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MichikoS
11-08-2005, 02:54 PM
Blame it on the change in weather. Lately, I was reminded of a cover from a 1970 Ka-Zar comic book that supposedly featured a "hidden obscenity." To this day, I have no idea whether or not this was an intentional insertion or just a strange coincidence. I've always considered so-called "hidden messages" something of a Rorschach anyway.

Does anyone know the TRUE story behind this "F*CK" supposedly hidden in the tall grass above Zabu's rump? It's a Marie Severin cover, too! And do you know of any other examples of comic book "hidden obscenities"?

Michi

Punisher
11-08-2005, 03:05 PM
Could you find a larger copy of this cover because I can't see the word?

Cei-U!
11-08-2005, 04:01 PM
I've attached a larger image below and I gotta say it sure *looks* like the f-word nestled there atom Zabu's furry behind (though without the real book in front of me, I can't say with any authority that this isn't a prank played on the GCD by some PhotoShop-savvy jokester). It's hard to imagine either Marie Severin or John Verpoorten pulling such a stunt. Since John V. was Marvel's production manager at the time, maybe this was some armadillo's idea of revenge?

Cei-U!
Patiently waiting for Mark Evanier or Scott Shaw! to shoot my theory down!

davros42
11-08-2005, 04:21 PM
It's more likely the artist's signature, made illegible by the shrinkage and compression of making this image a JPEG

The Wayner
11-08-2005, 04:36 PM
This is the first time I've heard of this, or looked at the cover that way. Pretty interesting, and amusing.

Cei-U!
11-08-2005, 04:40 PM
It's more likely the artist's signature, made illegible by the shrinkage and compression of making this image a JPEG

It doesn't look like any Marie Severin signature I've ever seen. On the other hand, I looked at an enlargement and the "word" kinda disappears up close (if anything, it looks like it says "5hek"--whatever that means).

Cei-U!
I summon the eyestrain!

MWGallaher
11-08-2005, 04:41 PM
I have a copy, and there is no way it's an innocent coincidence. It's no signature, it's no accident, it's very obviously intentional.
And I'd go with the "armadillo" theory, rather than blaming Severin or Verpoorten. If Ms. Severin had done it, she'd have hidden it better. As published, it looks to me like an addition to the art--it's not "organic" enough to be something the cover artist herself would have put it.
And this would certainly seem like a "firing offense". I doubt either of those two would have risked their jobs for a juvenile prank like that, and since neither of them were fired in the immediately following years...

MDG
11-08-2005, 05:30 PM
Steve Ditko hid a little "present" on this Creeper cover:
http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/2212/400/2212_4_07.jpg

(Sorry--it's hard to see in the scan. Anyone have a larget image?)

MDG

Aaron Kashtan
11-08-2005, 06:11 PM
I remember that a few years ago, when Bob Harras (I think) left Marvel, Al Milgrom inserted a hidden message into a panel that he was inking. It said something like "Ha ha, Bob is gone, good riddance to bad rubbish." The message made it into print, but unfortunately some higher authorities noticed and Milgrom was fired.

C.O. Jones
11-08-2005, 10:05 PM
I remember that a few years ago, when Bob Harras (I think) left Marvel, Al Milgrom inserted a hidden message into a panel that he was inking. It said something like "Ha ha, Bob is gone, good riddance to bad rubbish." The message made it into print, but unfortunately some higher authorities noticed and Milgrom was fired.

The words were written into the spines of a set of books as titles that were sitting on a bookshelf. Exactly which comic it was, I can't recall.

Brian Cronin
11-08-2005, 10:08 PM
Yeah, I always wanted to do an "urban legend" on the Ka-Zar thing, but all I had to run with was "the comic says fuck on the cover." :)

Not much of a story there. ;)

Here's (http://goodcomics.blogspot.com/2005/06/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-3.html) my bit on the Milgrom snafu (in the comments, someone provides a larger scan than the one I had).

Paradox
11-09-2005, 01:03 AM
Hidden obsenities? Hmmm...haven't heard of any that haven't been mentioned.

Here's an open obsenity for you. :D

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/5542/400/5542_4_001.jpg

"Cap? It's Quasimodo on the phone. He wants his hump back." :p

The Wayner
11-09-2005, 06:05 AM
Steve Ditko hid a little "present" on this Creeper cover:
http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/2212/400/2212_4_07.jpg

(Sorry--it's hard to see in the scan. Anyone have a larget image?)

MDG

I've been studying this pic and can't see anything, lol. I know you mentioned needing a possible larger scan, but I can't wait! Spoil it for me! :D

Aaron Kashtan
11-09-2005, 07:16 AM
Yeah, I always wanted to do an "urban legend" on the Ka-Zar thing, but all I had to run with was "the comic says fuck on the cover." :)

Not much of a story there. ;)

Here's (http://goodcomics.blogspot.com/2005/06/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-3.html) my bit on the Milgrom snafu (in the comments, someone provides a larger scan than the one I had).

Here's the link to that scan: http://credibility.blogspot.com/2005/07/revenge-of-inker.html

Cei-U!
11-09-2005, 07:46 AM
Hidden obsenities? Hmmm...haven't heard of any that haven't been mentioned.

Here's an open obsenity for you. :D

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/5542/400/5542_4_001.jpg

"Cap? It's Quasimodo on the phone. He wants his hump back." :p

Aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!! My EYYYYYYYYYYYESS!!! My EYYYYYYYYYYYYESSSSSSS!!!!!

Cei-U!
I summon the guide dog!

Scott Shaw!
11-09-2005, 08:21 AM
I've featured that KA-ZAR "fuck" cover in my ODDBALL COMICS slide show since the 1970s. It's definitely not there due to Marie Severin; I know the lady and she simply is not the sort of person to derive amusement from something like this. And from what Roy Thomas has told me, John Verpoorten took his job too seriously to endanger it with a stupid stunt like this.

All the same, I think there's no mistaking that those blades of grass, or strands of Zabu's fur, or whatever they are, intentionally spell "f-u-c-k".

Comic art passes through many hands on its way to the printer. Who knows exactly WHO decided to "customize" this cover?

Aloha,

Scott!

P.S.: In an issue of Atlas' THE BRUTE, Mike Sekowsky labeled a plane with the code-word "5hI7", to make it look like the word "shit". He told me it was his commentary on the lousy script he was illustrating! -- SS!

MDG
11-09-2005, 08:30 AM
I've been studying this pic and can't see anything, lol. I know you mentioned needing a possible larger scan, but I can't wait! Spoil it for me! :D
Way down on the sidewalk, there's a dog taking a leak on a fire hydrant. You can kind've make out the puddle in the street between the Creeper's knees.

MDG

Mike Kuypers
11-09-2005, 10:05 AM
In an issue of STRANGE TALES (no, I don't remember which one) Jim Starlin slipped the "F" word into the background of a Warlock panel. It was a computer panel with a grid pattern. Some of the squares were colored, some were blacked out. The blacked out squares made up the letters of the obscenity.

MWGallaher
11-09-2005, 10:26 AM
About 15 years ago, Marvel released a hardback reprint of Simon & Kirby's original 10 Captain America issues, then recalled them when it was found some imp in production had given Bucky a crudely-drawn male organ on a color overlay.

The Wayner
11-09-2005, 11:17 AM
Way down on the sidewalk, there's a dog taking a leak on a fire hydrant. You can kind've make out the puddle in the street between the Creeper's knees.

MDG

Thanks for the spoiler! I can dig it. :cool:

foswell
11-09-2005, 11:28 AM
One of the Atlas comics had a plane with 5H1T on its wing.I forget which disgruntled employee but that there.I haven't got the issue at hand at the moment,I think it may have been in Phoenix

Venoman
11-09-2005, 12:30 PM
i noticed the pissing man or dog on the creeper cover but i really cant see the worf fuck of the kazar cover nor can i see the humour in the captain america one

Brian Cronin
11-09-2005, 12:32 PM
I've featured that KA-ZAR "fuck" cover in my ODDBALL COMICS slide show since the 1970s. It's definitely not there due to Marie Severin; I know the lady and she simply is not the sort of person to derive amusement from something like this. And from what Roy Thomas has told me, John Verpoorten took his job too seriously to endanger it with a stupid stunt like this.

All the same, I think there's no mistaking that those blades of grass, or strands of Zabu's fur, or whatever they are, intentionally spell "f-u-c-k".

Comic art passes through many hands on its way to the printer. Who knows exactly WHO decided to "customize" this cover?

Aloha,

Scott!

P.S.: In an issue of Atlas' THE BRUTE, Mike Sekowsky labeled a plane with the code-word "5hI7", to make it look like the word "shit". He told me it was his commentary on the lousy script he was illustrating! -- SS!

Agreed about how it couldn't be either Severin or Verpoorten.

Which just makes this so weird.

I mean, it's such an "out there" thing (in the sense that so many people have heard of it), yet we don't know who was responsible for it?

So weird.

-Brian

Aaron Kashtan
11-09-2005, 01:48 PM
One of the Atlas comics had a plane with 5H1T on its wing.I forget which disgruntled employee but that there.I haven't got the issue at hand at the moment,I think it may have been in Phoenix

See Scott Shaw!'s post above.

Red Oak Kid
11-09-2005, 06:59 PM
Concerning the 1st Issue Special cover by Ditko; since Ditko has no history of drawing "in-jokes" into his art, I think the dog/hydrant was done by the inker or someone in production.

I'm pretty sure this cover was not inked by Ditko, but oddly enough, the GCD has no art credits for this cover.

MWGallaher
11-09-2005, 07:35 PM
I'm pretty sure this cover was not inked by Ditko, but oddly enough, the GCD has no art credits for this cover.

I'm not positive, but the inker looks like Ramona Fradon to me...which is weird, because I don't recall her ever working as an inker, but the Creeper's face here looks more like Fradon than Ditko, and the brush strokes on his fur coat remind me of her lush lines.

Not that she seems like any more of a dog urine prankster than Ditko, though...

Cei-U!
11-09-2005, 07:38 PM
Concerning the 1st Issue Special cover by Ditko; since Ditko has no history of drawing "in-jokes" into his art, I think the dog/hydrant was done by the inker or someone in production.

I'm pretty sure this cover was not inked by Ditko, but oddly enough, the GCD has no art credits for this cover.

The cover inks match those of the interior pages, which are credited to Mike Royer. Frankly I can't imagine Royer pulling such a stunt so we may be back to the Lone Armadillo theory again.

Cei-U!
I love a mystery!

MWGallaher
11-09-2005, 07:56 PM
Ah! Royer...yes...I think you're right, that's more a Royer face than a Fradon, after all. Kind of Kamandi-looking...
Is it just me, or did the 90's dull anyone else's skills at art-spotting?

Aaron Kashtan
11-09-2005, 08:53 PM
The cover inks match those of the interior pages, which are credited to Mike Royer. Frankly I can't imagine Royer pulling such a stunt so we may be back to the Lone Armadillo theory again.

Cei-U!
I love a mystery!

I wonder if it would be polite to ask Royer himself about this. He'll probably be at SDCC next year.

Calamas
11-10-2005, 05:07 PM
Mile High has the largest scans that I know of. The Creeper image seems to be the same size as already presented, but the Ka-Zar may help:

Ka-Zar (http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=fullsize&issue=45162721222%201)

Creeper (http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=fullsize&issue=32264604970%207)

Venoman
11-11-2005, 02:54 AM
can someone circle the word fUcK on the kazar cover?

Dizzy D
11-11-2005, 03:56 AM
can someone circle the word fUcK on the kazar cover?

http://img491.imageshack.us/my.php?image=451627212229ia.gif

Hope this helps. Really odd behaviour though...

Venoman
11-11-2005, 04:29 AM
thanx alot man... i thought it was in that area but i wasnt sure... it looks to me as if it says fshck but i guess it could say fuck...

Roquefort Raider
11-14-2005, 06:39 AM
Hidden obsenities? Hmmm...haven't heard of any that haven't been mentioned.

Here's an open obsenity for you. :D

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/5542/400/5542_4_001.jpg

"Cap? It's Quasimodo on the phone. He wants his hump back." :p


Silly Quasimodo... Man-boobs are worn on the front!

Ed Cunard
11-14-2005, 06:58 AM
On the Kazar thing...

Mike Richardson and Steve Duin have a thing on that in Comics: Between the Panels (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1569713448/qid=1131980134/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i2_xgl14/103-8275660-3703012?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)--I'll check my copy tonight to see who they credit that bit to, if anyone at all.

Dizzy D
11-14-2005, 06:59 AM
Silly Quasimodo... Man-boobs are worn on the front!

What have you done.. now somebody will post the nude version as well.

Scott Shaw!
11-14-2005, 10:09 AM
On the Kazar thing...

Mike Richardson and Steve Duin have a thing on that in Comics: Between the Panels (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1569713448/qid=1131980134/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i2_xgl14/103-8275660-3703012?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)--I'll check my copy tonight to see who they credit that bit to, if anyone at all.

If and when you do, be sure to check out my listing there, revealing the inside story on my chunk-style peanut butter costume as "The Turd" (from GORY STORIES QUARTERLY No. 2 1/2, my first underground comix in 1969) -- and its disastrous side-effects -- at the 1972 World Science Fiction Convention.

Aloha,

Scott!

Ed Cunard
11-14-2005, 12:03 PM
If and when you do, be sure to check out my listing there, revealing the inside story on my chunk-style peanut butter costume as "The Turd" (from GORY STORIES QUARTERLY No. 2 1/2, my first underground comix in 1969) -- and its disastrous side-effects -- at the 1972 World Science Fiction Convention.

Aloha,

Scott!

Oh, I remember that one--that's awe-inspiring and kind of icky at the same time.

Heck, I think everyone should check that book out--it's one of those things that has something in it for every type of comics fan.

Scott Shaw!
11-14-2005, 04:03 PM
"Awe-inspiring and kind of icky at the same time"? Thanks, Ed -- that descriptive phrase might be kinda appropriate on my business card!

Aloha,

Scott

Ed Cunard
11-14-2005, 06:17 PM
COMICS: BETWEEN THE PANELS doesn't attribute the Ka-Zar grassfuck to anyone in particular, but it does mention THE BRUTE "5H17" Scott mentions. I like editor Jeff Rovin's quote on it in the book:


Childish? You bet. But at Atlas, we learned not to let any victory slip through our fingers, no matter how moronic.

Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.

gorosaurus
11-14-2005, 09:45 PM
I have always found this Avengers cover (#6) rather disturbing.
(sorry, can't get image to load). Will try tomorrow.

MichikoS
11-15-2005, 06:52 PM
I have always found this Avengers cover (#6) rather disturbing.
(sorry, can't get image to load). Will try tomorrow.

I'm sure you mean this cover! What was Perez thinking?? Hee hee.

Michi

MWGallaher
11-15-2005, 08:05 PM
Wow, Michi...I thought he meant the cover to Avengers #6 during the Heroes Reborn era as seen here! (http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=fullsize&issue=05817479208%206) ! Both of them have aspects that could be misinterpreted.

gorosaurus
11-15-2005, 08:30 PM
I'm sure you mean this cover! What was Perez thinking?? Hee hee.

Michi
Thanks Michi,
My scanner was making the jpg way too low rez.
I mean, the Shape's fist does not even look like a fist, and it's heading toward Warbird?!

Red Oak Kid
11-21-2005, 07:28 PM
I found this one over on dialbforblog.com

Daredevil 48

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/21267019774.48.GIF

Read the sign.

DOOM2099
11-25-2005, 05:03 PM
HAHAHA OMFG I have that issue and I never noticed that!

DOOM2099
11-25-2005, 05:33 PM
Spidey!

Yeah.

Red Oak Kid
12-04-2005, 07:11 AM
I just noticed in the Overstreet Guide, that the original Conan #8 has a "hidden message panel", pg 14.

Anyone know what this refers to?

Cherokee Jack
12-04-2005, 08:49 AM
I haven't checked my CONANs to confirm it, but supposedly there is a message among the gold coins on the floor saying something like, "I must be mad to sit here and count all these coins."

1961
12-04-2005, 09:02 AM
Spidey!

Yeah.
looks like spidey has stayed at " Hotel Asspain" too ! :evilsmile

MichikoS
12-04-2005, 08:40 PM
I haven't checked my CONANs to confirm it, but supposedly there is a message among the gold coins on the floor saying something like, "I must be mad to sit here and count all these coins."
Yes, the middle top panel of pg. 14 has all these gold coins spread over the floor. The detail work is incredible. It takes a magnifying glass, but you can read Smith's message quite clearly:

I MUST BE MAD TO SIT HERE DRAWING ALL THESE COINS.

Poor Barry Smith, not yet Windsor-Smith and soon to leave Conan far, far behind. I feel for him.

Michi

DOOM2099
12-08-2005, 05:37 PM
I don't have that comic! Does anybody have a scan? Barry Windsor-Smith is awesome, even though I hated that Rune crap.

MWGallaher
12-08-2005, 06:17 PM
And here's one in a Richie Rich comic, courtesy of Ernie Colon:
Look at the name of the band on the drum head. Page down. (http://www.misterkitty.org/extras/stupidcovers/stupidcomics8.html)

DOOM2099
12-14-2005, 06:27 PM
http://www.misterkitty.org/extras/stupidcovers/sab.jpghttp://www.misterkitty.org/extras/stupidcovers/sab2.jpg http://www.misterkitty.org/extras/stupidcovers/fant1.jpg

Aaron Kashtan
01-11-2009, 07:47 PM
P.S.: In an issue of Atlas' THE BRUTE, Mike Sekowsky labeled a plane with the code-word "5hI7", to make it look like the word "shit". He told me it was his commentary on the lousy script he was illustrating! -- SS!

I just read The Brute #1 for the first time, having totally forgotten about the use of the name 5HI7. It came as a pleasant surprise.

I think Sekowsky was completely right about the script. It's one big bore from start to finish; the only good point about it is Mike Fleischer's unintentionally funny purple prose.

MDG
01-12-2009, 06:36 AM
Orlando and Wood at EC:

http://potrzebie.blogspot.com/search/label/prank