New Excalibur #1

[The Dosadi Experiment]

This title came out today.

I have to say I liked it, I liked it a lot. It's fast-paced, with plenty of character moments, establishes all that needs to be established, and has some decent artwork.

However it did have its flaws.The artwork, personally I think it's a bit too dark. There is colour here and there, but overall I get the impression that the aim is to be a bit grim and gritty, film noir combined with contemporary fashion ideals. The visual elements of nostalgia seem almost solely there to be mocked and parodied.

I really liked Dazzler, this new incarnation of hers is my favorite so far, I hope it sticks.

:D

The comic works, and I'm curious to see how it's going to develop itself down the line.

[Flight]

Spoil us for the entire issue.

[Ivan Isaacs]

RE: Letter column:

Since when is Cecilia Reyes considered dead? I always thought she survived Neverland.

[Hi-Fi]

RE: Letter column:

Since when is Cecilia Reyes considered dead? I always thought she survived Neverland.

They said she's dead?? For sure??

[Beast]

The Editors have stated for a long time that she's dead.
They told CC this on several occassions when he wanted to use her.

[Novaya Havoc]

RE: Letter column:

Since when is Cecilia Reyes considered dead? I always thought she survived Neverland.

RE: Letter column:

Since when is it appropriate to address a question with Sage/Dazzler lesbo-erotica wishes?

Blah.

I'll give my thoughts on the issue later.

EDIT:
I'll appease everyone with a spoiler summary:

OMG HOW DO I DO SPOILERS ON THIS FREAKING SITE?! I just made the text white. Sorry, people.


The first six pages are in online issues, and are easily the best part of the issue. Go look for them.

Picking up, Dazzler goes: "I'm really sorry, man, I didn't know it was you!" and then Angel attacks her, knocking her into a wall (Dazzler using the term "man" is another matter). He comes after her with a blade, she fights him off, and breaks for it with the random guy.

Cyclops nails her bike, and Beast carries her across the air. Dazzler does a "solid photon blast" into the wall, catapaulting her into Beast. Then Jean Grey gets a hold of Dazzler and causes her to have a heart attack.

Next we see Brian by the old Excal base and he and Psylocke re-unite. Psylocke brought Kurt, Kitty, and Rae -- you know -- to tie in old Excalibur. No one knows what happened to Meggan.

Nocturne and Juggs are with. Nocturne had a dream remembering the events of the last Uncanny arc, I'm guessing. I didn't read it because, you know, I don't like Claremont.

Pete Wisdom interrupts and needs them to come to London to help investigate Dazzler's murder. Plot stretch goes HERE.

They see Dazzler. And the guy who was frozen. But then Iceman lost his powers, so it can't be Iceman that did that. Talk.

Rae notices Dazzler has brain activity. The group jumpstart her heart and rush her to a hospital. Kurt ports in with Nocturne and Juggs, and Juggs is freaking out about Dazzler and insists on "protecting" her.

Shameless Claremont self-love for his bad Dazzler plots goes HERE.

Nocturne is having weird mental feelings.

Frozen guy has a link to Courtney Ross, another old Claremont thing. Rae, Pete, Kitty, and Brian investigate. Some love triangle about Courtney-Brian-Meggan goes here. Pete tries to hit on Kitty, but she isn't having it.

The Evil X-Men are now poised to Attack. Evil Jean is inside the hospital. Evil Beast and Jean have it out for Dazzler specifically. Evil Xavier mind-spikes Nocturne from afar. Last page shows evil Xavier.


The letters page tries to pimp Dazzler's haircut as being a cool part of New Excal. With two exclamation points, to boot, because pink hair is so awesome!! It's great!! Dazzler has a new haircut!!

They know everyone hates it, so please stop with the self-deluded nonsense.

Oh, and the aforementioned "I'm pulling for a Sage/Dazzler relationship myself. Va va va voom!" from the editor.

Va va va voom, indeed.

-B

[Beast]

RE: Letter column:

Since when is it appropriate to address a question with Sage/Dazzler lesbo-erotica wishes?

Blah.

I'll give my thoughts on the issue later.
Please tell me you're not serious? God damn I hate those two idiots doing the letters column. :(

[Novaya Havoc]

Please tell me you're not serious? God damn I hate those two idiots doing the letters column. :(

Nope, quite true. And people don't listen when I say Marvel hates their women.

EDIT: Who specifically writes them, anyway?

[Beast]

Nope, quite true. And people don't listen when I say Marvel hates their women.

EDIT: Who specifically writes them, anyway?
Actually I have no problem with Dazzler's makeover. And from what you described, the issue sounds like it kicks ass. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. :)

[Hi-Fi]

I hated Dazzler's new look.

[Ivan Isaacs]

Since when is it appropriate to address a question with Sage/Dazzler lesbo-erotica wishes?

Yeah... THAT was funny. :rolleyes:

The Editors have stated for a long time that she's dead.
They told CC this on several occassions when he wanted to use her.

Thanks.
DAMN! She clearly was on the side of the survivors. :mad:

Please tell me you're not serious? God damn I hate those two idiots doing the letters column. :(

Luckily the editor (yes, only one) TRIED to be serious and answer the questions. It didn't turn into "Dumb and Dumber III".

And Dazzler's new look is cool. She looks just like this girl from the porn comic "Room Mates" (published by NBM). :D

I also liked the evil X-Men (especially the look of "Archangel").

[zulu]

I read all of "Old" Excalibur, but I really felt like including them in this issue wasted a good portion of this issue. I was very annoyed by their appearance in this issue. Oh well, hopefully that'll be the end of them hogging panel time from the actual cast members of this book. I know CC loves those particular characters, but it really was unnecessary and pointless IMHO.

Oh, and I hate Dazzler's new look. It's so 1999 (Pink-wannabe).

[Twigglet]

I don't think I'll pick this up, at this point I am burned out from appearances of Bad X-men.

[Christopher O]

Claremont's dialogue was awful, as usual, but the art was nice, the pacing was fun, and I'm actually curious about the origins of these new antagonists, so I'll be back for issue 2. Oh, and I love Dazz's new look.

[Gaveedra 6]

I think everyone looks great in this book. Great new designs for CB and those eeeevil X-Men. I'm digging the pink too. I loved Dazz's change from old to new as she slips out of her costume in the beginning. Very nice touch.

Having heroes fight evil versions of other heroes is a pretty boring concept to start this new series off with, but I'm hoping there is an interesting story behind the appearance of these eeevil imposters.

Cleremont writing Wisdom- I'm holding my breath on this one.

[The Lucky One]

Having heroes fight evil versions of other heroes is a pretty boring concept to start this new series off with, but I'm hoping there is an interesting story behind the appearance of these eeevil imposters.

Mimic finely wised up and mimicked Multiple Man. Just you wait and see.
:D

-D

[Nightcrawler]

Good issue. Looking forward to ish 2.

[Gaveedra 6]

Mimic finely wised up and mimicked Multiple Man. Just you wait and see.
:D

-D
That'd be sweet.
But if that were the case, all the eeevil X-Men should be wearing those red triangle glasses!

[The Lucky One]

That'd be sweet.
But if that were the case, all the eeevil X-Men should be wearing those red triangle glasses!

Nah... Cyclops has to wear 'em cause of the brain damage, but Mimic doesn't have that. He just likes 'em cause they're stylin'. Ooooooooh yeah!

-D

[Gaveedra 6]

Nah... Cyclops has to wear 'em cause of the brain damage, but Mimic doesn't have that. He just likes 'em cause they're stylin'. Ooooooooh yeah!

-D
Exactly! If it were Multiple Mimic, I'd hope they would all still have his ... err.. special sense of style.

[Beast]

Having heroes fight evil versions of other heroes is a pretty boring concept to start this new series off with, but I'm hoping there is an interesting story behind the appearance of these eeevil imposters.
I don't know, I really liked the way it kicked off. And I don't think they're evil imposters. They seem more like Alternate Reality counterparts that the true baddy behind things recruited. Claremont hinted that someone was behind them, and I have a feeling it may be Mad Jim Jaspers. :D

[protege]

The Editors have stated for a long time that she's dead.
They told CC this on several occassions when he wanted to use her.
So he could bring back Psylocke, and Colossus, but not her? Man, she must've realy stunk.Oh yeah, and i wanted to ask- which Nocturne is this? the one from Exiles, or another version entirely?

[Dizzy D]

Mimic finely wised up and mimicked Multiple Man. Just you wait and see.
:D

-D

I'm changing my guess from "the Prime Sentinels of Excalibur 122" to "Warwolves", they have imitated the X-men before.

I don't mind Dazzler's new look, but I don't look Nocturne's new look (especially the hair. You are not Rogue, Talia.)

[Atom_basher]

So he could bring back Psylocke, and Colossus, but not her? Man, she must've realy stunk.Oh yeah, and i wanted to ask- which Nocturne is this? the one from Exiles, or another version entirely?


Nocturne from exiles was dumped in our dimension which means yeah its her

[jadegiant77]

This was ok. I like the way the evil X-men look: I wish Bobby could download his mind into the body of the fake Iceman! Not a big pete Wisdom fan. Isn't Sage supposed to be on this team, as well?

[Beast]

Yeah, the evil X-Men look cool. It's nice that they didn't just give them weird 'Nega' versions of their old costumes. The black leather and latex look with the other additions really make them look sinister. I'm glad that evil Beast and Jean got a lot of focus also, considering we don't see that version of Beast or Jean that often. :)

[jadegiant77]

RE: Letter column:

Since when is it appropriate to address a question with Sage/Dazzler lesbo-erotica wishes?

The letters page tries to pimp Dazzler's haircut as being a cool part of New Excal. With two exclamation points, to boot, because pink hair is so awesome!! It's great!! Dazzler has a new haircut!!

They know everyone hates it, so please stop with the self-deluded nonsense.

Oh, and the aforementioned "I'm pulling for a Sage/Dazzler relationship myself. Va va va voom!" from the editor.

Va va va voom, indeed.

-B

That hairdo does blow. As for the lesbian thing--it was a joke--geez. lighten up. But then again this is a Rated A book, for all ages, so the joke was probably a little out of line.

[Beast]

That hairdo does blow. As for the lesbian thing--it was a joke--geez. lighten up. But then again this is a Rated A book, for all ages, so the joke was probably a little out of line.
It's more the fact that we're tired of the chucklehead editors being idiots in every letter column they do. :)

[Doom Hammer]

Being someone who has been very critical of Chris Claremont lately, I can safely say...

(Dramatic pause)...

...This issue rocked!

Alison's situation intrigued me from the first page, and I don't personally mind her new look. She was quite a badass, fending for herself against the sleazy manager and then...A TEAM OF EVIL X-MEN! I have a feeling they might end up being a bunch of lame-asses who are soon forgotted, but right now, they're pretty cool.

CC FINALLY got ahold of his narration boxes/ thought balloons. He's toned it down to an acceptable level, and done away with the mindless chatter. Just plain ol' introspective narration in the Claremont fashion.

The team chemistry was great, too. All the characters were themselves, and they all play a part.

With this and the Day After issue, I'm happy to regain my faith in Claremont's writing. He DOES still have it! Yay for X-Men fans!

[Novaya Havoc]

That hairdo does blow. As for the lesbian thing--it was a joke--geez. lighten up. But then again this is a Rated A book, for all ages, so the joke was probably a little out of line.

I don't mean to sound like a total Womens' Studies major, because I'm very politically moderate, but comments like these just reinforce the "good ol' boys" standard in comics.

It's pathetic, and degrading to the female characters, which are usually the more popular sex. Irony.

[Beast]

Being someone who has been very critical of Chris Claremont lately, I can safely say...

(Dramatic pause)...

...This issue rocked!

Alison's situation intrigued me from the first page, and I don't personally mind her new look. She was quite a badass, fending for herself against the sleazy manager and then...A TEAM OF EVIL X-MEN! I have a feeling they might end up being a bunch of lame-asses who are soon forgotted, but right now, they're pretty cool.

CC FINALLY got ahold of his narration boxes/ thought balloons. He's toned it down to an acceptable level, and done away with the mindless chatter. Just plain ol' introspective narration in the Claremont fashion.

The team chemistry was great, too. All the characters were themselves, and they all play a part.

With this and the Day After issue, I'm happy to regain my faith in Claremont's writing. He DOES still have it! Yay for X-Men fans!
Welcome back to the club, my friend. We've missed you. :)

[Doom Hammer]

Welcome back to the club, my friend. We've missed you. :)

Heh heh, good to be back, my friend.

[protege]

Nocturne from exiles was dumped in our dimension which means yeah its her
I thought the Nocturne from Exiles was older, somehow.

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

LOVED IT!!!!

...Claremont's is getting lots of hate from fanboys nowadays, and yet I don't see this alleged mediocrity that people talk about: Maybe I'm just an old-fashioned guy, but I loves me some Claremont: His writing is like an old,cozy blanket that you never wanna get rid of...comfortable, familiar and warm.
Yes, he gets a little too explanatory with his words at times, but I would rather have that over a book that consists of splash pages and "decompressed action" and people just looking at each other back and forth...
In any case, the new Excalibur doesn't have Claremont's well-known "talkiness"...he actually has a great balance of action, character, visuals and words...I love this book already.
And check this out...the first ELEVEN PAGES of the book are basically a Dazzler solo comic.
Could Allison be the next Marvel hottie from the 70's to get a resurgence and maybe, just maybe her own book eventually?
I certainly wouldn't mind!
With Jessica Drew, Jennifer Walters, Carol's upcoming project and now this, I am a happy man...I love all those women form Marvel's past!
And I love how they are all reasserting their presence in the MU.

Anyway, I loved the book, and this is already a must-buy-every-month for me.
And this is the first X-book I will religiously get month in and month out, in 15 years.
Nothing X-men since then has caught my attention, but this is definitely for me.
Thanks to Mr.Claremont(words) and Mr. Orzechowski(letters)-who worked together on the original Spider-Woman book-for a great book...
Thanks also to Rick Ketchum and Pete Patanzis for the fantastic art!!!
Can't wait for # 2!!!!

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

Being someone who has been very critical of Chris Claremont lately, I can safely say...

(Dramatic pause)...

...This issue rocked!

Alison's situation intrigued me from the first page, and I don't personally mind her new look. She was quite a badass, fending for herself against the sleazy manager and then...A TEAM OF EVIL X-MEN! I have a feeling they might end up being a bunch of lame-asses who are soon forgotted, but right now, they're pretty cool.

CC FINALLY got ahold of his narration boxes/ thought balloons. He's toned it down to an acceptable level, and done away with the mindless chatter. Just plain ol' introspective narration in the Claremont fashion.

The team chemistry was great, too. All the characters were themselves, and they all play a part.

With this and the Day After issue, I'm happy to regain my faith in Claremont's writing. He DOES still have it! Yay for X-Men fans!


I ABSOLUTELY agree, 300 % !!!
This book is my new favorite at Marvel (until Spider-Woman # 1 comes along, of course! :D

[Bishop_Proudstar]

I hated Dazzler's new look.

Yeah..

CC should give her back her regular hair color..

I know that the new color is supposed to symbolize personal change, growth, and maturity for Allison, but all of that can be revealed "in dialogue".

[Brian Cronin]

I mentioned in X-Cres awhile that this was a real shocker, that is was so good.

I also gave a nod to the quality of the issue here (http://goodcomics.blogspot.com/2005/11/this-comic-was-surprisingly-good-new.html), along with my complaint about that horrendous Buffy reference.

-Brian

[Atomic Mongoose]

I don't mean to sound like a total Womens' Studies major, because I'm very politically moderate, but comments like these just reinforce the "good ol' boys" standard in comics.

It's pathetic, and degrading to the female characters, which are usually the more popular sex. Irony.

That's nice sweetie. Is my pie baked yet?



JKJKJKJKJKJK Soooooooooooooooooo just kidding :D

[Cayman]

It was pretty good, but I hope Marvel will give this book a stronger artist.

Definitely one of the better things I've read from Claremont in quite some time. It looks like he's excited about this title.

Cay

[fishtaco]

What a freakin kick ass start!!! Wow, this was so good! I don't mind Dazzler's new look that much, but I think she is going to go back to the long blonde hair soon. I loved the dialogue between Kitty and Pete. It was very witty. The art was okay, but the designs for the evil X-Men, and Nocturne looks real cool! I don't think that he draws Psylocke that well. She doesn't look very Asian. And I'm glad that the letters page hasn't been corrupted by those two numbskulls. I'm a little mad about Cecelia Reyes being dead, but it's not that big of a deal for me. R.I.P, Cecelia.

I agree with Beast's speculation about the evil x-men working for Mad-Jim Jaspers/Fury.

Great Claremont stuff. This book is so cool.

10/10

[Vegetarian Goat]

Everyone seems to like it. I can't wait to read it. :)

Excited.

[Novaya Havoc]

Yeah..

CC should give her back her regular hair color..

I know that the new color is supposed to symbolize personal change, growth, and maturity for Allison, but all of that can be revealed "in dialogue".

Change, maybe. Growth and maturity? Hardly. It's freakin' pink hair. On a 30 year old woman.

I give New Excal #1 a 6/10. First half = great. 2nd half = meh.

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

When has it been established she's 30?
We all know that comic book characters never age past their mid 20s, unless they are introduced as old.

And I don't have a problem with a pop singer having wildly colored hair...that has nothing to do with her emotional or her intellectual maturity, IMO.
Artists always have different rules, in terms of how they perceive the world and how they present themselves.
Dazz is a mutant and a superhero, but before that she was an artist...nothing wrong with a little self-expression, even if it's something as cliched as "weird" colored hair.

[SalazarSleaze2]

Only two things bugged me about the book: The revelation in the letters page that Cecilia is dead, and the font used for the book's logo (it looked cheap)

Everything else was fantastic: Claremont reined in his usually-verbose writing to give us a perfectly balanced story...lots of action, and excellent, spot on dialogue.
Great art, great colors, a great book!
(And trust me, I am no fan of Mr Claremont's)
But this is already part of my pull list)




Oh, and add me to the list of fans that loved seeing Allison Blaire kick ass...
Horribly underused, underrated character that's due for a comeback!
:)

[Hi-Fi]

The thing is that no woman looks good with pink hair, despite their age. Well, maybe just Natalie Portman or Scarlett Johanson, with wigs.

[Novaya Havoc]

When has it been established she's 30?
We all know that comic book characters never age past their mid 20s, unless they are introduced as old.

1. College graduate = at least 22, and this was before she started her career.
2. Sings in discos and bars = at least 21.
3. Was this age at a time when the original 5 X-Men (Cyke, Jean, Beast) were in their early-to-mid 20s. And when Kitty was 13.
4. Dated Beast. And Angel.
5. Beast >30.

Conclusion = Dazzler is at least 28, if not older. She is far, far beyond the window for "pink hair expression." And she doesn't use it in her stage acts, clearly, so it's not an "artistic expression" -- it's trying to mimic her Ultimate counterpart.

-Ben

[SalazarSleaze2]

Can't believe people are actually nitpicking over comic book characters' ages.
As if that was ever anything that had set rules.

Anyway, I also loved the pink hair...
In a medium in which people fly, shoot laser beam from their eyes and turn into green behemoths, a grown woman having pink hair is the least far-fetched, implausible thing.

[streator]

overall, it was okay. i can do without more evil x-men clones, but at least these guys have a cool design to them. ryan's art was alright, mostly his per usual. again, though, the title's logo is awful. easily the worst marvel logo i have seen in recent times. but, what's inside counts more than what's on the cover, and issue 1 was an okay read. i'll see the title through it's first arc, at least.

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

Conclusion = Dazzler is at least 28, if not older. She is far, far beyond the window for "pink hair expression."
-Ben

How do you know?
DO you know "her" personally?
Do we all age/mature in the same way?
IS there such a thing as a "window of pink hair expression"?
Of course not...
I know artists in Chicago, well in their thirties and forties, who have blue hair, and get brand new tattoos, one of them happens to be a 45 year old woman...

Dazz looks great in pink hair...
Besides, it's only a comic book.
If you have to argue over stuff like that, maybe it's start to read more "credible" stuff, like biographies or non-fiction books or papers about feminism...

[Beast]

Plus Dazzler spent a long time in Mojo World.
So that's something else that could have contributed to her change. :)

[DDM]

overall, it was okay. i can do without more evil x-men clones, but at least these guys have a cool design to them. ryan's art was alright, mostly his per usual. again, though, the title's logo is awful. easily the worst marvel logo i have seen in recent times. but, what's inside counts more than what's on the cover, and issue 1 was an okay read. i'll see the title through it's first arc, at least.

They are not evil X-Men clones, but evil X-Men from another alternate Earth.
Evil Xavier sounds more like the Shadow King.

[DDM]

How do you know?
DO you know "her" personally?
Do we all age/mature in the same way?
IS there such a thing as a "window of pink hair expression"?
Of course not...
I know artists in Chicago, well in their thirties and forties, who have blue hair, and get brand new tattoos, one of them happens to be a 45 year old woman...

Dazz looks great in pink hair...
Besides, it's only a comic book.
If you have to argue over stuff like that, maybe it's start to read more "credible" stuff, like biographies or non-fiction books or papers about feminism...

Dazzler is twice the age of Rogue. Alison got on to Rogue when Rogue called Dazzler "girl."

Dazzler is still in the music industry; therefore, her pink hair in an expression of her darker tone she had to bring to the surface from her years being a reluctant mutant hero in her Dazzler book & in Uncanny X-Men.

[Beast]

Dazzler is twice the age of Rogue. Alison got on to Rogue when Rogue called Dazzler "girl."
Well, that doesn't prove she's twice her age. But yes, she's older than Rogue.

[DDM]

Well, that doesn't prove she's twice her age. But yes, she's older than Rogue.

Alison Blaire is between 25-30 years old; whereas, Rogue is 17-19 years old.

[streator]

They are not evil X-Men clones, but evil X-Men from another alternate Earth.
Evil Xavier sounds more like the Shadow King.
i didn't mean clones literally (as in exact genetic duplicates) but more so in the sense of more alternate x-men.
and rogue is definitely older than 17-19.

[DDM]

i didn't mean clones literally (as in exact genetic duplicates) but more so in the sense of more alternate x-men.
and rogue is definitely older than 17-19.

Nope, Rogue was a minor when she joined the X-Men. Rogue & Rachel Summers are the same age.

[Novaya Havoc]

How do you know?
DO you know "her" personally?
Do we all age/mature in the same way?
IS there such a thing as a "window of pink hair expression"?
Of course not...
I know artists in Chicago, well in their thirties and forties, who have blue hair, and get brand new tattoos, one of them happens to be a 45 year old woman...

Dazz looks great in pink hair...
Besides, it's only a comic book.
If you have to argue over stuff like that, maybe it's start to read more "credible" stuff, like biographies or non-fiction books or papers about feminism...

<rolls eyes>
At least I know a stupid cash-cow Ultimate-wave-riding throwback design when I see it. Sheesh. And people say the "disco suit" was a vapid marketing ploy. That's what bugs me about this design. It's as if Claremont and some editor looked at Ultimate Dazzler, and then attributed the character's appeal solely on her "re-invention." It's lame. X-Babies lame. Shi'ar lame. And it's way past its prime, both as a fashion statement, and for the character.

So forgive me for referencing Dazzler (something Claremont and most posters never do), X-Men, and trying to put the character in-context for you. My bad.

Anyhoot, we'll have to agree to disagree. I live in Chicago, and every off-color haired person I see is either a lesbian, under 21, going to a costume party, or is ridiculed on the street. So I suppose we have different worldviews. Whatever.

-Ben

[streator]

Nope, Rogue was a minor when she joined the X-Men. Rogue & Rachel Summers are the same age.
given rogue was first portrayed as at least in her late 30s, i'd consider her age something easily malleable.
she's been written as around the same age level as the majority of the x-men, middle twenties or so.

[MaryJane19]

Loved the art, i think it complimented CC very well. Unlike Alan Davis who is good, but it seemed to archaic.

[Beast]

given rogue was first portrayed as at least in her late 30s, i'd consider her age something easily malleable.
she's been written as around the same age level as the majority of the x-men, middle twenties or so.
That was an artist error though. CC always intended her for her to be a teenager when she was introduced. They just took the streaks in her hair to mean she was older, so drew her that way. :)

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

<rolls eyes>
I live in Chicago, and every off-color haired person I see is either a lesbian, under 21, going to a costume party, or is ridiculed on the street.



Then you must be either in a lily-white predominantly republican Chicago suburb, or you mustn't go out too much, if you think only lesbians or Halloween partiers dye their hair in weird colors...

[Novaya Havoc]

Then you must be either in a lily-white predominantly republican Chicago suburb, or you mustn't go out too much, if you think only lesbians or Halloween partiers dye their hair in weird colors...

[snip! this is pointless]

Gosh darn it -- I don't seem to fit in your suburban, Republican, or white stereotypes. Try again, dear.

But this is incredibly off-topic, so next time you want to have a rebuttal and bring my race/geography/economic status into this equation, do it on PM.

[Beast]

Hm. I go to DePaul -- right in the city. Full of plenty of liberal students. With unnatural hair colors. Majority: Under 21. Majority: Lesbian, bisexual, et cetera.

Hm. I live in Lincoln Park/Lakeview. Large gay/lesbian, young, urban community. Hm. Fun correllation.

My best friend lives in Wicker Park. It's a gentrifying artistic, young, urban community. Hm. Oh, and she put blue streaks in her hair. Under 21, bisexual.

Oh, I'm from Michigan. Hm. Urban environment, 30+% minority, strong democratic base. Wow. No one with an established career or college degree over the age of 25 with unnatural hair colors. Wow!

Gosh darn it -- I don't seem to fit in your suburban, Republican, or white stereotypes. Try again, dear.

But this is incredibly off-topic, so next time you want to have a rebuttal and bring my race/geography/economic status into this equation, do it on PM.
Way to stereotype everyone! And you were upset with the comments about women? :rolleyes:

[Novaya Havoc]

Way to stereotype everyone! And you were upset with the comments about women? :rolleyes:

I'm drawing correllaries. There is a huge difference between an editor saying he's rooting for Sage and Dazzler to have a sexual lesbian relationship and noticing that a great number of people with unnatural hair colors are a) young, or b) LGBT. Sheesh. Nevermind.

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

Novaya:

All that extraneous data about your surroundings (which still don't disprove the FACT that there are heterosexual women over thirty that die their hair "weird", especially artists, and I know several) still doesn't say anything about Dazzler, a fictional character that can do whatever the writer wants her to do.
Like I said, if you are gonna nitpick the "subtleties" of hairdye in the context of a fictional character's indeterminate age, maybe your choice of reading shouldn't be comics, a haven for implausibilities and fantastical elements.

As for the letters page Sage/Dazz comment , that was childish but inoffensive.
The fact that you felt offended by it tells me all I need to know.


Lighten up, it's only a comic book.

[MaryJane19]

Ali Blair is a lesbian? Who knew. :eek:

[Sean Whitmore]

I think Juggernaut is over 30 and a lesbian. So you're ALL way off.


SEAN

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

I think Chris Claremont is male, over 30 and heterosexual.

[Atomic Mongoose]

I like New Excalibur. It's good.

[Will.S]

This was good stuff.

I enjoyed the alternate X-Men and their "evil" costumes. Dazzler and company are an interesting bunch although I've never been a big Pete Wisdom fan other than when Ellis writes him (which is kinda like a British Nick Fury). I liked the reunion of the original Excalibur team as well and Brian and Betsy meeting each other again without the HoM strings attatched was a nice moment. Hopefully Chris will take further advantage of Juggernaut and Nocturne since they've become favorites of mine with their new directions.

Artwise it's solid as a rock. It's not overly flashy but Michael Ryan has good clean linework that works well with Chris's script.

Not a bad start at all, I actually like it better than the Genosha based Exaclibur by a mile.

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

Can someone please explain Nocturne to me. Why does she have Rachael's powers? What is her power exactly?

[twilight]

Can someone please explain Nocturne to me. Why does she have Rachael's powers? What is her power exactly?

Nocturne is the alternate reality daughter of Nightcrawler and The Scarlet Witch.She has the same look as her father and his teleportation but also a form of mental possesion which she can only perform once every day.

[Dizzy D]

Nocturne is the alternate reality daughter of Nightcrawler and The Scarlet Witch.She has the same look as her father and his teleportation but also a form of mental possesion which she can only perform once every day.

Nocturne can not teleport, but she can fire hex-bolts at her opponents. She also has a retractable tail.

[Beast]

Nocturne can not teleport, but she can fire hex-bolts at her opponents. She also has a retractable tail.
Actually, according to Claremont her hex-bolts are a casualty of House of M. It seems that editorial decided to remove this power, and just leave her with the ability to posess others.

[Dizzy D]

Actually, according to Claremont her hex-bolts are a casualty of House of M. It seems that editorial decided to remove this power, and just leave her with the ability to posess others.

Any reason for it? I find it odd to just remove parts of a character like that for no reason whatsoever.

[Beast]

Any reason for it? I find it odd to just remove parts of a character like that for no reason whatsoever.
No clue, he didn't go into detail. Either it will be explained, or it will just be ignored. We'll have to see if it's ever brought up again. I think it's silly also, but that's Marvel for you. :)

[The Fury]

This book was FRIGGING AWESOME. In so many ways. Litterally.

What else is there to say. Not only is it great to see an Excalibur book set in England again, but this first arc seems like it is going to be great.

Brits Rule!

[AnthonyJ]

Any reason for it? I find it odd to just remove parts of a character like that for no reason whatsoever.

Probably because her hex-bolts are too closely tied to Wanda's powers.

[Beast]

Probably because her hex-bolts are too closely tied to Wanda's powers.
They arn't really tied to Wanda's powers at all. Nocturne opens small portals up and release a blast of energy from the dimeson that Kurt teleports through. She only named them Hex-Bolts to honor her mother.

[DDM]

The evil X-Men, from another alternate Earth, track down a guy working for the Hellfire Club's White Queen, "Courtney Ross," Mastrex Opal Lun Sat-Yr-9. Unfortunately, despite Dazzler's aid, the man is killed by the evil Iceman. Dazzler is induced into a heart attack by evil Marvel Girl.

With the help of the X-Men--Nightcrawler, Shadowcat, Marvel Girl III (really Phoenix), the original Excalibur--along with Psylocke, Captain Britain tries to tell his friends that "Courtney Ross" is really Mastrex Opal Lun Sat-Yr-9. Aside from Shadowcat, the other X-Men really don't react.

I believe the evil Xavier is really the Shadow King from another reality who has founded & corrupted the original X-Men from the same alternate Earth. I am not so certain Mad Jim Jaspers is pulling the strings. He might. I don't know yet.

10/10 for the story & art

[The Fury]

The evil X-Men, from another alternate Earth,

How do you know they are from another reality, they could just be Evil clones or something?


And if you give me the answer I think you are, DDM, what have we talked about? ;)


but you are Right a definate 10/10.

[Beast]

How do you know they are from another reality, they could just be Evil clones or something?


And if you give me the answer I think you are, DDM, what have we talked about? ;)


but you are Right a definate 10/10.
I assume he's just speculating, because the solicits and interviews haven't said one way or another. And considering he speculates all the time about Marvel Girl, I wouldn't worry to much, Fury. :D

[Cayman]

Maybe they are Lang's robots recreated somehow.

Cay

[DDM]

Maybe they are Lang's robots recreated somehow.

Cay

Steven Lang's X-Men Sentinels were destroyed in Uncanny X-Men #100. Since New Excalibur deals largely with Captain Britain, I believe the evil X-Men are from another alternate Earth. However, evil Xavier is certainly not really Xavier; he has the Shadow King's voice.

[Uncle Nobs]

Nocturne... also has a retractable tail.
So do I, but I keep mine in front.

[Gaveedra 6]

The Evil X-Men are clearly mixed up with the Imposter Coutrtney Ross, who herself is from another dimension. So it stands to reason that they are other-dimensional counterparts of our Fab Five. Cleremont even said somewhere that New Exacalibur would have lots of OtherWorld-related plot. IMO, The Evil X-Men have way too much of their own personalities to be clones or robots. Our guys never dressed that sexy!

[DDM]

The Evil X-Men are clearly mixed up with the Imposter Coutrtney Ross, who herself is from another dimension. So it stands to reason that they are other-dimensional counterparts of our Fab Five. Cleremont even said somewhere that New Exacalibur would have lots of OtherWorld-related plot. IMO, The Evil X-Men have way too much of their own personalities to be clones or robots. Our guys never dressed that sexy!

It would be great if the evil X-Men are from Sat-Yr-9's original Earth.

[Gaveedra 6]

It would be great if the evil X-Men are from Sat-Yr-9's original Earth.
That's what I'm guessing. They're totally nasty like her!

[Uncle Nobs]

How do you know they are from another reality, they could just be Evil clones or something?
It's a safe bet that they're from an alternate dimension, since:

A) Claremont's original Captain Britain stories dealt largely with extra-dimensional adventures.

B) Claremont's original Excalibur series dealt largely with extra-dimensional adventures.

C) Claremont set up this entire series in the HoM issues of Uncanny as Brian's quest to deal with the results of the cross-dimensional chaos wave and to find his lost wife.

D) Claremont restated in this very issue in the only scene where all former and future Excalibur members are talking that Brian must now solve the mysteries of the cross-dimensional chaos wave and find his lost wife.



So while it's still all speculation at this point, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet.

[LoneWolf21]

Wasn't Sat-yr-9's planet some sort of fascist earth? The evil X-Men don't seem to be the fascist types at this point, but hey, the books only an issue old.

[Absolut_Fresh]

*sigh* Cecelia deserved to go out better than an off panel death in some concentration camp and have it revealed in a letters page....this saddens me.

i know some of you say her death has been mentioned before, but it was never offical and rumors of upcoming appearances had also been feverishly posted on the net....so i just think she got a punk way to go. just like my Jean, but i wont get into that *le sigh*

issue was pretty solid. i wasnt thrown back in awe, but it didnt make me cry that i could have bought a soda and candybar instead of a comic like adjectiveless X-Men has done the past year. i will stick around till Sage comes around.

[DDM]

Wasn't Sat-yr-9's planet some sort of fascist earth? The evil X-Men don't seem to be the fascist types at this point, but hey, the books only an issue old.

Yes. Mastrex Opal Lun Sat-Yr-9 ruled Britain with her female guard. The men were treated as second class citizens & slaves. Kaptain Briton ruled beside Opal Lun Sat-Yr-9.

Sat-Yr-9 is a female version of Vlad Dracul, Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, & Polpot (sp?) rolled into one person.

[LoneWolf21]

*sigh* Cecelia deserved to go out better than an off panel death in some concentration camp and have it revealed in a letters page....this saddens me.

i know some of you say her death has been mentioned before, but it was never offical and rumors of upcoming appearances had also been feverishly posted on the net....so i just think she got a punk way to go. just like my Jean, but i wont get into that *le sigh*

The weird thing though, is that Frank Tieri has a stated repeatedly that she isn't dead, she's expliciitely shown to be one of the safe people (ok, that's a relative term, how safe is anyone in a concentration camp?) in Weapon X #5.

[Blackcat]

The weird thing though, is that Frank Tieri has a stated repeatedly that she isn't dead, she's expliciitely shown to be one of the safe people (ok, that's a relative term, how safe is anyone in a concentration camp?) in Weapon X #5.

There is nowhere said that Cecilia Reyes died. How did you guys come to this conclusion?

[Hi-Fi]

There is nowhere said that Cecilia Reyes died. How did you guys come to this conclusion?

The editors said so in the letter pages, if i understand correctly.

[Absolut_Fresh]

There is nowhere said that Cecilia Reyes died. How did you guys come to this conclusion?

its blantently stated in the letters page she is dead....hopefully that will turn out to be incorrect information as these letter pages are quite often RIDDLED with inaccurate info. esp when you have dumbasses like this guy replying to fan letters.

[The Fury]

It would be great if the evil X-Men are from Sat-Yr-9's original Earth.
I assume he's just speculating, because the solicits and interviews haven't said one way or another. And considering he speculates all the time about Marvel Girl, I wouldn't worry to much, Fury. :D
It's a safe bet that they're from an alternate dimension, since:
Hey, i wouldn't complain at all if that were to happen. i loves me an alternate reality. A lot infact.

But you know DDM, he state FACT only. Even when its the future....well most the time.

[fishtaco]

delete post.

[Beast]

Weapon X: Days of Future Now 3 says otherwise :)
It shows her in a possible future story, so it doesn't really count.

[fishtaco]

It shows her in a possible future story, so it doesn't really count.No, it shows her in a flashback before the future storyline takes place.

[Beast]

No, it shows her in a flashback before the future storyline takes place.
Where exactly are you talking about? Because even if it's a flashback, it's before she was supposedly killed.

[MaryJane19]

This title was decent, though I could have been better. Hope they aint waisting Ryan's talent on rubbish. It just bought itself a few issues.

[Brian R]

I decided to try this book out and was not dissapointed. I have been reading posts bashing CC for so long, yet nothing in this issue jumped out at me as being worthy of such disdain, really solid from start to finish. Granted, most of these characters are new to me, so if they are being written out-of-character then I cant argue with that, but the writing itself was fine. In fact, for a setup issue, I found it very well-paced with a nice mix of action and dialogue.

The artwork, which some seem to find below-par, I actually quite liked, it is a little dark but I felt like it suited the current mood of the x-verse very well considering all that just happened. Captain Britain looks awesome, as he should, and I personally think Dazzler's new look is an improvement. Sure, it is something of a "Pink" rip-off, but she really needed a makeover in my opinion, and the new style fits her perfectly.

I think the best indicator for me is that, when I finished the book, I was in a good mood, any time a comic does that for me I have to give it a thumbs up. Looking forward to #2.

[Ryan K]

Good first issue. Nice setup with winks to the past. Juggernaut's concern for Dazzler was nice.

Did I miss something? What's up with Nocturne's white patch of hair?

[Vegetarian Goat]

I loved it.

(does this surprise anyone?)

[Beast]

Did I miss something? What's up with Nocturne's white patch of hair?
I think she's just trying something a bit different. Or she saw Juggy naked and her hair turned white. :)

[Sean Whitmore]

I think she's just trying something a bit different. Or she saw Juggy naked and her hair turned white. :)


Hey, that's how Xavier lost his.


SEAN

[Cayman]

Nocturne seems like the most killable character in the X universe right now.

Cay

[Beast]

Nocturne seems like the most killable character in the X universe right now.

Cay
Nah, I'd give that award to the depowered mutants. And then whoever dies in Deadly Genesis. :)

[The Fury]

Nah, I'd give that award to the depowered mutants. And then whoever dies in Deadly Genesis. :)
Who says any one will die in it? That would be a bit predictable for Marvel if they killed someone in it. It's a big event, so in order to make the story good, they kill someone....yeah, not predictable at all.

Unless it's Wolverine, they can kill him.

As for most killable character..anyone that hasn't been seen or heard from in at least 8 years are good characters to kill.

[Stephane Garrelie]

:p I loved the issue. Great Claremont story and I like Michael Ryan's art: It serves very well the story :)

[goldenarms]

Great first issue, I can't wait to see the direction the series will take. I gotta agree with those that think the original fab 5 shown were from another dimension. In Uncanny right before House of M started we saw the Chaos wave which showed Alternate X-men. I think these X-men in Excalibur are a result of that phenomenon.

[The Fury]

Oddly?

Isn't she just there to harp on her ex-husband?
I say oddly becuase so far it's out of place with her Hellfire Club role. She hangs arround with Sat-Yr-9, and goes fighting the X-men. And then she's suddenly formed a nice small group of Hydra rejects and wants to take back the Hydra.

I'm just saying oddly until Bendis makes her say about Hellfire Club, he seems to be ignoring it....that's all.

Although, I still get confused when Calremont makes her fight....the Viper I know from Cap A never fought, she was just there to be evil and look green haired.

[Babylon23]

Absolutely loved this issue. Claremont is the Man!

When this new title was announced, and Captain Britain was confirmed, my first thought was "man, I hope there's a lot of otherdimensional stroylines in this book". Otherworld is such a big part of Cap's story, and of Britain in general, that it wouldn't be the same without the alternate realities.

The X-Men in issue 1 suggests to me that I got my wish. I love seeing these different realities, and the evil X-Men were very cool.

Also, credit to Michael Ryan. I've never been a fan of his work before, but the art on this issue was very good.

[The Fury]

Also, credit to Michael Ryan. I've never been a fan of his work before, but the art on this issue was very good.
I'm going to reflcet this exact comment, His art on Academy X I thought was okay, but here it just looked better. Helps with the right inker and colourist I guess.

Also, these other X-men's costumes were dang cool.

[Nightcrawler]

It was good. I'll be picking up #2.

[xmanson]

I really liked that the issue is very straightforward, going directly to the point.

[zinderel]

I have a question...in the same reply that had the Sage/Dazzler longing and the reveal that Dr. Reyes was dead, it mentioned that we're not gonna believe what's in the works for Northstar...any thoughts on that one? Is he still crazy-terrorist-brainwashed-by-the-Hand guy? Is he gonna go back to being arrogant-a**hole-gay guy? Is he actually going to get a personality and become something other than the gay guy Marvel can point to and say, "See! We believe in diversity! We love the gays! (Now that we've done that, we can keep Ultimate Colossus in the closet a while longer and lets hope everyone forgets the Anole plotline...)"

[LoneWolf21]

I have a question...in the same reply that had the Sage/Dazzler longing and the reveal that Dr. Reyes was dead, it mentioned that we're not gonna believe what's in the works for Northstar...any thoughts on that one? Is he still crazy-terrorist-brainwashed-by-the-Hand guy? Is he gonna go back to being arrogant-a**hole-gay guy? Is he actually going to get a personality and become something other than the gay guy Marvel can point to and say, "See! We believe in diversity! We love the gays! (Now that we've done that, we can keep Ultimate Colossus in the closet a while longer and lets hope everyone forgets the Anole plotline...)"

Don't forget Karma...and isn't a former member of the Thunderbolts a lesbian? Ah forget it, I know there's a list out somewhere.

[zinderel]

Oh, I don't forget about Karma, or Mystique, Destiny, the girl at the coffee place in New X-Men, or any of the other female characters who love other ladies. But see, they're lesbians. They're OK to show cause a good percentage of fanboy fantasizes about girls doing it with other girls...as evidenced by the Sage/Dazzler joke. But a man who likes men? There's...Northstar...Ultimate Northstar...Ultimate Colossus, most likely (though they still haven't come out and jut SAID it...um...hell, Shatterstar and Rictor were basically heading that way, but again, never said outright, and likely been entirely retconned now, so yeah. Northstar's it. I'm not trying to start a discussion about gays in comics. I just would like Marvel to actually USE the one openly gay male character they have, and give him a personality and storyline beyond his being gay...and a jerk.

Of course, as I think about it, watch...I bet his brainwashing made him become a religious fanatic and awakened the light powers he shared with his sister when they touched, and HE'S the glowy Jesus guy that Stryker saw...*Smirks* I know, I know...timeline's all wrong, but wouldn't it be funny...

P.S - this is purely in reference to X-Men in general and Northstar in particular, as I know about, and am happy to see the relationship between Hulkling and Wiccan in Young Avengers being portrayed as normal, and not the sole reason the characters exist.

[Beast]

Oh, I don't. BUt see, they're lesbians. They're OK to show cause a good percentage of fanboy fantasizes about girls doing it with other girls...as evidenced by the Sage/Dazzler joke. But a man who likes men? There's...Northstar...Ultimate Northstar...Ultimate Colossus, most likely (though they still haven't come out and jut SAID it...um...that one guy in the Hulk back in the 90s...Hell, Shatterstar and Rictor were basically heading that way, but again, never said outright, and likely been entirely retconned now, so yeah. Northstar's it. I'm not saying, or even trying to start a discussion about gays in comics. I just would like Marvel to actually USE the one openly gay male character they have, and give him a personality and storyline beyond his being gay...and a jerk.

Of course, as I think about it, watch...I bet his brainwashing made him become a religious fanatic and awakened the light powers he shared with his sister when they touched, and HE'S the glowy Jesus guy that Stryker saw...*Smirks* I know, I know...timeline's all wrong, but wouldn't it be funny...
Young Avenger's Hulkling and Wiccan are realistic openly gay characters. :)

[zinderel]

hehe, I was in the process of updating that part of the post when you replied. LOL

[Dermie]

Young Avenger's Hulkling and Wiccan are realistic openly gay characters. :)

There are a few more openly gay characters too (although not as high-profile as Wiccan and Hulkling). Flatman and Living Lightning both recently came out. There is Roger Aubrey (the Mighty Destroyer). There were a few in X-Statix (Vivisector, Phat and Bloke) but they're all dead at the moment. Machinesmith has been openly gay for years, although he's in the villain category. Miller also outed Electro as bisexual in the MK Spider-Man book.

[zinderel]

I know there are other gay marvel characters. As I said, Ididn't want to turn this into a discussion about the gay Marvel chars, and I apologize if I got a little heated about Northstar. LOL He was the first, and frankly, most underused. Now they're saying there's something big in the works for him, so I was wondering what people thought about that. He's been used as a one-note character for so long, that it feels like he's trotted out once in a while to prove that Marvel has gay characters that aren't jokes, villains or dead, but that's ALL he is. I'd really like to see him get used more, and given a personality and a real storyline, and - dare to dream - a relationship. Hell, even if he ends up still a villain, if he's got a personality beyond the gay asshole, I'll be happy...just DO something with him. Ultimate Northstar feels more real than the guy that's been around in 616 forever!

[milly3cat]

The evil X-Men, from another alternate Earth, track down a guy working for the Hellfire Club's White Queen, "Courtney Ross," Mastrex Opal Lun Sat-Yr-9. Unfortunately, despite Dazzler's aid, the man is killed by the evil Iceman. Dazzler is induced into a heart attack by evil Marvel Girl.

With the help of the X-Men--Nightcrawler, Shadowcat, Marvel Girl III (really Phoenix), the original Excalibur--along with Psylocke, Captain Britain tries to tell his friends that "Courtney Ross" is really Mastrex Opal Lun Sat-Yr-9. Aside from Shadowcat, the other X-Men really don't react.

I believe the evil Xavier is really the Shadow King from another reality who has founded & corrupted the original X-Men from the same alternate Earth. I am not so certain Mad Jim Jaspers is pulling the strings. He might. I don't know yet.

10/10 for the story & art

I agree, it was an fantastic number one comic, and i'm looking forward to the next issues. The evil x-men thing is old and done before, but they were drawn so well , that they were so cool !!! :cool:

[Johnny_Storm]

I thought the first issue of Excalibur was cool. I'm also looking forward to learning more about Nocturne, I don't know what to make of her power so far, precog or newly developing telepathy? I'll be picking up Excal. next month for sure.

[Beast]

I thought the first issue of Excalibur was cool. I'm also looking forward to learning more about Nocturne, I don't know what to make of her power so far, precog or newly developing telepathy? I'll be picking up Excal. next month for sure.
Nocturne's power is to possess people. She goes somewhat etherial and actually merges with the person. She can typically do it once per day, and the person she possesses is unconscious usually for a full day afterwards. She also had Hex-Bolts, which were blasts of energy from the dimension Kurt teleports thru, but they are now a victim of HoM. Editorial doesn't want her having them anymore.

[Johnny_Storm]

Nocturne's power is to possess people. She goes somewhat etherial and actually merges with the person. She can typically do it once per day, and the person she possesses is unconscious usually for a full day afterwards. She also had Hex-Bolts, which were blasts of energy from the dimension Kurt teleports thru, but they are now a victim of HoM. Editorial doesn't want her having them anymore.

Wow, that's awsome, she should become a major player on the Excalibur roster, I can't wait to see how she uses that in the book or how it might develop.

[fishtaco]

Nocturne also has limited telepathy, nightvision, heightened agility and reflexes, a retractable tail ( :eek: ), and the ability to cling to solid objects.

Oh, and blue skin. ;)

[The Fury]

Wow, that's awsome, she should become a major player on the Excalibur roster, I can't wait to see how she uses that in the book or how it might develop.
She used it with great effect in the Uncanny X-men HoM issues by taking out the people who were after her.


And Fishy, lets not forget the pointy ears shall we?

[jarrod]

Nope, Rogue was a minor when she joined the X-Men. Rogue & Rachel Summers are the same age.
Given that Kitty was 14 when Rogue joined the X-Men, and Kitty's age has been pushed to around 19-20 now, Rogue's likely in her early to mid 20s. So are Dani, Sam, Amara, Shan and Rachel actually... none of them are teenagers at this point. Actually Rhane was younger than any of them and she's been established to be 19 now.

[AnthonyJ]

Nocturne's power is to possess people. She goes somewhat etherial and actually merges with the person. She can typically do it once per day, and the person she possesses is unconscious usually for a full day afterwards. She also had Hex-Bolts, which were blasts of energy from the dimension Kurt teleports thru, but they are now a victim of HoM. Editorial doesn't want her having them anymore.

Judging by Uncanny, the 'once per day' and the 'victim unconscious afterwards' seem to have gone by the wayside too, as she used it several times during a single day and her victims recovered just fine.

[Beast]

Judging by Uncanny, the 'once per day' and the 'victim unconscious afterwards' seem to have gone by the wayside too, as she used it several times during a single day and her victims recovered just fine.
Oh wait, I may have been wrong about the whole once per day. She can only possess someone for 12 hours, before exhaustion will force her out of the body. She can do multiple posessions per day, but they do weaken her of course. Which likely means she can't hold a body for a full 12 hours, if she's possessed another that day. As for the unconscious victims, it depends on the power level of the person. Spiral recovered quickly, as did Rachel, due to their power levels.

[Dizzy D]

Oh wait, I may have been wrong about the whole once per day. She can only possess someone for 12 hours, before exhaustion will force her out of the body. She can do multiple posessions per day, but they do weaken her of course. Which likely means she can't hold a body for a full 12 hours, if she's possessed another that day. As for the unconscious victims, it depends on the power level of the person. Spiral recovered quickly, as did Rachel, due to their power levels.

She had that once per day limitation, that was why she couldn't take out Hyperion as planned: she had to possess Heather to save her life.

[Neolucifer]

WoW that issue was simply awesome . Sure the evil twins of heroes are hardly something original , but who cares ? they were quite cool and badasses, allowed to display quite cool action scenes and still got enough mysteries around them and their goals to remain interesting . Give me everyday an evil clone over a cassandra nova kind of foe!!!

I was quite bored with CC most recent uncanny's run , yet loved the previous Excalibur run , so i'm glad to see he's back with his A game on this serie .

[Tetrachromatic]

Give me everyday an evil clone over a cassandra nova kind of foe!!!

But, Cassandra Nova was essentially Xavier's evil clone.

[The Fury]

But, Cassandra Nova was essentially Xavier's evil clone.
Just she had all this weird crap going on...not just telepathy.

[mattbib]

And she was kind of disembodied or something, right? Where did her original body even come from?

[Dizzy D]

And she was kind of disembodied or something, right? Where did her original body even come from?

According to Jean and Xavier's speculation, she probably gathered organic matter to build herself a new body over the years.

[Beast]

According to Jean and Xavier's speculation, she probably gathered organic matter to build herself a new body over the years.
So... since she was in a sewer, she made her new body out of poo? ;) :D

[ibrakeforchinwe]

Cassandra used charles' cells and then improvised. Thats what Jean said in New X Men.

[Brian M.]

So... since she was in a sewer, she made her new body out of poo? ;) :D

Well if that's the case than C. Nova really is just one shitty villian.

[Beast]

Well if that's the case than C. Nova really is just one shitty villian.
Well, we already knew that from the first time she appeared. :)

[The Sword Is Drawn]

After craving for this issue for so long, how annoyed was I to find that it was released when I was away from native Britain, and actually in the States, but sadly without net access to post my thoughts...

What can I say? This was great, and the way it tied in neatly with House of M: The day After, was just the kind of throughline to keeps it's association with this storyline.

A great setup issue, with good concise writing from Claremont. The art is not to my personal taste but I can live with it, and hope it can remain an ongoing series. With it's direct ties to both the X-Men AND The Hellfire club I think it certainly will.

Sure, that logo is pretty awful, but as far as everything else goes I am very happy with this, and it has already almost made up for a year of the Genoshan-based sub-series it replaced.

Couldn't be much happier.