Your favourite Western

[cactusmaac]

For A Few Dollars More.

[Buzz Dixon]

American Western: RIO BRAVO
Italian Western: ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST

[Shade]

I have several for different reasons.... but if I had to pick ONE overall it would be THE SEARCHERS with HIGH NOON a close second.

[Lubichev]

Gotta go with Unforgiven. High Noon would be next. Paroled to Die coming in 3rd.

[Slam_Bradley]

It fluctuates between The Searchers and Red River.

[Dreadstar]

I... I'm frozen with indecision.

Do I go with the classic Wastern like Red RIver or The Searchers?

Do I go with the popular big 60's movie like Big Jake, or Rio Lobo/El Dorado or the War Wagon?

Do I go with the great humor westerns like Cat Ballou or McClintock or Support Your local Gunfighter/Sheriff?

Do I go with the Spaghetti brand like High Plains Drifter or The Good, Bad and Ugly?


PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME CHOOSE!

[davids]

There are exceptions of couse, great movies like High noon, Shane, ride the high country,cat balou [comedy] the wild bunch, winchester 73, bend of the river, unforgiven [1960 burt lancaster]. and manny more. Both large and small. and of couse newer ones like, dancing with wolves, tombstone. and unforgiven clint eastwood.

Other old westerns, the westerner, tumbel weeds[silent william s hart] my darling clemintine, gunfight at the ok corral.

But when you talk westerns you always begin and end with the Duke

True grit, red river, rio bravo, the man who shot liberty valence, tall in the saddle, sons of katy elder, big jake, cowboys[mr chips out west] stage coach, [first adult western] the cavery thriology, fort apache, she wore a yellow ribon, rio grand, angel and the badman, mcclintock [comedy] and many more.

But the greatest of all was the searchers. The movie that inspired Star wars. Wayne plays a racist close to the edge of madness. His whole life is consumed by hate. His hatred of indians, for being on the losing side in the cival war, for the brother who married the only woman he ever could love. His hated is all consuming, it's what he lives on. He even plans on killing his kid napped niece because she was living with a buck.

One reviewer wrote "If you don't think wayne couldn't be scary watch him in the Searchers. That is how a real mad man acts."

Hard subject for the late fifties. The movie got bad reviews. Being called raw and disgusting. It is considered today as one of the greates of american movies.

Side note On deep space nine today they will be playing the eposode of Nog living in a halo program. In it he is watching shane on tv. he tuns it off and tells Nick Fontaine, "Good movie, but I like the searchers better!'

Fontaine,"Who doesn't!"

See even in the 24th century they know that the Duke is the true king of the western!

[acagle7]

My favorite western is A Fistful Of Dollars.

[Ryan K]

The Outlaw Josey Wales.

I'm a big western fan though and it's hard to pick just one. A Fistful of Dollars, The Searchers, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, Unforgiven, Silverado, The Wild Bunch . . .

[SoulOnIce]

The Wild Bunch
Unforgiven
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
The Hired Hand

[EZMOHR]

I don't know if it considered a Western as much as a fantasy, but
THE LIFE AND TIMES OF JUDGE ROY BEAN

After that I would go with
The Outlaw Josey Wales
Once Upon a Time in the West
Shane
The Magnificent Seven

[GremlinClr]

I can't pick just one. In no particular order:


Unforgiven
Young Guns
True Grit
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance


That's all that come to mind at the moment.

[SteelTownr]

I will watch the Outlaw Josey Wales any time it is on.

Lonesome Dove is good beyond all belief.

John Wayne is the King here and some of the ones mentioned are tops on my list, but I am going to throw out The Shootist, since it hasn't been been brought up and should be on anyones list.

Mark B.

[Joe Rice]

Hard to beat the Searchers.

[davids]

Great movie and mad did a great send up. after the final shoot out the boy askes i thought you wanted to get killed. why did you kill every body?

Wayne, "Force of habit!"

The frisco kid with wilder and ford about the jewish rabbi travelling west was a very good western comedy. it could have been great. wayne was suposed to play the Ford part. But the producers wanted wayne to take a pay cut! Imagine asking the all time box office champ to take a pay cut?

That would have been a great role for the duke and a really fun movie. I hate the idea of computer generated actors. But i really would be vewry interested in seeing that movie redone with wayne in the ford part. be warned folk that day is comming.

vr sets then vr actors!

[Phoney Bone]

Blazing Saddles

[GUYANATHUGG]

I like Tombstone, The Good, The Bad and The Ugly and Young Guns.

[Forefinger]

For a Fistfull Of Dollars
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.

Just about all of Clint's westerns...

[Dennis K]

I'll pretty much put down the remote and watch any Clint Eastwood western when I come across it (with the exception of Two Mules For Sister Sarah ), and for some reason I really enjoyed both Young Guns movies. I almost forgot to mention Tombstone and Wyatt Earp

[Shade]

I'll pretty much put down the remote and watch any Clint Eastwood western when I come across it (with the exception of Two Mules For Sister Sarah ), and for some reason I really enjoyed both Young Guns movies.

Both of the Young Guns movies are just fun western romps moreso for the fun chemistry between the actors involved.

[Greg Hatcher]

I like almost every one named in the thread, to be honest; but when you say "favorite" instead of "best" I have to go with this one.

http://www.laserdisken.dk/billeder/forsidealm/1057534676164132.jpg

I just really like it. I am very fond of the book it's based on and this is one of those rare times when the movie was an improvement on the book, and the casting was just superb. It's never going to make anybody's "ten best" list but mine, but nevertheless, it is my favorite Western.

[EZMOHR]

You know I forgot to mention the Kevin Costner Wyatt Earp (no snickers there.) I liked it and thought it was great. A very informative movie about a cool character in American History. Not the most overly accurate historical movie ever, but a good one none-the-less.

[Bakema NL]

Once upon a time in the west.

I must have seen this one over a 100 times. Best western...hell, best movie ever, best filmscore ever, most beautiful woman ever............I love everything about this movie, stuff like this is not made anymore.

[Jared]

Unforgiven. I never got the big deal about Clint Eastwood until I saw that movie. Years later, I'm still utterly convinced he could a man through sheer force of will.

[Watchman]

The Good, The Bad And The Ugly is most definitely the best. The final duel is one of the best shot scenes ever. It is my favorite movie.

Then there's the rest of the Dollars Trilogy and Once Upon A Time In The West and Wild Bunch and Unforgiven.

[Venoman]

Butch cassidy and the Sun Dance Kid ... classic film

[Watchman]

Butch cassidy and the Sun Dance Kid ... classic film
Ah yes, I forgot about that one.

[Cherokee Jack]

Rio Bravo.

[SnowTrooper]

Open Range
Wyatt Earp
The Quick and the Dead

[Trystenn]

The Good The Bad and the Ugly
Butch Cassidy And the Sundance Kid.

[xgeek52]

high noon...i put the outlaw josey wales, red river, once upon a time in the west, the unforgiven and the searchers as among the best -- but for me it will always be high noon...

'nuf said... :cool:

[phoenixrising]

My favorite has to be Tombstone, followed closely by The Good, The Bad and the Ugly and The Quick and the Dead. I know these three movies by heart....mostly thanks to my dad and TBS.

[Blueferret]

You know I forgot to mention the Kevin Costner Wyatt Earp (no snickers there.) I liked it and thought it was great. A very informative movie about a cool character in American History. Not the most overly accurate historical movie ever, but a good one none-the-less.

The problem with Wyatt Earp is that it came out 6 months too late. I like Wyatt Earp and thought Quaid did a good job as Doc Holliday, but the movie will always be compared to Tombstone and Val Kilmer absolutely rocked as Holliday.

[Legato]

1. Once Upon A Time In The West
2. THe Man With No Name Trilogy
3. Unforgiven
4. Wyatt Earp: Loved It much better than Tombstone.
5. Purgatory: A perfect blend of supernatural, with out going out thare, and western.

[Grant]

The Wild Bunch
The Good, The Bad and The Ugly
Rio Bravo
High Noon

[Smokin' J]

The Magnificent Seven
Once Upon a Time in the West
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

[davids]

Imagine it all the before mentioned movies and many more! Western tv, great western tv shows. have gun will travel, wagon train, wanted dead or alive[steve mcqueen] hondo, cheyene, sugar foot, batmasterson, maverick gunsmoke[black and white] zane grey theater the many others. shows and movies that have not been seen for 3o years. It will be like brand new shows. Then we can have some orginal programing like the sc-fi channel does.

So old it will be new to most people.

[Dreadstar]

The Magnificent Seven

OK, I don't know why I forgot about this one, but you know what? At this moment in time, I think this is the winner for me.

A rip-off of a Japanese flick? Who cares?

Great great Western.

[Dreadstar]

Imagine it all the before mentioned movies and many more! Western tv, great western tv shows. have gun will travel, wagon train, wanted dead or alive[steve mcqueen] hondo, cheyene, sugar foot, batmasterson, maverick gunsmoke[black and white] zane grey theater the many others. shows and movies that have not been seen for 3o years. It will be like brand new shows. Then we can have some orginal programing like the sc-fi channel does.

So old it will be new to most people.

Death Valley days, too! Rawhide! Bonanza! Woo!

[Nate C.]

Kurosawa's Seven Samurai

and

Cowboy Bebop

and any of the Lone Wolf and Cub movies.

(I like Eastern Westerns.)

[davids]

Death Valley days, too! Rawhide! Bonanza! Woo!
20 mule team, maverick,wild bill hitchock with jingles[andy devine] tales of wells fargo. THE LONE RANGER [and the william tell overture]plus many more western tv shows with stars from the golden age of hollywood. all locked up in vaults, unseen for decades because they are in black and white.

[Watchman]

Cowboy Bebop

That's the only anime I like, at all. The TV show was wicked.

[Venoman]

would any one say city of god was a kind of western?

[Grant]

would any one say city of god was a kind of western?

No. I don't think think anyone would call it a Western.

[Venoman]

i know.. i was just speculating.. i havnt seen it yet.. unfortunatly... but ive seen clips i just thought it had that feel what with the crime and the guns and the gangs and the deserts and all that kaboodle

[Hombre]

John Ford's films, Red River in particular...

Other favorites include Robert Altman's Buffalo Bill and the Indians and the one which inspired my otherwise stupid user name, Hombre, directed by Martin Ritt and based on one of Elmore Leonard's westerns, both starring Paul Newman.

Also, I loved the early 70s revisionist westerns, Little Big Man and Soldier Blue.

[Buzz Dixon]

i know.. i was just speculating.. i havnt seen it yet.. unfortunatly... but ive seen clips i just thought it had that feel what with the crime and the guns and the gangs and the deserts and all that kaboodle
Hmmmm, one could argue CASINO is a Western...

[Buzz Dixon]

Also, I loved the early 70s revisionist westerns, Little Big Man and Soldier Blue.
THE CULPEPPER CATTLE COMPANY is one of the best revisionist Westerns, casting a fresh look on the genre yet adhering to the qualities that made it such a popular form. And McCABE & MRS. MILLER is another Altman film that remains in the Western camp while stretching the definition in all directions.

Not necessarily good films in the sense of being a cohesive whole, but worth watching for the stunning accuracy and attention to period detail, are PAINT YOUR WAGON and the old Deanna Durbin musical, CAN'T HELP SINGING. WAGON faithfully recreates the 1849 Gold Rush while SINGING's wagon train trek is probably the single most accurate depiction of such travel ever done (the movie begins and ends with fluffy musical scenes, however, so only the middle two-thirds has any interest for me).

[Forefinger]

Imagine it all the before mentioned movies and many more! Western tv, great western tv shows. have gun will travel, wagon train, wanted dead or alive[steve mcqueen] hondo, cheyene, sugar foot, batmasterson, maverick gunsmoke[black and white] zane grey theater the many others. shows and movies that have not been seen for 3o years. It will be like brand new shows. Then we can have some orginal programing like the sc-fi channel does.

So old it will be new to most people.
Either Starz or Encore has an all Western channel.

[Cyke]

The Magnificient Seven
Blazing Saddles (yes, I say it counts)
Unforgiven -- the Anti-Western

[Rasputin]

Rio Bravo and Red River

Stagecoach makes the top 3.

[chicainery]

Gotta go with Unforgiven.

Unforgiven is my favourite.

[SteelTownr]

Not a Movie, but other folks have mentioned TV Shows.

Deadwood.

Mark B.

[Grant]

THE CULPEPPER CATTLE COMPANY is one of the best revisionist Westerns, casting a fresh look on the genre yet adhering to the qualities that made it such a popular form. And McCABE & MRS. MILLER is another Altman film that remains in the Western camp while stretching the definition in all directions.

Surprised I didn't mention McCabe & Mrs. Miller, that's one of my favorite movies.

[mgs]

Blazing Saddles (yes, I say it counts)
ya have to. IFC did like a whole week of westerns and they had this documentary on about the nature of 'spaghetti westerns' and a lot of them spoofed the genre too. the one shocking thing I found out was in one movie, it was grittier than anything before and even though it was released in like the 70's, it was very violent and Tarantino's Reservoir Dogs famous cut ear scene was not bad compared to some of the scenes in this one western.

[Phoney Bone]

They may be found in the "Sci-Fi" or "Action" sections...

... but The Road Warrior and Escape From New York are definitly Westerns.

[Buzz Dixon]

Despite being fine films, neither ROAD WARRIOR nor ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK not any of their sequels/prequels are Westerns. Heroes dressed in leather brandishing firearms do not a Western make.

For one thing, both deal with the collapse of society and civil authority. Westerns deal with either a pre-civilized state or the arrival of civilization in such a state.

ROAD HOUSE, on the other hand, is indeed a Western.

[Cyke]

Despite being fine films, neither ROAD WARRIOR nor ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK not any of their sequels/prequels are Westerns. Heroes dressed in leather brandishing firearms do not a Western make.

For one thing, both deal with the collapse of society and civil authority. Westerns deal with either a pre-civilized state or the arrival of civilization in such a state.

ROAD HOUSE, on the other hand, is indeed a Western.

Weirdly enough, that's along the lines of why I keep reading about Unforgiven being the Anti-Western (but still a Western nonetheless).

It was essentially about the end of the Old West style of civilization as they knew it. Times were changing, gunfighters and heroes were disappearing, and Clint Eastwood's character was so pissed at his own God-given talent to be an efficient killer.

You're very right about what makes a movie a Western. I think the reason why Unforgiven was so good was because it was such a creative twist on the criteria that makes a Western.

[Dreadstar]

Star Wars is a western, too. Well, at least until the Death Star shows up near the end.

[cactusmaac]

Weirdly enough, that's along the lines of why I keep reading about Unforgiven being the Anti-Western (but still a Western nonetheless).

It was essentially about the end of the Old West style of civilization as they knew it. Times were changing, gunfighters and heroes were disappearing, and Clint Eastwood's character was so pissed at his own God-given talent to be an efficient killer.

You're very right about what makes a movie a Western. I think the reason why Unforgiven was so good was because it was such a creative twist on the criteria that makes a Western.

You could say the same about The Wild Bunch.

[Buzz Dixon]

Weirdly enough, that's along the lines of why I keep reading about Unforgiven being the Anti-Western (but still a Western nonetheless).

It was essentially about the end of the Old West style of civilization as they knew it. Times were changing, gunfighters and heroes were disappearing, and Clint Eastwood's character was so pissed at his own God-given talent to be an efficient killer.

You're very right about what makes a movie a Western. I think the reason why Unforgiven was so good was because it was such a creative twist on the criteria that makes a Western.
Western films break into three periods: Pre-WWII, post-WWII, and historical.

Pre-WWII Westerns -- even when set in the previous century -- almost always depicted the West as a living, vibrant, contemporary place. Indeed, many B-westerns of the silent and early sound era had automobiles, telephones, and radios.

Post-WWII Westerns -- as well as a number of pre-WWII Westerns -- always have the closing of the West as a major sub-text. It might be viewed as good, it might be viewed as bad, but it always existed in the back of the story. Post-WWII Westerns are about cowboys and Indians facing the end of the life they knew and having to deal with the realities facing them. SHANE is the classic example of this. Even Westerns set in contemporary times -- Roy Rogers B-movies, for example -- acknowledged the primacy of civilization over the freedom and anarchy of the Old West.

The key reason for the break in sub-text during WWII is that before WWII most people in America either lived in rural areas or had recently moved from rural areas. The type of life depicted in the Westerns was one they knew intimately and could relate to directly. After WWII the bulk of the country was either urban or suburban, and the West was seen as a lost time and place to be visited only in nostaligic terms.

Since the late 1970s a new type of Western has begun cropping up, the Western as historical film. Audiences view these films as period pieces no different than they view GLADIATOR or MASTER AND COMMANDER (hmmm, Russel Crowe oughta make a Western...). Many of these films -- UNFORGIVEN being an excellent example -- also have the closing of the West as a sub-text -- but they are primarily viewed by audiences as historical films first, Westerns second.

There have indeed been a handful of contemporary Westerns, stories that are actually set in the contemporary West and deal with traditional themes and values of classic Westerns. ROAD HOUSE is one; it's esserntially a "new marshall in town" story with kung-fu instead of six-guns. EXTREME PREJUDICE with Powers Boothe and Nick Nolte is anotherr even though it substitutes drug dealers, jeeps/helicopters, and machine guns for rustlers, horses, and revolvers.

Sci-fi/Western hybris almost never works; I can't think of a single successful example other than GENE AUTRY AND THE PHANTOM EMPIRE and that serial was recognized as hokey and campy even when it was made. Simple sharing certain visual elements with classic Westerns does not make a sci-fi film a Western.

[LtMarvel]

No one has mentioned my favorite: Silverado

I sat in a theater in Jefferson City when they actually mentioned Jefferson City in the beginning of the movie.

[ponset]

Western Movies:
The Big Country with Gregory Peck and Carroll Baker.
The Man From Laramie with James Stewart.
Naked Spur with James Stewart and Janet Leigh
Tall in the Saddle with John Wayne.
Hondo with John Wayne.
She Wore A Yellow Ribbon with John Wayne.
Fort Apache with John Wayne and Henry Fonda.
There was a Crooked Man with Henry Fonda and Kirk Douglas.
Wild Rovers with William Holden.
Ride the High Country with Randolf Scott and Joel McCrea.
Ballad of Cable Hogue with Jason Robards.
Dirty Dingus McGee with Frank Sinatra.
Support Your Local Sheriff/Gunfighter with James Garner.

TV Shows:
Gunsmoke.
Have Gun, Will Travel.
Bonanza.
Rawhide.
Maverick.
Wagon Train.
Wanted: Dead or Alive.
Magnificent Seven.
Lonesome Dove (mini-series)

Old-Time Radio:
Gunsmoke.
The Six Shooter with James Stewart.
Frontier Gentleman.
Fort Laramie.
Have Gun, Will Travel.
Luke Slaughter of Tombstone.
Lux Radio Theatre/Screen Director's Playhouse. (Both of these shows did a number of radio plays base on western movies.)

[Grant]

Audiences view these films as period pieces no different than they view GLADIATOR or MASTER AND COMMANDER (hmmm, Russel Crowe oughta make a Western...)

He was in The Quick and The Dead.

[Grant]

Star Wars is a western, too. Well, at least until the Death Star shows up near the end.

It's only a matter of time before someone claims The Breakfast Club is a Western.

[Cyke]

It's only a matter of time before someone claims The Breakfast Club is a Western.

What do you mean it's not? You got the unlikely group of heroes coming together to face Sheriff Vernon...

(starts to think of how Sixteen Candles can be a western)

[cactusmaac]

Sci-fi/Western hybris almost never works; I can't think of a single successful example other than GENE AUTRY AND THE PHANTOM EMPIRE and that serial was recognized as hokey and campy even when it was made. Simple sharing certain visual elements with classic Westerns does not make a sci-fi film a Western.

Would ROBOCOP count?

[Cyke]

Now there's a fight. Robocop Vs. Yul Brenner from Westworld.

[Buzz Dixon]

Would ROBOCOP count?
No. Because the gunslinger aspect was not integral to the plot but a macguffin to tip off Robocop's true identity to his son and easily replaceable with any number of other plot devices. Likewise WESTWORLD is not a Western despite Western accoutrments ebcause the plot would have been the same if it had been called ROMANWORLD or MEDIEVALWORLD.

[Greg Hatcher]

i'm surprised no one's brought up Firefly or Serenity yet, when you are talking about SF westerns. Those were, according to the creator, deliberately meant to be "Stagecoach in Space."

[shades of eternity]

although creepy, clint eastwoods high plains drifter was one of my favorites.

It was one of the main reasons I became a deadlands fan.

[cactusmaac]

No. Because the gunslinger aspect was not integral to the plot but a macguffin to tip off Robocop's true identity to his son and easily replaceable with any number of other plot devices. Likewise WESTWORLD is not a Western despite Western accoutrments ebcause the plot would have been the same if it had been called ROMANWORLD or MEDIEVALWORLD.

Well, to me westerns have tended to imply the theme of forces of civilisation doing their best to uphold justice in the face of violent anarchy and lawlessness.

So, in that sense I kind of see Robocop as a Western and heck maybe Batman Begins too.

[Buzz Dixon]

Well, to me westerns have tended to imply the theme of forces of civilisation doing their best to uphold justice in the face of violent anarchy and lawlessness.

So, in that sense I kind of see Robocop as a Western and heck maybe Batman Begins too.
Not necessarily. There are lots of Westerns that do not containt those themes: DANCES WITH WOLVES, McCLINTOCK!, JOHNNY GUITAR being the first three that pop to mind.

A key defining trait of Westerns is that their characters inhabit their landscape. The interaction of humans and the environment is crucial to a film being a Western. Stories set in space or urban environments may share certain themes with Westerns, but they are not true Westerns.

Real hard core purists would insist any Western worthy of the name must occur west of the Mississippi and north of the Rio Grande in U.S. held territory between 1840 and 1880.

[Greg Hatcher]

I'm a purist myself, as defined by Buzz above; though I might fudge the dates a little bit. But I'm interested in this idea that a movie can be a Western without the trappings... I'm getting the sense some of you would define Road House or Outland as Westerns, but not TV shows like, say, Little House on the Prairie.

So here's a question: how much can you subtract and have it still be a "Western"? What does it HAVE TO HAVE to be a Western movie? SF has to have extrapolation. Romance has to have a relationship. What's the "Western" requirement?

[davids]

A modern post war western. "A one arm man gets off the train in black rock population 10. This man is spencer tracy with the tennacity of an avenging angel" By the way The frisco kid with gene wilder and harrison ford was a very good movie. But on amc I found out that wayne was suposed to play the Ford part. But the producers tried to low ball waynes salary. It would have been a great movie and even funnier!

[Buzz Dixon]

My definition is that it must (a) be set in whole or in part in the American West (b) be about a topic that is germaine to the people of that area.

Hence ALICE DOESN'T LIVE HERE ANY MORE is not a Western despite being set in Arizona, nor CASINO (Nevada), nor even BONNIE AND CLYDE (Texas and Oklahoma).

One can do contemporary Westerns, but again they must be about issues germaine to people living in the American West. ROAD HOUSE just barely qualifies, but EXTREME PREJUDICE certainly does.

I've heard arguments for films like IN OLD KENTUCKY and DAVY CROCKETT being Westerns, but while they are certainly stories of the Westward expansion they occur before the rise of the cattle industry (indeed, it might be argued one needs cowboys in order to have a Western, and since there were no cowboys in the sense we are familiar with prior to the 1840s there can be no Westerns set before then, various ittterations of THE ALAMO not withstanding).

[hugh45]

Shane
Good,Bad,and the Ugly
Fistful Of Dollars
Unforgiven
Pale Rider
Blazing Saddle
For A Few Dollars More

[Royal]

Despite being fine films, neither ROAD WARRIOR nor ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK not any of their sequels/prequels are Westerns. Heroes dressed in leather brandishing firearms do not a Western make.

For one thing, both deal with the collapse of society and civil authority. Westerns deal with either a pre-civilized state or the arrival of civilization in such a state.

ROAD HOUSE, on the other hand, is indeed a Western.

Really...when you think about it....Most of John Carpenter's movies are really repackaged westerns.

I mean look....

Assault on Precinct 13/Ghost of Mars is really Rio Bravo/El Dorado
The Fog is a high end Ghost 49er story.
They Live is They Call Me Nobody.
etc.

[Cherokee Jack]

John Ford's films, Red River in particular...



RED RIVER was directed by Howard Hawks.

I listed my favorite western film earlier, but my favorite tv western is MAVERICK.

[davids]

bought the first season 39 shows, today if we get 22 it's a lot.

each show 25 minutes 5 minutes for comericals, today 18 minutes show, 12inutes comericals.

side note gene [someday i will do star trek] Roddenbary wrote about half of them.

[Slam_Bradley]

As for tv westerns...nothing beats Gunsmoke.

[MarvelKnight]

The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Shane
Red Garters
Drums Along the Mohawk
My Name is Nobody
Hang 'em High
The Desperados
How the West Was Won
Branded
My Darling Clementine
Support Your Local Sheriff
Paint Your Wagon
The Apple Dumpling Gang
Warlock
The Tin Star
High Plains Drifter
Bronco Billy
The Shakiest Gun In The West
Lightning Jack

[JonathanMS]

The Outlaw Josey Wales.

[Phoney Bone]

Heroes dressed in leather brandishing firearms do not a Western make.

They aren't Westerns because of what they wear. that's superficial and not at all what I was judging them on as Westerns.

For one thing, both deal with the collapse of society and civil authority. Westerns deal with either a pre-civilized state or the arrival of civilization in such a state.

No. In the Mad Max movies civilization has already collapsed and the post-apocalyptic wasteland is the NEW West that has to be resettled. Lord Humungus is a leader of a band of outlaws trying to steal the gasoline (water in a Western) from the settlers (townfolk). Max is the loner (in this movie, he is a "man with no name") who is their only hope.

WESTERN! :)

[Buzz Dixon]

By that argument ONE MILLION YEARS B.C. is a Western.

[Hombre]

RED RIVER was directed by Howard Hawks.



Right-o. My memory was clouded on that one, sorry.

[Hiromi]

Silverado ranks pretty high up there for me, as well as pretty much any of the multitude John Wayne made, Clint Eastwood too.

[K'Nort]

Stagecoach
Once Upon A Time in the West
Magnificent Seven
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance

At the top: The Wild Bunch


The older my father gets, the more he reminds me of Wayne in The Shootist. He's always talked like him, and still smokes.

http://studentaccess.emporia.edu/~northrup_kristen/sitka/dad2.jpg

[K'Nort]

And this is 13 years old and it still makes me misty.




Shut up.

http://www.cartoonbank.com/assets/1/28801_m.gif

[davids]

With todays stars [in their own minds] demanding a longer trailer than their co-stars and having to have imported french water and pinapples flown in from Tiaite. There was a candid lunch photo of the cast of the man who shot liberty valence having lunch.

They were sitting around one large table having lunch. around that table was John Ford, Jimmy stwert, stroder martain, Lee van cliff, two female actress, edmond obrein[doa], andy devine, lee marvin, woody strode and some body by the name of john wayne.

what a cast and every one seemed to be enjoying their lunch and each other's company. Gone are the stars all we have is no talent spoiled brats today!