The Depowered: Iceman

[Flight]

There's been alot of talk on the board about who got to keep their powers, who didn't, who we wanted etc and since then, its been confirmed (by Bendis) that one of the oldest X-Men - Bobby Drake, Iceman - has definitely lost his powers for good.
Only time can tell if he's the only X-Man to lose his powers but how do you feel about this?
What is your opinion on one of the original 5 losing his powers?
Where do you think his character can go now? Will he be written out of the books?
Is it coincedence that Claremont's least used X-Man was the only one to lose his powers?

[Blackcat]

If I had to choose between 'the 5' it would have been Archangel or Iceman. So, I'm oké with it.

[TinMan]

I think its pretty crappy, I like Iceman (even though he's been written kinda bad between Austen and Milligan) and it sucks that they depowered him. He's also one of the founding X-Men, it just seems like pissing on history by depowering him. I don't like the change at all.

[Davideaux]

I've never been much of fan of Icemans. I think him being depowered could lead to interesting insights on the character. He's always been shown as a guy not living up to his gift. It will be interesting to see him without his gift to see how he will adjust. His will be the story of wasted and lost opportunities.

[Black Hole]

I think it sucks, too.

However...no writer ever seemed capable of delivering on the promise of Iceman, so I'm actually kind of glad that he's been removed from the game for a while.

Hopefully by the time this is all over and mutants get their powers back, then he will be written by a writer who has a clue.

[Joe Rice]

I love Iceman, but I don't mind that he lost his powers. The powers don't make the personality. Now, when he's written lame, I don't like him.

I still think it would have been REALLY interesting for Scott to lose his powers.

[Gaz]

I love Iceman, but I don't mind that he lost his powers. The powers don't make the personality. Now, when he's written lame, I don't like him.

I still think it would have been REALLY interesting for Scott to lose his powers.
Not an option, as Whedon has plans for Scott and Hank. Bendis couldn't even change Beast back to apeman Beast.

[Joe Rice]

Not an option, as Whedon has plans for Scott and Hank. Bendis couldn't even change Beast back to apeman Beast.

Uh, OK, it still would have been interesting. Hey, maybe it's happened and he just hasn't taken his specs off yet.

[Gaz]

Uh, OK, it still would have been interesting. Hey, maybe it's happened and he just hasn't taken his specs off yet.
That'd be embarassing, "Take this, Sinister!" *nothing* "Aw crap..."

[Joe Rice]

That'd be embarassing, "Take this, Sinister!" *nothing* "Aw crap..."

And an internal "Oh, man, if I survive this, AWESOME! I can see actual colors again! Whoa, that's blue!"

[streator]

iceman is one of my favorite characters. i think it sucks. however, if writers do something decent with the change, then it'll be okay.

[jeangreydp]

And an internal "Oh, man, if I survive this, AWESOME! I can see actual colors again! Whoa, that's blue!"

Yeah it would be great if he could take the beer goggles off and get a load of the eyesore he's been sleeping with lately. :eek:

That would lead up to a pretty good "Cyclops: Suicide" story. I'd like to read that.

Meanwhile, Bobby! I am sad he lost his powers. I worry that he will be written out and that sucks. He hasn't gotten a fair shake in a loooong time. And he is a really great character.

And Flight, you may be onto something with Claremont not liking him so much. I wonder if he had anything to do with this!!! SCANDAL!

[Gaveedra 6]

I like Iceman alot, but of all the current X-Men, Bobby really needed a "re-set" quite badly, having been stuck in solid ice form for a long time (with no hints at any possible development or solution to this predicament.) He's one of the Fab Five. He'll be back sooner or later, and when he returns, it'll be in good form.
(he won't have to wear transparent underpans anymore)

[Titan76]

As much as I love Iceman I am kinda of glad he lost his powers. The writers in the last 4-5 years have wrote him really shiting. I don't see Iceman losing his powers forever, and when he gets them back hopefuly he will have a writer who actually knows what to do with him.

[jeangreydp]

The writers in the last 4-5 years have wrote him really shiting.


LOL! That's a panel I'd like to see! :p

[Joe Rice]

Yeah it would be great if he could take the beer goggles off and get a load of the eyesore he's been sleeping with lately. :eek:

That would lead up to a pretty good "Cyclops: Suicide" story. I'd like to read that.



Oh, he's back with Jean already?

OHHHHHHH!

[Crimson]

I love Iceman but I'm willing to see where this goes... I'll give it a chance.

[The Lucky One]

And an internal "Oh, man, if I survive this, AWESOME! I can see actual colors again! Whoa, that's blue!"

I know I'm nitpicking, and yes, I know Joe is the absolute last person in the world who would care, but Scott can see colors. He just sees them in darker tones, like wearing sunglasses.

-D

[Michael P]

I'd love to see Iceman, along with other mutants who had powers they liked, accosting Reed Richards or somebody and demanding he build them a suit or something that can simulate their old powers.

[jeangreydp]

Oh, he's back with Jean already?

OHHHHHHH!

OH SNAP.........your neck

;)

[Joe Rice]

I know I'm nitpicking, and yes, I know Joe is the absolute last person in the world who would care, but Scott can see colors. He just sees them in darker tones, like wearing sunglasses.

-D

I'd assume that they're kind of red-hued, though. Like, his blue or yellow or whatever is different from what we experience, and what he remembers from childhood.

[Joe Rice]

I'd love to see Iceman, along with other mutants who had powers they liked, accosting Reed Richards or somebody and demanding he build them a suit or something that can simulate their old powers.

Or, just saying, "Whew, glad that's over."

[Shade]

I think it rules because now he can go back to being an accountant.

[Titan Slade]

I was happy to see Bobby not being the Austenized permanent Iceman(it sucked), and now when he gets his powers back(we all know he will), he can ice and deice himself at will just like the good old days :D . Heres to the X-Men getting back to their classic roots and powers again.

[The Fury]

I like Iceman, probably my fav after Psylocke.

So, I am annoyed that he is no longer powered.

but this isn't my main concern on the matter. My main concern is that he seems to be taking it very well. And the other X-men seems to be ignoring it...

I mean this is ICEMAN, not some nobody student. One of the original X-men, probably one of the first known mutants. I feel they don't get it. (This is by Cyclops reaction in HoM#8, it was poor).

[o1pickleboy]

I like Iceman alot, but of all the current X-Men, Bobby really needed a "re-set" quite badly, having been stuck in solid ice form for a long time (with no hints at any possible development or solution to this predicament.) He's one of the Fab Five. He'll be back sooner or later, and when he returns, it'll be in good form.
(he won't have to wear transparent underpans anymore)

This is how I feel. Him losing his powers could be a great story if handled right. They could show that Bobby is a hero reguardless of his powers. At least he has a major angel in the current storyline.

I'm worried a little that he may end up in limbo, but he is too popular to lose his powers for good.

[mattbib]

I'd assume that they're kind of red-hued, though. Like, his blue or yellow or whatever is different from what we experience, and what he remembers from childhood.Joe's right, the red tint of the ruby quartz would prevent Cyclops from seeing true colors. I think Drew meant that he can distinguish different colors.

As for Iceman, I've always been a fan and the loss of his mutation won't change that. It's not like anything's really been done with him in the past ten years anyway.

[Black Hole]

but this isn't my main concern on the matter. My main concern is that he seems to be taking it very well. And the other X-men seems to be ignoring it...
I agree. The only explanation I could think of was that maybe he was so happy to be back in human form that the loss of his powers was eclipsed by joy. Now he could get it on with Polaris (well she'll probably dump him soon, but oh well)

I hope to see see more of him where the euphoria wears off and he's forced to realize that he's no longer anyone special...of course we probably won't get that...

[J_Knight]

Iceman is my favorite X-men. For me, it all depends on what the plan for him is. If he is just sent to limbo with no powers, then it really sucks. However, I believe that even with no powers (hopefully temporarily), some good stories can be told with Bobby in the X-universe. Of all the X-men, he seems to me like the best suited to handle life without powers. I would also be interested in seeing how his parents would react if even without powers, he decides to stick around the Mansion and help out somehow. I think he never stopped wishing deep down that he could have a "normal" life, and now that he has no powers, it'll be interesting to see how he handles that. So, I'll give it a try hoping this is character development (which was badly needed after Austen). However, if because of this, he permanently dissapears from X-men comics, I will never forgive Marvel.

[iceman rocks]

they can still write him in books just powerloss i think bobby's powers were reali cool. he was really slick and stylish and he still has it without the icecube shell, i'm a huge fan of bobby but he's so much better as a character when human in my opinion and finally a character who we can see skin i'm sick of them all having all body suits so now aleast we have a character out of costume. i would love to see the x-men in normal cloths using their abilities. as for iceman he still has the coolness

[fishtaco]

I'm disgusted by it.

[Brian M.]

I understand it. Do I like it...no. I understand why Bendis did it though. He was right when he said the core of the X-Men needed to be affected by this. To get to the core you have to hit the Originals I believe. Jean's dead so you can't touch her. Cyclops would have been the biggest one but you can't really hit the headman I think and still make the X-Men work. Beast and Iceman and Angel would be the logical 3 left. By depowering Iceman or Beast you have a chance later on to "reset" their mutations. I think Angel would have been kinda cool, could have a done a story with him like Wing where he's sucidial. I don't think Beast would have been as devasted as Angel so it'd be kinda boring to depower him, Bendis was right when he said he just wanted to kick him down a mutation. Story wise Iceman or Angel are probably the best choices. Angel's not being used so Iceman was it. I hate it b/c I loved the character but I understand it.

[Gaveedra 6]

they can still write him in books just powerloss i think bobby's powers were reali cool. he was really slick and stylish and he still has it without the icecube shell, i'm a huge fan of bobby but he's so much better as a character when human in my opinion and finally a character who we can see skin i'm sick of them all having all body suits so now aleast we have a character out of costume. i would love to see the x-men in normal cloths using their abilities. as for iceman he still has the coolness
Yeah, he's still cool, even if he's not powered up. I hope he sticks around the mansion. If Emma tries to kick him out, Scott better put the biotch in her place.

[Black Hole]

I understand it. Do I like it...no. I understand why Bendis did it though. He was right when he said the core of the X-Men needed to be affected by this. To get to the core you have to hit the Originals I believe. Jean's dead so you can't touch her. Cyclops would have been the biggest one but you can't really hit the headman I think and still make the X-Men work. Beast and Iceman and Angel would be the logical 3 left. By depowering Iceman or Beast you have a chance later on to "reset" their mutations. I think Angel would have been kinda cool, could have a done a story with him like Wing where he's sucidial. I don't think Beast would have been as devasted as Angel so it'd be kinda boring to depower him, Bendis was right when he said he just wanted to kick him down a mutation. Story wise Iceman or Angel are probably the best choices. Angel's not being used so Iceman was it. I hate it b/c I loved the character but I understand it.

Agreed. Besides, years ago in X-Factor we already saw Angel's reaction to being "de-powered"...so it would be kind of redundant and boring to see him going through the drama again.

I hope the depowering of Iceman makes for a stronger character and when he does get his powers back.

[jeangreydp]

Yeah, he's still cool, even if he's not powered up. I hope he sticks around the mansion. If Emma tries to kick him out, Scott better put the biotch in her place.

Wouldn't that be nice. But he'll probably just cower before her as usual and tell Bobby its time to move out.

[Shadow Crawler]

I've always liked Bobby and losing his powers isn't going to change that I like him. Yes, it's crappy, but I can deal with it. But just like others have said, nothing great has been done with him in a while.

[Twigglet]

Bobby is a good character.

However he is only a character and I don't really mind, hopefully this gives another cool character a chance to take his place, and then when that character goes, another character can come, we need more charaters coming and going.

I laugh that the same people who were saying that HOM would "Not affect anything" and all this will be retconned, are complaining about Icemans power loss.

[AceOfSpades]

I miss the old bobby..... the not all craptastic Austen one "created".. So yes, I'm glad he's been depowered, but i want it to be temporary and I want him to be like he used to be (like pre Uncanny issue)

[Asian Knight]

For me, a fan of the X-Men comics. I wished that he wasn't one of them to lose their powers.

After all, at his full potential. He does seem to be immortal at times. As he can be destroyed and eventually pull himself back together again. Bobby also was my favorite X-Men prankster.

[jadegiant77]

Marvel sucks...Iceman has been one of my favs since Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends. We share the same sign, for cripes sake(Pisces)!!! I so love that some retard mammoth man got to keep his powers and Bobby lost his. :rolleyes: I hope Beast gives him some kinda high tech coldsuit that simulates his powers or at least a cold gun. :)

[StoneGold]

I understand it. Do I like it...no. I understand why Bendis did it though. He was right when he said the core of the X-Men needed to be affected by this. To get to the core you have to hit the Originals I believe. Jean's dead so you can't touch her. Cyclops would have been the biggest one but you can't really hit the headman I think and still make the X-Men work. Beast and Iceman and Angel would be the logical 3 left. By depowering Iceman or Beast you have a chance later on to "reset" their mutations. I think Angel would have been kinda cool, could have a done a story with him like Wing where he's sucidial. I don't think Beast would have been as devasted as Angel so it'd be kinda boring to depower him, Bendis was right when he said he just wanted to kick him down a mutation. Story wise Iceman or Angel are probably the best choices. Angel's not being used so Iceman was it. I hate it b/c I loved the character but I understand it.
Everything you and Black Hole said is dead on.

But beyond that, of all the main mutants, Bobby is the one with the most options for what he can do in post-mutant life. He was never pictured as being all that comfortable with being a mutant hero, so he could segue easily into normal life. At the same time, he could easily borrow one of Blizzard's old suits.

Hell, if anything, I say give him a spot on the CSA.

[Nick Kal]

Maybe he still has powers but doesn't know it?

[xakko]

I don't buy that they are gone forever. It may have to see Joey Q leave office, but I can deal with that. Just hire me. :D

I hope that he stays in the books and develops his character again. He was probably due for a power down- he was WAY to powerful at maximum potential. So let's wait and see.

[fishtaco]

What a perfect opportunity for a Iceman centered story, entitled "Lifedeath" ;) ;) ;)

[StoneGold]

I don't buy that they are gone forever. It may have to see Joey Q leave office, but I can deal with that. Just hire me. :D

I hope that he stays in the books and develops his character again. He was probably due for a power down- he was WAY to powerful at maximum potential. So let's wait and see.
Even JoeQ said that all these power changes might not be permanent. Just for a couple of years, long enough for it to make a difference if someone gets their powers back.

And really, at this point, what's the difference if Iceman has powers or doesn't? If he had powers, really, no one would be caring too much about Bobby one way or the other. Now, he's actually got a couple of storylines in him.

[Will.S]

I mean this is ICEMAN, not some nobody student. One of the original X-men, probably one of the first known mutants. I feel they don't get it. (This is by Cyclops reaction in HoM#8, it was poor).
Yeah Bendis mentioned this in that interview.

He's definitely right in that a mutant is always another person's favorite. I think that de-powering him makes Wanda's "No more mutants" power seem more hard hitting because he has become a very active member of the team and something of a fan favorite.

I love Iceman myself and I thought it sucked that he lost his powers but at the same time I've become a bit tired of the stuck in ice form and I'm happy that the character can get past that barrier so that he can move on. I think we can see some interesting stories with him even if he's not a mutant anymore.

[Two and 1/2 Hours Man]

That pisses me off. But it doesn't matter. He'll get them back some how.

[Flameworthy]

Well I'm glad that the lame secondary mutation that did nothing whasoever except keeping him as a popsicle is gone.

I'm mad that his powers are entirely gone, but like many others have said, I'm sure he'll have them back in no time. I'm hoping this leads to good character development (which I'm not even sure was the last time he had some).

[streator]

As for Iceman, I've always been a fan and the loss of his mutation won't change that. It's not like anything's really been done with him in the past ten years anyway.

i think things have been done. 10 years ago was what, 1995.
lobdell further explored bobby's relations with his father.
iceman lead cc reyes and marrow for a while.
bobby saw what happened in x-men: forever and re-joined the team.
casey did little with him, but austen definitely progressed drake.
his icon series had 0 reprocussions. opal hasn't been seen since.
i thought him turning into ice was a decent idea; it made him deal with his past and made him consider what he was doing in the future. it was a good way of him exploring what he could do, which didn't happen much in retrospect.
now he's got nothing.

i still would say that more was done with him in the last 10 years than the 5-10 years beforehand.
as an iceman fan, i found the last 10 years more enjoyable than the 5-10 before. while he might not have been a central character throughout, what was done with him was mostly important and advancing.

[The Fury]

Well I'm glad that the lame secondary mutation that did nothing whasoever except keeping him as a popsicle is gone.

I'm going to argue this again.

It's not a 2nd Mutation. It's just him and his weak mind. We all know Iceman is capable of more, yet he never does it, this is the same thing that was keeping him in his ice only form.

Although, none of that matters anymore.

[The Fury]

Yeah Bendis mentioned this in that interview.

He's definitely right in that a mutant is always another person's favorite. I think that de-powering him makes Wanda's "No more mutants" power seem more hard hitting because he has become a very active member of the team and something of a fan favorite.

He is a fav of mine and I think the de-powering works.

It's just, they seemed not to shocked at the fact.

There's Emma and Kitty concerned for all the students. And Iceman get's a "oh no, not you too". Like he's just another student. And this from Cyclops. Another original X-man.

[Tre Styles]

I voted not bothering me either way. And the reason I voted that way was because, regardless of what's happening now, I think in a few years(or maybe even in a few months), we'll see Bobby back to his icy self. I just doubt most of these changes are going to be permanent.Watch and see......

[Flameworthy]

It's not a 2nd Mutation. It's just him and his weak mind. We all know Iceman is capable of more, yet he never does it, this is the same thing that was keeping him in his ice only form.


Tell that to Chuck Austen.

Otherwise, yeah I'd have to agree with you. I really didn't much consider it a secondary mutation.

[Lawrence]

I think Iceman will still live with the X-men because they really are his family and if he doen't, the hundreds of villains which he had crossed in his time as an X-man will probably go kill him without protection.

[The Fury]

Tell that to Chuck Austen.

Otherwise, yeah I'd have to agree with you. I really didn't much consider it a secondary mutation.
If he posted here, i would but i think he'd fear comming here.

[Ryan K]

I voted "I'm quite annoyed by this", mostly because I'm quite annoyed at all of the depowerings.

[Faded]

I voted "I'm quite annoyed by this", mostly because I'm quite annoyed at all of the depowerings.

Same here.

And btw, I personally feel Iceman to be a B-List character.

[Twigglet]

Same here.

And btw, I personally feel Iceman to be a B-List character.

So his big role in the X-movies, 90's tv show, video games, always in a mainstream X-comic for the past 20 odd years doesn't make him A-list?

Who is A-list then? I would say Iceman because my friends who don't read comics know who he is.

[StoneGold]

So his big role in the X-movies, 90's tv show, video games, always in a mainstream X-comic for the past 20 odd years doesn't make him A-list?

Who is A-list then? I would say Iceman because my friends who don't read comics know who he is.
At best, he's an A-, really a B but the teacher was grading on the curve. Let's put it this way, if it wasn't for Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends, he'd be a solid B, maybe even a B-. Would you consider Firestar an A list character?

[Lawrence]

I would say he's B-list as well mainly because he wasn't in the 90's cartoon. A listers are people like Storm, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Wolverine and the Prof.

[Twigglet]

At best, he's an A-, really a B but the teacher was grading on the curve. Let's put it this way, if it wasn't for Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends, he'd be a solid B, maybe even a B-. Would you consider Firestar an A list character?


Nope not at all.

But I doubt many people can remember X-men and the Amazing friends, I don't even know if Firestar is alive in comics any mroe, never mind when he last appeared, like I said X-men and X2 are some of the biggest movies of the las tyear, and Iceman had a big role in both of them, my friends were talking about him and Wolverine the other day and they don't read comics, so he is pretty mainstream as well.

[Twigglet]

I would say he's B-list as well mainly because he wasn't in the 90's cartoon. A listers are people like Storm, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Wolverine and the Prof.

Definitly them 4.

And I'dd add Iceman and Rogue now.

[Lawrence]

But really, the word Iceman isn't even mentioned that much... Anyway, Pyro was in the film but you wouldn't say that he's an A-lister..

[Crimson]

But really, the word Iceman isn't even mentioned that much... Anyway, Pyro was in the film but you wouldn't say that he's an A-lister..

Being dead is a pretty big handicap in gaining a following now.

I'd say Iceman is B list, A List in terms of X-Men.

[The Fury]

I'd say Iceman is B list, A List in terms of X-Men.
I could have sworn I posted about this very subject eitehr here or somewhere else but I can't find that post. *shrugs*

Well I said the exact above.

In terms of Marvel he is a B-list but when we are talking of the X-men and mutant, he is easily A-list.