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Doom Hammer

11-09-2005, 05:11 PM

Just when you thought this book couldn't get any better...

...Fabian went and proved you wrong, fool!

This issue was just great. It's finaly becoming the "buddy book" we've all been waiting for, and it's more than just a little homo-erotic. :D

After getting the drop on the Black Box and his nigh-omnipotence, Cable and Deadpool come face to face with...those chicks DP wasted in the Circle Chase! Aaaah! They're supposed to be dead! 'Cuz Deadpool killed them! In the Circle Chase! Uh-whaaaaa?!?!

Seriously, the comic was worth it's $2.99 just for those two characters. Fabian wrote them and killed them off back in Deadpool's first mini, and now he's brought them back...to be KILLED AGAIN! TWICE! WITHIN FIVE MINUTES!

As Deadpool fights his way through this barrage of clones, (with some of the best-timed and executed quips in the series thus far), Cable confronts the Black Box (an old enemy with a new look, apparently), and is absorbed into a world of flowing information. But Cable's used to processing a world's full of information, so he takes some of that...um, information...and turns it into a BIG GUN!

This issue was crazy. It appears that Cable was behind hiring everyone to go after the Dominus Objective, in order to find his old enemy the Black Box. It all makes sense...kind of. We're supposed to be able to guess who the Black Box really is, but I'm kinda lost as far as his identity.

Anywho, by far one of the strongest issues of the series. Perfectly timed humor, lots of action, and a bunch of easter eggs for old Deadpool fans, this issue had it all. With a fun parody-like atmosphere, and an overall believably-wacky storyline, I defy you to say this isn't as good as Slott's stuff.

The recurring jokes about Cable and Deadpool's sexual preferences are interesting, too...

Thoughts?

Atomic Mongoose

11-09-2005, 05:17 PM

I'm wondering if Black Box is Gamesmaster? Very similar powers, and Gamesmaster was a big villain back in early X-Force's Younghunt storyline.

LoneWolf21

11-09-2005, 05:18 PM

I'm kind of lost on Black Bon's identity myself. The only thing I could think, given the "ugly clone jokes" they mention in the next issue box of the letters column is Stryfe, wh of course, was last seen dead, and is a Cable foe. But whatever the actual clues Fabian has apparently left for us, I haven't spot any.

Doom Hammer

11-09-2005, 05:21 PM

I'm wondering if Black Box is Gamesmaster? Very similar powers, and Gamesmaster was a big villain back in early X-Force's Younghunt storyline.

That seems to be a popular guess...I think it'd be cool.

Wait until Fabian comes on and laughs at us all...

Volk1

11-09-2005, 05:25 PM

Don't ask me why, but i got the impression that Black Box was Bullseye, and there's probably no way in hell they'd use him in that role, buy, I just get that vibe...

this issue wasn't as great as the previous few, the jokes didn't get by on me in this one, there's usually a scene or two where I'm either smiling or laughing out loud and this ish didnt have one for me, it was still good though..better than most of the stuff thats on the shelves.....7/10...

ok, there was one scene that got a little smile from me, when DP kills Rive and Makeshift - -TWICE - .....good stuff...

Dizzy D

11-09-2005, 05:29 PM

Commcast? Hyped mutant to hardly ever appear.. It fits with Black Box's powers so far.

thik_3rd

11-09-2005, 09:57 PM

gamesmaster crossed my mind...but come on, it's gotta be stryfe.

decent issue.

Gavin Higginbotham, BotF

11-10-2005, 02:04 AM

Commcast? Hyped mutant to hardly ever appear.. It fits with Black Box's powers so far.

He was my guess before hearing that Makeshift and Rife showed up this issue. He was teammates with them in the Executive Elite. I never really undershood how he survived the bullet that Weasel put in his brain... maybe it was a clone that showed up each time since!

Cthulhudrew

11-10-2005, 02:17 AM

He was my guess before hearing that Makeshift and Rife showed up this issue. He was teammates with them in the Executive Elite. I never really undershood how he survived the bullet that Weasel put in his brain... maybe it was a clone that showed up each time since!

Did Commcast get shot? He was in Thunderbolts #51 not so long ago (well, okay, it was a while back, but it was post-Circle Chase for certain).

Dizzy D

11-10-2005, 02:26 AM

He was my guess before hearing that Makeshift and Rife showed up this issue. He was teammates with them in the Executive Elite. I never really undershood how he survived the bullet that Weasel put in his brain... maybe it was a clone that showed up each time since!

It's comics. "Bullet in the brain? Merely a fleshwound."

fishtaco

11-10-2005, 06:39 AM

What a great issue!! Cable was great, Deadpool was great, Rive was great (she rocks!!), Irene was funny.

I feel kinda stupid, because of the end. Who was the guy talking at the end? :confused:

10/10

The Purple Skull

11-10-2005, 08:00 AM

Gavin Higginbotham, BotF

11-10-2005, 09:09 AM

Did Commcast get shot? He was in Thunderbolts #51 not so long ago (well, okay, it was a while back, but it was post-Circle Chase for certain).

He was. He was also in X-MEN UNLIMITED#3 (I think that one, when Maverick and Wolverine hunt down Sabretooth, Mike McKone art) and an issue of X-MEN (written by Fabian) a few issues before Legion Quest. I don't think that a reason was ever given... other than Weasel is a lousy shot.

fishtaco

11-10-2005, 12:19 PM

Is it Stryfe? I think its Stryfe...Stryfe is dead. The one that recently appeared was actually an alternate Domino.

thik_3rd

11-10-2005, 01:01 PM

Stryfe is dead. The one that recently appeared was actually an alternate Domino.
hence deadpool's "it cant be you. you... you're dead!". and all the talk of clones.

Doom Hammer

11-10-2005, 02:34 PM

hence deadpool's "it cant be you. you... you're dead!". and all the talk of clones.

HA! Yeah, good point.

Stryfe isn't cool enough for this book, though...maybe if he lost the pointy hat he'd be okay. :D

Cthulhudrew

11-10-2005, 08:14 PM

hence deadpool's "it cant be you. you... you're dead!". and all the talk of clones.

Of course, the same reasoning could be used for Commcast, if Deadpool was present when Weasel shot him.

Taskmaster

11-10-2005, 08:18 PM

I guess I'm the only one that thought of Arnim Zola as an id for Black Box. Lets see needed a new look, check, Deadpool has a past fighting his clones, check, i dunno maybe it's just me

jade_nova

11-10-2005, 09:08 PM

I like to think that it is Apocalypse.

DMike

11-10-2005, 09:13 PM

For some reason I thought it was either Apocalypse or Tyler/Genesis.

steve2275

11-11-2005, 01:05 AM

my shop didnt have this in

Herald of Asgard

11-11-2005, 02:52 AM

Black Box is totally Arcade!!! He left the 8-bit X-Men world for the Information Super Highway. The BB is what happens when you take a villan that hasn't seen the sun since the 80's and you throw him into the year 2005. There's so many games now, this is the ONLY way to catch up on them all!

And why would Wade wanna massage oil over Cable's Techno-organic biceps when he has two, count em TWO!!!, Olsen twins to choose from? And lets not even MENTION Bea Arthur's fine ass. No, He's just trying to catch Cable in his own little lie, I'm telling ya. I always sensed a little sexual tension between Cable and Shatterstar back in the day, and I think DP did too.

Till next month!!!

Dizzy D

11-11-2005, 02:55 AM

I guess I'm the only one that thought of Arnim Zola as an id for Black Box. Lets see needed a new look, check, Deadpool has a past fighting his clones, check, i dunno maybe it's just me

But I don't think Deadpool has a reason to think he's death. Zola fixed him up with those Gwen Stacy-clones after all.

fishtaco

11-11-2005, 10:20 AM

"Yeah! Everyone wants ta party wit the 'Pool!" :D

Deadpool_Disassembled

11-11-2005, 12:27 PM

Can we have some quotes please?

The Pizza Man

11-11-2005, 02:35 PM

Nother great issue.

C&D 22 is dated January 2006 so I'm hoping this is the return of Apocolypse.

The Cat is totally badass, Fabian needs to write him a mini.

Herald of Asgard

11-11-2005, 03:01 PM

I think it's hilarious how you've got Danny Rand with a tatoo of a dragon on his chest, and then the very next issue, you the The Cat with a tatoo of a kitty on his chest. Maybe it dont take much to ammuse me.

DP quote of the day: "I saw Kill Bill , too. Well, I only saw Kill Bill one, not two, but is saw it ALSO---" "---which was in response to you going all YAAAH!"

Herald of Asgard

11-11-2005, 03:05 PM

"How do you spell relief? D-E-A-D-P-O-L!"

"I think once you find something that works, stick with it." (ah, from mouth of babes)

Herald of Asgard

11-11-2005, 03:08 PM

"I just killed you BOTH five minutes ago!"

Doom Hammer

11-11-2005, 06:12 PM

"How do you spell relief? D-E-A-D-P-O-L!"

"Did he just mispell his own name?"

"Rolaids only has seven letters."

BWAHA!

Nightcrawler

11-11-2005, 06:38 PM

Excellent issue, yet again. I loves me some Cable & Deadpool!

StarsAndGarters

11-12-2005, 03:55 PM

For some reason I thought it was either Apocalypse or Tyler/Genesis.Gah! Not them! Well, maybe Tyler, but definately not Poccy. Or Stryfe. They seem too big to be part of this book. I like it small and cozy.

ReaderX

11-13-2005, 01:36 AM

For some reason, I get the feeling it's Swan. Swan, who for a time had an odd combination of telekenesis/telepathy/Deadpool's healing factor, which made him all knowing, all seeing, and almost immortal. He could possibly have survived about 20 shots to the head, one can never know.

If it turns out being Tyler, then he would have to had a better plastic surgeon than the Director, cause Logan went beyond berserk on him. But those are the kicks of being from the future I guess.

pennywisdom

11-13-2005, 02:07 AM

Good issue, but not the best. It was all questions and no answers, so I had a hard time reviewing it without adding the caveat that readers will have to stick around for the next issue to hit the payoff. It kind of reminds of when they promised to reveal the identity of Cartman's dad on South Park.

The recurring jokes about Cable and Deadpool's sexual preferences are interesting, too...
If by "interesting" you mean "baiting" then, yes, they are.

First of all, I doubt that the issue of sexual orientation can come up in a comic without people going insane and death threats being issued. Check out the letter columns in Young Avengers. I would like an intelligent conversation about homosexuality in comic books without the debate also consuming every other topic, but I haven't seen it done yet.

Secondly, Cable & Deadpool is almost literally the only book in existence that isn't surrounded by "who's gay, who's not" controversy. I'm not a homophobe and I have no problem whatsoever with the gay lifestyle, which is why I find gay witch-hunts to be pointless and insulting to all involved. I would really like to be able to continue reading this book without having every aspect of it turning into some sort of a crusade. C/D is the book that is fun and doesn't encourage any sort of violent crusade. Keep it that way.

Doom - I know you started this topic with the intent of it just being a casual conversation, but casual conversations about gay issues in comic books just don't happen. Everything is anger and politics. Do you know we're five years into Ultimate X-Men and people still can't wrap their heads around a gay Colossus? People can't accept it and just enjoy. PLEASE don't anyone do anything to encourage flame wars and slime campaigns among readership of this title. It's the only book I can enjoy without taking up a position on.

Doom Hammer

11-13-2005, 07:45 AM

Doom - I know you started this topic with the intent of it just being a casual conversation, but casual conversations about gay issues in comic books just don't happen. Everything is anger and politics. Do you know we're five years into Ultimate X-Men and people still can't wrap their heads around a gay Colossus? People can't accept it and just enjoy. PLEASE don't anyone do anything to encourage flame wars and slime campaigns among readership of this title. It's the only book I can enjoy without taking up a position on.

First of all, the poll was meant as a joke, because anyone who read the issue knows that Cable and Deadpool are still straight. If anything, they're just friends who don't really know how to have friends. Cable is a soldier from the future, and Deadpool is a mercenary who drove away the only two people who could almost be considered his friends, (a prisoner and an arms supplier).

Secondly, do you see anyone else getting upset about it? I'm not suggesting you're intolerant, I'm just suggesting that you're maybe overlooking the comedic nature of this book. Was there a flurry of hatred over Flatman coming out in GLA? No. People may get a little upset over gay teens and superheroes, but this kind of teasing is just for the sake of comedy. And it's funny. It's not like we should hide the happenings of this book so the general internet population will continue to buy it. We should talk about it, because it's pretty humorous.

Bringing this up as a "serious" issue is what will cause problems, and that's what we're doing right now by talking about it like this. So how about we drop the whole thing, and accept that it's a funny recurring joke?

pennywisdom

11-13-2005, 08:18 AM

So how about we drop the whole thing, and accept that it's a funny recurring joke?
Yeah, that's fine with me, but I'm not the one with an axe to grind. My whole point is that I'd love to drop the issue, but the letter hacks who mount boycott campaigns won't. Just something to think about. Nothing personal.

Will.S

11-13-2005, 08:14 PM

I think Black Box is Clarity from Robert Weinberg's excellent Cable run in the 2000 Revolution. He debuted in issue #80 which was part 2 of The Undying storyline.

I'll scan the page for you guys on his debut appearance:

http://tinypic.com/fntmbp

fishtaco

11-14-2005, 06:32 AM

Could be. I forgot about him.

Novaya Havoc

11-14-2005, 08:18 AM

Commcast? Hyped mutant to hardly ever appear.. It fits with Black Box's powers so far.

A little off topic, but remember that Commcast had an action figure in the 90s? <lol> I never knew who the heck he was until about now.

FabianNicieza

11-14-2005, 08:25 AM

Could be. I forgot about him.

And I never knew he even existed, which is probably for the best, since he's an exact frickin' copy of the guy who it IS -- and a guy who came way first.

Mark Gruenwald said, "don't duplicate when you got a pre-existing character with the same powers."

Follow the Gru, you won't go wrong.

-- fabian

LoneWolf21

11-14-2005, 11:57 AM

A little off topic, but remember that Commcast had an action figure in the 90s? <lol> I never knew who the heck he was until about now.

I sure do!

I never actually bought him, but I remember seeing him on the toy shelves and on te back of the boxes and wondering "Who the heck is this guy?"

Will.S

11-14-2005, 07:28 PM

And I never knew he even existed, which is probably for the best, since he's an exact frickin' copy of the guy who it IS -- and a guy who came way first.

Mark Gruenwald said, "don't duplicate when you got a pre-existing character with the same powers."

Follow the Gru, you won't go wrong.

-- fabian
Hah, time to change up that reveal! ;)

Alan2099

11-14-2005, 07:36 PM

I sure do!

I never actually bought him, but I remember seeing him on the toy shelves and on te back of the boxes and wondering "Who the heck is this guy?"
I can undersand the feeling. My question was more along the lines of "What did this guy ever do to deserve an action figure?"

I mean at least with some of the other no-names, they at least had a semi-cool look to them to make you want to buy them. That guy had nothing.

fishtaco

11-14-2005, 07:37 PM

And I never knew he even existed, which is probably for the best, since he's an exact frickin' copy of the guy who it IS -- and a guy who came way first.

Mark Gruenwald said, "don't duplicate when you got a pre-existing character with the same powers."

Follow the Guru, you won't go wrong.

-- fabianEven after reading this, I still can't figure out for sure who it is.

LoneWolf21

11-14-2005, 07:44 PM

I can undersand the feeling. My question was more along the lines of "What did this guy ever do to deserve an action figure?"

I mean at least with some of the other no-names, they at least had a semi-cool look to them to make you want to buy them. That guy had nothing.

Yeah. I think the figure might've come with a air scooter-vehicle of some sort (which essentially meant standing him on something, nothing overtly spectacular), from what I recall from the back of box.

I mean, the Corsair figure had a better gimmick then that! Corsair the space pirate dado of Cyclops and Havok!

EDIT:After a quick EBAY scan, the Commcast figures only was indeed, the little hovercraftthing he had. Oh, and he had a little blaster fun. Yeesh.

cable guy

12-05-2005, 06:37 PM

There.

I'm finally caught back up.

Char Aznable

12-05-2005, 07:30 PM

Maybe its Taskmaster! Though last I saw of him he was very much alive but his powers would somewhat fit.

Murrocko

12-06-2005, 01:37 PM

When's the next ish (23) coming out?

Doom Hammer

12-06-2005, 03:40 PM

Two weeks.

And I like that 67 people took the time to wonder about Deadpool's sexual preference. :D

Jagernaut

12-06-2005, 04:30 PM

cable guy

12-07-2005, 06:47 AM