What happened to JeffreyWKramer? [Archive] - Comic Book Resources Forums

Spackling Compound

11-10-2005, 02:47 PM

What's left of him has BANNED under his name.
He's not listed in the member's listing anywhere.

I followed his posts and can't figure what he did but I'm a little 'noid now. If he can get the axe...anyone can!

Please let me know if this is one of those things we're not supposed to discuss.
My apologies.

sixstringguild

11-10-2005, 02:48 PM

Oh snap! Not JWK! Who am I going to argue w/ now?

HomerJay

11-10-2005, 02:51 PM

Hmmm, interesting. I'm ashamed to say that I honestly hadn't noticed until now.
His disappearance seemed to coincide with the removal of the "sex tricks" thread. Maybe the mods thought he got a bit too sexually graphic one too many times.

anthony!

11-10-2005, 03:02 PM

Very strange that he just disappeared.

Didn't he have like over 10,000 posts to his name? Seems like a CBR record.

Michael P

11-10-2005, 03:10 PM

He got a one-week ban last Friday. I don't know why.

OzBat!

11-10-2005, 03:17 PM

He got a one-week ban last Friday. I don't know why.He does however, so we'll leave it at that. It's a temporary ban only.

Iangould

11-10-2005, 03:53 PM

I'm not questioning the decision but I'm glad the ban is only temporary.

stealthwise

11-10-2005, 04:53 PM

Strange. I noticed at one point that Converge had the "BANNED" tag under his name, yet was still posting. I had just assumed that JWK had done the same for some reason.

boolean

11-10-2005, 05:54 PM

Personally, I have a problem with CBR's policy of banning users (even if only temporarily) and then deleting the posts that got them banned.

By deleting the offending posts, it makes it harder for an observer to figure out what is considered inappropriate behavior.

I'd like to know why JWK (for example) was banned, so I can avoid doing the same.

Edit the posts, to remove the really offensive content, and include comments from a mod stating the post is inappropriate, but don't just sweep it under the rug and pretend it didn't happen.

Cam63

11-10-2005, 07:13 PM

I agree.
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PatrickG

11-10-2005, 08:36 PM

Strange. I noticed at one point that Converge had the "BANNED" tag under his name, yet was still posting. I had just assumed that JWK had done the same for some reason.

It's possible to put "BANNED" under your own name but I think you'll get in trouble if they catch you.

Tom

11-10-2005, 08:57 PM

By deleting the offending posts, it makes it harder for an observer to figure out what is considered inappropriate behavior.

It's clearly (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=1459763&postcount=3) laid out for you.

YoGo

11-11-2005, 07:00 AM

We know the rules Tom, but maybe like have a thread for stating that so and so user was banned, here is the reason why without needing to go into re-posting whole threads, obscenities or inappropriate posts.

It lets us know if someone who we chat with regularly gets banned and we aren't left wondering why. Anyway it's just a suggestion, hope it helps!

boolean

11-11-2005, 07:02 AM

Similarly, different Moderators will have various degrees of what they’re prepared to put up with in regard to what is posted on their boards as well as what actions they take to keep their boards running smoothly.

So, each board has it's own definition of what exactly is and isn't appropriate.

And the only way to find out exactly where that line is, is by crossing it.

Tom

11-11-2005, 07:08 AM

So, each board has it's own definition of what exactly is and isn't appropriate.

And the only way to find out exactly where that line is, is by crossing it.
No, most boards have their own sets of rules posted at the top of the board.

Tom

11-11-2005, 07:09 AM

Spackling Compound

11-11-2005, 07:25 AM

So, each board has it's own definition of what exactly is and isn't appropriate.

And the only way to find out exactly where that line is, is by crossing it.
The "line" seems to shift, however.
It got to be tough for a mod to discern where that line is and when it has been crossed.
I got a two day ban for posting a "joke" thread with the tag line "BUSH GAY CRISIS HOUSE OF M" and the words, "Made ya look" inside. Two days banned the email said, "Wasting the mods time".
A week ago, the same sort of joke thread appeared and nothing happened.

I'm still wondering where the line was and what is "wasting the mods time".
Gail has a thread now up "Niceness". Open it and it says, "Some things are nice". Well, thats cool. She's the mod here. But what's the diff in that and mine? How is mine a "WASTE" of the mods time and this not?

Regardless, I've seen pure unadulterated anger and bile spewed out here along with sick references to sex and religion in all forms with no ban at all.

Maybe if there was a note:
Jeffrey W Kramer 11/03/2005 said :"BLAH BLAH". Offense :"Hate speach" or whatever. BANNED for 1 week. I think that may answer some questions. Like being a ref...

The Mirrorball Man

11-11-2005, 07:32 AM

It is the policy here not to do such things. It treats bannings like gossip and the bannee can't respond in a conversation about themselves.
It's been my observation that silence and mystery spawn gossip. Complete and immediate information doesn't.

Corrina

11-11-2005, 07:37 AM

and nothing happened.

I'm still wondering where the line was and what is "wasting the mods time".
Gail has a thread now up "Niceness". Open it and it says, "Some things are nice". Well, thats cool. She's the mod here. But what's the diff in that and mine? How is mine a "WASTE" of the mods time and this not?

Different boards.

Gail's made it very clear to everyone here that her rules are different from the rules on the other forums. For instance, she doesn't ban--even mwm1331 was banned because of actions on other forums.

The comm board 'line' seems less clear to me but I spend much less time here than there. The rules are clear but, as always, rules are enforced by people who don't always agree on the limits of them. It's really unavoidable, given human nature. That said, I see a very consistent application of those rules on the Comm board. It's only with a very few situations that are basically a judgment call that they 'seem to' change. I say 'seem to' because I have this feeling that the mods are privy to information that the posters may not see on the board.

Tom

11-11-2005, 07:41 AM

It's been my observation that silence and mystery spawn gossip. Complete and immediate information doesn't.
If people want to gossip about such things, that's none of my concern. There's no practical reason to make announcements regarding bannings and in fact, such things tend to cause more problems than they may solve. What it comes down to is, you're curious about something that's really none of your business. Jeffrey knows exactly why he got his ban.

Spackling Compound

11-11-2005, 07:43 AM

Jeffrey knows exactly why he got his ban.
Cool enough.
I'll drop my curiousity in this for now then.

The Mirrorball Man

11-11-2005, 07:44 AM

What it comes down to is, you're curious about something that's really none of your business.
Yeah I get that a lot. It's my job. ;)

Lester C.

11-11-2005, 08:01 AM

Different boards have different unspoken rules about what you can and can’t engage in and as posters it is our responsibility to be cognizant of what we can or can‘t say as these things are never spelled out for us. Let’s look at Ron Marz and Gail Simone two of my all time favorite authors. On Ron’s forum it’s generally accepted that you only talk about comics and issues directly linked to Ron even though Ron is an incredible nice man who takes time to answer every individual post. For instance I don’t see us discussing Man Faye or the secret war between pirates and ninjas on Ron’s forum. Gail’s forum on the other hand is a social forum where you can talk about anything and say it any damn way you please as long as you are civil about it as their are several people here who regularly use profanity with the knowledge that no one going to call them on it as long as they play nice.

Spackling Compound

11-12-2005, 01:18 PM

I see he's back.
Welcome back, Kramer.

I missed my blood pressure being elevated.

JeffreyWKramer

11-12-2005, 01:22 PM

I see he's back.
Welcome back, Kramer.

I missed my blood pressure being elevated.
Thank you! Hopefully my comment about the current Pope's asinine recent comments will help get the BP back up.

As to why I was banned, yeah, I know the reasons. I consider them to be 100% bogus, but such is life.

Spackling Compound

11-12-2005, 01:27 PM

Thank you! Hopefully my comment about the current Pope's asinine recent comments will help get the BP back up.

As to why I was banned, yeah, I know the reasons. I consider them to be 100% bogus, but such is life.
Yeah...that did the trick.

Hope your new threads don't get you another 7days!

Lunar Daydreamer

11-12-2005, 01:38 PM

He always seems like a nice chap to me, very intelligent and a credit to the boards. Colour me mystified. :confused:

Cam63

11-12-2005, 04:07 PM

Welcome back, Jeff.

Ian Boothby

11-12-2005, 04:12 PM

If people want to gossip about such things, that's none of my concern. There's no practical reason to make announcements regarding bannings and in fact, such things tend to cause more problems than they may solve. What it comes down to is, you're curious about something that's really none of your business. Jeffrey knows exactly why he got his ban.

A member of the community being banned does seem to be the business of the community since (I'm assuming) the reason someone is banned is to protect the community. Saying this person commited an offense to you and your group but we can't tell you what it is because it's none of your business? Now can Jeffery publicly state why he was banned or is that not allowed?

Lester C.

11-12-2005, 04:20 PM

A member of the community being banned does seem to be the business of the community since (I'm assuming) the reason someone is banned is to protect the community. Saying this person commited an offense to you and your group but we can't tell you what it is because it's none of your business? Now can Jeffery publicly state why he was banned or is that not allowed?

I think it’d be best to let sleeping dogs lay. Jeff is back now which means no good will come of dragging this issue out further. If you have to know I think it’d be best to PM him.

PatrickG

11-12-2005, 04:21 PM

A member of the community being banned does seem to be the business of the community since (I'm assuming) the reason someone is banned is to protect the community. Saying this person commited an offense to you and your group but we can't tell you what it is because it's none of your business? Now can Jeffery publicly state why he was banned or is that not allowed?

What he said.

The standard for banning seems to be like the old US standard for obscenity. "I can't tell you what it is but I know it when I see it."

As a member of this community, I'd like to have it better defined than that 'lest we turn into the Byrne Forum where moderators pull pranks on posters and ban them for being disagreeable.

JeffreyWKramer

11-12-2005, 04:23 PM

A Now can Jeffery publicly state why he was banned or is that not allowed?

I've stated all I intend or care to state about the matter on a thread on the Comm board. I see no reason to continue discussing it beyond what I've stated there.

Expletive Deleted

11-12-2005, 04:30 PM

The standard for banning seems to be like the old US standard for obscenity. "I can't tell you what it is but I know it when I see it."

As a member of this community, I'd like to have it better defined than that 'lest we turn into the Byrne Forum where moderators pull pranks on posters and ban them for being disagreeable.Here you go (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=1459763&postcount=3).

Plus whatever rules each moderator may or may not set for his or her own board. For the MU forum, I use these (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=84851).

JeffreyWKramer

11-12-2005, 06:35 PM

And again, thanks to y'all who gave me a "welcome back." It is appreciated.

Tom

11-12-2005, 06:36 PM

A member of the community being banned does seem to be the business of the community since (I'm assuming) the reason someone is banned is to protect the community. Saying this person commited an offense to you and your group but we can't tell you what it is because it's none of your business? Now can Jeffery publicly state why he was banned or is that not allowed?
Actually, part of the reason for not discussing bannings with the community is out of respect to the poster who was banned. Jeffrey is free to discuss it if he wishes and in fact has done so.

Cam63

11-12-2005, 06:37 PM

Cool.

Fire away, Jeff !

Corrina

11-12-2005, 06:41 PM

Welcome back, Mr. Pervert, sir.

I may blush in your honor.

JeffreyWKramer

11-12-2005, 06:45 PM

Welcome back, Mr. Pervert, sir.

I may blush in your honor.

Ooooh, you! Mmmm mmm! That is worth coming back for right there.

Cam63

11-12-2005, 06:46 PM

Oh, you two !

JeffreyWKramer

11-12-2005, 06:46 PM

Cool.

Fire away, Jeff !

Nah, as I already said, I've said everything I have to say about the matter in that thread on Comm. If someone really wants to hear more, they can PM me, but there isn't much more to say.

Cam63

11-12-2005, 06:47 PM

OK. No worries.

JeffreyWKramer

11-12-2005, 06:55 PM

OK. No worries.

So back to blushing gals!!

Cam63

11-12-2005, 07:04 PM

Isn't that just west of New York ?

Cam63

11-12-2005, 07:05 PM

Blushing Gals, that is. :)

Deathstroke

11-12-2005, 08:17 PM

Ooooh, you! Mmmm mmm! That is worth coming back for right there.

Great now, anytime someone calls him a pervert he can say:

"They Call Me MISTER Pervert..."

boolean

11-12-2005, 08:22 PM

Shouldn't that be Doctor Pervert? :D

Cam63

11-12-2005, 08:28 PM

Just plain " Doc " ?

JeffreyWKramer

11-12-2005, 08:33 PM

Technically not a doc - I don't have my PhD, or MD or any doctorate degree. So, Mr. Perv will do fine.

Corrina

11-12-2005, 08:41 PM

Great now, anytime someone calls him a pervert he can say:

"They Call Me MISTER Pervert..."

I somehow flashed to a bondage scenario, then realized I was channeling the wrong Poitier movie. The handcuffs and chains would be "The Defiant Ones."

Cam63

11-12-2005, 08:51 PM

Technically not a doc - I don't have my PhD, or MD or any doctorate degree. So, Mr. Perv will do fine.

What about Dr. F-e-e-e-e-l good ?

Harry Angel

11-12-2005, 09:01 PM

I am sorry to stick my nose into this conversation since I don't actually know Jeffrey Kramer or any of the mods involved or anything about what happened to get him banned. But I really am trying to figure something out that I suspect must be obvious but that I'm just not catching on to here.

What is this Tom persons position here at CBR?

He has the red moderator coloring on his name, and from the way he to talks down to everyone on the threads he posts on, I have to suspect that he is one of the owners of some such. Because I don't see him listed as being a moderator or administrator.

So what is his job around here?

I'd ask him myself, but frankly he creeps me out.

Cam63

11-12-2005, 09:07 PM

He is Tom

That's all you need know.

Harry Angel

11-12-2005, 09:08 PM

He is Tom

That's all you need know.

Great.

That's so very comforting.

Cam63

11-12-2005, 09:13 PM

*Sniggers like Muggsly*

I was joking again.

Seriously, Tom is a moderator and a human and thus has frailities like the rest of us poor bastards.

bert

11-12-2005, 09:16 PM

*Sniggers like Muggsly*

I was joking again.

Seriously, Tom is a moderator and a human and thus has frailities like the rest of us poor bastards.

he IS a Mod, or he WAS a Mod?

last I heard he was retired. . .

Harry,

Tom moderated the Community board for a very, very long time.

that board is such a tough one, he has really earned the respect and awe of everyone here at CBR.

as far as I know, he's just a regular CBR member now. . but like a veteran (or an ex President), he kinda keeps the title in honorarium.

(bows to T'omm)

Harry Angel

11-12-2005, 09:17 PM

*Sniggers like Muggsly*

I was joking again.

Seriously, Tom is a moderator and a human and thus has frailities like the rest of us poor bastards.

Okay.

I figured he was some kind of floating moderator or something like that. And I'm sure he's a heck of a guy, and maybe I'm just reading his posts in a negative way that isn't intended.

My bad.

bert

11-12-2005, 09:19 PM

Okay.

I figured he was some kind of floating moderator or something like that. And I'm sure he's a heck of a guy, and maybe I'm just reading his posts in a negative way that isn't intended.

My bad.

LOL. .

well, in my opinion, he *can* be pretty snarky and unreasonable sometimes -- but so can we all (it just depends on what day you catch us on).

still, in my opinion, Tom is a hell of a guy, and pretty even tempered.

but he does have his moments. . :)

Harry Angel

11-12-2005, 09:20 PM

he IS a Mod, or he WAS a Mod?

last I heard he was retired. . .

Harry,

Tom moderated the Community board for a very, very long time.

that board is such a tough one, he has really earned the respect and awe of everyone here at CBR.

as far as I know, he's just a regular CBR member now. . but like a veteran (or an ex President), he kinda keeps the title in honorarium.

(bows to T'omm)

That actually, mostly answered what I was trying to figure out.

Thanks Bert.

Cam63

11-12-2005, 09:20 PM

No worries.

boolean

11-12-2005, 09:20 PM

Technically not a doc - I don't have my PhD, or MD or any doctorate degree. So, Mr. Perv will do fine.

Sorry. :o

Unless somebody comes up with an honorary doctorate of perviliciousness or something. :D

Tom

11-12-2005, 09:36 PM

bert

11-12-2005, 09:55 PM

Shhh. It's okay. No need to be scared.

I'm one of 5 or 6 supermods. We're not exactly "above" the regular mods in the hierarchy. We have sort of overall duties.

oh. . that's cool Tom

I thought you had retired all moderator-ship.

Like She-Ra, you still have the Power!

Phoney Bone

11-12-2005, 10:02 PM

Who's this Jeffy Crammer guy everybody's talking about?

bert

11-12-2005, 10:14 PM

Who's this Jeffy Crammer guy everybody's talking about?

Jelly Crammer ?

sounds kinky

. . .and sticky

.

Lester C.

11-12-2005, 10:40 PM

Jelly Crammer ?

sounds kinky

. . .and sticky

.

If I could paraphrase Cam you are a good man Bert but I wouldn’t shake your hand.

Harry Angel

11-12-2005, 11:11 PM

Shhh. It's okay. No need to be scared.

I'm one of 5 or 6 supermods. We're not exactly "above" the regular mods in the hierarchy. We have sort of overall duties.

I'm just all aquiver over here.

Thank you for the verification of your status.