sequel >shudder<) have all-but-obliterated just how smart/dumb/funny/touching and entirely unexpected AUSTIN POWERS really was.

Aloha,

Scott!

P.S.: One of the most disturbing moments of my life was going to see the highly-anticipated THE SPY WHO SHAGGED ME, being tremendously let down by the movie itself, and then, even worse, emerging fromt the theatre and receiving humiliating looks from other moviegoers that clearly showed their horror and revulsion by a real-life "fat bastard" such as myself. I don't even wear a kilt! -- SS!

carson demmans

11-25-2005, 12:38 PM

The first movie was great, Goldmember was OK, especially the clips starring Tom Cruiese, John Travolta and Danny Devito, but the second movie was horrible. I think the character has a lot of potential though and could be a franchise for a couple of more films if they are done better than the second and third ones.

Surprisingly, nobody has disputed my claim that Turbo Teen was in fact universally reviled.

Caged_Horse

11-25-2005, 12:38 PM

Something really irritating about The Spy Who Shagged Me was when they used footage straight from Apollo 13 for the lift-off sequence. A cheap stunt which ironically -- because of the production values of the latter -- actually looked better than anything else in the movie!

Jeremy A. Patterson

12-01-2005, 11:27 AM

Here are four more UNIVERSALLY REVILED CHARACTERS from the Golden/Silver/Bronze Age Message Board: STORM (From the X-MEN); The PROTECTOR (From the fourth & final issue of Atlas/Seaboard's PHOENIX); The non-HOWARD CHAYKIN SCORPION (From the third & final issue of Atlas/Seaboard's The SCORPION); JOHN TARGITT, MAN-STALKER; & REVERB/HARDLINE (From DC's CONGLOMERATE)

Most of these guys deserve the ODDBALL treatment!

Thanks;

Jeremy Aron Patterson.

G. Rice

12-01-2005, 12:17 PM

Jeremy A. Patterson

12-01-2005, 12:41 PM

Actually, it was ED LOVE that labeled STORM as REVILED!

ED quoted:
"Now, STORM, I never cared much for!"

www.comicboards.com/gsmb/view.php?rpl=051122142330

J.A.P.

Mike Kuypers

12-01-2005, 02:40 PM

One man's opinion hardly constitutes a "universally reviled" character.

airboy

12-01-2005, 03:13 PM

One man's opinion hardly constitutes a "universally reviled" character.

Mike,

I suppose it depends on the size of one's universe...

Cheers,
Roger

ElectraAlan

12-04-2005, 02:10 PM

I love South Park, but I just realized, I really hate Mr Hankey. I cringe every time there's a Mr. Hankey episode. A living piece of poo with the personality of Mickey Mouse. Too damn disgusting to be funny.

Caged_Horse

12-04-2005, 02:23 PM

Terra in The New Teen Titans: a petulant crybaby revealed to be a psychopathic and twisted traitoress. Too bad Wolfman and Perez devoted only 1 page to her death.

David O Burcham

12-04-2005, 03:53 PM

"Heroes Reborn" Bucky.

Jeremy A. Patterson

12-19-2005, 07:55 AM

I am going to write an e-mail to NIGHTS with Alice Cooper that is about JUSTICE LEAGUE DETROIT that will be intended for the show's FREAKY FUN FACTS segment!

Hope you like it!

J.A.P,

Jeremy A. Patterson

12-20-2005, 08:32 AM

Here are some reviled foes:

*The Eraser (From the Mighty Comics Group of the 1960s)

*The Eraser (From the pages of Batman #188)

*The Eraserhead (From the pages of Heroic Publishing's Icicle #1)

*Angle Man

*The I.Q. Gang (From the pages of Hawkman #7)

*Black Zero (From the pages of Superman #205)

*Brutus Force (From the pages of Green Lantern #39)

*Black Hand (From GL#29)

And...

*Sonar (From GL #19)

So, are any of THESE ODDBALL COMICS material???

J.A.P.

carson demmans

12-20-2005, 09:05 AM

I always liked Black Hand and Brutus FOrce, but Sonar had the most god awful costume! He looked like he should be leading a flying marching band instead of menacing humanity. In terms of loser villains, I'd add GUnshy Barton from Batman, the Lord of Time (Who had to be rescued by the Justice League on at least one occassion), the Key (who never made any sense), and the Parrot (From Golden age human torch; no powers; he just had the head of a parrot, which naturally drove him to crime)

Jeremy A. Patterson

12-26-2005, 01:10 PM

I am going to tell you about the UNIVERSALLY REVILED crossover event MILLENNIUM: It was formatted like SECRET WARS 2 (It had a branch & loop back-type structure); It produced an UNIVERSALLY REVILED spin-off (The NEW GUARDIANS); It had racial & sexuality-based stereotyping; The bad guy was from South Africa who was a racist; & it was tied with BLOODLINES for the title of Worst Crossover Ever"!

Any questions?

J.A.P.

Caged_Horse

12-26-2005, 05:10 PM

Any questions?

Yeah...

1) Why was Steve Engelhart (writer of Millennium) ever considered anything other than a hack?

2) Why did DC think it appropriate to follow the Perez-pencilled Crisis and the Byrne-drawn Legends by allocating art duties to...Joe Staton?! He's excellent when it comes to silly stuff (I loved E-Man), but his style hardly suits 'serious' superheroics.

3) Why did the inker of Millennium, Brit Ian Gibson, diss the series before it was even released? Actually, that one I can answer: because it was the right and proper thing to do!

dougputhoff

12-26-2005, 07:31 PM

MacQuarrie

12-26-2005, 09:05 PM

Actually, it was ED LOVE that labeled STORM as REVILED!

ED quoted:
"Now, STORM, I never cared much for!"

www.comicboards.com/gsmb/view.php?rpl=051122142330

J.A.P.
"Never much cared for" is a long way from "reviled".

Sabrinaset

12-26-2005, 09:49 PM

Does Paris Hilton count as a universally reviled cartoon character?

Buzz Dixon

12-27-2005, 04:52 PM

Does Paris Hilton count as a universally reviled cartoon character?
Only if "reviled" means --

...no, I can't say it... :eek:

Jeremy A. Patterson

12-30-2005, 02:35 PM

Paris Hilton is a real person, not a fictional character!

J.A.P.

Buzz Dixon

12-30-2005, 03:55 PM

Being flesh and blood doesn't stop her from being a cartoon...

dougputhoff

12-31-2005, 02:26 AM

I thought Paris Hilton was hotel in France.

Happy New Year Everybody!

Sabrinaset

12-31-2005, 05:13 PM

The Paris Hilton is open 24/7 and has easy access to the front and rear entrances. When you and your friends enter the Paris Hilton, you will discover that it is very roomy inside.
http://www.tinotopia.com/log/archive/images/paris-hilton-1.jpg http://www.d.lycos.de/startseite/news/dpa/pic/Paris-Hilton_9936876_onlineBild.jpg

MacQuarrie

12-31-2005, 06:04 PM

The Paris Hilton is open 24/7 and has easy access to the front and rear entrances. When you and your friends enter the Paris Hilton, you will discover that it is very roomy inside.
And the other Paris Hilton is a hotel.

{rimshot}

Jeremy A. Patterson

01-03-2006, 07:04 AM

Let's get back to Millennium:

I agree with Caged Horse, Steve Engelhart was in some kind of a slump during most of the 1980s!

J.A.P.

Albert

01-04-2006, 01:59 AM

Snoopy's cousin Spike? I mean, he's no Scrappy Doo... but he did seem a bland knock off, and didn't fit in at all with the rest of the Peanuts mileu.

Jeremy A. Patterson

01-13-2006, 11:47 AM

G. Rice, the name of the show you are referring to is SHEEP IN THE BIG CITY!

There have been several made for cable animated TV shows that could fall under the category of "Universally Reviled"!

Jeremy Aron Patterson.

G. Rice

01-13-2006, 01:07 PM

G. Rice, the name of the show you are referring to is SHEEP IN THE BIG CITY!

As George Patton may have said..."tanks, a bunch!"

Jeremy A. Patterson

01-18-2006, 08:01 AM

Well, everyone, there have been other examples of "Universally Reviled" made-for-cable animation that are worth mentioning in this thread!

Jeremy Aron Patterson.

carson demmans

01-18-2006, 10:42 AM

In terms of universally hated made for cable cartoon shows, Jeremy, I'd add Monster by Mistake (Bad attempt at CGI) and Little Flying Bears; both shows were canadian, and hopefully they were never shown in your country

Jeremy A. Patterson

02-24-2006, 12:07 PM

Monster By Mistake & Little Flying Bears were rare indeed; There were a few made-for-cable Canadian toons of recent years that did make it here: Donkey Kong Country (Based on the Nintendo games) was shown on ABC Family when it was called the Fox Family Channel; & Nickelodeon's Yakkety Yak come to mind.

J.A.P.

Dizzy D

02-24-2006, 12:47 PM

UNIVERSALLY

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

- Inigo Montoya-

Jeremy A. Patterson

03-04-2006, 07:35 AM

Well, there might a reason for Ian Gibson trashing Millennium, & it is because he was praised for stuff like Halo Jones!

J.A.P.

Charlie Ryan

03-04-2006, 10:21 AM

Well, there might a reason for Ian Gibson trashing Millennium, & it is because he was praised for stuff like Halo Jones!

Klaatu barada nikto!

bartl

03-04-2006, 06:38 PM

Klaatu barada nikto!
Claw, too, borrowed a nicked toe.

Jeremy A. Patterson

03-27-2006, 01:06 PM

How about Dell's Nukla: www.toonopedia.com/nukla.htm

J.A.P.

Charlie Ryan

03-27-2006, 01:47 PM

Nukla barada nikto?

Jeremy A. Patterson

04-05-2006, 12:03 PM

Charlie, that is not funny!

J.A.P.

Donald

04-06-2006, 11:46 AM

Stiltman and American "Godzilla"

Jeremy A. Patterson

04-13-2006, 01:16 PM

Are there any Universally Reviled Golden Age characters?

J.A.P.

scratchie

04-13-2006, 01:38 PM

Are there any Universally Reviled Golden Age characters?.I don't think there's any Universally Reviled anything, anywhere. The "Night Ranger" syndrome.

MichikoS

04-13-2006, 01:52 PM

Night Thrasher

--Michi

theflyingfrogunderdog

04-13-2006, 03:24 PM

How about Obnoxio the Clown? :)
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/58263638044.1.GIF

Reptisaurus!

04-13-2006, 03:37 PM

People don't like Obnoxio the Clown?

That's equivalent to disliking Christmas, Pie, and Sex. ALL AT ONCE!

T GUy

04-13-2006, 04:14 PM

UNIVERSALLY REVILED COMIC BOOK CHARACTERS... The ROSE & The THORN
Cough! Splutter!

Has the name of this series accidentally migrated from the 'back-ups better than the lead feature' thread?

gentlesatirist

04-14-2006, 08:50 AM

...efforts of the late 80s/90s left me cold : Guy Gardner, Lobo, Eclipso, Punisher.

They were just violent motifs and attitudes in search of character. Neither likable nor interesting.

But Scott Shaw really hit the nail on the head with his long-ago citation of Scrappy Doo. Hard to believe that a minor animated character can summon forth so much anger in me. I even try to avoid buying my kids any DVDs or videos with Scrappy on them, even though we're all big Scooby fans.

- FE
Wickliffe OH

Jeremy A. Patterson

04-15-2006, 01:29 PM

... The L.I.F.E. Brigade, one of the many remnants of the 1980s black & white glut: The team included Cher (Or a reasonable facimile) & a mullet wearing freak named Long John Lazer. More info can be found at the following website: www.misterkitty.org/extras/stupidcovers/stupidcomics47.html

J.A.P.

Simon Garth

04-16-2006, 08:42 AM

I'm struggling to think of anything to rival Crappy Doo, though my loathing of Pukemon comes pretty close - hate everything about it, but it's incomprehensibly popular, and so fails the "universal" bit.

Prez? Green Team? Weasley Crusher? Shogun Warriors comic (if that's not universally reviled, it ought to be)?

Jeremy A. Patterson

04-16-2006, 05:15 PM

Well, Prez & The Green Team could rival Scrappy Doo, since they are part of the circa-1978 DC series Cancelled Comic Cavalcade!

J.A.P.

Jeremy A. Patterson

04-25-2006, 08:35 AM

I have two words for you: Super Boxers: www.ape-law.com/GAF/Page41/index.html

J.A.P.

Jeremy A. Patterson

05-11-2006, 07:02 AM

It was one of the worst of the Marvel Graphic Novels of the 1980s! Even the fact that Marvel continually attempts to turn it into a movie gave it an odd reputation!

J.A.P.

Jeremy A. Patterson

10-14-2007, 08:12 AM

How about Obnoxio the Clown? :)
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/58263638044.1.GIF

Well, on that subject, how about the Jamie-Lynn Spears-era cast of All That: It was a mere shadow of what had gone before!

J.A.P.

MWGallaher

10-14-2007, 01:47 PM

It was one of the worst of the Marvel Graphic Novels of the 1980s! Even the fact that Marvel continually attempts to turn it into a movie gave it an odd reputation!

Sorry, Jeremy, but nope, that one's not "universally reviled". It's flawed, but I happen to quite like it, and I know of at least one other Classics board regular who also does. I'd rank it above several of Marvel's Graphic Novel line of the 80's (for example, I think it's far superior to Dazzler: The Movie, Greenberg the Vampire, and The Living Monolith). Whatever happened to inker Armando Gil? He put a lot of life into plotter/penciller Ron Wilson's often-pedestrian pencils, although Ron did an above-average job on his pencils here, probably through pride of ownership. I talked to Ron about this book at a convention around the time of its release, and he was justifiably proud of the final product. I wish it had found its legs in Hollywood: I could see it making a pretty darn fun action film.

thehod

10-15-2007, 03:52 AM

I've found a very nice pussy cat, and I've spotted some pigeons over yonder and whilst I make my way over to them and drop this cute little kitten in amongst them, I'm going to explain why I don't actually hate Scrappy Doo.

I first got into Scooby Doo just as Scrappy was being introduced, and to a 7 year old, Scrappy was really appealing. So I always had rather a soft spot for him after that.

Scooby Doo really got bad when all the shows focused on Scrappy, and they changed the format from half hour investiagtions into people dressed as monsters into short stories with actual monsters. But that wasn't Scrappy's fault guys.

Right. Now I've put this kitty cat in amongst these pigeons I'm gonna high tail it outta here.

foxley

10-17-2007, 04:55 AM

The Archie Comics version of the Shadow. If ever there was a case of creators not getting who a character was, that was it.

Nightstar1441

10-17-2007, 11:36 AM

Anything Marvel UK that was not Death's Head.

Talk about a disaster.

And speaking of horrid and putrid - Youngblood comes to mind

icctrombone

10-18-2007, 01:03 AM

Mentioning anything Leifeld is Too easy, but Badrock ? Boy did that character suck.

Jeremy A. Patterson

11-16-2007, 11:00 AM

The Archie Comics version of the Shadow. If ever there was a case of creators not getting who a character was, that was it.

Actually, the first issue was loosely based on the pulp version. The lame superheroization did not occur til the second issue!

J.A.P.

pariah-1972

11-16-2007, 11:16 AM

Jeremy A. Patterson

11-16-2007, 11:57 AM

Anyone mention Snapper Carr yet? boy that guy was annoying..

i loved the detroit Jla when i was a kid and i still do :mad: i hate the way they were killed off and they made Aquaman an interesting but kinda jerky person.
Vibe was the coolest man !

Well, pariah-1972, Confessions of a Pop-Culture Addict has a different view of Vibe. He is #4 on their list of The 10 Lamest Superguys of All-Time, along with Cypher of The New Mutants, The Red Bee, Brother Power The Geek, Matter-Eater Lad, Dogwielder, Arm-Fall-Off Boy, The Legion of Super-Pets, Zan from Superfriends, & Aqualad!

Go to: www.popcultureaddict.com/comicbooks/lamestsuperheroes.htm

J.A.P.

Simon Garth

11-16-2007, 12:25 PM

Lessee...

The Atlas character Ironjaw...a Conan ripoff who was a thinly disguised rapist.

I always thought that was a damn silly concept - the distribution of Atlas comics was always so patchy that I never caught the first issues of anything, but did it ever explain how someone/thing had managed to surgically replace his jaw with iron, or for that matter, why?

Simon Garth

11-16-2007, 12:41 PM

Yeah...

1) Why was Steve Engelhart (writer of Millennium) ever considered anything other than a hack?

Rather belatedly to answer this: Captain America, Dr Strange, Coyote, for three. His Batman was also allegedly good, though I never (knowingly) read it.

scratchie

11-16-2007, 01:04 PM

did it ever explain how someone/thing had managed to surgically replace his jaw with iron, or for that matter, why?My goodness, no. His name is Ironjaw. What more do you need? Some nice Sekowsky pencils, though.

dupersuper

11-16-2007, 01:21 PM

Anyone mention Snapper Carr yet? boy that guy was annoying..

Never read Hourman, I take it?

pariah-1972

11-16-2007, 01:45 PM

Never read Hourman, I take it?No i guess not.. is that the vertigo one?

foxley

11-17-2007, 02:11 AM

No i guess not.. is that the vertigo one?

No, it was a series dealing with the 30th century android Hourman (who was briefly in the JSA). I believe he had Snapper Carr as a sidekick/guide to fitting in the present day.

Which reminds me, does Snapper still have the teleportation powers he gained when he was with the Blasters?

Jeremy A. Patterson

11-30-2007, 05:51 AM

No, it was a series dealing with the 30th century android Hourman (who was briefly in the JSA). I believe he had Snapper Carr as a sidekick/guide to fitting in the present day.

Which reminds me, does Snapper still have the teleportation powers he gained when he was with the Blasters?

Well, that Hourman series had a cult-following back in the day!

J.A.P.

FinbarReilly

12-03-2007, 04:56 PM

1) Yes, Scrappy must die!

2) Hey, I liked Cypher! Any kid that could be around that many naked of half-naked X-Babes deserves some respect. I just wished that they would have quit making feel so useless (a group with that many electronic geniuses and access to the tech they had access to couldn't cobble together a power suit?) and it would have been interesting to see them have actual fun with the character...

3) Snapper has apparently lost his teleportation powers when his thumbs were replaced.

4) Let me add Cobra Commander: He wasn't liked even by the people on his own shoe...

FR

pariah-1972

12-03-2007, 04:59 PM

foxley

12-03-2007, 10:41 PM

3) Snapper has apparently lost his teleportation powers when his thumbs were replaced.
FR

He had his thumbs replaced??? What the...? :confused:

FinbarReilly

12-05-2007, 02:59 PM

I don't remember there being any half naked babes in the new mutants when Cypher was on the team?
the only one i can think of is possibly Magma might have appeared naked when she was in her lava form.

Cypher had the uncanny knack of rescuing women in various states of undress (for example, Psylocke was naked when he rescued her). Talk about your cool mutant power....

Oh, and Snapper lost his thumbs thanks to some form of torture....

Last but least: Apparently someone from Robot Chicken reads this forum...They just had a piece on the death of Turbo Teen...

FR

Alan2099

12-05-2007, 03:18 PM

How about Obnoxio the Clown? :)
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/58263638044.1.GIF

What's scary is that clown actually has a video game appearance.

pariah-1972

12-05-2007, 03:19 PM

Does D-man count? i don't know jack about him and never read him but i've seen a lot of people make fun of him on here and i'm reading Perez run on Avengers and he seems to be written as a slightly annoying drunken hobo.
so i'm not sure if that is his true character of just a writer doing meta fiction..

pariah-1972

12-05-2007, 03:23 PM

Cypher had the uncanny knack of rescuing women in various states of undress (for example, Psylocke was naked when he rescued her). Talk about your cool mutant power....

Oh, and Snapper lost his thumbs thanks to some form of torture....

Last but least: Apparently someone from Robot Chicken reads this forum...They just had a piece on the death of Turbo Teen...

FRI remember that it was pretty hot i liked how Psylocke looked like a curvy full figured model back then.