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jetter_cheeze

11-09-2005, 06:23 PM

Well, Tim definitely knows about Red Hood. Red Hood went and visited Tim at Titans Towers and they fought.

I think the thing about it that i found to be very comical was red hood's robin costume. Turns out when he doesn't have the jacket and red hood mask on, he is wearing a whole Robin outfit underneath. It looks exactly like his old one, excpt that he is wearing yellow tights on his legs then having them be bare.

The whole fight was Jason's way of testing how good Tim was. And he did admit at the end that Tim was good for the job. Alot of Jason's resentment towards tim seems to stem from the fact that Tim is more of a part of Titans than what JAson was. They went into the hallway of fallen titans and there isn't a statue for Jason. Jason leaves his own mark by writing "Jason Todd was here" in blood on the wall.

Besides the hilarious robin costume that jason was wearing, this issue was done really well. The fight scene was excellent, and the story telling wonderful. Go Geoff Johns!

Absalom

11-09-2005, 08:29 PM

So Jason is Hush AND Red Hood simultaneously, huh ?

I smell Clayface...

Lex

11-09-2005, 10:58 PM

I haven't been following the Red Hood story in Batman because... well, I really don't care about it. But, I thought this was a decent story. It had a lot of decent character examinations for both Tim and Jason. To me, that makes this whole "Jason Todd back from the dead" idea worth it. We got a nice examination of who Tim is and why he should be Robin.

Also, I'm very interested in the next storyline where we learn more about the dead coming back so much lately.I think the thing about it that i found to be very comical was red hood's robin costume. Turns out when he doesn't have the jacket and red hood mask on, he is wearing a whole Robin outfit underneath. It looks exactly like his old one, excpt that he is wearing yellow tights on his legs then having them be bare. I'm not sure that he wears it all the time. Since he came to the Tower specifically to see who's the better Robin, it's kind of logical that he'd wear a Robin costume of his own. It's not spelled out in the comic, but that's whay I assumed.

Guts/Batman

11-09-2005, 11:50 PM

I laughed my way through this issue.

I burst out laughing and could hardly control my laughter when Jason tore off his leather jacket and pants. I couldn't keep it away. I just laughed uncontrolably. That was hilarious.

It was a decent Jason Todd story. But it doesn't thrill me. At least it wasn't Red Hood-blows-stuff-up plot, that Winick has going right now. Johns gave me a reason to care about the character (something Winick hasn't done so far).

Although, what I also found absolutley hilarious is what Raven said about "Death and Life not holding any meaning." She made official what I (and many others) have been saying for monthes.

And so leading the path to Infinite Crisis #4...

Then you have the angst of Conner and Cassie, I think this books could have gone without but who am I to argue teen angst doesn't equal drama.

Oh, thanks DC for having Donna Troy on the cover "Red Hood plus Donna Troy-- --equal dead Robin", then have Donna Troy in the book for all of 4 pages tops!!!

That's not misleading in the least.

Sean Whitmore

11-10-2005, 12:04 AM

Guts/Batman

11-10-2005, 12:38 AM

Just_A_Rat

11-10-2005, 03:58 AM

I asked this in the other thread, but it bears repeating...

Why would the Titans input the DNA of a long-dead member into the security system of their brand new headquarters?

I'm sure Danny Chase and Aquagirl will be happy to know that if they ever come back to life they can walk right in.

SEAN

Well, it certainly wouldn't be the first time a member or ally of the Titans thought dead re-appeared. No to mention, the possibility exists that they still haev all the dna databases going 'way back, and just update those with new information as new members join.

The Cool Thatguy

11-10-2005, 08:13 AM

I asked this in the other thread, but it bears repeating...

Why would the Titans input the DNA of a long-dead member into the security system of their brand new headquarters?

It's especially ironic if you consider how many Titans have been resurrected and turned evil. Raven (once), Golden Eagle, Donna Troy (for a little bit)Jericho, Lilith and Jason Todd. Terra and Joto seem to be the only real exception.

kash

11-10-2005, 11:56 AM

I asked this in the other thread, but it bears repeating...

Why would the Titans input the DNA of a long-dead member into the security system of their brand new headquarters?

I'm sure Danny Chase and Aquagirl will be happy to know that if they ever come back to life they can walk right in.

SEAN

its all part of the dead means alive in a couple years concept.
if you remember Archer's Quest, Ollie broke into Kord to get to the JLA Watchtower, something that was up and running post death, yet when he was scanned he was accepted in, even though his status was dead. I guess its the whole concept once a titan always a titan

cmndob

11-10-2005, 01:05 PM

This issue portrays EXACTLY why Jason Todd was brought back. Everyone can bitch and complain all they want, but the fact is he wasn't brought back just to boost sales and piss off fans, he was brought back because it's too interesting to NOT bring him back. I mean the guy is right! He was a Titan. And there are tons of obscure Titans everyone remembers. Bruce and Alfred remember Jason, but Jason would have known the entire superhero community. He's the scorned middle child, and THAT my friends is teen angst.

protege

11-10-2005, 02:59 PM

So what does that make Jericho?

Guts/Batman

11-10-2005, 03:21 PM

This issue portrays EXACTLY why Jason Todd was brought back. Everyone can bitch and complain all they want, but the fact is he wasn't brought back just to boost sales

He might be right but you cannot tell me this wasn't a ploy by DC to bring up sales numbers...

After that War Games mess, they needed something to boost sales. The best way to do that is to create massive drama (even if it is contrived, like it in this case).

I say there arre better ways of creating massive drama without reaching 17 years back to do it. Also, teen angst doesn't equal good drama. Which is what Teen Titans are suffering from at the moment: Jason. Cassie, Conner (massively).

This is exactly what anti-DC people will bring up when they say that DC doesn't move forward. They are constantly looking to the past to create drama (not to say that Marvel doesn't). This makes that "complaint" a legiitimate.

I wish that Winick would stop with the Red Hood-blows-stuff-up storyline. It's getting old and annoying. Johns made me actually care about the character (not that it makes me want him dead any less, because I want him dead again very soon).

Tennoarashi

11-10-2005, 07:06 PM

Man, I wanted more Donna. The fight was pretty... Well, I wanted Tim to win.

Gauss

11-10-2005, 07:51 PM

After that War Games mess, they needed something to boost sales. The best way to do that is to create massive drama (even if it is contrived, like it in this case).

I choose to believe that after the "Hush" storyline, D.C. took note of the number of fans who guessed it was Jason relatively early in the storyline, as well as the number who actually liked the idea, and then decided to capitalize on it after the shock wore off. :)

Guts/Batman

11-10-2005, 07:59 PM

I choose to believe that after the "Hush" storyline, D.C. took note of the number of fans who guessed it was Jason relatively early in the storyline, as well as the number who actually liked the idea, and then decided to capitalize on it after the shock wore off. :)

That's true....

But after War Games they did need some gimick that would bring fans back in a big way. There's no denying that.

Forsaken_One

11-11-2005, 01:47 AM

But Guts, these are comics. Every single editorially driven action and a large majority of writer driven actions are geared towards selling more comics. That's what they do, it's how they make their money. Yeah, Jason Todd coming back was probably a way to get sales up. So was War Games. So was Identity Crisis. So was the Titans Tomorrow story arc. All the miniseries that came out recently. Every single issue of every single comic aims to get better sales than the last.

Guts/Batman

11-11-2005, 02:01 AM

Typo Lad

11-11-2005, 11:18 AM

It's especially ironic if you consider how many Titans have been resurrected and turned evil...Terra and Joto seem to be the only real exception.

Heck, Terra's "funnier" becasue she started out evil.

kenaustin

11-11-2005, 08:58 PM

Am I the only one wondering when did Lilith become Brother Blood's mother? Did I misunderstand it or something?

Lex

11-11-2005, 09:38 PM

Not mother in the literal sense. Brother Blood, in his screwed-up wackiness, seems to pick someone to be his "mother." In his first storyline, when he was dissatisfied with his current mother, he would kill her and pick another. And this "mother" seems to fill a specific roll in his cult. He may have a specific reason for picking Lilith as his new mother... probably because she's currently dead (and he's either dead or living in an afterlife/hell dimension) and possibly because of her teleportational powers.

Guts/Batman

11-11-2005, 09:43 PM

I'm still trying to figure out why the Spectre was in there...

That's one of the things that confuzzles me.

Sean Whitmore

11-11-2005, 09:49 PM

I'm still trying to figure out why the Spectre was in there...

That's one of the things that confuzzles me.

Five gets you ten that he'll be paying Brother Blood a visit next issue.

SEAN

Guts/Batman

11-11-2005, 09:50 PM

Five gets you ten that he'll be paying Brother Blood a visit next issue.

SEAN

I don't doubt it...

Lex

11-11-2005, 10:03 PM

I think the Spectre image was just a reference to what's been going on with the magical world. And also a forshadowing of the weakening of the walls of the afterlife (which is probably what Brother Blood will use to escape).

Nick Kal

11-11-2005, 10:14 PM

Yeah Spectre messed with the magic holding Brother Blood in his realm.

jetter_cheeze

11-12-2005, 01:04 AM

That's true....

But after War Games they did need some gimick that would bring fans back in a big way. There's no denying that.

But Jason being back hasn't made sales jump to any sort of level. Certainly not to the "Hush" levels of Jim lee. it does bring about interesting stories that could be told through his coming back. For me, the straw will be how he came back. My guess is that they will tie it into Infinite Crisis, and if they could do it in a believable fashion, i say let him come back and stay around for some time.

I'm just waiting for Azrael to come back sometime soon....

Guts/Batman

11-12-2005, 01:16 AM

Hmmmm...personally Winick hasn't made me care about the character yet enough to care about how he managed to come back to life. So far he has had Jason just blowing stuff up and telling Batman that he has come back to replace him...

It will be an "interesting" detail to know but I think I'm beyond caring about Jason. The straw has already been broken.

Trusty Mutsi

11-21-2005, 08:13 PM

Isn't Jason's costume the...

****POSSIBLE SPOILER*****

... Earth 2 Robin costume? Is this another Earth 2 fugitive?

Sean Whitmore

11-21-2005, 08:21 PM

Isn't Jason's costume the...
... Earth 2 Robin costume? Is this another Earth 2 fugitive?

The costume looks like the regular Robin suit to me. Except for the yellow legs, which was a coloring mistake.

Earth-2 Robin's costume, both of them, were noticeably different. Especially that first, GODAWFUL one... :eek:

SEAN

Lex

11-21-2005, 08:28 PM

Didn't Jason's old costume show his bare legs? If you were an adult, wouldn't you want to cover up now?

Guts/Batman

11-21-2005, 08:29 PM

Didn't Jason's old costume show his bare legs? If you were an adult, wouldn't you want to cover up now?

Yep.

The original had no pants.

Who knows what is going through Jason's head nowadays. Personally, I would kept the badass leather coat and pants on.

protege

11-21-2005, 09:34 PM

Yep.

The original had no pants.

Who knows what is going through Jason's head nowadays. Personally, I would kept the badass leather coat and pants on.
No pants? i wonder what that looked like? And the earth 2 Robin covered up his arms and legs in his second costume.

Guts/Batman

11-21-2005, 09:37 PM

No pants? i wonder what that looked like? And the earth 2 Robin covered up his arms and legs in his second costume.

It's everywhere in Batman currently. And if you read TT #29. Just imagine him having peach legs and not yellow.

Sean Whitmore

11-21-2005, 09:46 PM

Here are the two different Earth-2 Robin costumes. The one everyone remembers from Crisis:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/whitmore_sean/Robin.jpg

And the "I s--t you not, he actually wore this stupid fricking thing" costume.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/whitmore_sean/00774.jpg

SEAN

Guts/Batman

11-21-2005, 09:51 PM

WTF?!?!?

Crazy, crazy people I tells ya. And people think that Morrison is on something when he writes.

Cybak

11-22-2005, 07:13 AM

With Robin Earth 2 showing up on the cover of Infinite Crisis 3, is it possible that this Jason Todd is actually Dick Grayson yet older and from a different universe.

Aufbach

11-24-2005, 10:18 AM

I'd been wondering lately when/how Jason Todd was going to meet Tim Drake, and I walk into the comic store yesterday and notice TT #29 on the shelf. Synchronicity. Interesting that DC decided to have them meet in a TT issue, and not in the Robin comic or one of the numerous Batman titles. Though, after reading the issue, it made sense: Jason's pissed at the TT for not honoring him like they have with other fallen Titans, so that's where he hunts down his successor.

This is the first TT issue that I've ever bought, and I've been collecting since 1987. I wasn't disappointed. Good story, good dialogue between Jason and Tim. Great fight; Jason should win - he's older, stronger, and (apparently) has had the intervening years to hone his skills.

I would suspect that Jason's fighting ability are along the lines of Nightwing's, perhaps even a little better, since he's seems to be more of a fanatic.

Thoughts?