you know what odd about the writers getting away for Dark DCU

[IamtheRock3]

the Darkness is pretty darn recent..been a pass 5 years or so where it wasnt as light

But got REAL dark in the past 2 years.


So they created all these thing just to anger fans..so we be happy when they go back to the very lightness that they took us away from

[Jason H]

the Darkness is pretty darn recent..been a pass 5 years or so where it wasnt as light

But got REAL dark in the past 2 years.


So they created all these thing just to anger fans..so we be happy when they go back to the very lightness that they took us away from

Bingo!

As I said in the IC#2 thread, the recent darkness has been a plot device all along. Although the recent "Dark" DC didn't anger/bother me at all.

[Guts/Batman]

Plot devices... :(

That doesn't make up for some of the badness of some of the stories.

[Jason H]

Been that way since the dawn of comics. Not all comics will be great. Your looking in the wrong place if you want perfection.

[Guts/Batman]

Been that way since the dawn of comics. Not all comics will be great. Your looking in the wrong place if you want perfection.

That's true and all but to explain it all away with a plot device and expect everyone to say "Oh, that's why." and being ok with it is expecting too much.

[Jason H]

I'll admit the recent "Darkness" has been Ham-Fisted, but subtlety isn't a Comic Book writing strong suit. This isn't Shakespeare.

[IamtheRock3]

That's true and all but to explain it all away with a plot device and expect everyone to say "Oh, that's why." and being ok with it is expecting too much.


Well it may not be bad if they TRULY were planning it

think they were..sense it seem all the dark stuff just happen in one BIG PUNCH.

it really picked up steam after Idenity crisis

Heck just looked at the writer who wrote those stories..and look who organziing this one.

[IamtheRock3]

although am piss

that they giving us Lightness again and acting like THERE DOING US A FAVOR

when they made it dark in the first Place



"I am taking the BatDick away" "Batman broken"

"Danget you help INCREASE bat dick..dickiness. He broken cause you help break him"

[Buried Alien]

I think the darkness actually began mounting in the 1980s...*before* CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS even...and slowly intensified through the late 1980s and throughout the 1990s (with lighter moments in between). Over the past two years, this intensification has reached a crescendo, and INFINITE CRISIS seems to be the shattering point.





Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Guts/Batman]

I think the darkness actually began mounting in the 1980s...*before* CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS even...and slowly intensified through the late 1980s and throughout the 1990s (with lighter moments in between). Over the past two years, this intensification has reached a crescendo, and INFINITE CRISIS seems to be the shattering point.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

Agreed.

We had Parallax appearing in the mid-ninties right? Batman being broken and Superman dying at relatively same time.

But with certain characters it was darker than others like Batman...

[IamtheRock3]

You can find dark moments in old DC too

Earth 2 Batman had Catwoman die on his after there marriage, huntres died to I think, Think Batman died twice. One against a metahuman villan, WW was a bondage freak who lost her powers.

Wasnt the Superman becoming blockbuster post crisis, love ones died on people

It really only reach a HIGH level of darkness in a pass 3 years.

[Guts/Batman]

Wasnt the Superman becoming blockbuster post crisis, love ones died on people

It really only reach a HIGH level of darkness in a pass 3 years.

Batman has been dark for quite awhile.

It can only be considered a character like Superman gets dragged into it as well. Batman is not a very good measuring stick when it comes to measure darkness.

Yes, Superman became Blockbuster after he executed the 3 kryptonian criminals after the criminals had killed the population of another Earth.

It has been at a high level the last three years that true but don't use Batman to measure it. Use Superman.

[The Shadow]

I'll admit the recent "Darkness" has been Ham-Fisted, but subtlety isn't a Comic Book writing strong suit. This isn't Shakespeare.
Shakespeare wasn't too subtle all the time either!!

[Patience]

Shakespeare wasn't too subtle all the time either!!


Too true. Shakespeare was junk entertainment for the masses back when he was actually writing. The plays were like television. Popular Fiction, using tried and true (*ahem* Stolen) plotlines. Writing performances for his company based on popular demands so that he could fill the seats and make money to feed his family. He did melodrama, cheap laughs, buckets and buckets and buckets of blood.
Just look at his two best-known plays:
Romeo and Juliet started off lighthearted like Giffen's JLI, and once one of the majorly upbeat personalities (Mercutio = Sue?) died, the whole play was plunged into a Darkness that ended with the main characters dying rather uselessly (That stupid Friar!).
In Hamlet he went all out, and killed almost the entire cast in an awesome swordplay scene, after offing the hapless lighthearted buddy pair of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern (Booster and Beetle?).

Anyone who's seen Shakespeare done right (with extra blood!), and can get past the fancy language (which was mostly puns in pentameter), can tell that this is actually close to the true spirit Shakespeare.

Hey, i we could get a rhythm and rhyme scheme going in that dialogue, then we'd have modern Shakespeare right here in front of us!

Pass the popcorn, for the Ides of November are upon us and it's time for Society-Lex's death scene!
"Et tu, Brainiac? -- Then Fall, Luthor!"

"I come to bury Luthor, not to praise him.
The evil that men do lives after them.
So let it be with Luthor -- His fondest
Wish in life was to visit pain upon
His Enemy from another planet,
And this we shall do in his memory.
Death to the Kryptonian Deciever!
Both of him!"

Hmm... Y'know, it's not so hard to script in iambic pentameter if you don't care about quality.

[Babylon23]

Actually, I think the DCU grew darker beginning with the post-Crisis revamps, and has been growing darker since then. Some examples:

Superman: Krypton was depicted in Man of Steel as a cold and emotionless place, much different to the pre-Crisis Krypton. Lex Luthor became an untouchable businessman rather than a scientist who was constantly thrown in jail.

Batman: For year 1 onwards, Batman has been a much darker character. The brutal murder of Robin occurred 15 years ago.

Hawkman: Hawkworld created a much darker and more violent origin for Katar Hol and Shayera.

Green Lantern: Emerald Dawn established that Hal Jordan was an alcoholic.

Wonder Woman: Wonder Woman's post-Crisis origin, while similar, was certainly darker, including scenes of rape and imprisonment.

[Calybos]

Yeah, there seem to be some short memories here. Superman-2 was looking at the DC universe ever since the original Crisis (1985).

And the 1990s were pretty much solid darkness in all directions. Blood, betrayal, and despair were par for the course in damn near every title. Batman's back was broken, Superman died at Doomsday's hands, Hal Jordan went nuts and killed thousands, Zero Hour crapped all over the JSA, the 30th century turned its back on the Legion, Dr. Fate became a joke and then a thug, Donna Troy became the galactic punching bag for every bad Wonder Woman-story notion that didn't make the cut, and so on. And that's just off the top of my head. The only non-darkness in reaction was a thoroughly silly Justice League.