Transformers The Movie (2007)

[The Zapper]

(I was into GI Joe).

I like you. You're cool.

[The Batman]

;5206788']Piss-poor character development is "pure nerd-rage?" It doesn't matter what kind of story you're telling; introducing an established character and then killing them off 20 seconds later is just plain bad exposition.

Maybe If Bay had spent less time on stupid "comic relief" segments and more time on the titular characters, all this wanton "nerd-rage" could have been avoided. :rolleyes:

I think it's "pure nerd rage" because most complaints can be boiled down to "Michael Bay didn't give me my vision of Transformers!"

As for Bonecrusher, he may be an established character is one or the other various Transformers continuities that are out there, but Bay doesn't have hours and hours of episodes and pages and pages of comics to tell us where Bonecrusher grew up, what his favourite colour is, and what he likes on his pizza. With the two plus hours Bay had to play with we could only really expect to see a soldier like Bonecrusher fight and die.

As for the funny bits, most people I talked to thought they went over really well. I know when I saw the movie most everyone in the theatre was cracking up.

[Norrin Radd]

^Nah, although I'm a big Transformers fan, the moment Bay was hired I suspected that he wasn't going to be making my ideal Transformers flick (which would be confirmed as time went on). But I put that aside and I went into the movie with an open mind, at least hoping to be entertained. I was...to a degree. But it was a flawed film no matter which way you look at it, with extraneous subplots and severely underdeveloped characters.

It's correct to say that the Transformers (especially the Decepticons) needed more character exploration to make the battles more compelling and the outcomes more satisfying. For example, the fight between Optimus vs. Megatron in the movie. It's like watching the final fight in Rocky without having seen most of the buildup to it, i.e. Balboa's personal struggles and his rivalry with Apollo. Sure, we're told about how Megatron is this badass, but we don't see it until the end when it's too damn late. The audience doesn't build up any hate towards him, like they should in a good villain.

In Transformers, most of this required exploration was wasted on the humans. It's like watching X-Men and you've already got so many mutant characters to keep tabs on. But then half the movie is wasted on a bunch of humans merely reacting to the X-Men, and you never really get to know the X-Men themselves except for a few. Luckily, that approach wasn't taken by Bryan Singer et al, but it was taken in Transformers, to the detriment of the film.

[The Zapper]

My biggest complaint is that all the Transformers look the same. It would have been nice if you didn't have to go by colors to see who's who. The action was top notch though.

[Toku King]

I thought that Megatron was perfect. He didn't need build up, because he made himself seem badass in such a short amount of time, and it worked.

[MegaRaptor Scribe]

My biggest complaint is that all the Transformers look the same. It would have been nice if you didn't have to go by colors to see who's who. The action was top notch though.

... did you LOOK at any of them?

[cactusmaac]

It'll be released in IMAX theatres with extra footage on the 21st of September.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=36445

[The Batman]

^^^

That's awesome news. Unfortunately I won't be anywhere near an IMAX theatre when this is released but this is a movie that I'd want to see on a HUGE screen.

Hopefully the extra footage will be included in the DVD release.

[The Batman]

My biggest complaint is that all the Transformers look the same. It would have been nice if you didn't have to go by colors to see who's who. The action was top notch though.

Really? I didn't have any problems telling any of the movie Transformers apart except for maybe robot mode Bonecrusher and Devastator and that's because we didn't see alot of either. I mean, even in G1 alot of the characters had that face/crested helmet look with only the colours and car parts attatched to their bodies to help us tell them apart.

[LordEd1976]

^^^

That's awesome news. Unfortunately I won't be anywhere near an IMAX theatre when this is released but this is a movie that I'd want to see on a HUGE screen.

Hopefully the extra footage will be included in the DVD release.

Hopefully the extra footage will involve the Transformers and not John Tututuro's annoying character, Sam's annoying parents, that blonde computer lady's annoying sidekick, Bernie Mac's annoying car salesman, or more fun with with the guy from Las Vegas and a cell phone.

[Black Atom]

Really? I didn't have any problems telling any of the movie Transformers apart except for maybe robot mode Bonecrusher and Devastator and that's because we didn't see alot of either. I mean, even in G1 alot of the characters had that face/crested helmet look with only the colours and car parts attatched to their bodies to help us tell them apart.

I had that problem too, actually. I couldn't really tell tank guy from helicopter guy or the two autobot SUVs apart.

[StoneGold]

I had that problem too, actually. I couldn't really tell tank guy from helicopter guy or the two autobot SUVs apart.

Ratchet was easy enough. But he's yellow.

[Black Atom]

Ratchet was easy enough. But he's yellow.

Well, I think the issue was lack of personality, as well. Jazz stuck out from the other later-introduced autobots because he had personality (albeit an annoying one). The other autobots and decepticons didn't make as much of an impression on me.

[Nate Grey]

It'll be released in IMAX theatres with extra footage on the 21st of September.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=36445

I hope the extra footage involves Arcee!

[jessecuster3]

Bay backs out of T2 because the first one is only being released on HD-DVD.


Link here. (http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2299)

[MaxofSteel]

Bay backs out of T2 because the first one is only being released on HD-DVD.


Link here. (http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2299)

T_T

I hope this isn't true. Was that really Bay? I've never been to that forum before.

[Ragnorok64]

Bay backs out of T2 because the first one is only being released on HD-DVD.


Link here. (http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2299)

This stuff is just getting crazier and crazier. I just wanna be able to buy an HDTV and watch Transformers on my PS3. Appearantly that was too much to ask.

[Toku King]

At least it works for DVD players, right?

[Toku King]

I don't think that statement is true. And this wasn't officially recognized anywhere but this forum because........why, exactly?
Until I get it from a reliable source, that statement is bullshit.
I don't even think that's Bay.

[jessecuster3]

I don't think that statement is true. And this wasn't officially recognized anywhere but this forum because........why, exactly?
Until I get it from a reliable source, that statement is bullshit.


Go look at the link dude, that's Bay's blog.

[founder81]

At least it works for DVD players, right?

If its HD DVD only, then you need a HD DVD player.

I doubt that they will not release the movie on the most popular format at the moment (regualr DVD) .

If they don't, I'll be more then happy to get a regular DVD bootleg copy.

EDIT
Never mind, I was just able to read the blog, this is just a Blue-ray vs HDDVD topic. No mention of no regular DVD's.

[The Batman]

Well, on the plus side, I'm sure that ALOT of people will be happy to find out that Bay might not be involved with the next Transformers movie.

[Toku King]

If its HD DVD only, then you need a HD DVD player.

I doubt that they will not release the movie on the most popular format at the moment (regualr DVD) .

If they don't, I'll be more then happy to get a regular DVD bootleg copy.

There is no fucking way that it would be HD only. Do you realize how poor their sales would be?

[Toku King]

Go look at the link dude, that's Bay's blog.

LINK. Anyone can link.

[The Batman]

If its HD DVD only, then you need a HD DVD player.

I doubt that they will not release the movie on the most popular format at the moment (regualr DVD) .

If they don't, I'll be more then happy to get a regular DVD bootleg copy.

Yeah I imagine this is in regards to which of the High-def formats the movie is going to come out on. I think it's still a sure thing that a new movie will come out on plain old DVD.

[Toku King]

Well, on the plus side, I'm sure that ALOT of people will be happy to find out that Bay might not be involved with the next Transformers movie.

This was actually the first movie of his that I loved. I want him to come back.
And if not............JAMES CAMERON!

[jessecuster3]

LINK. Anyone can link.

I linked you directly to Bay's post, what the hell are you talking about?

[Bulky Brent]

The Next one Definitely needs an autobot flyer

[Toku King]

I linked you directly to Bay's post, what the hell are you talking about?

I. DOUBT. THAT. THAT. IS. ACTUALLY. BAY. BECAUSE. ANYONE. CAN. CALL. THEMSELVES. MICHAEL. BAY. AND. THIS. HAS. NOT. BEEN. RELEASED. IN. ANYTHING. OTHER. THAN. A. F*CKING. FORUM. PLUS. THE. DOUBT. THAT. PARAMOUNT. IS. STUPID. ENOUGH. TO. DO. HD. ONLY.

Did you get it? Am I clear enough?

[Toku King]

"I like Blu Ray, so I'm not continuing a multi-million dollar franchise."
Sure.

[founder81]

I. DOUBT. THAT. THAT. IS. ACTUALLY. BAY. BECAUSE. ANYONE. CAN. CALL. THEMSELVES. MICHAEL. BAY. AND. THIS. HAS. NOT. BEEN. RELEASED. IN. ANYTHING. OTHER. THAN. A. F*CKING. FORUM. PLUS. THE. DOUBT. THAT. PARAMOUNT. IS. STUPID. ENOUGH. TO. DO. HD. ONLY.

Did you get it? Am I clear enough?

ALot of famous (or quasi-famous) people have blogs now days. If this is the official Michael Bay forum, then it is, most likely, either Michael Bay himself or a ghost that is paid by Micheal Bay to post in his stead. Either way the posts are coming from Bay's "mouth".

[jessecuster3]

I. DOUBT. THAT. THAT. IS. ACTUALLY. BAY. BECAUSE. ANYONE. CAN. CALL. THEMSELVES. MICHAEL. BAY. AND. THIS. HAS. NOT. BEEN. RELEASED. IN. ANYTHING. OTHER. THAN. A. F*CKING. FORUM. PLUS. THE. DOUBT. THAT. PARAMOUNT. IS. STUPID. ENOUGH. TO. DO. HD. ONLY.

Did you get it? Am I clear enough?

First of all:


LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Paramount Pictures and DreamWorks Animation SKG Inc. will offer next-generation DVDs in the HD DVD format and drop support for Blu-ray, further complicating the race between the competing technologies.

Monday's announcement affects the upcoming DVD releases of the blockbusters "Shrek the Third" and "Transformers," along with movies distributed by Paramount Pictures, DreamWorks Pictures, Paramount Vantage, Nickelodeon Movies and MTV Films.

Movies directed by Steven Spielberg, however, will continue to be released in both formats.

Paramount, which owns DreamWorks Pictures and handles home sales for the separate company DreamWorks Animation, previously released movies in both Blu-ray and HD DVD.

"Part of our vision is to aggressively extend our movies beyond the theater, and deliver the quality and features that appeal to our audience," said Brad Grey, chairman and CEO of Paramount Pictures, a unit of Viacom Inc.

"I believe HD DVD is not only the affordable high-quality choice for consumers, but also the smart choice for Paramount," he said.

The competition between Blu-ray and HD DVD has kept confused consumers from rushing to buy new DVD players until they can determine which format will dominate the market.

Or do you not believe AP?

Secondly:


Q: Does Michael Bay visit this site?
A: Yes, it's the Official site.

also:


Transformers Director Slams Paramount's HD DVD Call
Michael Bay vows not to make a Transformers sequel.
By Swanni

Washington, D.C. (August 21, 2007) -- Michael Bay, who directed this summer's smash hit Transformers for Paramount, is a bit miffed at the studio's decision to back HD DVD in the high-def DVD format war.

In fact, he's so upset that he's vowing not to direct a sequel to Transformers, which has made more than $300 million at the box office.

At his web site, Shoot For the Edit, Bay has posted a blistering attack on Paramount's action. The studio yesterday announced that it will only release films in the HD DVD format rather than both HD DVD and its rival, Blu-ray.

Under the header: "Paramount Pisses Me Off!," Bay wrote: "I want people to see my movies in the best formats possible. For them to deny people who have Blu-ray sucks! They were progressive by having two formats. No Transformers 2 for me!"

Bay, who also directed Pearl Harbor and The Rock, posted the message this morning. There has been no comment yet from Paramount.

Paramount yesterday joined Universal as major studios that will only release titles in the HD DVD disc format. Four major studios -- Sony, Fox, Disney and MGM -- are backing Blu-ray exclusively. Warner Bros. is now the sole major studio that will release movies in both formats.


But you go ahead and put that Tin Foil hat back on.

[StoneGold]

It's called delicious, delicious exclusivity agreement money, which apparently does not trickle down to the directorial level. Or whatever producer credit Bay has. If his contract doesn't call into account the exclusivity agreement, and is only based on whole DVD unit sales, this has a chance of severely impacting his hookers and blow budget.

[The Batman]

In the end it's all about the benjamins . . .

[Black Atom]

I guess if there was a movie to bank on to help drive the HD conversion, it'd be this one. Still, I can't expect them not to lose money by not releasing a DVD version (there's gotta be one down the line at some point, right?)

[Ragnorok64]

I guess if there was a movie to bank on to help drive the HD conversion, it'd be this one. Still, I can't expect them not to lose money by not releasing a DVD version (there's gotta be one down the line at some point, right?)

They are releasing a DVD version. Just no Blu Ray version.

[The Zapper]

I. DOUBT. THAT. THAT. IS. ACTUALLY. BAY. BECAUSE. ANYONE. CAN. CALL. THEMSELVES. MICHAEL. BAY. AND. THIS. HAS. NOT. BEEN. RELEASED. IN. ANYTHING. OTHER. THAN. A. F*CKING. FORUM. PLUS. THE. DOUBT. THAT. PARAMOUNT. IS. STUPID. ENOUGH. TO. DO. HD. ONLY.

Did you get it? Am I clear enough?

It might be time to switch to decaf.

[Nate Grey]

Is there any chance he's making a joke? He loves to stick it to fanboys, and didn't he get bombarded with similar ultimatums ("No size shifting = not seeing it!") in addition to the death threats over the course of making this movie? Maybe he's being pre-emptive this time for the sequel.

I just don't see it as being serious, but as something he would do to make a point.

[Toku King]

It might be time to switch to decaf.

Hm.... Well, if I actualy, ya know, DRANK coffee.........

[The Zapper]

Hm.... Well, if I actualy, ya know, DRANK coffee.........

My bad then.

[Ragnorok64]

Hm.... Well, if I actualy, ya know, DRANK coffee.........

Well then that just means you don't have an excuse :p

[maczero]

Is there any chance he's making a joke? He loves to stick it to fanboys, and didn't he get bombarded with similar ultimatums ("No size shifting = not seeing it!") in addition to the death threats over the course of making this movie? Maybe he's being pre-emptive this time for the sequel.

I just don't see it as being serious, but as something he would do to make a point.There were death threats?

[Nate Grey]

There were death threats?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/2007/07/23/michael_bay_transformers_2007_interview.shtml

http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_12289.html

Oh heck just take the whole Google string:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Michael+Bay%2C+Transformers%2C+%22death+threats% 22

[The Zapper]

I took one look at the first link and saw in big letters "I took the death threats like a man. It was all over the internet, things like: "Death to Michael Bay! You've wrecked my childhood!" Wow Michael, I can sleep easy now that I know you took things said on the internet like a man:rolleyes:

[Toku King]

Well then that just means you don't have an excuse :p

What about sugar?

[Ragnorok64]

What about sugar?

For a second I thought you were calling me "sugar." :eek:

[Toku King]

For a second I thought you were calling me "sugar." :eek:

Nah. That's Gay Al's job, because he feels thuper.

[Captain Trips]

In the end it's all about the benjamins . . .

Absolutely. And since, right now, Blu-ray is the leading format for HD media, it makes me wonder how much money Paramount is being paid to go exclusively with HD DVD (and I know they aren't the only studio who is exclusive to HD DVD).

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6176792.html?tag=result;title;0:
Though the next-gen video format war is not yet over, it is becoming increasingly clear which way the tide of battle is turning. Today, analysts at Home Media Research (via Reuters) reported that Sony's Blu-ray Disc format is now outselling Microsoft-backed HD-DVD at a ratio of nearly 2-to-1. Between January 1 and July 1, a total of 795,000 HD-DVDs were sold, versus 1.6 million BDs. As of the end of July, 2.2 million BDs and 1.5 million HD-DVDs have sold since they both hit the market last year.

Home Media Research cited sales of the popular film 300 to illustrate the differences between the two formats. After being released on home video on July 31, the film has sold 190,000 units on Blu-ray and 97,000 units on HD-DVD. The article also referenced the fact that Blockbuster is supporting Blu-ray exclusively as a factor behind the format's increasing sales momentum.

[The Batman]

Well maybe this is part of an effort by Paramount, an effort larger than just Transformers, to push HD-DVD by releasing big titles exclusively on that format? I mean, the thinking might be that if more and more movies can only been seen in HD on HD-DVD then perhaps HD-DVD will become more attractive to consumers.

[StoneGold]

Well maybe this is part of an effort by Paramount, an effort larger than just Transformers, to push HD-DVD by releasing big titles exclusively on that format? I mean, the thinking might be that if more and more movies can only been seen in HD on HD-DVD then perhaps HD-DVD will become more attractive to consumers.

Sort of. It's an effort by HD-DVD to do that by signing Paramount to exclusivity.

[GRANT!]

That was fast. (http://www.seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=11454)


Michael Bay HD-DVD post
08/21/2007 07:51 PM

Last night at dinner I was having dinner with three Blu-Ray owners, they were pissed about no Transformers Blu-Ray and I drank the kool aid hook line and sinker. So at 1:30 in the morning I posted - nothing good ever comes out of early am posts mind you - I over reacted. I heard where Paramount is coming from and the future of HD and players that will be close to the $200 mark which is the magic number. I like what I heard.

As a director, I'm all about people seeing films in the best quality possible, and I saw and heard firsthand people upset about a corporate decision.

So today I saw 300 on HD-DVD, it rocks!

So I think I might be back on to do Transformers 2!

Michael Bay

Such is the emotional rollercoaster that is Michael Bay.

[TitoJones]

Megatron had, what, 7 lines? My dad could've been a good Megatron.

But he had the best line in the movie:

Prime: "It's just me and you Megatron"

Megatron: "No Prime, it's just me."

[nervmeister]

Any dude who has chain smoked since age 5 would make a good Megatron.

[Captain Trips]

Sort of. It's an effort by HD-DVD to do that by signing Paramount to exclusivity.

Exactly. And you won't be seeing Spider-man 3 on HD DVD, so it's all about who can get the biggest titles released exclusively for their format to help persuade consumers as to which one to choose.

[The Batman]

If you go here (http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6233) it looks like Bay's HD-DVD cheque cleared.

[Captain Trips]

Some more interesting tidbits about Steven Spielberg's preference of HD formats as well as money that Microsoft is giving to Paramount to be HD DVD exclusive:

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents
First, in the aftermath of yesterday's DreamWorks news, our old friend Pete Bracke over at High-Def Digest contacted longtime Spielberg spokesman and DreamWorks marketing exec Marvin Levy, who had this to say:

"It was important to Steven that if any of his films were to be released [first] on high-definition, that it would be a classic," said Levy. "Steven is big supporter of Blu-ray, and chose 'Close Encounters' to be the first of his films on either format."

Levy further confirmed that none of Spielberg's films are included in the deal Paramount and DreamWorks made with Microsoft. This means that Spielberg is reserving the right to release his films on either high-def format, at his choosing. The fact remains, however, that the only release he has thus far authorized is CE3K, a Sony Blu-ray exclusive. Click on the link (above) for the complete story.

Columnist Nikki Finke over at the L.A. Weekly has also posted a new piece today following up on Steven Spielberg and Michael Bay's position in all this. This is just getting more and more interesting. One begins to wonder if Paramount and DreamWorks have unwittingly grabbed a tiger by the tail...

You know, we're always hearing "Let the consumer decide!" when it comes to this format war. So once again, we'd like to suggest that all you consumers out there weigh in with your opinions, whatever they may be. Make your thoughts on Paramount and DreamWorks' decision yesterday known to them. Tell the studios that you think this format war is ridiculous. While you're at it, some of you might want to express to Warner your desire for them to stay format neutral in the face of pressure (and money) from Microsoft, which we hear is definitely being applied today at the studio. You can find contact information for all these studios on our Links page. Remember, though, that whether you call or send postcards and letters (the latter is always much more effective than e-mail), we would STRONGLY suggest that you be polite and professional at all times. Let the consumer decide indeed.

[xnef1025]

I suspect that much like VHS vs. Betamax, the winner will be decided by porn.

[Nate Grey]

I suspect that much like VHS vs. Betamax, the winner will be decided by porn.

Oh well in that case Paramount's siding with the (eventual) winner.

[The Xenos]

A friend of mine said new technology to replace both formats is already being developed. He wrote a paper on it for a class.


I suspect that much like VHS vs. Betamax, the winner will be decided by porn.

Ha! Good point. Though really, do people really care about porn in HD or will they just be fine with their hardcore sex scenes on regular DVDs?

[Astonishing X-Fan]

So basically, Bay was like:

"My Blu-Ray fanboy friends told me that I should be outraged! I will never make Transformers 2!"

Then later he was like:

"I watched a movie on HDDVD and it seemed cool! I'll totally make Transformers 2!"

[Adrian Tullberg]

So basically, Bay was like:

"My Blu-Ray fanboy friends told me that I should be outraged! I will never make Transformers 2!"

Then later he was like:

"I watched a movie on HDDVD and it seemed cool! I'll totally make Transformers 2!"

With comments like that, you wonder why there's rumours about ADHD ...

[maczero]

With comments like that, you wonder why there's rumours about ADHD ...LOL! I said the same thing. Honestly, I felt like I was reading a post from a 12 year old.

[Nate Grey]

With comments like that, you wonder why there's rumours about ADHD ...


LOL! I said the same thing. Honestly, I felt like I was reading a post from a 12 year old.

These are the same thoughts I'm positive he had when he read all the comments about Transformers pre and post release. No one really thinks this is connected? That he was serious? That he wasn't trying to prove a point? If so then his point was lost. I took it to mean he's going to fight back with the naysayers and fanboys, f*** with them if you will. So far its working, and pre production hasn't even begun on TF2.

[cactusmaac]

Score's available on October the 9th.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000VFGQHK?ie=UTF8&tag=transformers-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B000VFGQHK

[maczero]

So who's checking it out again at an IMAX theater?

[The Batman]

I wish. Though they haven't added any new robot footage, or any completely new scenes even the scope of the IMAX picture is supposed to create an entirely different viewing experience. From what I've heard you can finally appreciate the ridiculous levels of detail ILM put in to the robots.

[maczero]

I wish. Though they haven't added any new robot footage, or any completely new scenes even the scope of the IMAX picture is supposed to create an entirely different viewing experience. From what I've heard you can finally appreciate the ridiculous levels of detail ILM put in to the robots.No new robot footage? Screw that. IMAX screens give me a headache so there's no way I'm enduring that torture for 2 and a half hours (that's a shot at IMAX theaters not the Transformers movie) if there's no additional robot action.

[MegaRaptor Scribe]

There being new robot footage isn't really realistic, considering all that went into them.

[The Batman]

There's always the possibility that they might've included something that wasn't done by the time Bay had to cut the film for the July 4th release date but otherwise new robot footage was highly unlikely.

That still probably hasn't stopped people from wanting/expecting it.

[GRANT!]

There being new robot footage isn't really realistic, considering all that went into them.

We'll have to wait for Transformers 2... which probably won't be out for a while.

[Jared]

Hopefully seeing the IMAX this Wed.

[GRANT!]

Apparently Paramount (http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=6337) thinks they can get the sequel out by June 29, 2009 even though there hasn't been any development on the project.

[The Zapper]

Apparently Paramount (http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=6337) thinks they can get the sequel out by June 29, 2009 even though there hasn't been any development on the project.

That doesn't bode well. A hurried movie is rarely a good movie.

[GRANT!]

That doesn't bode well. A hurried movie is rarely a good movie.

I don't know. Some movies come together well quickly. Spider-man 2 came together fast. X2 as well. Batman Begins had a quick production. The Harry Potter movies are put together quickly. The last Transformers movie was pretty much put together in two years.

We could cite X-Men 3 or the Fantastic Four movies as examples of a quick production not working but as a general rule I it think depends on who's involved and the budget.

[The Zapper]

I don't know. Some movies come together well quickly. Spider-man 2 came together fast. X2 as well. Batman Begins had a quick production. The Harry Potter movies are put together quickly. The last Transformers movie was pretty much put together in two years.

We could cite X-Men 3 or the Fantastic Four movies as examples of a quick production not working but as a general rule I it think depends on who's involved and the budget.

Fair enough. I do think that things are better off not rushed though.

[GRANT!]

Fair enough. I do think that things are better off not rushed though.

I don't know. There are plenty of bad or flawed movies that weren't rushed either. The Star Wars prequels were definately not rushed. Spider-man 3 had a longer schedule then Spider-man 1 & 2.

Either way two years is a long time. Though the possible strike does monkey with schedules. Also that date could easily be moved in a few months.