HOM the day after

[jadegiant77]

Anybody pick this one up? It pisses me off that there are even less mutants now than we originally were told! This issue wasn't anything really spectacular(Claremont doesn't wow me anymore). So why do we need a sentinel program to police, what, 198 ppl? Is the total really that low? Anybody wanna post a synopsis? i suck at those.

[Novaya Havoc]

Can someone give me a spoiler rundown? Does Dazzler appear?

[protege]

Yeah, and i have to say, i won't miss "Insect eating girl", but why'd they go and depower Dani Moonstar?

[Ugoff]

Yeah, and i have to say, i won't miss "Insect eating girl", but why'd they go and depower Dani Moonstar?


Why? There is no reason why, cuz Marvel doesnt know what their doing. I know I'm gonna get bashed for saying this but I really dont care. The HOM the day after one shot comic was one of the worst comics ever. Just completely a huge step backwards and just stupid. Stupid uninteresting horrid, just look up or think of all the negative words used to describe something and HOM the day after is that.

[LoneWolf21]

There's an interesting snafu at one point in the issue. Bobby is handling the phone lines at Xavier's, and is talking to Cessily's parents (he specifically says "Mr. and Mrs.Kincaid"), and in his next speech balloon in the panel says that Noriko still has her powers. Oops.

Also, was I the only one who thought that the depowered Feral and Thornn (who are still acting close, even though they used to hate each other. Eh, I'll chalk it up to tragedy) we see aren't drawn to look hispanic at all?

[jeangreydp]

I thought this issue was pretty much snores galores.

[countryfan2004]

I actually loved it....I was glad to see Paige again, but I wanna know if she has her powers or not. I guess I'll have to wait until she appears in Uncanny with Warren....

[SnakeEater]

i dropped xmen during the whole Rachal became a dinosuar and the alien thing in the other book but this HoM thing really turned me back onto xmen. im pretty sure that claremonts first arc already has Rachal being controlled by yet again someone else so i might drop this in the next 3 months. Day after was alright, i just wish they would have spent more time on who was depowered because i think thats what fans want to know up front. Why they didnt let a mutant story teller write Hom is beyond me but i think Bendis dropped the ball on that storyline and despite teh fact that i hate Claremont, i think it would have been easier for X fans to know whats going on if he wrote it. either way for the next three months im Buying House Arrest and End Of Greys or whatever its called and ill give xmen their probation period in that three months.

[thik_3rd]

wow i was impressed with this. i hated house of m. the story and the ramnifications but this was a great issue, one of the better comics to come out this week.

it had way more tension and drama than all 8 issues of hom rolled into one. i loved the way it set up sentinel squad one, son of m, x-factor, new x-calibur, the next x-men arc, etc. the whole issue had this onimous feeling hanging over it.
oh, and i've pretty much hated everything claremont wrote since he ended his original x-men run.

9/10

[thik_3rd]

i dropped xmen during the whole Rachal became a dinosuar and the alien thing in the other book but this HoM thing really turned me back onto xmen. i
i dropped uncanny and adjectiveless right around then too.
like i said i didn't like hom as a whole, but now i'm tempted to pick up the main books again just to see where this is going (i'm already planning on getting the mini's and x-factor).

[Beast]

Day after was alright, i just wish they would have spent more time on who was depowered because i think thats what fans want to know up front.
Because that wasn't the primary purpose of Day After. The purpose was to establish the status quo of mutants post HoM and set up the storylines for each of the X-Titles post HoM. For more time on who was depowered, grab Generation M. For more of Pietro, grab Son of M. Etc. :)

[Lex]

Anybody pick this one up?Even though I didn't read House of M, I picked this up out of curiousity over these mutant changes. This issue seemed like a jumbled, chaotic mess. I understood a lot of it, but there were many head-scratching moments. I think the problem was that this had to set up too many of the projects coming out of HoM like Son of M and X-Factor and others.

[Will.S]

Despite the ugly and sketchy art by Randy Green, I liked House of M: The Day After quite a bit. You get to see mutants dealing with the de-powering from all over as well as terrorist mentalities within the human race which escalates the danger even more just judging by the attack on the X-Corp building. BTW anyone spot Mr. Sinister in the 6th page?

It also acts as a bridge between HoM and all the mutant related titles related to the event such as X-Men, Sentinel Squad One, X-Factor, Generation M, The 198, New Excalibur, New X-Men, Son of M, Wolverine and a whole bunch of other books.

Good stuff, can't wait for all the upcoming stories.

[Gaveedra 6]

I thought it was a fairly adequate bridge issuue, setting up all the elements that will be featured in the X-Books in the coming months (X-Factor, Excalibur, Sentinels, students leaving, etc..) The art was passable, but I just wish they got someone to write it other than Cleremont. I know multi-character/multi-plotline stories are his gig, but his dialogue is just so out of touch. There was a "romantic" scene between Cyclops and Emma which was probably the worst characterization of the two of them I've ever read.

[Blackcat]

are there any new mutants exposed to be de-powered?

[iceman rocks]

I think the population will rise abit because WARNING HUGE SPOILERS AHEAD in x-men #177 i read the spoilers and lorna does'nt have her powers but i think she gets them back because an arc about her is coming up and it would be weird not to have her powers. Also i think some of mutants gene who were depowered maybe of just go there mutation reactivated.

[Beast]

I think the population will rise abit because WARNING HUGE SPOILERS AHEAD in x-men #177 i read the spoilers and lorna does'nt have her powers but i think she gets them back because an arc about her is coming up and it would be weird not to have her powers. Also i think some of mutants gene who were depowered maybe of just go there mutation reactivated.
They don't have their mutant genes at all though, they are totally missing. So it's not a simple matter of just reactivating them.

[Gaveedra 6]

They don't have their mutant genes at all though, they are totally missing. So it's not a simple matter of just reactivating them.
Although the recent Bendis interview contradicts this. I think he intended it to be more ambiguous.

NRAMA: And going back to the change in the mutants, no one knows how it was done, right?

BB: Right. They know Wanda did it, but what you’ll find out whether or not it’s been extinguished, if it’s dormant, if it no longer exists – whatever.

[Teamballin]

Is there any way marvel can make up a list of the 198 mutants who didn't lose there powers? That would make things a lot easier.

[Beast]

Is there any way marvel can make up a list of the 198 mutants who didn't lose there powers? That would make things a lot easier.
There are more than 198 with their powers. As for a list, wait for the 198 files. They don't want the full list to be revealed, but so far we've seen a small number of them.

[protege]

Is there any way marvel can make up a list of the 198 mutants who didn't lose there powers? That would make things a lot easier.
I think it might also pigeonhole them, in case they wanted to bring back a mutant not on the list, somewhere down the line.

[iceman rocks]

but emma did say in hom#8 "is the mutant gene been reactived or deleted altogther "

[Beast]

but emma did say in hom#8 "is the mutant gene been reactived or deleted altogther "
Yeah, and in House of M: The Day After... which this thread is discussing, it's confirmed as being vacant in those who have been depowered by Wanda.

[Gaveedra 6]

Yeah, and in House of M: The Day After... which this thread is discussing, it's confirmed as being vacant in those who have been depowered by Wanda.
Exactly. It doesn't quite jive. But of course the X-Factor isn't completely erased. Pietro will probably be getting his mojo back in the Son of M series*, and I'm sure Iceman won't be melted for too long.

*speculation, based on the cover of #2

[Beast]

Exactly. It doesn't quite jive. But of course the X-Factor isn't completely erased. Pietro will probably be getting his mojo back in the Son of M series*, and I'm sure Iceman won't be melted for too long.

*speculation, based on the cover of #2
Well, that was Emma's speculation in House of M: The Day After. That was before Beast and Sage actually examined the problem and found the cause.

[The Fury]

This was a very good book, gave us an nice intro to the whole thing and with it being linked to all of the main books to be released, It's a great way to see how this are starting off.

Now, I'm off to Read New Excalibur #1 again (it so ruled).

[SOBO]

Two things personally bugged me....

1. Why OH WHY did they have to depower the Blob?! One of my personal faves and a classic x-men villian just...*poof*.....gone like that. :( It was almost as traumatic for me as when Colossus died (well maybe not, but you get my point).

2. I'm not exactly sure on the verbage that was used; but did I read the part right when Emma mentioned that humans now no longer even have the ability to give birth to mutant children? If I did read that right, then that's going a BIT overboard and will go a long way to piss me off.

[The Fury]

Two things personally bugged me....

1. Why OH WHY did they have to depower the Blob?! One of my personal faves and a classic x-men villian just...*poof*.....gone like that. :( It was almost as traumatic for me as when Colossus died (well maybe not, but you get my point).

2. I'm not exactly sure on the verbage that was used; but did I read the part right when Emma mentioned that humans now no longer even have the ability to give birth to mutant children? If I did read that right, then that's going a BIT overboard and will go a long way to piss me off.
1) He is many of the mutants what probably would have had a far better life as a human. Why he kept all his skin is odd though.

2) The no more mutants this is exactly that...no More mutants. The X-gene has been removed from the human populace.

[Beast]

1) He is many of the mutants what probably would have had a far better life as a human. Why he kept all his skin is odd though.

2) The no more mutants this is exactly that...no More mutants. The X-gene has been removed from the human populace.
1. When he has been previously depowered, he looked the same way. It's not as if he never had his mutant powers, so the physical damage or evidence of them are still there. Which is why he retained the excess skin, but lost the mutant fatness.

2. Correct-a-mundo.

[MasterOdin]

It was a decent issue. IMHO, Marvel probably should have done with this issue what DC did with their Countdown to Infinite Crisis one-shot special. Price this issue low and get a lot of people to pick it up to see what is coming up next for the X-Men. The whole issue was pretty much a set-up for the other series.

[thik_3rd]

It was a decent issue. IMHO, Marvel probably should have done with this issue what DC did with their Countdown to Infinite Crisis one-shot special. Price this issue low and get a lot of people to pick it up to see what is coming up next for the X-Men. The whole issue was pretty much a set-up for the other series.
when reading this i got the same feel i did from countdown. while i didn't like the contents/ramnifications of this like i didn't with countdown, it was well written and i really wanted to see what would come of it like i did with countdown.

hopefully in the same way some crap stories like graduation day got the ball rolling for infinite crisis at dc, a crap story like hom can get the ball rolling for something similarly good at marvel a couple years down the line.

[Twigglet]

I found the bit I read of my friend the same as normal Claremont stories, quite good ideas, poor dialogue and bad characterisation (Every character is set 20 years ago).

I will get a better look on Saturday when I get the issue for myself.

[Absolut_Fresh]

ZZZZZZzzzzzzzz.....wake me up when this issue is over.

Seriously....big build up, boring story. there were, however, a few interesting tidbits with Blob, Bobby, and Jubes but all that reporter stuff with Trish and the others was waaaaaay too wordy. i found myself skipping over most of it. it was the same thing over and over again....hopefully things will start to pick up from here cuz so far the HoM stuff has been rather lackluster with minor highlights here and there.

[jadegiant77]

Why? There is no reason why, cuz Marvel doesnt know what their doing. I know I'm gonna get bashed for saying this but I really dont care. The HOM the day after one shot comic was one of the worst comics ever. Just completely a huge step backwards and just stupid. Stupid uninteresting horrid, just look up or think of all the negative words used to describe something and HOM the day after is that.

I'm not bashing you dude. I agree 100%.
Oh, and Noriko DOES still have her powers.

p.s. Am I the only one who thinks that the Sentinels weren't actually there to fight the X-Men? Maybe the role of the Sentinels is changing? Maybe they'll protect mutants from now on?

[hoopoe]

I'm officially totally irritated with HOM.

I should start a poll to see how long it will be before Wanda says,

"MORE MUTANTS"

and then everyone gets their powers back. I also understand why some of the Xmen who were protected (conveniently) by Emma and Dr. Strange, but COME ON!!! How are so many key players still with their powers??? There were hundreds of thousands of mutants and now there are a couple of hundred. What were the odds of a mutant losing his power - has anyone done the math on that yet?

Oh, well. At least there's Infinite Crisis to cheer me up.

[jadegiant77]

This'll all be reversed in a few years anyways, so whatever.

[Valen]

This issue was not very good at all. Emma Frost seemed completely out of character. Something about Wolverine, Madrox, and others seemed off. I haven't felt this bored reading a comic in a while. Plus the art was sketchy at best.

[mattbib]

I really enjoyed this issue, sad as it was. And I don't understand any confusion at this point about what's happened so far; it's all pretty clearly spelled out in this issue.

The charactaerization was spot on as far as I'm concerned. Any aberration is attributed to the stress of the situation. Emma and Iceman were great in this issue, and for once Cyclops comes across as the great leader he strives to be. For the first time in a long time I really, really cared about the effects of the story, and honestly felt bad for Blob and Dani.

[handOFfate]

This issue was just...blah. It didn't grab me the way Countdown to Infinite Crisis did. The Blob situation was interesting, but the rest of the issue did little to set up the new series. I intend to pick up X-Factor, and I'm thinking of giving New X-Men another chance, but New Excalibur and everything else just don't excite me.

[joshtalk43]

I'm officially totally irritated with HOM.

I should start a poll to see how long it will be before Wanda says,

"MORE MUTANTS"

and then everyone gets their powers back. I also understand why some of the Xmen who were protected (conveniently) by Emma and Dr. Strange, but COME ON!!! How are so many key players still with their powers??? There were hundreds of thousands of mutants and now there are a couple of hundred. What were the odds of a mutant losing his power - has anyone done the math on that yet?

Oh, well. At least there's Infinite Crisis to cheer me up.

I got the impression that Wanda was powerless now, so she can't say "No more Mutants". I don't think things will revert back to millions of mutants but there will come a time in 3-5 years when popular characters like iceman and magneto will get their powers back.

[Rasputin]

I wasn't expecting much out of this issue - actually, I wasn't even going to pick it up, but I am glad I did. I was entertained by it and it seemed to do a very good job of laying out the groundwork for what is going to be coming. The characterization seemed fine to me, especially Cyclops. While HOM left me rather indifferent, this issue has me more fired up for X-men books than I have been for a while.

[Ryan K]

I'm going to admit upfront that my distataste for this issus is most likely because of my distaste for this entire Decimation idea. Obviously, I'm especially angry over the depowering of Jubilee.

Now that that's out of thw way, I will say this in praise of the issue. It was interesting. Some of the stories that come out of Decimation seem like they will be interesting. But I don't think that will last.

Outside of the actual concept, my only other problem with this issue is how obvious that it's just a set up issue for 5 X-Men mini series and every book with the word X-Men on it. It's not much of a story in itself. Plus I really would have liked to see some Avengers or other Marvel superheroes responding to M-day.

[Keith_Martineau]

Finally got it.
I thought the scenes around the mansion, with the actual X-Men responding were the best, scenes with Scott, and the last couple pages with Colossus and Wolvie. The last couple pages with the Sentinels landing was kinda like that scene in End of Evangelion where the Eva series lands and yer like "awwww crap, some craps about to go down now!"

What REALLY killed this was the art. Randy Green must have just straight pissed the pencils onto some pages to get this thing done on time, and they still have to have Lopresti take the last couple pages. And the multiple inkers, oh man, some of the pages just so SO rushed.
Instead of having him so the art of HoM: Spiderman, I really wish they'd have had Sal Larocca do this one-shot. He meshes well with Claremont, has great experience drawing all the characters, and he's fast, so he could have taken the whole load, and not had an interrupt to his work in X-Men, and the last couple pages would have meshed well with next weeks issue of X-Men.

Writing - 8
Art - 2

That said, I'm pretty excited. I read New Excalibur and liked it. I'm actually interested in reading X-Men again, looking forward to Deadly Genesis, and this issue actually made me more interested in Son of M, and I'm kind of wishing I picked up New X-Men yesterday. Good start to the new status quo.

[steve2275]

Finally got it.
I thought the scenes around the mansion, with the actual X-Men responding were the best, scenes with Scott, and the last couple pages with Colossus and Wolvie. The last couple pages with the Sentinels landing was kinda like that scene in End of Evangelion where the Eva series lands and yer like "awwww crap, some craps about to go down now!"
...............da

[Black Hole]

I really liked this issue, and I hated House of M, and I was adamantly opposed to the whole decimation idea.

Now I'm excited again. I haven't been this excited since Morrison came on board. I was actually about to drop all my X-titles, but now I can't wait for the next issues to come. I hate that some of my fave's have been depowered, but love that the stories have drawn me in again.

I think Randy Green has drawn the best Havok i've seen in awhile. I noticed on the two-page spread where you saw all the active/de-powered mutants on the screen that Jubilee was listed as depowered. Even though towards the end it didn't look like she had contacted anyone yet. Oh well, a minor trifling in what I thought was an otherwise great issue.

[Ugoff]

I'm not bashing you dude. I agree 100%.
Oh, and Noriko DOES still have her powers.

p.s. Am I the only one who thinks that the Sentinels weren't actually there to fight the X-Men? Maybe the role of the Sentinels is changing? Maybe they'll protect mutants from now on?

I'm sorry I didnt mean to imply that you were bashing me. I wasnt bashing you either just saying that there is no reason why behind what Marvel is doing. I had the same feelings about the Sentinels. I just dont consider them a threat anymore, especially not against the X-Men.

{hoopoe posts--I'm officially totally irritated with HOM.

I should start a poll to see how long it will be before Wanda says,

"MORE MUTANTS"

and then everyone gets their powers back. I also understand why some of the Xmen who were protected (conveniently) by Emma and Dr. Strange, but COME ON!!! How are so many key players still with their powers??? There were hundreds of thousands of mutants and now there are a couple of hundred. What were the odds of a mutant losing his power - has anyone done the math on that yet?

Oh, well. At least there's Infinite Crisis to cheer me up.}

I agree with you. So Dr.Strange was able to conveniently able to shield a bunch of key characters but wasnt able to stop this whole stupid world remake in the first place? Whatever.

[steve2275]

COLOSSUS wasnt in the area of the shield

[Beast]

COLOSSUS wasnt in the area of the shield
He was before the world was changed. :)

[milhouse123321]

Oh ok, so it's everyone who was in one of the two magic fields?

[Cpt_Fluffy]

I've just read my copy of The Day After and it works very well as a set up book; I'm very excited for the upcoming stories.

Now, before I ask my little question I need to point out that I've only been reading X-books for about four months so my understanding of characters may be slightly amiss (I've seen both movies though!).

Right, I'm looking at the pages at the Xavier Institute that occur just after the Age of Empires advert. An internal scene with Nightcrawler, Cyclops, Havok, Kitty and Wolverine. The second frame there zooms to Nightcrawler and Cyclops, right?

Now, Cyclops doesn't have his glasses on, and is babbling "Good Lord, Wanda, what else have you done to us?" seemingly as internal monologue because Nightcrawler cannot hear him. I'd say his eye is slightly open and should, by my understanding, be squirting red death ray laser stuff. But it's not. And, taken with the dialogue this leads me to think that something about Cyclops mutation has changed with M-Day. What have I stupidly overlooked?

He can't be a flat-line human because Cerebro would no longer detect him as a mutant. Am I right in thinking the eye-beam should be his only power? If he loses that, is there any secondary stuff he has? Or, am I being over eager claiming his eye to be partially open.

(I'm certain I'm wrong about all this, after all, all you hard-core X-boys would have spotted this before me and there'd be INTERNET OUTRAGE.)

[Hi-Fi]

Actually, i think that was a mistake by the artist. Scott should be wearing his glasses, as he is in the frame before and after that one.

Welcome to the boards, Cpt. Fluffy!

[Beast]

It looks like he took his glasses off for a moment to rub his temple at the news of another problem. Both eyes are closed, so his eyelids would contain his blasts.

[Cpt_Fluffy]

Thank you for the welcome Hi-Fi. I've been lurking for at least the entirety of House of M - very useful for gleaning backstory facts that a new reader such as myself wouldn't be aware of.

Beast: yeah, I figured he took the glasses off for a moment, but I do *think* the eye is slightly ajar. Obviously, I could be mistaking shadow for eye (as it is a shadowy bit there) but hey, my little bit of wild speculation fits the dialogue nicely :)

But, ta for quelling my fears. I don't think I'd like to see Cyclops de-powered. Even if he keeps it secret for a bit. I'm happy.

[Beast]

Oh, and welcome to the forums Cpt. Fluffy. Yeah, I know what you mean. I would have been less than pleased if Beast was de-powered. Though I wish he would have lost the Lion look, like Bendis wanted to do. :(

[Hi-Fi]

It looks like he took his glasses off for a moment to rub his temple at the news of another problem. Both eyes are closed, so his eyelids would contain his blasts.

Or that.

I'm so stupid. Of course it wasn't a mistake. What kinda of mistake would that be, to forgot to drawn Cykes glasses? :D