Is there any logical way to get Dark Beast to join an X-team?

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Without mind control, of course...is there any way to get him on an X-team without him losing his wit and arrogance?

[Beast]

He served Xavier and Mags pretty willing in Excalibur. And now without millions of mutants to conceal his work, he needs a safe place from Sinister's watchful eye. I think he definatly would consider going to the only group that would be able to help keep him from falling into Sinister's hands. Not to mention I think he was honest when he says he prefers working for someone else, and seems to enjoy being appreciated. That said I doubt that Havok, Beast, or some of the others would be so willing to just forgive and forget. He'd be better off hooking up with X-Factor, or preferrably New Excalibur. After all, NE is written by CC and isn't located near the X-Mansion. :)

[Cayman]

No, he's beyond redemption.

Cay

[Erik Lehnsherr]

He served Xavier and Magneto pretty willing in Excalibur. And now without millions of mutants to conceal his work, he needs a safe place from Sinister's watchful eye. I think he definatly would consider going to the only group that would be able to help keep him from falling into Sinister's hands. Not to mention I think he was honest when he says he prefers working for someone else, and seems to enjoy being appreciated. That said I doubt that Havok, Beast, or some of the others would be so willing to just forgive and forget. He'd be better off hooking up with X-Factor, or preferrably New Excalibur. After all, NE is written by CC and isn't located near the X-Mansion. :)

That's a good idea. It would be intersting to see him start up new connections with Marko and Captain Britian. But I wouldn't mind seeing him have access to Monet and giving both characters more progression. Then, they could finally have a Sinister/Dark Beast meeting since Essex is scheduled back for something big next year.

[Beast]

No, he's beyond redemption.

Cay
People say that about Emma and Juggy also. Doc McCoy showed he's quite willing to happily work with Xavier and Magneto. So I could see him trying the straight and narrow. I do however think that he's a creature of habit, and would fall back into his old ways sooner or later.

[Christopher O]

Couldn't we just kill him instead? I much prefer the "real" McCoy.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Couldn't we just kill him instead? I much prefer the "real" McCoy.

Out of question. Dark Beast is one of the most underrated villians in Marvel. Until he gets a nice, drawn out story...we need as MUCH Dark Beast as possible.

[Nick Kal]

He should join X-Factor!

[Christopher O]

Out of question. Dark Beast is one of the most underrated villians in Marvel. Until he gets a nice, drawn out story...we need as MUCH Dark Beast as possible.
And by underrated you mean pointless and second-rate, right? Because that's how I feel about him. ;)

[Cayman]

He might work with them, but he's still an evil murderous Mengele stand-in.

Cay

[cosmoboy]

No, he's beyond redemption.

Cay
Absolutely. If they ever put him on a team, I would lose all faith in marvel.

[handOFfate]

I think he could be a great villain. I mean, he's an evil version of the X-Men's smartest member. But I can't see him on an X-team, at least not honestly. I would like to see him take on X-Factor, though.

[The Fury]

Lie.

Tell him that he would get his own lab for his research, no questions ask about what he is doing and unlimited funds.

Then once he's there, slap a restraining collar on him and make him go into missions with the teams.

[Factor-X]

I've not seen Dark Beast in a long time, Did he turn into a big cat like Beast?

[Beast]

I've not seen Dark Beast in a long time, Did he turn into a big cat like Beast?
Dark Beast was one of the recent cast members of Excalibur (Vol. 3). After being captured and jailed by Charles Xavier, he was granted parole in return for his services to help rebuild the island. No, he has retained his normal appearance, but his fur is back to being fully gray now. Here's some pictures.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/DarkBeast.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/DarkBeast2.jpg

[Jake V]

Out of question. Dark Beast is one of the most underrated villians in Marvel. Until he gets a nice, drawn out story...we need as MUCH Dark Beast as possible.
If he's such a great villain, why do you want him joining the good guys?

[Beast]

If he's such a great villain, why do you want him joining the good guys?
He was probably enjoying CC's development of the character in Excalibur (Vol. 3), so wanted to at least see that attempted reform continue for a while. :)

[Jake V]

He was probably enjoying CC's development of the character in Excalibur (Vol. 3), so wanted to at least see that attempted reform continue for a while. :)
Why refer to him as a villain then?

[Factor-X]

Dark Beast was one of the recent cast members of Excalibur (Vol. 3). After being captured and jailed by Charles Xavier, he was granted parole in return for his services to help rebuild the island. No, he has retained his normal appearance, but his fur is back to being fully gray now. Here's some pictures.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/DarkBeast.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/DarkBeast2.jpg

Wow he looks cool, I would like to see him be a regular enemy to the X-Men maybe to be part of a group.

Can't really think of a way to make him a good guy, Other than mind control.

[Hi-Fi]

Beast will kill me for this, but i don't like him at all. I think he's boring and not that funny. Although he was somehow enjoyable in the last Excalibur series.

So, God no! Let's not bring him to any x-team. We already have our beloved Beast.

[Hi-Fi]

And by underrated you mean pointless and second-rate, right? Because that's how I feel about him. ;)

It's like one mind!

You're completely right, my friend. ;)

[Beast]

Beast will kill me for this, but i don't like him at all. I think he's boring and not that funny. Although he was somehow enjoyable in the last Excalibur series.

So, God no! Let's not bring him to any x-team. We already have our beloved Beast.
Boring and not funny!? :(
And I agree, he was the best he's ever been in Excalibur (Vol. 3).

And yeah, we love our beloved Beast. We just wish he didn't look like Puss in Boots. ;) :D

[Hi-Fi]

Boring and not funny!?
And I agree, he was the best he's ever been in Excalibur (Vol. 3).

And yeah, we love our beloved Beast. We just wish he didn't look like Puss in Boots.

:o hum...i said not THAT funny. He's a little funny, i guess. :o :)

[Bishop_Proudstar]

Without mind control, of course...is there any way to get him on an X-team without him losing his wit and arrogance?



1) Sinister wanted to kill whoever was behind the cultivation of The Morlocks because they were using his methods. He never shared them with anyone unlike his AoA counterpart. (Before "X-Men: The End Alternate Future")

2) Beast attempts to find some scientific solution to "Decimation", and accidently "cures" himself human.. As a human, he would probably remain as Xavier's chief scientist, so something must force him to leave. I'd say the cure of his blue form takes away the memory of his studies, and destroys his lab at Xavier's. Maybe, he marries Trish, and moves out.

3) DB knows how to follow Beast's pattern and study. Maybe, The X-Men need him to "heal" Xavier to fight The Shadow King (which is one of the things that what he was meant to do).

4) DB knows that Essex has been searching for him all over the globe. The best place to hide is to pretend to be "The Real McCoy" at Xavier Mansion. He gets a haircut to look more like the "Ape-form" Beast.

Maybe Havok, Cyclops, and Emma allow DB to join Havok's squad in order to give them information of what Essex has done.

Next, Sinister finally figures out that The Dark Beast was the thief of his technology (Gambit). Thus, Essex wants to send The New Marauders to Xavier's to extract him. He hesitates because Sentinels are in the way. Essex attempts to "call-in another favor" from Gambit...

[jam37wcc]

Without mind control, of course...is there any way to get him on an X-team without him losing his wit and arrogance?

He was already part of an X-Team, he replaced Beast around the Onslaught time.

Plus he could be a great villain, I just hope when he shows up again he isn't some lackey and if he is a team he should be the leader.

[Nightcrawler]

I don't think so. Why would any of the X-Men be willing to let him on a team?

[jam37wcc]

I don't think so. Why would any of the X-Men be willing to let him on a team?

Well they did just recently agree to let Mystique join the team.

[streator]

i don't think so either.
i never really cared for him to be honest. i hope he disappears again.

[Blackcat]

I like Dark Beast a lot, but only as villain, there are 2 many 'reformed' bad guys allready. Let him stay DARK Beast

[Titan Slade]

I would much prefer the Dark Beast being on the X-Men team over the horrendous looking Cat-Beast. Cat-Beast is single worse butchering of a character in the history of the X-Men period :evilangry .

[fishtaco]

Without mind control, of course...is there any way to get him on an X-team without him losing his wit and arrogance?Dark Beast impersonated Beast and acted as an X-Man for a short time, starting with X-Men Unlimited (1st Series) 10.

But besides that, hey, Magneto, Rogue, Marrow, Emma Frost, and Juggernaut all became X-Men. I'm sure there can be plenty of logical reasons.

[Christopher O]

It's like one mind!

You're completely right, my friend. ;)
Well, I know that. I'm just glad you know it too. :p

[Siddon]

Dark Beast rises to power threatening to end all of Sinister’s manipulations using multiverse villians. Sinister joins up with the X-men to stop Dark Beast as they battle Sinister unleashes a new mutant with the powers to manipulate the multiverse. In a cruel dare I say sinister twist this solution to stop the Dark Beast causes both Beasts to inhabit 1 body also manages Beast to change his power by will however the more feral/intelligence version the more powerful the Dark Beast.

Hi-jinxes ensue as both Beasts have to work together until Dark Beast slowely sees the error of his ways and they are finally returned to their host body.

Which turns out to be a lie and Dark Beast is still a Dark Meanie hahahahahahahahaha

(10 years later he will return in a skull cap and be decapitated by Logan only to return as a nice Beast)

So no mind control just Mindish control

[Erik Lehnsherr]

And by underrated you mean pointless and second-rate, right? Because that's how I feel about him. ;)

Dark Beast is 20x more interesting than the likes of Cassandra Nova, Vargas, and Sublime. This was just a simple inquiry. Of course he works better in a villian's capacity. I wouldn't mind seeing him interact with Sinister just to see how would flip out.

[jarrod]

Bring him into the Hellfire Club instead. The group could really use a strong male lead that isn't Sebastian Shaw... and sorry but no, Roberto-led-by-Sage isn't that.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I don't think so. Why would any of the X-Men be willing to let him on a team?

Yeah right...why has the X-Men let Sabretooth, Wolverine, Gambit, Rogue, or Quicksilver join their ranks? Wolverine is a part time murderer, Sabretooth almost killed Betsy, Rogue almost destroyed Carol Danvers, and Gambit is the biggest coward in X-history. Why allow those tainted mutants to join up if they're so high and mighty?

Fishtaco, I read that story 9 years ago. X-Men Unlimited #10 is one of the greatest X-books I've read in the 90s.

And Bishop...those are great possibilities. Of course he would have to have an angle to stay with the team but that would be interesting to read. More interesting than a book where Wolverine remembers "everything" yet does nothing for the next 5 years. Again.

[Asian Knight]

Out of question. Dark Beast is one of the most underrated villians in Marvel. Until he gets a nice, drawn out story...we need as MUCH Dark Beast as possible.

Then why don't we actually make his create a new Generation X? I mean Emma tried that and failed. Maybe he could succeed. After all, the X-Men started out with the original Hank. Maybe if he worked and tried to create a new Gen X. Then Jubilee, Husk & the other original members including Mondo might return.

I mean Emma for the wealth and leadership. Banshee for the combat expertise. Dark Beast er McCoy for his scientist expertise. Maybe this could of been the light that we wanted to see.

[Alan2099]

Yeah right...why has the X-Men let Sabretooth, Wolverine, Gambit, Rogue, or Quicksilver join their ranks? Wolverine is a part time murderer, Sabretooth almost killed Betsy, Rogue almost destroyed Carol Danvers, and Gambit is the biggest coward in X-history. Why allow those tainted mutants to join up if they're so high and mighty?
When did Sabretooth join?

As for the rest, Dark Beast is a complete sadist. I don't think he could work for any team for long without turning on them somehow. Now you might be able to stick him on a team for a while, but he wouldn't stay.

He's a killer and he enjoys it. He also enjoys outsmarting people, so any real attempt to reform him should be met with him treating it like it's a game and pulling the right strings.

I just wish they could give him back his old look and team him up with Holcoaust on a regular basis.

[Tag06]

I'd love to see Dark Beast in his own title. ^_^

[Erik Lehnsherr]

When did Sabretooth join?

As for the rest, Dark Beast is a complete sadist. I don't think he could work for any team for long without turning on them somehow. Now you might be able to stick him on a team for a while, but he wouldn't stay.

He's a killer and he enjoys it. He also enjoys outsmarting people, so any real attempt to reform him should be met with him treating it like it's a game and pulling the right strings.

I just wish they could give him back his old look and team him up with Holcoaust on a regular basis.

It terms to Sabretooth..Xavier tried to reform him and he later joined X-Factor. And OF COURSE Dark Beast would turn on them but they always give lesser mutants than McCoy chances..why not one with his expertise?

[xakko]

I was wondering what would happen if there were some empathic biofeedback. Perhaps if his sense of smell suddenly became very attuned to human pheromones, so that pain, fear, misery- all that negative stuff- started to cause him pain. That might give him incentive to try to work with the X-men, long enough to cure himself.

Then again, he'd probably just add masochism to his sadism and savor it.

[Optimus]

Couldn't we just kill him instead? I much prefer the "real" McCoy.

Exactly what I was thinking. His character is pointless. Kill him.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Exactly what I was thinking. His character is pointless. Kill him.

Kill hiim? For what? Wolverine being an Avenger and an X-Man is pointless. Considering your logic, let's run that program then.

[Mittierim]

The should have him and beast merge together so that the real Hank can get rid of that stupid cat body.

And i am all about having wolverine killed for being an avenger. :evilsmile
Team mis-rostering is plenty of cause for instant burning death in my book.

[Turd_Ferguson]

Dark Beast impersonated Beast and acted as an X-Man for a short time, starting with X-Men Unlimited (1st Series) 10.

But besides that, hey, Magneto, Rogue, Marrow, Emma Frost, and Juggernaut all became X-Men. I'm sure there can be plenty of logical reasons.

That was my initial reaction. He already was on the X-Men.

[Unkillable Cat]

Holocaust happens to be very very dead (see Exiles), so no team-ups for McCoy.

While the premise for the character sounds really corny (he's like Beast, only EVUL! Propably has a goatee too.) he has been written really well in the few instances he has been used. I faintly remember a Wizard interview with one of the many X-men writers in the very late 90's, where they were talking about using the Dark Beast as the main villain in a storyarc.

The writing team got replaced before anything could become of it, though.

I'll second what has been said: He's already been on the X-Men, so there's no real reason to put him back there.

[Christopher O]

Kill hiim? For what? Wolverine being an Avenger and an X-Man is pointless. Considering your logic, let's run that program then.
You obviously aren't considering his logic. He commented on the character of Dark Beast, and you brought in Wolverine's appearing in multiple titles as a counter-point, and it doesn't work.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

You obviously aren't considering his logic. He commented on the character of Dark Beast, and you brought in Wolverine's appearing in multiple titles as a counter-point, and it doesn't work.

I brought in Wolverine because he's overused yet Dark Beast, who's only been in Excalibur, is suggest to be killed off? For what? Dark Beast>Wolverine in 2005.

[Christopher O]

Dark Beast>Wolverine in 2005.
Which is why creators are jumping at the chance to write him. Oh, that's right: they're not.

[Beast]

Which is why creators are jumping at the chance to write him. Oh, that's right: they're not.
Claremont was having a lot of fun using him, until Bendis and HoM pulled Excalibur out from under him.
Over-exposure of a character like Wolverine is hardly evidence of a quality character. :p

[Christopher O]

Over-exposure of a character like Wolverine is hardly evidence of a quality character. :p
I don't disagree with that, but in the instance of a character with the staying power that Wolverine has shown to have, I'm going to say that there is an essence to the character that is quality and resonating, just like with Spider-Man, Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. You can debate how well these characters have been used, but the fact that they've maintained notoriety as long as they have suggests something at the core that is transcendent. Dark Beast isn't one of those. He's an evil doppleganger, and that's about it.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I don't disagree with that, but in the instance of a character with the staying power that Wolverine has shown to have, I'm going to say that there is an essence to the character that is quality and resonating, just like with Spider-Man, Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. You can debate how well these characters have been used, but the fact that they've maintained notoriety as long as they have suggests something at the core that is transcendent. Dark Beast isn't one of those. He's an evil doppleganger, and that's about it.

Wolverine was an overpushed hero from the outset. Dark Beast was a villian who wasn't supposed to be this good but he is. The more stories, the better.

[Fabian]

I don't get it.

You want to turn an evil version of a good character good? Why not just use Beast?

[mgs]

People say that about Emma and Juggy also. Doc McCoy showed he's quite willing to happily work with Xavier and Magneto. So I could see him trying the straight and narrow. I do however think that he's a creature of habit, and would fall back into his old ways sooner or later.
So, he's like Frodo? Even though he could try and do good, living normally, his natural soul is so tainted that he could never really be trusted.

[Beast]

I don't get it.

You want to turn an evil version of a good character good? Why not just use Beast?
Because with Beast, you don't have the interesting story aspects of a villain trying to reform himself in a world where he's hated by all sides. And because there would always be the question of when his true nature would win out, even against his intentions to reform. :)

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I don't get it.

You want to turn an evil version of a good character good? Why not just use Beast?

Not really. I just wanted to see a cadre of opinions on if there was any way to logically get him to join the X-Men without him being watered down. Of course he works best as he truly is...an ingenius manipulative villian. I just wanted to test the grounds. Nothing more.

[Faded]

Not really. I just wanted to see a cadre of opinions on if there was any way to logically get him to join the X-Men without him being watered down. Of course he works best as he truly is...an ingenius manipulative villian. I just wanted to test the grounds. Nothing more.

I like your premise for the thread. Its a question I often ask myself when I like a villain I don't get to see enough of.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I like your premise for the thread. Its a question I often ask myself when I like a villain I don't get to see enough of.

Yeah..this question works with a Dark Beast since he can be overwhelmed and always have the backstory of potentially betraying the X-Men. It wouldn't work for Sinister though. He's too manipulative and out for his own means to ever be trusted on such a level.