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Mike Smith
11-10-2005, 03:59 AM
It's obvious Bush made a huge mistake by creating a center battle against terrorism without overwhelming support for allies. Today Jordan suffered triple attacks at hotels popular with Westerners, and not too long ago just two bombers destroyed a restaurant in Iraq, killing 33. Every day new examples of why a war on terrorism cannot be managed by one country and a few friends cannot be won or remotely handled. When and how does the US pull out in your opinion and what does the international community do, together, to deal with the problem that is only escalating in severity?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/10/D8DPGL5O0.html

al-Qaida Claims Credit for Jordan Blasts
Nov 10 3:53 AM US/Eastern
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By JAMAL HALABY
Associated Press Writer

AMMAN, Jordan

Al-Qaida claimed responsibility in an Internet posting Thursday for three suicide attacks on Western hotels that killed at least 57 people, as police clamped down on security and began running DNA tests to try to identify the bombers.

The nearly simultaneous attacks late Wednesday also wounded more than 115 people, police said. Several arrests were made overnight, although it was unclear if those arrested were suspects or witnesses.

The claim of responsibility, signed in the name of the spokesman for the group Al-Qaida in Iraq, said that "after studying and watching the targets, places were chosen to carry out an attack on some hotels that the tyrant of Jordan has made the backyard garden for the enemy of the religion _ Jews and crusaders."

The authenticity of the posting could not be immediately determined, though it was made on a Web site frequently used by Al-Qaida operatives.

Jordan's King Abdullah II chaired a meeting with his security chiefs just hours after returning home from a trip abroad and inspecting the still-smoldering sites.

A security official said several people were rounded up overnight, but would not provide other details. He said authorities had tips on suspects who are being hunted down, including possible sleeper cells or individuals who may have assisted the attackers and later fled in a vehicle bearing Iraqi license plates.

The official, insisting on anonymity because he is not allowed to speak to reporters, said that DNA tests were being carried out to determine the identity of the perpetrators, including two suicide bombers who blew themselves up in two of the separate hotel attacks. A third suicide attacker used a car to attack the third hotel.

The dead and wounded were mainly Jordanians, said Jordan's Deputy Prime Minister Marwan Muahser.

Other victims included three Chinese, all from China's elite training university, who were visiting the kingdom and four Palestinians.

Maj.-Gen. Bashir Nafeh, the head of military intelligence in the West Bank, and Col. Abed Allun, a high-ranking Preventive Security forces official, were killed in the attack at the Grand Hyatt Hotel, the Palestinian envoy to Amman, Ambassador Attala Kheri, told The Associated Press.

Israel's Foreign Ministry confirmed that an Israeli was killed in the bombings, but had no other details.

The government was quick to lay blame on al-Qaida's chief in Iraq, Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi, who heads the al-Qaida in Iraq group, for the attacks that rocked the U.S. hotel chains Grand Hyatt and Days Inn and the Swedish Radisson SAS late Wednesday, sending smoke billowing into the skies of Amman.

The state Jordan Television showed Abdullah inspecting the sites of the blasts after returning home early Thursday, cutting short an official visit to Kazakhstan. He later presided over a meeting of his security chiefs, including police and intelligence.

The security official said Jordan was exploring al-Qaida's involvement because the attacks, which occurred nearly simultaneously, and the targets carried the trademarks of the terror group.

The hotels, usually frequented by Israelis and Americans, have long been on al-Qaida's hit list.

Jordanian Deputy Prime Minister Marwan Muasher said two suicide bombers attacked the Hyatt and the nearby Radisson SAS. The Days Inn attack was carried out by an explosives-laden vehicle that blew up outside the hotel after failing to cross a police line.

Rabid Trekkie
11-10-2005, 05:22 AM
Problem is, Iraq isn't really part of the war on terror. Oh sure that was one of the five or six reasons we had going in, but in my opinion what we really went in for was to show all these other people (NK, Iran, Al-Queda) just how fast we can bring a country to a stand still. That's why we haven't been doing as well as we should have since we captured Saddam.

But as to beating Al-Queda, that's not going to be any easy task either. Politicians were saying that if we got Osama we could cripple his organization, that is so dead wrong I don't even know where to begin. The thing is all based on a cell structure so while you can wipe out some, hell you could kill over half of their leaders and soldiers, it won't kill everything. New cells rise to take the place of the dead ones and what one cell does, doesn't interefere with the others unless they're being stupid and trying to orchestrate something really massive. So the problem with the war on terror is we haven't even gotten through the conquest phase.

Wesley Dodds
11-10-2005, 05:25 AM
No, it won't finish Al Qaeda, but when someone kills 3000 people in a spectacular terrorist attack, you don't want them running around.

DarlingNikki
11-10-2005, 07:15 AM
i thought this was a thread about sexual relationships. too bad it's not.

Fabian
11-10-2005, 07:17 AM
i thought this was a thread about sexual relationships. too bad it's not.
It could be


ASL?

DarlingNikki
11-10-2005, 07:23 AM
It could be


ASL?

HAHAHA!

that made my mourning...

no, that's not a mispelling.

king mob
11-10-2005, 08:14 AM
A War On Terrorism can never be won, terrorism is a concept and a pretty flexable one so bush and Blair bleating on about T.W.A.T and how we need to stay in Iraq, Afghanistan and probably go piling into Iran is ultimately pointless.
All it does is help alienate a section of the planet and avoid dealing with issues that do help the rise of terrorism, such as poverty and blatent inequality.

You can fight against a specific threat, such as Al-Quieda, and not something as vague as 'terrorism'.But we ballsed that us, we allowed Al-Queida to regroup in Afghansitan as well as allowing the Taliban to regain control of parts of Afghanistan in order to fight a pointless war in Iraq.

So what we actually did was let Al-Queida become the bogeyman Bush and Blair were saying they were pre-Iraq/Afghanistan, we've given them the biggest boost in invading Iraq and helped drive their recruitment up.

But what can we do?

Well addressing some of the concerns of muslims round the world would help. If we remove the reasons for terrorism then obviously terrorists which equally fall, it's what worked in Northern Ireland and perhaps it can work this time. Though Al-Quieda has no central command structure like say, the IRA does.

If we expect 'terrorists' to stop killing people, then we have to do the same.Otherwise the cycle will never be broken and we will be stuck with the 'endless war' many are predicting.

So when does the coalition pull out of Iraq?

When Iraq is safe, we fucked the place up and it's down to us to try to ensure we help.then again we're not exactly helping being there.So basically the situation is fucked.

But realistically i can't see anything changing til Bush and Blair are gone, til then i think we're stuck in this mess.

Forefinger
11-10-2005, 08:23 AM
i thought this was a thread about sexual relationships. too bad it's not.
Naughty girl needs a spanking.