New X-Men #20 discussion (spoilers)

[LoneWolf21]

Well, here's the big change-over (both creatively and roster-wise). What did everyone think?

I don't think it was that bad. Obviously not everything hs been answered right away, but since this is the first of four parts, I suppose we'll get them as time goes on.

A lot of the framing here is around the hallway scene from House of M #8, and we get a really good view of all the mayhem. We also get a fairly credible reason for X23 to be here (who's in all of 2 pages.). So far the character interaction seems to be ringing true here too, although hopefully Laurie won't fall for Josh's BS again (admittedly that's my few of him, other opinions may vary). Heck of a cliffhanger though, with Jay (which I believe ties into the first few pages), though I think he'll get out of this (his wings got torn off, but he still has that healing blood). Either way thogh, I suppose this leads into that Guthrie appearence that Chris Yost mentioned in an interview (by the way, I think this is the first use of Melody Guthrie sine the ReLoad, and she gets a codename too, Aero, for al of it's brief use, I like the name). I also wonder how much his accident with Laurie is going to affect Kevin?

Still, it was a satifying issue, I thought

[Gaveedra 6]

I was glad to see some of the characters about exit the book like Kevin and Laurie getting some action. This is a big shot of adrenaline compared to the the book's previous sappy, teen-soap style. Quite a great start, IMO.

[Brian M.]

Anyway we can get full spoilerS?

[Cayman]

It was good, but a bit frantic by its very nature. I'm looking forward to next issue a bit more because I think it'll get more focused.

Cay

[Beast]

Wow. I was upset about the loss of Nunzio and Christina, but this was frankly one of the best issues yet of the series. I hope it keeps up being this good, because I'm certainly in for the long haul if so. Loved all the little moments, even if they're depressing in nature. Beast diving through the window to save Melody was more than Hank's been given to do in a while in most of his other appearances. And the shocking cliffhanger with Jay was horrific. Poor guy didn't just have them ripped off, they were fully removed. Since there's no wing bones and a ton of blood pooling around the bandages.. :eek:

[The Lucky One]

Poor guy didn't just have them ripped off, they were fully removed. Since there's no wing bones and a ton of blood. :eek:

Aw, man. Whatever they do, DON'T let Apocalypse get ahold of this guy!
:rolleyes:

-D

[Gaveedra 6]

Aw, man. Whatever they do, DON'T let Apocalypse get ahold of this guy!
:rolleyes:

-D
Hahaha.
But really... :( :( :(
Icarus was a serious cutie. Here's hoping he can regenerate those flappers. Or at least not be dead...

[AceOfSpades]

What was up with elixer? his skin was gold still, but he wasn't doing much on the healing front.

[Beast]

What was up with elixer? his skin was gold still, but he wasn't doing much on the healing front.
He's still not really well skilled in his abilities. They don't always work.

[Steven F.]

This issues kicked SO much butt. It was really, really, good. Craig, Chris, and Mark did an outstanding job.

By far, the best in the series to date.

:)

[Midnite]

Issue starts with a flashback from "Two Years Before M Day" a derelict looking man (Stryker) is in an abandoned church, looking for guidence. He claims to have sacrificed much, even his wife and child. There's a flash, which he takes as his sign, and thanks God.

Flash forward to Emma waking up (she's standing, as opposed to HOM #8) and running towards the screams coming from the house. Kevin is in his room, wearinf short sleeves and no gloves or shoes. He hears the screams and runs into the hall where a hystercal kid runs past him. He then sees Spectre begging his shadow to come back. Kevin enters the main room to find total chaos. Most kids are grief stricken, but some are happy. I see what looks like Preview of the Paragons screaming that she "can't see", while what appears to be Anole is in the background. Indra Of Alpha Squadron is still purple. Kevin hears kid saying that their powers are gone, and assumes his are too. He runs to where Laurie, Sophia (no indication of her having fainted and lost her powers) and Icarus (still has wings), but when he grabs Laurie's hand, it whithers. Jay yells for Kevin to get away from her, he collapses to the floor, crying. Cut to the bedrooms where Julian is ready for action, until he notices that Tag is on his knees looking stunned. Josh wakes up and asks David "What's happening" David says he doesn't know--he doesn't know anything. Nori and Sooraya decide to "get out there and help". The Cuckoos are awakened by Emma's SOS, all the commotion appears to be giving them headaches. Cessily weeps and asks "Why not me? " Santo is asleep through the whole affair, he does interrupt his snoring with a snort. :D Kevin is still on the floor crying "It's not fair!" Emma sees a boy punching the wall, proclaiming that "It hurts!" Emma makes him sleep. She's trying to scan various kids, and warns Hank That the depowered Melody is attempting to jump off the roof, to prove she can still fly. Hank catches her, as Emma asks Logan to look for a kid named Hydro. It's too late, the boy has drowned himself. Emma heads to Cerebro which confirms the drop in the mutant population. The Cuckoos join her, and all the students are commanded to sleep.

Two Days Later Josh appears unable to heal Laurie's hand. He's crying, and asks if Laurie's doing it to him, which she denies. He promises to fix her hand. Kevin is watching from a distance. Dani storms out of Emma's office, she's been asked to leave. Scott argues on Dani's behalf, but Emma says that any human remaining at the school would be at risk. Meanwhile Logan calls X-23; who's on a San Francisco pier, looking for someone. Wolverine tells her to come back, she says that "They'll" find her, and that she tried to fit in at the school, but it didn't work. Logan tells her that she didn't try, and he wants her to drop the alien costume, and the growling. She tosses the cellphone into the water.

Two weeks later Emma discovers Jay outside her office, his wings are missing, and he's covered with blood. His torso is bandaged, and there are pads where the wings had been. He looks dead.

[Hi-Fi]

What X-Men appear in this issue, besides Emma and Beast?

[Hi-Fi]

Thanks for the summary, midnite.

[Brian M.]

Yea thanks for the summary.

[Christopher O]

Well, I haven't enjoyed a single DeFillipis and Weir issue as much as I did this one, so I guess that's a plus.

[Faded]

I'll have to be the first one to speak negatively of the issue.

I thought it was a mess. I understand the concept of it being frantic, but I don't feel like it translated well into a comic book issue.

Initially I was excited about the art, but felt the adult men were the only ones consistently well drawn.

I liked the "Kevin/Laurie" scene, but that was pretty much it.

Must say I was glad I didn't buy it.

[Beast]

Looks like Indra kept his powers. The purple kid with the gem/dot on his forehead. Also looks like Anole was another one who kept his powers. Someone who looks like Wolf Cub goes running by shouting 'Normal Again! Normal Again' so we can add him to the depowered list. Shame really, I liked Wolf Cub. :(

[Shadow Crawler]

Do we know yet if Loa keeps her powers? I thought she should have gotten more panel time.

[MaryJane19]

To Quote a famous philosopher "What the #%@#$!!"

Okay maybe that was overstating. Perhaps a little too disappointing to me. Structure much like with D and W was accused of was non-existant. Even with the hectic atmosphere of the scene it doesnt look like K and Y attempted to control the scene. All right we see blood for the first time in a long time. Thats good though. Though is it just me or does it seem like Jay Guthrie attempted suicide. Clipping the wings seems manic, while the injuries seem self-inflicted. But how the bloody heck could I tell from the art. Thougth the art was "Good" while I try to say that with a straight Face. I am reminded of the art on "The day after" and am glad we have brooks instead of green.

It was a decent issue.

[Paploo the Ewok]

I like that the Cuckoos still have their powers, as evidenced by helping Emma, and not liking all the loud thoughts. Here's hoping they continue to appear....
I don't like the idea fo 6 ot 7 students, and 30 [the number give by Emma] sounds much better. I hope they don't all leave the school or meet unfortunate accidents like Jay though [who I hope will be able to heal]

[Beast]

To Quote a famous philosopher "What the #%@#$!!"

Okay maybe that was overstating. Perhaps a little too disappointing to me. Structure much like with D and W was accused of was non-existant. Even with the hectic atmosphere of the scene it doesnt look like K and Y attempted to control the scene. All right we see blood for the first time in a long time. Thats good though. Though is it just me or does it seem like Jay Guthrie attempted suicide. Clipping the wings seems manic, while the injuries seem self-inflicted. But how the bloody heck could I tell from the art. Thougth the art was "Good" while I try to say that with a straight Face. I am reminded of the art on "The day after" and am glad we have brooks instead of green.

It was a decent issue.
The injuries seem self inflicted? The hell? If they were hacked off and you could see the stumps of the bones and such, I could see you coming to that conclusion. But he had them removed, with bandages put over the wounds. There is no way that those look self inflicted at all. And he certainly wasn't in a manic state prior to that.

[MaryJane19]

hmmm, interesting you can tell that since he only spoke how many words before he got wasted.

[Volk1]

I mean...they could have at least kept Tag......

[fishtaco]

Not bad. I'm upset about Dani loosing her powers, and I hate Emma even more now because of her getting rid of Dani. Hopefully, Chris can put her in the supporting cast with Forge in Uncanny X-Men, like back in 2000. I'm glad the amount of students has turned down, but I still want less. I want there to be just 6-10 students. No more than that. And NO HELLIONS at Xavier's. That's such a dumb idea.

Also, I am really, really glad that Chris and Craig toned down the X-23 usage in the book. All these people just assumed the book was going to be just X-23, but it's not. She was hardly in the issue! I still look forward to seeing her in the title, and William Stryker looks great.

Great art, too. Mark Brooks is great.

8/10

[Midnite]

I'm thinking that we should get a more accurate headcount next issue when most of the depowered are gone.

[Tag06]

Are there 4 Cuckoos or just 3 again?

[Beast]

Are there 4 Cuckoos or just 3 again?
Just the three, they're even referred to as 'Three-In-One'. :)

[MaryJane19]

Hmmm, if they kick out dani, are they going to kick out ever non mutant. What if somehow they get their powers back? Its possible, and not unheard of. I personally think decimation is not a permanent thing.

I will say this about Brooks is that his art is alot more detailed than the previous artists.

[Beast]

Hmmm, if they kick out dani, are they going to kick out ever non mutant. What if somehow they get their powers back? Its possible, and not unheard of. I personally think decimation is not a permanent thing.

I will say this about Brooks is that his art is alot more detailed than the previous artists.
Yes, all the non-mutants are being sent home. This was shown in House of M: The Day After. And for the moment, it is a permanent thing. The mutant gene isn't just supressed in those that lost their powers, it is gone. It no longer exists. And Quesada seems fairly obsessed with keeping it that way.

[DarkCrisis]

I didn;t get the X-23 thing. When did she suddenly start acting that way? Talking etc....?

[Beast]

I didn;t get the X-23 thing. When did she suddenly start acting that way? Talking etc....?
They were saying that the growling and such was only an act. She's still head strong and feral, but a lot of it was just her trying to be intimidating it seems. I think it's something that will be explained in X-23's second mini when it comes out. :)

[Shadow Crawler]

What. They're sending ALL of the depowered mutants home? Even Sofia? Does this mean that the current relationships really aren't that important to the run afterall? Kind of sucky...

[Beast]

What. They're sending ALL of the depowered mutants home? Even Sofia? Does this mean that the current relationships really aren't that important to the run afterall? Kind of sucky...
It seems that most of them are going home. But a number of them do live in New York, so they could quite easily still appear in the book. :)

[Jake V]

What. They're sending ALL of the depowered mutants home? Even Sofia? Does this mean that the current relationships really aren't that important to the run afterall? Kind of sucky...
Can you think of a reason why they'd keep a bunch of baseline humans around in a school that teaches mutants how to develop their powers?

[Shadow Crawler]

It seems that most of them are going home. But a number of them do live in New York, so they could quite easily still appear in the book. :)
I see. That makes sense.

Can you think of a reason why they'd keep a bunch of baseline humans around in a school that teaches mutants how to develop their powers?
Umm... because the currently established relationships are supposed to still be important to the book? And besides, it wouldn't have to be a bunch of of them sticking around, since the only established relationships are between characters of the main cast (before the revamp).

[Jake V]

Umm... because the currently established relationships are supposed to still be important to the book? And besides, it wouldn't have to be a bunch of of them sticking around, since the only established relationships are between characters of the main cast (before the revamp).
So the school should keep the kids around because they're friends?

[Shadow Crawler]

So the school should keep the kids around because they're friends?
Hell yeah they should be kept around because they're friends! Besides, it's not so much a school anymore. Atleast that's what I thought after reading the "school's out forever" line in one of the Craig Kyle and Chris Yost interviews at Newsarama. Also, they're more like a FAMILY than just friends. =/

[MaryJane19]

Yes, all the non-mutants are being sent home. This was shown in House of M: The Day After. And for the moment, it is a permanent thing. The mutant gene isn't just supressed in those that lost their powers, it is gone. It no longer exists. And Quesada seems fairly obsessed with keeping it that way.

Look around you beast, the entire marvel U was built on defying logic for profit sake. Permanent I shall be here in a few months, and we'll see who is right.

[Sandoz]

It would certainly suck for Sofia to be sent back to her father, since he clearly doesn't want anything to do with her. Even if she's forced to leave, I'd like some kind of happy end for her.

[MaryJane19]

I like sofia, David, and even though Kev aint on a team I am hoping he stays as support like Jay. Too bad we see the school falling apart, and not one writer knows what to do about it.

Its frustating for a fan like me.

[Beast]

I like sofia, David, and even though Kev aint on a team I am hoping he stays as support like Jay. Too bad we see the school falling apart, and not one writer knows what to do about it.

Its frustating for a fan like me.
What do you mean, not one writer knows what to do about it? The writers are the one that are having the school change this radically. As for Jay, I have a feeling he'll likely go home with Melody. And Kevin may leave, considering what he did to Laurie.

[Shadow Crawler]

I would certainly be happy if Kevin left. He should have known to not even risk what he did to Laurie.

[Beast]

I would certainly be happy if Kevin left. He should have known to not even risk what he did to Laurie.
Yeah, what a twit. He should have noted that some people still had their powers. :p

[LoneWolf21]

Actually, the odd thing is, when Kevin SHOULD have noticed right away when he was holding the _wooden_ door of the hallway. His powers should have immediately kicked in and started to eat away the wood in the door.

Curious.

And I doubt the X-Men would let him leave. In the envirorment mtants currently find themselves in? They'd be sending him off to die.

[Beast]

Actually, the odd thing is, when Kevin SHOULD have noticed right away when he was holding the _wooden_ door of the hallway. His powers should have immediately kicked in and started to eat away the wood in the door.

Curious.

And I doubt the X-Men would let him leave. In the envirorment mtants currently find themselves in? They'd be sending him off to die.
Maybe it's not actually wood, it just has a wood grain pattern on it. Or it's been treated with a sealent that makes the wood easier to clean, therefor giving it a surface barrier of protection against his powers? There, I Marvel No-Prized myself. Booyah. :)

[LoneWolf21]

Well Mark Brooks ended up answering that question over at ComiX-Fan


The reason for him not wearing gloves and short sleeves is that he just woke up and only expected to stick his head out the door to see what was going on. next thing he knew, he's being drawn into the goings-on of the mansion and forgot about his gloves. As for the floor and walls, if you've ever been inside a house with wood walls or hardwood floors you'll notice a coating of urethane or finish so Kevin wouldn't actually come directly in contact with the wood, only the wood finish which is usually artificially made. If it was carpet, carpet is normally made out of polyester or synthetic fiber so his power wouldn't work there either. I'm detail freak so inconsistencies like that bother the hell out of me too. I like to make sure I cover all my bases with each panel I draw.

[Beast]

Well Mark Brooks ended up answering that question over at ComiX-Fan
He happen to give a list of the depowered over there? :)

[Atomic Mongoose]

It would certainly suck for Sofia to be sent back to her father, since he clearly doesn't want anything to do with her. Even if she's forced to leave, I'd like some kind of happy end for her.

Sofia probably won't be sent home to her jackass dad. Back in the New Mutants vol.2, she was adopted by her dad's ex-butler. I'm pretty sure it was made official when they gave Sofia a hyphenated last name? I'll have to double-check.

[Sean Whitmore]

I really liked this more than I expected to. No offense to the previous team, but I may start actually collecting this book now.

The previous New Mutants either bugged me or bored me, so I'll be glad to see most of them leave. As for the new team: I love Hellion and Cessily, I like Rock Guy and Goldenrod, I'm intrigued by Dust and X-23, and I hate Noriko. So not bad at all. I also hope Jay sticks around, since between his healing blood and Goldenrod he should be able to get his wings back.

I have mixed feelings about X-23's little retcon. On the one hand, it seems a bit too territorial to "reclaim" her from Claremont like that. On the other hand, I thought CC's X-23 was a pain in the ass, so maybe something good can come from scrapping it.


SEAN

[Beast]

I don't think it was territorial at all. It was just trying to explain the duality of the character without tossing either version in the toilet. Remember that when CC first started writing her, it was before she'd been firmly established personality wise. The retcon that she knew Logan before the issue where she appears seems to be a bit much though. Especially since it paints Logan as a liar and deciever about X-23. But I assume they did this because the next X-23 mini will include Logan. Joy. :p

[Sean Whitmore]

I don't think it was territorial at all. It was just trying to explain the duality of the character without tossing either version in the toilet.


Well, it may toss CC's version in the toilet, but it's too early to tell. We know that some of her time with the X-Men was an act (the growling and the Fang costume), and Logan accused her of not really trying, so we don't know if everything about her time there was a lie or if her true self peeked out at some point.

My guess? Her friendship/admiration for Psylocke was genuine. :)


SEAN

[Mark brooks]

Maybe it's not actually wood, it just has a wood grain pattern on it. Or it's been treated with a sealent that makes the wood easier to clean, therefor giving it a surface barrier of protection against his powers? There, I Marvel No-Prized myself. Booyah. :)

Excellent guess, No Prize for you!

[Beast]

Excellent guess, No Prize for you!
Cool, welcome to the boards Mr. Brooks. Now explain why Logan lied about the whole X-23 business. :D

And was that supposed to be Wolf Cub who ran by shouting: "Normal again!"?

[Sean Whitmore]

Good, now explain why Logan lied about the whole X-23 business. :D


Lying makes Logan feel big. He can't help it. :)


SEAN

[Beast]

Lying makes Logan feel big. He can't help it. :)


SEAN
Man, Logan's a huge jerk! I hope he ends up forgetting everythng he remembers. :p

Oh, and Mr. Brooks... that's for the ass kicking scene of Beast leaping through the window to save Melody. :D

[Mariah]

I was really hoping that Sofia and Jay would be able to keep their powers and still be on the team. Sigh, all my favorites are pretty much off the book, just as it starts to get interesting, they send the ones i like away.

B

[Cayman]

Was X-23 talking about the NYX kids when she said "I miss them"?

Cay

[Absolut_Fresh]

damn they werent kidding about giving these kids hell, were they?

overall, i thoroughly enjoyed the issue. i was riddled with anxiety as i read the fast paced issue. i really felt the confusion and panic from the situation. i really liked the desperation Emma displayed, i think the writers acheived a very hard task...humanizing her.

i have to say, i was one of the biggest protestors of the creative change, but all in all it looks like this might be the best out of the post HoM titles.

poor Icky :(

[Ryan K]

Eh. It was OK. Everything's too frantic (deservedly) for me to get a real feel for the new creative team.

I do have issue with the way Emma treated Dani. She should still be welcome at the school. She's a capable teacher. A capable leader. And she still has the experience of having lived her life as a mutant. Now if staying there is too painful for Dani, then I can understand her leaving, but otherwise . . .

[brian2322]

i thought it was a pretty good issue, but in HOM Sohpia fell unconsicous when she lost her powers but she doesnt seem to have lost them in this, even though she is on the depowered list

[Dizzy D]

Eh. It was OK. Everything's too frantic (deservedly) for me to get a real feel for the new creative team.

I do have issue with the way Emma treated Dani. She should still be welcome at the school. She's a capable teacher. A capable leader. And she still has the experience of having lived her life as a mutant. Now if staying there is too painful for Dani, then I can understand her leaving, but otherwise . . .

And she's also Josh's guardian and he remains at the school. Another reason for her to stay.

[Sean Whitmore]

Dani may have been treated a little brusquely, but Emma truly has a point. The end of this issue and Day After demonstrates that the mansion has changed from a perennial possible target to a DEFINITE target.

And it's not so much a matter of whether or not she can defend herself without powers (which she can), it's that sending her away from the big mutie meeting place allows her to fly under the radar altogether.


SEAN

[MaryJane19]

well there are a few things I firmly, believe.

1. This is a temporary thing.
2. David aint coming back as a full time student powers or not. Probably as a on and off character.
3. Even if this werent temporary I think Danielle will be out trying to reconcile with Rahne.

[Stagier]

Why was Dani fired but Bobby is still at the school? Icarus better have his wings grow back!
Overall, Art was good, i wish some of the little things matched up, like Emma waking up standing and what not, but will have to wait and see how the first arc ends.
at least they didn't renumber the book with #1.

[Cayman]

Why was Dani fired but Bobby is still at the school? Icarus better have his wings grow back!
Overall, Art was good, i wish some of the little things matched up, like Emma waking up standing and what not, but will have to wait and see how the first arc ends.
at least they didn't renumber the book with #1.

Bobby's an X-Men but Dani's mainly a teacher, I suppose.

Cay

[Stagier]

Powerless Cheyenne Dani could whoop powerless business student / man-clown Bobby any day.
I wonder since Claremont wants Dani, then would she still be at the school? or some other hideout in ny......

Back to the book, I figure that the old man in teh beginning was GLMK guy, what's his name? anyways, any one know who "glowing jesus was?"

[milly3cat]

The only reason was the new writing team didn't want her in the book.

The cuckoo's have made up with emma a long time ago, so to have them figting again is going backwards i think.

[xmanson]

Really didn't enjoy this. It seemed to jump scenes too fast, the beggining doesn't really fit whith what was shown in House of M (what a surprise), and the characters left are not that interesting. The supposed retcon of the X-23 thing is alson another thing that bothered me. And the end came out of nowhere - did he leave the mansion to live somewhere else? He just disappeared? No build up, no pay off.

Well, seems I'll keep not reading this.

And the art was so-so... nothing bad about it, just generic stuff.

[countryfan2004]

I'm still unsure of what to think of it. There was hardly any dialogue, and that really showed the chaos going on right now. I wasn't big on the art. What a cliffhanger!!! I'm thinking Paige will deal with Melody and Jay in the next issue, arguing with Emma and Scott on whether or not they should go home, which Paige will probably want them to stay and Emma want them to go home.

[Black Hole]

I was prepared not to like this. But it wasn't that bad.

Emma firing Dani was ridiculous. As another poster mentioned, Dani is a Cheyenne warrior, and she can kick but with the best of them. They really need help and she kicks out a willing and capable ally?? This was just a very badly written way to get Dani out of the book. It would have been cool to see her try, and then have Cyclops step in and say "Hell no." But that's too much for him, I guess.

I think they should have checked each kid's situation before they just kicked them out. Those that were "outed" and might be in danger back home should have been allowed to stay. Although, I guess we see over in HOM: The Day After that there is even more danger to be had at the school.

Additionally, with Kevin, it looked like he grabbed the doorknob of the door anyway, so he wouldn't have known that his power was still on.

X-23 is boring me already. But I plan on sticking around for the first arc and giving the creators a chance to change my mind.

The cover definitely kicked ass. I love that new logo.

As for the kids that are left. I liked all of the academy X kids, some more than others, and to be honest, Santo was one of my least favorites, as he was kind of Julian's lackey. But he definitely had personality. I wish they would have kept Sofia and David. Curses!

[StarsAndGarters]

The only possible thing I could find to knock was the new logo on the cover. There was so much action and carnage and real trauma. Well done!

[Shadow Crawler]

The only possible thing I could find to knock was the new logo on the cover. There was so much action and carnage and real trauma. Well done!
Surprisingly, I agree. I was expecting to dislike pretty much all of it. I actually really felt for Cessily and Laurie. Great issue. Well done, Craig and Chris.

[Jack Flash]

Was that Anole in the background of the chaos scene? If so it looks like he kept his mutation!!!!!!!! wahoo! Here's hoping that the new team uses him!

[milly3cat]

Well, a boy with green skin I think it's safe it's him. :)

The girl that says "I can't see" is that preview ????? :confused:

The writers got red of all black or brown skinned characters. :eek: .David, Dani Sofie, Karma, etc... don't think that's right

[Faded]

The creators stopped by at ComiX-Fan and that is indeed Preview (Jessie Vale) but that was not Victor. His fate will be known next issue IIRC.

[Hi-Fi]

The creators stopped by at ComiX-Fan and that is indeed Preview (Jessie Vale) but that was not Victor. His fate will be known next issue IIRC.
Can you post the link, please, Faded? :)

[Cayman]

Who is this Anole of whom you speak.

Cay

[Hi-Fi]

Who is this Anole of whom you speak.

Cay

I think it's Victor, the green kid.

[Jack Flash]

Anole - Victor Borowski - the gay student from Northstar's squad that has camoflage powers.

[Cayman]

Neat, I've never seen him.

Cay

[Beast]

Spoiler for New X-Men #21:
Check the preview scans over at UncannyXmen.Net. Anole still has his powers.

[Gaveedra 6]

Spoiler for New X-Men #21:
Check the preview scans over at UncannyXmen.Net. Anole still has his powers.
That scene from the preview pages with Anole may be a flashback, but it really does look like him in issue #20 during the big chaos shot. Green skin with a lizardy mohawk. Of course it could be someone else, mistakenly drawn to look like Victor. But it got my hopes up.

Another thing-
Those preview pages of issue 21's pencils look really great. I feel like the inking may be why it looks so generic. The coloring is really brash as well. I hope it improves as the artists keep on the book.

[Beast]

That scene from the preview pages with Anole may be a flashback, but it really does look like him in issue #20 during the big chaos shot. Green skin with a lizardy mohawk. Of course it could be someone else, mistakenly drawn to look like Victor. But it got my hopes up.

Another thing-
Those preview pages of issue 21's pencils look really great. I feel like the inking may be why it looks so generic. The coloring is really brash as well. I hope it improves as the artists keep on the book.
Yeah, but remember two weeks pass between the depowering and Josh showing up with his wings cut off. So he still has his powers after the depowering and before Josh's wings are cut off. :)

[Faded]

Can you post the link, please, Faded? :)

I think it may have been in a chat, but I'll see if they posted the info at their thread as well.

[Hi-Fi]

I think it may have been in a chat, but I'll see if they posted the info at their thread as well.

Oh, that's ok. I tried to look un the x-fan forum, but it's really messy there, i couldn't find it. Thanks anyway. :)

[milly3cat]

Looks like Pixie keeped her powers. :)

It's funny but the new team said " no large body of students " but it was the very thing that made the issue good.

Extra's and back ground charaters have great value in comics I think.

[J.mendoza]

Another thing-
Those preview pages of issue 21's pencils look really great. I feel like the inking may be why it looks so generic. The coloring is really brash as well. I hope it improves as the artists keep on the book.

I really feel the need to defend myself as i have had to do on other forums. Usually i wouldn't need to as i always let my work speak for it'self but i feel that the way the issue printed prevents that from happening. :(

Visual Proof of bad printing! (http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1344759#post1344759)

Just scroll down until you see it.

Follow the link as i give visual examples(The original B&W art, as well as the colored jpegs) and you will see that issue 20 printed heavy and ugly. :evilangry Out of my hands.

I Just felt that i needed to defend my work.

[LoneWolf21]

Mr.Mendoza,

Speaking for myself, I had no problem with the coloring or the inking in the issue, I thought you did a fine job, really. Although when I clicked on the link, I couldn't see the pictures ( I got a bunch of those pesky red X boxes), I will take your word on the printing errors.

[Beast]

I really feel the need to defend myself as i have had to do on other forums. Usually i wouldn't need to as i always let my work speak for it'self but i feel that the way the issue printed prevents that from happening. :(

Visual Proof of bad printing! (http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1344759#post1344759)

Just scroll down until you see it.

Follow the link as i give visual examples(The original B&W art, as well as the colored jpegs) and you will see that issue 20 printed heavy and ugly. :evilangry Out of my hands.

I Just felt that i needed to defend my work.
Welcome to the forums, Mr. Mendoza. Frankly I think the heavy inking, while it was an admitted error of printing the book, actually worked really well for the very dark tone of the book. It made everything a bit heavier and more moody. So I don't really see anything really wrong with it.

[Beast]

Mr.Mendoza,

Speaking for myself, I had no problem with the coloring in the issue, I thought you did a fine job, really. Although when I clicked on the link, I couldn't see the pictures ( I got a bunch of those pesky red X boxes), I will take your word on the printing errors.
Try the links instead, they work for me. :)

http://photos1.blogger.com/hello/127/2748/1024/new%20xmen%20%2320%20pg.14-b.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/img/127/2748/1024/NXM020003.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/hello/127/2748/1024/new%20xmen%20%2320%20pg.3-c.0.jpg

[LoneWolf21]

Sorry Beast, they're still not working for me.

[Beast]

Sorry Beast, they're still not working for me.
Toss an extra space on the end of them before hitting enter?

[J.mendoza]

Thanks guys! I really just got a bit frustrated with some of the responses that was bieng thrown my way.

That's wierd that all you see are red x's i just clicked on the original link it is shows up for me. When you click on the links provided by beast click on the lower right corner and you will see a larger sized version.

[Shadow Crawler]

Thanks guys! I really just got a bit frustrated with some of the responses that was bieng thrown my way.

That's wierd that all you see are red x's i just clicked on the original link it is shows up for me. When you click on the links provided by beast click on the lower right corner and you will see a larger sized version.
Doesn't work for people using browsers like Firefox.

[J.mendoza]

Hope the mods don't mind but i will just post them here.

Here is a part of a page that printed really heavy and ugly.The B&W originlas always shows what gets lost or muddied up when a print job comes out off. As you will see alot of the delicate line work and detail get totally mucked up.

http://photos1.blogger.com/hello/127/2748/1024/new%20xmen%20%2320%20pg.14-b.jpg

http://photos1.blogger.com/hello/127/2748/1024/new%20xmen%20%2320%20pg.3-c.0.jpg

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/127/2748/1024/NXM020003.jpg

[steve2275]

they look fine to me
just drag the url into the add bar

[J.mendoza]

;) Must be stealthy.

[Shadow Crawler]

Oh by the way if you go to my blog i have just put up a sneak of the New X-men 23 cover. Shhhh.... It's a secret. :)

Jaime Mendiza's BLOG (http://tracethis.blogspot.com/)
Haha that cover rules. When they catch X-23, they should knock her down and start kicking her. =/

[steve2275]

Oh by the way if you go to my blog i have just put up a sneak of the New X-men 23 cover. Shhhh.... It's a secret. :)

Jaime Mendiza's BLOG (http://tracethis.blogspot.com/)
chasing rogue is MY comment

[Mark brooks]

chasing rogue is MY comment

yeah, that was the point of the cover. It's an homage to that old X-Men cover. "Welcome to the New X-Men, X-23. Hope you survive the experience!"

[StarsAndGarters]

yeah, that was the point of the cover. It's an homage to that old X-Men cover. "Welcome to the New X-Men, X-23. Hope you survive the experience!"Woo hoo! I love it. :D

[fishtaco]

Mr. Brooks/Mr. Mendoza,

Thanks for the great art on this issue. You make a great team. Those panels all looked sharp. Good stuff! :)

[Tre Styles]

Just got my copy yesterday. It's solid. A very strong start. I couldn't help to feel for the kids. Also caught the "Diablo" poster in the back of Julian's room? Slick way to promote your art, Mark. Oh I loved all the reactions to the loss of powers, and Santo's reaction was the funniest part of a very serious issue. And then the end, with Jay was like....whoa. Even though I don't agree with all of what Decimation is about, the stories that I have just finished reading are fantastic. And I'll be on board for awhile if this keeps up. Now I have to go read Deadly Genesis, Day After, and X-Men 177....(I get my comics every 2 weeks. lol....) But good job. You remained faithful to the characters, so I'm looking forward to seeing where this is going. :cool:

[aelio]

I bought this issue because I've wanted to get into New X-men for a while, and I happened to have a little extra change when this issue came out. I haven't read an issue of New X/Academy yet, although I had read and enjoyed D&W's New Mutants. I was worried that I wouldn't like this as much as what I had read of D&W, but I really dug this new team's first issue.

I was worried that Yost and Kyle would make this title "X-23 and her X-friends," but so far they haven't, and I am grateful. The only down side this issue is that it was so much fun that I have to keep reading the book. I loved the art and story, so I am apparently out another 2.99 each month. Curse youse, curse youse all!!

[tunasammiches]

Okay, I guess the fans got what they wanted and instead of the book being geared to teenage character development, now it's gonna be like the rest of comics where drama can only be understood with blood and violence. I, for one, thought it made sense that the stories were a little more "OC"-ish, because the book is filled with kids. But people only seem to understand, and prefer comics, if it's filled with "heroes" rather than people.

But a few questions:

WHO exactly is it that X 23 misses in San Francisco??? Who was she talking about?

Also, I thought Wither couldn't wear regular clothes and that he had to wear synthetic fibers. Why is he in cotton clothing? And sleeping in a regular bed?

I hope they at leasst wrap up the stories of the New Mutants kids, even if they aren't going to be at the school anymore. Just cause the book got new writers, it shouldn't discount the stories already built around the old cast. Leaving it open ended and unfinished is kind of irresponsible IMO. And it's a sign of using the "quick way out".

That is all.

[Sean Whitmore]

Okay, I guess the fans got what they wanted and instead of the book being geared to teenage character development, now it's gonna be like the rest of comics where drama can only be understood with blood and violence. I, for one, thought it made sense that the stories were a little more "OC"-ish, because the book is filled with kids. But people only seem to understand, and prefer comics, if it's filled with "heroes" rather than people.



Your ability to peek through the veils of time into the future astounds me. Can you tell me how Infinite Crisis ends while you're at it?


SEAN

[tunasammiches]

Your ability to peek through the veils of time into the future astounds me. Can you tell me how Infinite Crisis ends while you're at it?


SEAN

I'm not referencing the future, I'm observing what's going on now, what I've heard from the fans, the communities, and what the majority reaction seems to be now that the new writers are on board. Reading this post, and all the people that now want to invest in the book, with the new direction the writers are taking, it's all elementary. And I'm not here to pick a fight nor do i want to start a fanboy-esque argument. I'm just stating what I've observed.

[Nunzio DeFilippis]

Okay, I guess the fans got what they wanted and instead of the book being geared to teenage character development, now it's gonna be like the rest of comics where drama can only be understood with blood and violence. I, for one, thought it made sense that the stories were a little more "OC"-ish, because the book is filled with kids. But people only seem to understand, and prefer comics, if it's filled with "heroes" rather than people.

Your ability to peek through the veils of time into the future astounds me. Can you tell me how Infinite Crisis ends while you're at it?

I'm not referencing the future, I'm observing what's going on now, what I've heard from the fans, the communities, and what the majority reaction seems to be now that the new writers are on board. Reading this post, and all the people that now want to invest in the book, with the new direction the writers are taking, it's all elementary. And I'm not here to pick a fight nor do i want to start a fanboy-esque argument. I'm just stating what I've observed.

You shouldn't be made to feel defensive. It's not about seeing the future, it's about what Craig Kyle and Chris Yost said.

Or more specifically, what assistant editor Nick Lowe said: "If the New X-Men were like Dawson's Creek, now it's Battle Royale."

I'm not saying the heavy action is a bad thing. Even as the replaced writer, I'm betting it's what more fans want. But it's entirely fair for someone to assume the tone of the book has changed - in fact, that's what Marvel has said, very clearly.

[J.mendoza]

Mr. Brooks/Mr. Mendoza,

Thanks for the great art on this issue. You make a great team. Those panels all looked sharp. Good stuff! :)

Thanks alot Fishtaco and ever one else for all the support! :D

Also i have updated my website witha new cover gallery, it features alot of the covers that Mr Brooks and myslef i have worked on over the last 2 years. As well as some others that i have done.

There is also a New X-men Gallery(all full color) , for those that miss it or for those it want to rediscover you favorite pages from Issue 20.

Just follow the links on the front page.Brooks/Mendoza Cover Gallery & New X-men Art Gallery! (http://tracethis.blogspot.com/)

[fishtaco]

Thanks alot Fishtaco and ever one else for all the support! :D

Also i have updated my website witha new cover gallery, it features alot of the covers that Mr Brooks and myslef i have worked on over the last 2 years. As well as some others that i have done.

There is also a New X-men Gallery(all full color) , for those that miss it or for those it want to rediscover you favorite pages from Issue 20.

Just follow the links on the front page.Brooks/Mendoza Cover Gallery & New X-men Art Gallery! (http://tracethis.blogspot.com/)Those all look great. By the way, the cover with all the various X-villains surrounding the New Mutants is one of the best I've seen in a long time. Magneto, Dark Phoenix, Onslaught, Skullbuster, Crimson Commando, Prism, Stonewall, Mystique, Spiral, Deadpool, Juggernaut, Vanisher, Adversary, Harpoon, Vertigo, Scalphunter, Blob, and Nimrod!!! Very cool cover.

[tunasammiches]

You shouldn't be made to feel defensive. It's not about seeing the future, it's about what Craig Kyle and Chris Yost said.

Or more specifically, what assistant editor Nick Lowe said: "If the New X-Men were like Dawson's Creek, now it's Battle Royale."

I'm not saying the heavy action is a bad thing. Even as the replaced writer, I'm betting it's what more fans want. But it's entirely fair for someone to assume the tone of the book has changed - in fact, that's what Marvel has said, very clearly.

My thoughts exactly. :rolleyes: