Which X-Character Do You Dislike The Most? [Archive]

streator

01-20-2005, 10:26 PM

i dislike jubilee the most.
taking into account lifeguard, tb3, others... jubilee has been a character that has maintained consistent annoyance for over 13 years for me (since i started reading comics). i tried during her place in the xmen, and later in gen x. i just do not like her. lame mutation, lamer robin-esque attitude. the thing that comes to mind more than anything when i think about jubilee is from the first fox xmen cartoon episode. she responds to something saying "does a mall-baby chili fry" or something. i am not exactly sure of the dialogue, but the sound still annoys me. that and the fact that she has aged and de-aged a few times. the last xman? i hope not.

Pepsigirl

01-20-2005, 10:26 PM

I thought Spyke from Evolution was pretty useless.

Doesn't everyone just write him off as the token black guy?

PhoenixBoyX

01-20-2005, 10:32 PM

I love all X-Men. They are all so cool. I dislike none. Yay X-Men!
-Nick. Who goes HEHEHE thinking about...other threads...

Davideaux

01-20-2005, 10:41 PM

Banshee

I hate how his power is manifested. Maybe he'd be better if Forge hit him with the Power Nullifier thing.

Atom_basher

01-21-2005, 04:38 AM

I have to say Storm, she gets way to much credit.

hahaha a little scorned after that little coversation we had about storm. ;) anyhoo i would have to give my vote to polaris, she is VERY annoying

Rasputin

01-21-2005, 07:20 AM

Gambitrogue - I never really cared for either one as individuals but since they can't seemed to be separated from each other at this point, I would be happy to never read another page with them on it.

Valmore

01-21-2005, 07:25 AM

There's not too many that I dislike a lot. Storm only annoys me when Claremont's writing her as the greatest being at everything she does in the entire galaxy. White Queen was great as a bad guy but sucks as a good guy. Wolverine only annoys me in that he's in every damn book all the time and never has a hiatus.

I'll go with Psylocke during her ninja-booby-fanboy-stiffy phase. It was clearly obvious she was meant to get the boys hot and bothered with her thong-up-the-butt and huge hooters that most Asian women don't tend to grow.

The Lucky One

01-21-2005, 07:33 AM

It was clearly obvious she was meant to get the boys hot and bothered with her thong-up-the-butt and huge hooters that most Asian women don't tend to grow.

They do if they've been to a Body Shoppe!
:D

Personally, I've never ever seen the point of Nate Grey. Cable was ill-conceived in the first place, and while he's gotten better with time, I reeeeeally didn't see the need for another one of him; it came across to me as the ultimate sales-driven, no-reason-to-exist, creativity-lacking "Cable's popular, let's give him another book! Kinda!" move. So we get yet another ultimately powerful telepath/telekinetic (Legion was busy?), who wears a questionable costume, whines constantly, and doesn't do much of anything for about 60 issues.

I like most X-characters, and even Nate Grey had some good stories, but I'm not sorry he's dead. Apologies to any fans of his, though.
;)

-D

Christopher O

01-21-2005, 10:59 AM

fishtaco

01-21-2005, 12:48 PM

Wow, let's see: Havok (especially under Austen), Gambit, Sage, Cannonball, Husk, Longshot, Cable (except under Weinberg), Rachel (again, except under Weinberg), Beast (well, he's a favorite now, but he was my least favorite pre-Morrison/Quitely)

jeez..

I hate Emma more than any other comic book character. She is even worse than Superman, and that is saying quite a lot.

o and Wolverine. this is partially why I hate Astonishing.

pirulaso

01-21-2005, 01:55 PM

angel. he was ok before but now i just dont care. he seems...........bland.

Lily Chou-Chou

01-21-2005, 01:59 PM

Gambit : the nineties cliché par excellence. Boring boring boring...

DDM

01-21-2005, 02:11 PM

Gambit
Wolverine (overexposed)
Rogue (she used to be one of my favorite characters, but too many writers messed her up along the way. Claremont needs to get her back in his books)
Emma Frost (I like her as the White Queen of the Hellfire Club better than X-Man; oddly, she's still a favorite character. I just dislike her as a hero.)
Cable
X-23 (Wolverine clone)

bagheera

01-21-2005, 02:30 PM

Nightcrawler

01-21-2005, 02:35 PM

Emma Frost- better villian
Polaris- a good Magneto
Cable- God powers
X-23- gimme a break...

Catalyst

01-21-2005, 02:44 PM

Bishop --never got the point of him
Psylocke --she always seemed more costume than character

I suppose there aren't any I actually dislike as much as I don't see any meaningful use for them. They don't add anything to the storylines for me.

i think Bishop has found his place in the world (finally) as a cop in District X. before that, he was here to expose the traitor to the X-men.

Psylocke; i preferred pre-transformation british Betsy. she was a pleasant addition to Storm's team (they needed a telepath) and no more pointless than any of the others, imo. i'm not much for the ninja psylocke though. it should be quite uncomfortable fighting in that get-up of hers.

Catalyst

01-21-2005, 03:04 PM

most characters, no matter how annoying, have potential. it's more how you use them, than who they are. look at Mammomax. he's got a cool look but he had the misfortune of being created and written by Chuck Austen for his strange Brotherhood of Directionless-Mutants. even then, he was obnoxious in an excusable way and might be fun to see in the future (as a guest-appearance).

anyways...

characters i don't like:

Thunderbird III - i really see no reason for him to exist. i hate his relationship with Psylocke. i hate that version of Psylocke. i hate that he stole a name from the proudstar brothers that has nothing to do with his own powers. that said, i wouldn't mind him as much if he had a different codename (maybe different/less generic powers). i like that he's indian. there's a place for him in Xavier's X-Corp. and the psylocke bit has more to do with me prefering her in her original british form.

Beak - i seriously want to beat his brains in. but mainly because Morrison forced him into the spotlight in an obnoxious way. i want to vomit whenever i think about he and Angel having maggot babies and being part of 'Magneto's' special ed brotherhood. and him being an Exile was the final straw for me. but i wouldn't mind him if he were just another student at the school, didn't have maggot babies, and generally wasn't so overexposed.

Angel - she should be incinerated. why did we need another 'Angel?' why did she need to have one of the most disgusting mutant powers around? there's no way i could ever accept her.

the Neo, the Goth, etc - i stopped reading X-titles when those freaks came out of the woodwork. what's the point of introducing the step-beyond-homo superior, besides making alpha mutants seem less special? and i just shudder to think of Kitty Pryde being one of them.

Karima - there's just something about her that i don't like. i can't put my finger on it. maybe it's the art.

Wildchild - there was a point at which i found him amusing. then i just pitied him. now i wonder why he was created. i don't like the name 'wildchild.' i don't like the name 'wildheart.' his origin(s) confuse me. his powers have been done to death. he replaced Wolfsbane in X-Factor. but i wouldn't mind it at all if he were just created for the Weapon X title. his look was a little less bland in that one/he wasn't min-sabretooth.

Cecilia Reyes - i could stomach her as just some random member of Xavier's Underground but i never saw a point to her. she wasn't chockful of backstory or personality. and what was with her drug addiction?

The Conquering Hero

01-21-2005, 03:27 PM

Jack Flash

01-21-2005, 03:33 PM

I will vote for Tbird III, his name was ridiculous to me and he just drove me nuts.

Mariah

01-21-2005, 05:09 PM

Why does he even exist? He represents everything wrong with the X-books (yes I know, quite a generalization).

It seems like Claremont grabbed everything HE thought was cool, hip and "in", and there you have it, instant Gambit.

Zap him already.
Jim Lee came up with the concept of Gambit, he gave him his powers, he gave him his costume, the only thing Claremont did was make him from Louisiana and give him his accent, and his suave'ness with the ladies:P.

Fixx

01-21-2005, 05:27 PM

I never really liked cyclops...
just cant deal with goody goody boyscout/trying to be a bad by leaving your wife for another chick types...

EmmaFrostSlavingFanBoy

01-21-2005, 05:31 PM

Gambit. I mean his powers are really lame and he's stupid. I get tired of his Rouge love affiar.

I also don't like Havoc. Dumb. I mean why does he exist? He's a crappy leader and no one really respects him.

Why the hate for Emma? I mean she's the smartest one. She's great because she's no goody two-shoes.

She's manipulative, crafty, and scheming and beautiful. I'm hoping she permanently gets between Scott and Jean and then dumps Scott. That would be cool. She then can become a sexual predator like Lindsay Nagle.

GOODY B LOVE

01-21-2005, 05:37 PM

Angel, He Bring Nothing To Table. He The Last X-men I Would WANT To Have My Back IN A FIGHT.

Nightcrawler

01-21-2005, 05:40 PM

Angel, He Bring Nothing To Table. He The Last X-men I Would WANT To Have My Back IN A FIGHT.

What about Paint?

Schellenberg

01-21-2005, 08:59 PM

Okay, 'cause at least maybe a few of ya were waiting for it:

COLOSSUS.

Why? Because he's a huge, dumb lump whose repellant ultimate purpose is (or will be) to lower Kitty's IQ. "D'oh, he my MAN!"/"I her MAN." Oh, yick. Yick yick yick.

Ultimate Colossus is okay. I just don't quite understand how a gay Jewish fellow got so far in the Russian Mafia. Okay, okay: he's got 48-inch biceps. And he's optionally steel-plated. I guess I do understand. (Ultimate C reminds me a little of Vin Diesel's character in "Knockaround Guys.")

But, to borrow a phrase, I digress. COLOSSUS. Regular-universe COLOSSUS. Ish. Two-hundred-and-eighty to eight-hundred pounds of ISH.

xakko

01-21-2005, 09:04 PM

Put me squarely in the "Emma" column.

Like Kitty, she's the definition of "evil" to me. Stuck up. A snob. Sadistic. Has no motivation that isn't immediately suspect. It's almost like she hooked up with the X-men because they were the winning side, more often than not, or at least would allow her to remain in a position of influence. Just like

Yes, Emma, you do rate below a corpse.

Charagon

01-21-2005, 09:07 PM

Angel. I liked him when he was blue and metally, but now he's just lame.

ChoasMAC

01-21-2005, 09:10 PM

fishtaco

01-21-2005, 09:15 PM

god, why all the hate for Gambit?

streator

01-21-2005, 09:17 PM

Thunderbird 3: Why use that name again for anyone but Warpath?

The Neo: I too stoped for a brief period because of these P.O.S. I only picked up issues that Raney drew. Didn't understand a thing.

Shatterstar: Don't get me wrong I was raised on the whole X-Force series. He just struck my as boring. He was good as a buddy to Rictor, a few of the Shattershot annual crossover were decent, but all in all ..blah. The whole Mojo thing gets boring after a few issues.

Callisto/Spacemutantthing: It just looks WRONG!!!! Who would have sex with that? :rolleyes:
supposedly marvel used thunderbird for neal sharra to keep the licensing of the name. claremont wanted agni or something.
the neo sucked, i agree.
i also grew up on shatterstar, but i liked him. he was my favorite x-forcer. i see now that theres not much to him outside of what made him appealing for me as a 9 or 10 year old: he has swords, kills, is a badass.
callisto with tentacles, i too do not understand. it was good for kordey to draw phallic images, but now? i dont really see a purpose.

another comment, im not surprised to see all the gambit/angel/havok hatred, although the three characters are some of my favorites. what i find surprising is no one else agrees with me about jubilee.

Rachel Grey

01-21-2005, 09:17 PM

god, why all the hate for Gambit?

Jealousy :p

The only bad thing I can say about Remy is the Ultimate Boof. :D

Catalyst

01-21-2005, 09:54 PM

supposedly marvel used thunderbird for neal sharra to keep the licensing of the name. claremont wanted agni or something.
the neo sucked, i agree.
i also grew up on shatterstar, but i liked him. he was my favorite x-forcer. i see now that theres not much to him outside of what made him appealing for me as a 9 or 10 year old: he has swords, kills, is a badass.
callisto with tentacles, i too do not understand. it was good for kordey to draw phallic images, but now? i dont really see a purpose.

another comment, im not surprised to see all the gambit/angel/havok hatred, although the three characters are some of my favorites. what i find surprising is no one else agrees with me about jubilee.

Jubilee lost her charm after Generation X ended, imo. i don't want to see her again unless Synch and Skin magically come back to life and join the others for the Gen X reunion special.

Catalyst

01-21-2005, 09:56 PM

J Harper

01-21-2005, 11:27 PM

Cable. Always annoyed the hell out of me, and I dearly wished to see his head get blown off. I can't believe I collected X-Force as long as I did. My only excuse is that I was young and dumb.

I'm not very enamoured with Wolverine, either.

Cheers,

Jeremy Harper

Sharcque

01-21-2005, 11:37 PM

OK --- I read the Neo issues, and I thought they were ok. No great love for them, but why does everyone hate them. Educate me, and maybe I'll jump on the bandwagon. :D

Flight

01-22-2005, 02:58 AM

I dislike Iceman

DDM

01-22-2005, 08:03 AM

god, why all the hate for Gambit?

Marvel revealed his origin too fast & hooked up with Rogue way too soon (if at all). He became a convoluted character with numerous 90's limited series then given two ongoing series. I still like the Chris Claremont Gambit when he was a mysterious figure, yet Storm trusted him completely with her life. The other X-Men were not so open for Gambit being an X-Man. Gambit is overexposed & now is a whiny character with no real substance or mystery anymore.

At least that's why I don't like Gambit today. Claremont made Gambit mysterious in X-Treme X-Men, but Austen ruined his character. He is salvagable. However, Gambit must be given to a competent writer & editorial team. Marvel has very few competent editors today.

Valmore

01-22-2005, 11:44 AM

god, why all the hate for Gambit?

Because people have no souls. :p

I think it's funny how people call him a cliche, especially since most characters have cliches about them. Angel's a spoiled rich kid. Beast's a brainy nerd. Cyclops is a boy scout. Iceman was the class clown. All cliches.

I also find it silly that people think his powers are "stupid." How much more stupid then, say, shooting force blasts from one's eyes? Or being able to turn moisture into ice? Or having a healing factor that can save your ass from anything the writers want to? I mean, this isn't actual science folks - they're fictional powers. Hell, making things blow up seems pretty useful to me. Rock in the way? *BOOM* Need a weapon? Charge up something, throw it and instant BOOM-BOOM.

Now the loads of bad writing surrounding Gambit... yeah, that I understand. It was stupid to make him angst-boy when he was a carefree kind of guy when introduced. The Rogue relationship that won't die. The whole "making him the guy eho rounded up the Morlocks" thing. Those sucked.

tjarvis

01-22-2005, 11:57 AM

There is one thing I will say about Gambit.

Now while I'm a comic whore, most of my friends have never even looked at a comic book for the most part. But they do have a passing knowledge of the X-Men via the old cartoons, osmosis, the new movies, etc.

And the one character the majority of them seem to like is Gambit. So clearly there's something in the character that appeals to main stream sensibility.

fishtaco

01-22-2005, 12:13 PM

Gambit just makes the action great. It was awesome when in UXM 361 when he rode the motorcycle off the building and over Juggernaut, and threw all those cards at him.

and yes, Austen temporarily ruined him with the blinding thing, but he look cool, cool power, cool extra powers (red eyes/charm), interestin history,

I actually would love to see him fight Sinister. The cajun thing is cool. its just great stuff. I love Gambit for the same reason why I love Lonsghot, Callisto, and Domino.

Iceman4v

01-22-2005, 12:17 PM

Gambit is the reason I started reading the comics back in the day. If you want to hate someone hate that worthless Storm, shes a glory hog, there are so many other X-men that can handle what she does but they always give her the "camera time" so to speak

pirulaso

01-22-2005, 12:37 PM

when i watched the cartoon, i liked gambit cause he talked funny and had a trenchcoat.

pirulaso

01-22-2005, 12:41 PM

I never really liked cyclops...
just cant deal with goody goody boyscout/trying to be a bad by leaving your wife for another chick types...

it was deppressing to see the marriage didnt work out. i always had this ideal look of cyclops (and the x-men for that matter) but it he is bein really lame right now.

HarrisonJohn

01-22-2005, 01:48 PM

Wolverine: I hate the assumption that he has to be in an X book for anyone to care, and he's boring anyway.
Rachel Grey: I love Jean but I've always found Rachel annoying and I don't care for women with short hair.
Jubilee: Has the stink of a character created just for the cartoon version, even though she wasn't, like that stupid robot from Fantastic Four.

HarrisonJohn

01-22-2005, 01:49 PM

Put me squarely in the "Emma" column.

Like Kitty, she's the definition of "evil" to me. Stuck up. A snob. Sadistic. Has no motivation that isn't immediately suspect.

I LOVE those qualities! :)

Cephus

01-22-2005, 03:55 PM

Why the hate for Emma? I mean she's the smartest one. She's great because she's no goody two-shoes.

She's manipulative, crafty, and scheming and beautiful. I'm hoping she permanently gets between Scott and Jean and then dumps Scott. That would be cool. She then can become a sexual predator like Lindsay Nagle.

Why do you think there's anything remotely good in all of that? If I ever knew anyone like that, I'd tell the bitch to take a hike. Emma is reprehensible, cheap, shallow and a slut. She serves as little more than T&A for X-fanboys.

sir_snikt'alot

01-22-2005, 04:11 PM

i like all the x-men characters,why read it if you dont like it?

cyclops-yeah hes a pencil neck,but at least theyve given him a darker edge these days.
wolverine-over exposed,yeah,great character,yeah,reason for hating-jumping on the bandwagon.
gambit-how can u hate gambit?
rogue-one of the coolest female super heros ever.

ChoasMAC

01-22-2005, 04:26 PM

waittaminute. are you saying that you would have slept with her pre-tentacles? ewww. she's sewer people. j/k :)

Ha, you have me there man! But in my defense, I only sleep with sewer people when I'm REALLY hard-up.

Oh yeah and Streator, I too dislike Jubilee. It just seemed redundent to say it. Angel and pre-morrison Cyclops (oh man I'm going to hated for that) are in there too, but they are to easy to mention. Screw it, lets just have an X-men Dissasembled and kill a bunch off. Then we can put Spiderman on the team. Yeah that will solve it!

Squila Lord

01-22-2005, 04:28 PM

Cyclops wins -er loses- hands down!

wingsofdamnation

01-22-2005, 10:24 PM

but id say that the x person i like the least would have to be... shadowcat. really shes a pain in the ass and doesnt do anything. whoopty doo she can walk threw walls but how does that help her in a fight really. she doesnt really have any fighting skills shes just hey look at me im walking threw a wall. the only credit i can give her is when she saved the x-men in days of future past

Ryan K

01-22-2005, 10:47 PM

heretic

01-23-2005, 08:05 AM

Jim Lee came up with the concept of Gambit, he gave him his powers, he gave him his costume, the only thing Claremont did was make him from Louisiana and give him his accent, and his suave'ness with the ladies:P.True enough, and he only got toxically annoying after he left and he became Rogue's Enabler.

That being said, she can be (and was) readily salvaged. He cannot.

HTG

protege

01-23-2005, 08:45 AM

supposedly marvel used thunderbird for neal sharra to keep the licensing of the name. claremont wanted agni or something.
the neo sucked, i agree.
i also grew up on shatterstar, but i liked him. he was my favorite x-forcer. i see now that theres not much to him outside of what made him appealing for me as a 9 or 10 year old: he has swords, kills, is a badass.
callisto with tentacles, i too do not understand. it was good for kordey to draw phallic images, but now? i dont really see a purpose.

another comment, im not surprised to see all the gambit/angel/havok hatred, although the three characters are some of my favorites. what i find surprising is no one else agrees with me about jubilee.
So why weren't they using "Thunderbird" for Thunderbird?

Psyche

01-23-2005, 10:51 AM

I'll do a list of whom I hate in current incarnation. Please note: all of these characters I actually used to LIKE!

Rogue
Gambit
Storm
Havok
Polaris
Beast
Cable
Psylocke (right before she died, then cheating and reading that issue on milehighcomics.com)
Banshee (the whole drinking and X-Corps was just so badly written)

And thse characters I always hated
Psylocke
Cyclops (but he is fun to hate!)

OmniGamer

01-24-2005, 05:43 AM

For the LONGEST time, I hated Psylocke! Why? NXM 20, and that sucker-punch(psi-knife) when Jean confronted her about her flirtations with Scott. And it wasn't until a couple of years ago that i read the issue when they actually reconciled(NXM 39?)...plus Jean knocked the psychic stuffing out of her on the astral plane, so that helped *grin*

Gambit, though i don't "hate" him, I care absolutely nothing for. He just has that contrived "manufactured cool" about him...trench coat, glow eyes, "blow s**t up" powers, scruffy "badass" looks, etc.

I don't hate Rachel either, at least not directly, but she gets a lot of indirect hate from me due to the fact that the WRITERS tend to make her usurp Jean. Alan Davis i'm looking at you *piercing glare*

I hate Arcade...just a boring boring BORING "villain" to me.

I hate the over exposuring of Wolverine, and whenever he's written as a "p*ss in the face of danger" unstoppable, all odds against a little shrimp of a man but always comes out on top, one-dimensional one man army...when he's written with depth and nobility, he's a good character.

Most of all though, I hate the retcon-spawned PHOENIX FORCE...what a great idea it was to turn an inert FORCE into a sentient, whiny, clingy, high-maintenence attention whore of a cosmic crow? Go sit on an egg you character-ruining machination of pure evil! My poor Jean had to suffer through a decade plus of "it wasn't me" denials and power restrictions...thank God Claremont and Morrison pretty much put things as back to normal as possible.

Oh, and boo Emma! Someone should turn her into a set of expensive diamond ash trays.

Vegetarian Goat

01-24-2005, 07:57 AM

I am most pleased that no one's picked Dazzler as their "most disliked". It restores my faith in humanity. :D

chemicalx

01-24-2005, 08:21 AM

Most Hated - Angel I never liked warren and he has done very little to change my opinion. Dont really see the point in having him on a team except for financial support

Iceman - Over rated and usually slack although I will say i liked him in AoA but thats about it

Cyclopes & Emma - speaks for itself

on another note Im glad there arent a lot of storm and bishop haters :D they are my favorite

HellFrost

01-24-2005, 08:39 AM

She's manipulative, crafty, and scheming and beautiful. I'm hoping she permanently gets between Scott and Jean and then dumps Scott. That would be cool. She then can become a sexual predator like Lindsay Nagle.
just give up now... i did a while ago... just keep in mind that there are fans out there... even if one of them makes me hate her wenever he posts...

and as for me... PHOENIX FORCE! not Jean i positively adore Jean, but i feel that the phoenix force has totally fucked with her character... i mean it was great in the beginning but now its annoying as shit, i want her to come back w/o the phoenix.

i used to dislike Ray and Scott, but they have grown on me... 'cept for Scotts infadlity issues...

OmniGamer

01-24-2005, 09:06 AM

Good, another vote for the PHOENIX FORCE :)

MrHymes01

01-24-2005, 09:14 AM

cyclops... why can't he die for change...

Henry T.

01-24-2005, 09:23 AM

I also agree that the Phoenix Force as its own sentient entity was a horrible idea.

However, Jean as Phoenix, is a great concept. The Phoenix should have stayed as an aspect of Jean's power progression and iconic imagery. The Phoenix is best when portrayed as Jean's iconic imagery and a natural part of her powers like during most of the original saga and in the beginning of Revolution. New X-Men was ok because they tied it to Jean's mutation and gave her a special status among other avatars. Rachel also currently manifests phoenix imagery as a natural part of her powers.

The Phoenix as being born when Jean bonded with an abstract force of primal passion was also ok. Making it, its very own character only diluted Jean and the original story. Even though Endsong is good I have no idea why they chose to make the story about the force as a character again. After recent years there was no need to go back to that.

Rachel, Maddie, Cable, Nate, and Stryfe were also bad ideas.

Maddie and Rachel should never have been created. If Claremont and the editors wanted to make Jean 2.0 and Jean Lite he should have just resurrected Jean.

Did Cable really have to be revealed as baby Nathan and have tp/tk? Was it really necessary for him to also have a clone and an alternate reality counterpart?

I'm not a fan of clones or alternate reality time lost children characters.

Grendel0606

01-24-2005, 09:27 AM

I also agree that the Phoenix Force as its own sentient entity was a horrible idea.

Maddie and Rachel should never have been created. If Claremont and the editors wanted to make Jean 2.0 and Jean Lite he should have just resurrected Jean.
.
Well, he wasn't allowed to, was he?
I liked Maddie (before they turned her evil to maky Jean and Scott more saintly) and RAchel a lot in their day, but now i tend to agree. it would have beenb etter not to have them at all or to have Maddie have been a reborn Phoenix without powers (their happy ending so to speak, and no cocoon woman showing up)

Henry T.

01-24-2005, 10:02 AM

I think Maddie sooo was resurrected Jean in Claremont's eyes at first. It was like *wink* *nudge* This is Jean Grey but we can't officially say so. And since she would have been a reincarnation so to speak, on a level she was a new character.

But even though the editors at that time wouldn't have allowed him to bring Jean back, as soon as they knew about his plans to introduce two characters who looked like Jean and who had mysterious connections to Jean and one of whom would have Jean's powers and iconic imagery.....

They should have just scrapped that and brought her back. They eventually brought her back anyways. Bringing her back as a separate character from Jean/Phoenix and Maddie was really a bad idea. Then we had Jean, Phoenix Force, Phoenix/Dark Phoenix, Maddie, and Rachel-- All with wierd connections to each other which had to be explained.

I'm not saying that Maddie and Rachel and the Nates aren't or couldn't be good characters in their own right or that they didn't or couldn't be enjoyable and have some potential as characters. I know they have their fans, I just wish that they hadn't been created in the first place.

Having one version of a character is enough, imo. For a while there, it seemed like there was going to be one Phoenix (Jean) and one Nathan (Cable) but Oh Well. lol

But serioulsy eventually they will have to be changed to differentiate them from their other counterparts/versions.

Look what happened to Maddie when Jean came back.

Look what happened to Jean because of the force retcon, Maddie, and even Rachel having her special imagery.

Shaman Nate was probably necessary to get him away from his destiny to deal with Apocalypse since that was Cable's thing. (Though I guess that whole thing was kinda butchered anyways. lol)

And now Look at poor Rachel Grey! She may have Jean's Marvel Girl identity and Phoenix Eye Effect but she is currently depicted as profoundly inexperienced and immature.

And I seriously think these changes were made to differentiate her personality and imagery from current Jean Grey/Phoenix. I bet 'cha.

When you have so many Like and Derivative characters, how each character is portrayed in imagery and personality really does effect the others and how they are portrayed, IMHO. And their stories can greatly effect each other too. Thats what I don't like.

Grendel0606

01-24-2005, 10:10 AM

I think Maddie sooo was resurrected Jean in Claremont's eyes at first. It was like *wink* *nudge* This is Jean Grey but we can't officially say so.
Seemed to me that Claremont utterly couldn't make up his mind on that one. on the one hand I got the same vibe as you - with the uncanny parallels to Jean it seemed like Claremont was telling the reader ' of course it's her - but don't tell Shooter!'. On the other hand he kept on stressing that Maddie was her own person.

Cephus

01-24-2005, 10:57 AM

However, Jean as Phoenix, is a great concept. The Phoenix should have stayed as an aspect of Jean's power progression and iconic imagery. The Phoenix is best when portrayed as Jean's iconic imagery and a natural part of her powers like during most of the original saga and in the beginning of Revolution. New X-Men was ok because they tied it to Jean's mutation and gave her a special status among other avatars. Rachel also currently manifests phoenix imagery as a natural part of her powers.

Jean as Phoenix was a great story. It was a story. Stories end. Someone PLEASE tell the writers this! STOP TELLING THE STORY AND MOVE ON!

Rachel, Maddie, Cable, Nate, and Stryfe were also bad ideas.

All were examples of retelling the same damn story over and over and over. I'm really tired of the "character from an alternate future who can't get home" nonsense too.

Trulyures

01-24-2005, 04:58 PM

I really like Gean Gray that's if u spell her name, but a lot of people says she sucks : (

Faded

04-22-2006, 01:54 AM

Aside from, like 5 or so characters, I've come to the conclusion that I really don't hate or really dislike many characters--its more that I'd rather read other characters than them (seeing as how I grow fond of characters easily).

I dislike Rachel, Cable (only read his appearances in X-Men, X-Force, and New Mutants though), X-Man, Sage, and hero Juggernaut. There's probably more but I'm in a cheerful mood right now. :D Slightly buzzed and partially an insomniac at the mo.

d newton

04-22-2006, 04:30 AM

Making things blow up seems pretty useful to me. Rock in the way? *BOOM* Need a weapon? Charge up something, throw it and instant BOOM-BOOM.
Meltdown does the same thing and no-one complains about her AFAIK.

It was stupid to make him angst-boy when he was a carefree kind of guy when introduced. The Rogue relationship that won't die. The whole "making him the guy who rounded up the Morlocks" thing. Those sucked.
To you, maybe. To the Gambit fans, no.

As for my 5:
1 Colossus.
2 Iceman.
3 Phoenix IV.
4 Polaris.
5 Wolverine.

twilight

04-22-2006, 04:50 AM

Tie for first place between Cable,Domino and Shatterstar.

Zombienorthstar

04-22-2006, 05:26 AM

Gambit...he just is a cleiche.

Plus his powers dont excite me.

Sentinel K

04-22-2006, 05:28 AM

Gambit...he just is a cleiche.

Plus his powers dont excite me.

Bang. You dead.

Marty4Magik

04-22-2006, 06:03 AM

Aside from, like 5 or so characters, I've come to the conclusion that I really don't hate or really dislike many characters--its more that I'd rather read other characters than them (seeing as how I grow fond of characters easily)

Same here. It all depends on the story too.

For example, I never really liked Storm...but during her mohawk period, I really liked her. A lot. Then it died down again....found her interesting when she planned the X-treme team, then died down again.

The only character I can think of that I really never liked is Marrow....

xakko

04-22-2006, 06:11 AM

Hellion has probably supplanted Emma as my least favorite X-person.

Tho', and I don't know if this has happened to anyone else, but I have developed a mild dislike to some characters based on some of their more rabid fans. It's a crappy reason, but there it is.

Novaya Havoc

04-22-2006, 06:35 AM

Sage. Sage will forever and always be my least favorite.

david r

04-22-2006, 07:54 AM

I don't dislike them per se, but I have little interest in:

Iceman
Angel
Havok
Polaris
Marrow
Cecelia Reyes
X-23
Dazzler

Fats Tuesday

04-22-2006, 07:59 AM

Storm, Gambit, and Rachel

Meta 05

04-22-2006, 08:32 AM

Its going to be Wolverine .I have said it before an i will say it again i like growth an characterization.I don't see that with logan, every time we have a shocking mini it always goes right back to something to do with his passed "weapon X' thats sleep inducing an i am tired of it.Its over an done with lets see Logan grow an do something, people change in time so should he.I think despite his age being retarded he should start to get some older hobbys an interests,maybe remember some form of teaching he did in the passed as a scholar after HOM an see him acctually teaching a class that isn't about centering around him being the shallow butt kicker he has been made out to be.

MY other problem with wolverine is the over exposure.I go to the comic shop an see someone pick up anb issue of something only for the wolverine appearence.Even if its only him on the couch in the avengers mansion sipping bear have to get it cause he is in it.

EX ::FAN boy IN three sizes to tight wolverine t shirt that shows off his manboobs::"OH sweety wolvies in this, i have to get it just cause"

I think that sums up my disdain of all things wolverine

Volk1

04-22-2006, 09:17 AM

Easy. Martha Johansson. A freakin' floating brain was left powered while numerous quality mutants were killed off/depowered.

A brain. In a jar. On a chain. Powered.

*wink*

Mariah

04-22-2006, 10:02 AM

Easy. Martha Johansson. A freakin' floating brain was left powered while numerous quality mutants were killed off/depowered.

A brain. In a jar. On a chain. Powered.

*wink*
Yay!!! Someone else who feels like i do.

All of the characters Morrison created. All of the characters that Austen created. there are more, but i'm gonna stick with these for now.

punisher_ryu

04-22-2006, 01:49 PM

colossus should die. so annoying.

AceOfSpades

04-22-2006, 01:52 PM

Wolverine... He's just too much for me too handle.

Madrox84

04-22-2006, 02:19 PM

Hmm it would have to Jubilee or Maggot... And poorly written Rogue...

Atom_basher

04-22-2006, 02:37 PM

i HATE cyclops aswell.

FieryBalrog

04-22-2006, 04:32 PM

Maddie Pryor, Stryfe, Cable, Nate Grey. Nothing personal, but you are all clones/alternate versions of already HIDEOUSLY convoluted characters. Well Cable is neither clone nor alternate, but his history is already HIDEOUSLY convoluted and dumb. Really really really dumb. And the son of an evil clone to boot. And on top of that did anyone seriously think we needed THREE different Cables in the same world? In the same universe?

As for regular characters, theres no one I really hate, it depends on the writer. I usually hate boobtastic Psylocke for being a gimmick, I guess, and I temporarily hate Emma for currently being a bitchy blond cheerleader instead of genuinely interesting.

Mariah

04-22-2006, 10:35 PM

I wish that Nathan would be returned to his original age.

twilight

04-22-2006, 10:44 PM

thats sleep inducing an i am tired of it

Heh :D

Even if its only him on the couch in the avengers mansion sipping bear have to get it cause he is in it.

:eek:

I know Wolverine was a badass but is he good enough to sip a bear without being clawed?

EX ::FAN boy IN three sizes to tight wolverine t shirt that shows off his manboobs::"OH sweety wolvies in this, i have to get it just cause"

It occurs to me that the only people who would be wearing X-Men shirts would be real fans and real fans who read real comic books would understand how unnappealing Wolverine's over exposure is and not support it.

Have you ever actually gone down to your local comic shop and seen a "fan boy" wearing a "Wolverine shirt,three sizes to small for them" say "Oh sweetie Wolvie's in this,I have to get it just 'cause" or are you just being flippant?

Flameworthy

04-22-2006, 11:35 PM

The three characters I just can't stand are Marvel Girl, Sunpyre, and Cable. The first two because they're cheap rip-offs of the originals with no identity or originality of their own, and Cable because he's everything that was wrong with the 90's.

fireball87o

04-23-2006, 12:26 AM

the thing that comes to mind more than anything when i think about jubilee is from the first fox xmen cartoon episode. she responds to something saying "does a mall-baby chili fry" or something.

lol. I just cracked up at this for 5 minutes. I remember this, someone asks her a question and she says “does a mall babe eat chili fries?”

Jubilee: Has the stink of a character created just for the cartoon version, even though she wasn't, like that stupid robot from Fantastic Four.

haha…I think I was one of the only people who liked H.E.R.B.I.E from the Fantastic Four. And, there’s nothing wrong with characters created just for the cartoon version…where would the world be without Angelica Jones <firestar> ???

i like all the x-men characters,why read it if you dont like it?

cyclops-yeah hes a pencil neck,but at least theyve given him a darker edge these days.
wolverine-over exposed,yeah,great character,yeah,reason for hating-jumping on the bandwagon.
gambit-how can u hate gambit?
rogue-one of the coolest female super heros ever.

I agree with the sir. I like all the X-teamates, some more than others of course. But they each make up the team dynamic. Faded said it well, I prefer certain characters over others and rather read a team made up of yadda yadda yadda instead of blah blah blah, but I don’t really dislike any X-hero.
In general, I ‘m surprised at the hate going around for some of the X-men. I can’t believe somebody doesn’t like Kitty Pryde?!?

And the Gambit bashing needs to quit ( thx for the support fellow fans ;) ). So many people disliking Gambit and Psylocke…such a shame. Let the love in people! Just playing you can bash the guy, I still like ‘em. Everyone has their favorites and tastes. :D

Now on to topic:
Does Phantomex count? He blows big time (sorry if anyone likes him?). He was unneeded in the storylines and I felt he added nothing to the books, and took away more than anything else. He was irritating, irrational, and I wanted to tell him to “shut the f@%K up” most of the time. I didn’t like the whole storyline mess with the new Weapon X thing either. He hasn’t been followed up on since…may be he O.D’d on his own egotism.

FieryBalrog

04-23-2006, 12:36 AM

Fantomex was supposed to be a parody of super-mysterious anti-heros. I found him pretty entertaining. :D

DoubleShot

04-23-2006, 12:40 AM

haha…I think I was one of the only people who liked H.E.R.B.I.E from the Fantastic Four. And, there’s nothing wrong with characters created just for the cartoon version…where would the world be without Angelica Jones <firestar> ???

Yeah, but wasn't it great how in the comics H.E.R.B.I.E became a villian when he was originally introduced? That was a great storyline with the Sphinx and all. It was even explained why he was in the cartoon and not the Human Torch or was it the Thing... can't remember.

Dazzler

04-23-2006, 04:41 AM

wolverine. god, how i hate wolverine. overused, boring, an deus ex machina that i have absolutely no interest in. have to restrain myself from choking people in comic stores who talk about him as being "SO kewl...."

X-23. this stupid rip off character should be gassed to death. twice.

nay. thrice.

Cable. just always seemed lame.
Quill. Ugh. Why did this character stay powered when interesting mutants like DJ get killed off? Lame power, zero personality.

--Dazz

The Sword Is Drawn

04-23-2006, 05:10 AM

Doop.

Daap.

Any hideously trite permutations of the same crappy character... :(

Speed

04-23-2006, 06:21 AM

Dazzler & Longshot.
All of the X-Force lot.
Austen's Xorn.
Lifeguard.

slayer2005

04-23-2006, 06:42 AM

Cyclops
Jubilee
Gambit
Sage
Rogue
Storm
Slipstream

cable guy

04-23-2006, 08:00 AM

Being that Cable isn't too well liked by some of you, and in the Marvel U, he should just turn anti- X-Men for a while.

Hurt a few X-Fairies, and really lay the smack down.

Zombienorthstar

04-23-2006, 08:39 AM

Being that Cable isn't too well liked by some of you, and in the Marvel U, he should just turn anti- X-Men for a while.

Hurt a few X-Fairies, and really lay the smack down.

Interesting idea actually i always felt Cable would be an interesting villain...but what would be his motives...maybe his mother could be involved. MWHAHAHA!

Elegance Liberty

04-23-2006, 08:59 AM

Cyclops. He's such a total flake. Even as a little kid I *never* liked him, and I always hoped Jean would end up with Logan.

Oh, and Emma Frost. Is it just me, or has she become quite the Mary Sue mutant lately? =/

rickfury188

04-23-2006, 09:12 AM

i really dislike leech. he's just a minor character that has a useless power.

Ravenheart

04-23-2006, 09:15 AM

I like pretty much all of them.The only one I can't stand is Gambit.I've found him incredibly boring since his first appearance.

Harlock

04-23-2006, 09:41 AM

I dislike:

1. Gambit - because of the "kewl" thing. I don't enjoy gimmick characters with shady pasts and intentionally mysterious origins from writers too lazy to come up with something original.

2. Wolverine - Mostly due to the above and the blatant over exposure. I do take guilty pleasure in some of the storylines in which he appears however, because every now and then a writer gets him and uses him well. I liked Morrison's use of Wolverine in X-Men.

3. Phoenix - Yeah, we get it. Jean will die and come back. All the writers have done at this point is cheapen Jean Grey's death (and subsequently even her life) into a joke.

Zombienorthstar

04-23-2006, 09:47 AM

i really dislike leech. he's just a minor character that has a useless power.

Hes not useless...hello he would have been very useful during House of M...hey Wanda...no more powers for you.

Bane

04-23-2006, 11:09 AM

cable's the best! Ignorance is bliss i guess.. oh well... Hmm, I'd have to go for Jubilee... got, that costume sends shivers down my spine....

spoon_jenkins

04-23-2006, 11:56 AM

Storm only annoys me when Claremont's writing her as the greatest being at everything she does in the entire galaxy.
This pretty much my POV. When Claremont is forcing it down my throat how great Strom is, then I find her supremely annoying. When that's not the case, I usually like her.

I guess Marrow is the character I dislike the most.

Dazzler

04-23-2006, 12:35 PM

Oh, and Emma Frost. Is it just me, or has she become quite the Mary Sue mutant lately? =/

yeah, she has. Emma used to be on my top five character list when i was younger. but of course this was before X-Villains were being turned good left and right (i STILL hate that practice). I LOOOOOOOVE coke snorting, super bitch on Hellfire wheels Emma Frost, the White Queen in little lacy panties, a corset, and a big fur lined cape out to do her damnedest to kill her some X-Men. or at least exert some pseudo sexual power over them.

now, she's almost cutesie. and people are eating her up. i just don't get it. it makes me wanna puke.

--Dazz

SincereAgape

04-23-2006, 05:43 PM

Gambit - You either love him or hate him.

d newton

04-23-2006, 10:56 PM

Now. She's almost cutesy and people are eating her up. I just don't get it. It makes me want to puke.
Perhaps that's the reason why people like Emma?

FieryBalrog

04-24-2006, 03:37 AM

Perhaps that's the reason why people like Emma?

because she makes readers want to puke? :confused:

cable guy

04-24-2006, 05:44 AM

Interesting idea actually i always felt Cable would be an interesting villain...but what would be his motives...maybe his mother could be involved. MWHAHAHA!

Yeah.

I don't want him to become Evil... Just a foe for a little while.

f4faith

04-24-2006, 06:32 AM

Add me to those who hate Cyclops and now Emma. I use to be ambivilent about Cyke way back in the day - he was just uninteresting to me - I never related to him - all this about him being the everyman was bull to me. He was always written as too important to the team (for a supposed introvert that conveniently got the girl and still has telepaths throwing themselves at him for not reason that I can see but because they can use him to be leader since he has such a simple mind to make them feel all fuzzy about about themselves) and I do not think the originals are any more special than those that came after them. It's about time an original stayed out the books for good and he'd be my choice to open up the X-Men to a whole new direction in leadership as I'ver never thought he was that great on overall leader. No vision of his own just good in battle organization.

I use to love Emma until Morrison decided that she needed to be the overused and "go to girl" and fall for Scott for some unknown reason.

Cable is my last hate. He's just everything I can't stand from being Scott's supposed great leader son to his way messed up history to his complete arrogance. But I have to admit that at least Fabian can make him readable as compared to Scott or Emma.

Wolverine's overuse annoys me but I don't really hate as he can be used well. Sabretooth could die and stay dead though.

I also don't like Shadowcat but I don't know that I would call it hate but Whedon may get me there like Claremont can with Storm.

Archangel just rates on boring but don't hate scale. I have many many ones like Iceman Dazzler or Longshot that I could care less one way or the other but that's not really hate either.

d newton

04-24-2006, 07:10 AM

Because she makes readers want to puke?
People are puking because Emma is becoming too cutesy? :D

The Lucky One

04-24-2006, 07:41 AM

cable's the best! Ignorance is bliss i guess...

Yyyyyeah... if you still remember him as the crazy militant cult leader who poisoned the New Mutants' minds and told them they might have to kill the X-Men at some point in time, it's actually not that hard to dislike him. You should try it sometime.

-D

Jmacq1

04-24-2006, 07:44 AM

Three way tie for me:

Angel: For being completely and utterly bland. Seriously, he's even more boring than Cyclops is. Even when they tried to "darken him up" with the whole Archangel thing, he was still boring. At least Cyclops has the excuse that he's -supposed- to be bland (it's like one of his key personality traits). Not so Warren Worthington III. They should've been playing up the "playboy" aspects of this character for years now (he should, along with Hank, be on a short list of "socially acceptable" mutants). Instead we basically get "generic good guy X" with wings. Even shagging a barely-legal farmgirl can't make him interesting. :evilsmile

Iceman: Likewise, nothing they've ever done with Bobby since the early 80's has been remotely interesting. He was decent when he was the wisecracking hothead of the team, but every attempt to make him "grow up" without losing that side of his character has been a dismal failure, IMHO. They only gimmick writers seem to be able to come up with for him is tweaking his powers ad infinitum. Oh, and making him "angrier" or "bitter" or "cold" (how clever!). I just feel like there's a lot of wasted potential here. He really needs a good writer to settle him into a definitive "modern" version.

Gambit: I liked him when he first appeared well enough. I thought the beginnings of the Rogue/Gambit romance were cool. But it's just been played out to death. They seem to have gotten away from everything that made the character interesting (heck, he doesn't even speak with an accent anymore, does he?), and again, made him "generic angsty good guy X" with a staff and some kinetic powers. And no, I don't think being made into Apocalypse's latest Horseman will do anything to help the character, though shuffling him off the X-Books for a while might.

dazzlerfan

10-12-2006, 04:42 PM

I am most pleased that no one's picked Dazzler as their "most disliked". It restores my faith in humanity. :D
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I'm kindof upset at all the Gambit-hating, though...
As for me, my least favorite has to be Jubilee. She's by far the most annoying character. I actually loathe it when Marvel introduces "identify with the youngsters" characters; she was the worst.

BTW, my name is Ian, and I hope to be posting a bit on these threads.

Mariah

10-12-2006, 04:46 PM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I'm kindof upset at all the Gambit-hating, though...
As for me, my least favorite has to be Jubilee. She's by far the most annoying character. I actually loathe it when Marvel introduces "identify with the youngsters" characters; she was the worst.

BTW, my name is Ian, and I hope to be posting a bit on these threads.
HI IAN!!! ANOTHER DAZZLER FAN!!! What is up? My name is Lala, but I also answer to Mariah. But, I have to agree, I don't really care for Gambit.:eek:

AceOfSpades

10-12-2006, 04:47 PM

I find myself disliking Cable a lot of the time. I don't know why, but I just can't help it

Frodo-X

10-12-2006, 04:51 PM

I don't like Storm as much as everyone else, but still my least favorite would have to be Jubilee.

Mariah

10-12-2006, 04:53 PM

I don't like Storm as much as everyone else, but still my least favorite would have to be Jubilee.
like, you guys are totally being way harsh on the jubester. She, like, was a really, really good character, like, back in like, the day.

And you don't like storm cause she's black! RACIST!!!

Frodo-X

10-12-2006, 04:56 PM

And you don't like storm cause she's black! RACIST!!!

Not true.

I don't like her because she's a woman. ;)

Before the yelling starts, I warn you all that the preceding was a joke.

Mariah

10-12-2006, 04:58 PM

Not true.

I don't like her because she's a woman. ;)

Before the yelling starts, I warn you all that the preceding was a joke.
No more jiggly bits for you.

Frodo-X

10-12-2006, 05:00 PM

No more jiggly bits for you.

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mikl C

10-12-2006, 06:37 PM

Claremont's Storm. Maybe Sage.

brundlefly

10-12-2006, 06:49 PM

Early 90s X-Force Cable. His lame cyborg Dirty Harry act and cheesy dialogue wore thin real quick, and all the "mysterious origin/secrets of his past" drama was just a bad attempt to recreate the aura of mystery Wolverine had surrounding his history. He's much more developed nowadays, and I really love Cable/Deadpool and his role in that series, so I'm glad that initial version of the character is gone. I don't really have another current X-character that I dislike to that degree.

YummiYami

10-12-2006, 07:39 PM

LOL MARIAH YOU ARE SO FUNNY anyway i HATE mystic or however you spell it shes so evil i mean ARGH espically when i see x-men evoultion cartoons..

Colossusfan

10-17-2006, 10:32 AM

I can't stand Bishop - his entire attitude just really peed me off, and he was made far too powerful by Claremont in X-Treme X-Men and beyond.

I'm also not a huge fan of Gambit and Rogue. I've never been a huge fan of Gambit, and I've always felt his relationship with Rogue has brought her charcter down. Things seem to be looking up for Rogue though, with Mike Carey's version of her.

rwsmith

10-17-2006, 12:10 PM

A lot of Bishop and Cable hate in this thread. Perhaps Axel Alonso should rethink his strategy of trying to return those two to the limelight, huh?

Sgt. Preston

10-17-2006, 03:45 PM

It's a tie:

Jubilee- An truly unoriginal character. She basically has Dazzler's powers, and was invented to recreate the father figure role Wolvie had with Kitty Pryde. The yellow jacket, pink glasses, and annoying behaviour doesn't help.

The New Excalibur version of Dazzler- Was hard to take her seriously during her roller skating days, but she came off as pretty cool when she was reintroduced to the X-Men during the Malice episode. This new, pink-haired version looks ridiculous and doesn't act the same. Just change her back to the way she was, and she'll be much cooler.

There's a handful of others I would have thrown in there that have developed into better characters over time. I find all the timeline X's(Cable, Bishop, Rachel) annoying with their convoluted backstories, but I've learned to accept them as part of X-drama.

DDM

10-17-2006, 04:03 PM

The New Excalibur version of Dazzler- Was hard to take her seriously during her roller skating days, but she came off as pretty cool when she was reintroduced to the X-Men during the Malice episode. This new, pink-haired version looks ridiculous and doesn't act the same. Just change her back to the way she was, and she'll be much cooler.

Although initally a fad in the mid-to-late 70's, roller skating continued well into the 80's. I remember going to Skate Haven in 1985-1986 several times when I was 13. Dazzler's roller skates were not out of step with the times, although her disco costume was by the mid-80's.

Flameworthy

10-17-2006, 04:18 PM

The New Excalibur version of Dazzler- Was hard to take her seriously during her roller skating days, but she came off as pretty cool when she was reintroduced to the X-Men during the Malice episode. This new, pink-haired version looks ridiculous and doesn't act the same. Just change her back to the way she was, and she'll be much cooler.

That depends on what version you want. The cool, indepedent, take charge Dazzler from her series, or the lame, ditsy, prima donna Dazzler from the X-Men.

The Lucky One

10-17-2006, 05:03 PM

That depends on what version you want. The cool, indepedent, take charge Dazzler from her series, or the lame, ditsy, prima donna Dazzler from the X-Men.

What if we liked the cool, independent Dazzler from the X-Men?

-D

The Lucky One

10-17-2006, 05:04 PM

A lot of Bishop and Cable hate in this thread. Perhaps Axel Alonso should rethink his strategy of trying to return those two to the limelight, huh?

I don't mind Bishop ever since Claremont gave him a personality, but yeah, Cable could definitely stand to be retcon punched.

-D

Christopher O

10-17-2006, 05:09 PM

What if we liked the cool, independent Dazzler from the X-Men?

-D
What if we liked campy Dazzler? She totally should've been in NEXTWAVE, wearing skates, the jumpsuit, and the crazy make-up.

Flameworthy

10-17-2006, 06:35 PM

What if we liked the cool, independent Dazzler from the X-Men?

-D

I wasn't aware there was one.:D

The Lucky One

10-17-2006, 06:39 PM

I wasn't aware there was one.:D

Sure there was. That's her in your avatar.
;)

She wasn't good for Longshot, mind you, but that's another story...

-D

Hi-Fi

10-17-2006, 06:44 PM

Hey, Drew, I have a question! Were you fond of the Rogue/Longshot flirting back at the day, or did you always prefer him with Dazzler?

Christopher O

10-17-2006, 06:50 PM

Hey, Drew, I have a question! Were you fond of the Rogue/Longshot flirting back at the day, or did you always prefer him with Dazzler?
Longshot totally wants Mojo. That's why they fight--sexual tension and all that.

Ties post into thread

Speaking of Mojo, I don't like him very much.

Frodo-X

10-17-2006, 06:52 PM

Speaking of Mojo, I don't like him very much.

Nor do I.ten

HeathHuston

10-17-2006, 07:07 PM

Cyclops- generic boyscout.
Angel
Storm
Prof. X
Forge
Havoc
Banshee

Oh, and my favorite's are Jubes, Gambit, and Rogue. My favorite X-writer is Lobdell.......and Joe Madureira (the God artist) is about 3 billion times better than Jim Lee. True Story. hahahahaha. You mad?

curefreak

10-17-2006, 07:09 PM

emma frost :mad:

Canemacar

10-17-2006, 07:12 PM

Your favorite.

Flameworthy

10-17-2006, 07:16 PM

She wasn't good for Longshot, mind you, but that's another story...

-D

You keep telling yourself that.:p

The Lucky One

10-17-2006, 08:40 PM

Hey, Drew, I have a question! Were you fond of the Rogue/Longshot flirting back at the day, or did you always prefer him with Dazzler?

I... can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, Hi. :cool: In case you're not- yes, the Longshot/Rogue flirting was definitely preferable to the Longshot/Dazzler smoochie boochie gagfest. Hell, the whole love triangle was enjoyable, I don't dislike Dazz for it; but having it end with Longshot and Dazzler together, that's the part that never went anywhere and hurt both characters. Let a playa play, woman. Day-emn.

You keep telling yourself that.:p

You... liked them together, I take it? *shrugs* To each their own.

-D

Flameworthy

10-17-2006, 09:02 PM

I... can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, Hi. :cool: In case you're not- yes, the Longshot/Rogue flirting was definitely preferable to the Longshot/Dazzler smoochie boochie gagfest. Hell, the whole love triangle was enjoyable, I don't dislike Dazz for it; but having it end with Longshot and Dazzler together, that's the part that never went anywhere and hurt both characters. Let a playa play, woman. Day-emn.

-D

I hated that whole love triangle. Frankly, I never understood what either woman saw in him.

You... liked them together, I take it? *shrugs* To each their own.

-D

Heeeeeeeell no! I just thought you should know it was Longshot who was never good for Dazzler, but hey whatever lets you's sleep at night.;)

Christopher O

10-17-2006, 09:04 PM

Heeeeeeeell no! I just thought you should know it was Longshot who was never good for Dazzler, but hey whatever lets you's sleep at night.;)
Uh-oh, it's fans of the former Limbo Queen vs. fans of the former Limbo King. Who'll come out on top? :p

Flameworthy

10-17-2006, 09:16 PM

Uh-oh, it's fans of the former Limbo Queen vs. fans of the former Limbo King. Who'll come out on top? :p

Limbo Queen of course. Seeing as how she has more fans on this board, and more fans in general.:D

The Lucky One

10-17-2006, 09:16 PM

Heeeeeeeell no! I just thought you should know it was Longshot who was never good for Dazzler, but hey whatever lets you's sleep at night.;)

I'll endeavor to carry on... somehow.

-D

The Lucky One

10-17-2006, 09:18 PM

Limbo Queen of course. Seeing as how she has more fans on this board, and more fans in general.:D

This board is about 75% gay... hands up, who's surprised by THAT turn of events.
:rolleyes:

As for in general... sure, I'd take that bet. I'd take it as I play with my cool new Marvel Legends Longshot figure, while wondering if they'll ever get around to doing one for Dazzler...
:D

-D

Flameworthy

10-17-2006, 09:23 PM

As for in general... sure, I'd take that bet. I'd take it as I play with my cool new Marvel Legends Longshot figure, while wondering if they'll ever get around to doing one for Dazzler...
:D

-D

Somehow, I knew the action figure would be brought up. Don't you worry, I'll be the one laughing in your face when the ultra cool Marvel Legends Dazzler comes out and with light up action too.;) :D

The Lucky One

10-17-2006, 09:24 PM

Somehow, I knew the action figure would be brought up. Don't you worry, I'll be the one laughing in your face when the ultra cool Marvel Legends Dazzler comes out and with light up action too.;) :D

I'll be laughing too. Because it'll be her pink, pink lesbo hair that lights up. Enjoy.
:evilsmile

-D

Flameworthy

10-17-2006, 09:27 PM

I'll be laughing too. Because it'll be her pink, pink lesbo hair that lights up. Enjoy.
:evilsmile

-D

I'll take light up pink hair over a non-light up mullet anyday.:D

curefreak

10-17-2006, 09:29 PM

i never thought id see the day that i would witness a fight between a dazzler fan and a longshot fan.

Alan2099

10-17-2006, 09:30 PM

Okay. We need the Mojo fan in this now. Where's the Mojo fan?

The Lucky One

10-17-2006, 09:34 PM

Okay. We need the Mojo fan in this now. Where's the Mojo fan?

Nobs, I think I hear someone calling your name...

-D

Christopher O

10-17-2006, 09:40 PM

Okay. We need the Mojo fan in this now. Where's the Mojo fan?
Too funny...

Flameworthy

10-17-2006, 09:48 PM

Okay. We need the Mojo fan in this now. Where's the Mojo fan?

*gags* Let's leave that character out of this.

The Lucky One

10-17-2006, 10:05 PM

I'll take the bait: I don't think any of you have read a comic with Mojo in it. I think you've all read multiple comics with some bloated yellow media mogul imposter tottering around, but I'm not convinced any of you have read any actual appearances of the pestilent, obscene psychotic genius that is Mojo. Prove me wrong.

-D

Rachel Grey

10-17-2006, 10:52 PM

Emma "I'm Better Than You Because I'm Rich" Frost.

Nuff Said.

tetragene

10-17-2006, 11:25 PM

Jubilee. Uber annoying. I've disliked the character since I was a kid watching the 90's cartoon. It's pretty bad when a character has the same distaste for you at the age of 20 that they had when you were 7...

phoenixV

10-18-2006, 12:32 AM

Wolverine. I've never liked him and he's in too many series.

HellFrost

10-18-2006, 05:10 AM

Emma "I'm Better Than You Because I'm Rich" Frost.

Nuff Said.
Witty.......:rolleyes:

Rachel Grey

10-18-2006, 11:59 PM

Witty.......:rolleyes:

Actually I was going for "concise" but thanks for the compliment, anyway. :)

Zombienorthstar

10-19-2006, 04:21 AM

Gambit does little if anything for me.

Canemacar

10-19-2006, 04:28 AM

We know. You've already said.

Supajoe

10-19-2006, 07:34 AM

Cyclops by far.

Gene M.

10-19-2006, 07:55 AM

I dislike Gambit and Storm. They're boring and smell like farts.

Weapon X

10-19-2006, 08:10 AM

Wolverine. I've never liked him and he's in too many series.

Thats because he RULES!:D

Mariah

10-19-2006, 08:41 AM

Thats because he's a TOOL!:D
There, that's how that sentence should have gone.

curefreak

10-19-2006, 08:59 AM

There, that's how that sentence should have gone.
lala no like wolverine?

Zombienorthstar

10-19-2006, 09:04 AM

We know. You've already said.

You know who else i dislike...Gambit.

Omega Alpha

10-19-2006, 09:07 AM

I dislike Gambit and Storm. They're boring and smell like farts.

Actually, that's just because of Gambit's new powers:D

rwsmith

10-19-2006, 09:56 AM

There, that's how that sentence should have gone.

Wow. :rolleyes:

My Top 10 list of lame X-characters:

1) Sage - computer like mind, WTF?

2) Cable - too compilcated; send him back into the time-stream please

3) Rachel Grey - ditto

4) Angel - sweet, he's got wings; don't mind his existence, but he offers virtually nothing as an X-man

5) Strong Guy - really, the name says it all

6) Dazzler - ditto; plus she's a 1970's reject with lame light-show powers

7) Jubilee - same loser power as Dazzler, but with a slightly more annoying personality

8) Bishop - angry, militiant black guy with guns; surely the X-office could come up with a more compelling male minority character than this? plus he's from the future, so he's automatically lame

9) Cannonball - the guy basically shoots himself around like an actual cannonball by blasting from what looks like his ass; should be called the Atomic Fart Blaster IMO

10) Polaris - is she or isn't she Magneto's daughter? why is her hair green? is she or isn't she crazy? a lame character and they've tried everything possible to make her interesting, but unfortunately she just isn't

There you go. That should get some debate stirred up. ;)

tnklb

10-19-2006, 10:01 AM

Gambit
Cable
Bishop
Shatterstar
Any other character that Liefeld was born to draw with glowing eyes, excessive pouches and OMGCOOL blades.

Storm is pretty annoying too-- except for her powerless punk rocck days. She was awesome then.

rwsmith

10-19-2006, 10:03 AM

Forgot about Longshot, Slipstream, Lifeguard and Thunderbird II in my post. Those four are so lame that they don't even warrant talking about IMO.

Mariah

10-19-2006, 10:31 AM

6) Dazzler - ditto; plus she's a 1970's reject with lame light-show powers

Um...Dazzler didn't show up until 1980, so booyah biatch! And seriously, a Canadian who goes crazy? Not bloody likely.

rwsmith

10-19-2006, 10:48 AM

Mariah

10-19-2006, 10:50 AM

Which makes the fact that she's a lame 70's reject even worse, because she was already a dated character at the time of her debut.

Kind of sad, really. About the only thing most people know Dazzler from was the old X-men arcade game, and that was really only a consolation prize because at the time in the comics Jean Grey was dead.

Must be hard to be a Dazzler fan, especially with her ultra-kewl new "Pink wannabe" thing she's got going on these days. ;)
The dyke-on-a-bike look is still infinitely more cool looking than ooh, scary, a killer is wearing yellow spandex, and a big goofy mask anyday.

And disco didn't not be cool until 1984, Cause Diana Ross was still making disco records that reached #1 on the billboard charts.

rwsmith

10-19-2006, 10:55 AM

Haha, if you say so. Wolverine's popularity might directly contradict your statement, but whatever makes you feel better.

Just enjoy your little Logan-bashing all you want. All your doing is p!$$ing into the wind, sweetheart.

Be sure to let me know when Dazzler warrants her own movie, or even her own series again. :LOL:

Flameworthy

10-19-2006, 10:57 AM

The dyke-on-a-bike look is still infinitely more cool looking than ooh, scary, a killer is wearing yellow spandex, and a big goofy mask anyday.

And disco didn't not be cool until 1984, Cause Diana Ross was still making disco records that reached #1 on the billboard charts.

I think somebody just got burnt.:D

rwsmith

10-19-2006, 11:00 AM

Yeah, it really hurts. I'll be sure to cry into all of my Dazzler comics tonight.

Oh, wait, I don't own any Dazzler comics...silly me.;)

Mariah

10-19-2006, 11:00 AM

Mariah

10-19-2006, 11:01 AM

Yeah, it really hurts. I'll be sure to cry into all of my Dazzler comics tonight.

Oh, wait, I don't own any Dazzler comics...silly me.;)
You should buy some, cause unlike a certain character I know, she's more than a 1 trick pony.

rwsmith

10-19-2006, 11:09 AM

Really, and here I thought all she could do is make neat little light-shows.

As for popular not equaling cool, keep telling yourself that. Maybe eventually you'll start to believe it. I'm guessing you weren't part of the "cool crowd" when you were in high school, huh?

Mariah

10-19-2006, 11:10 AM

Red Lotus

10-19-2006, 11:11 AM

Storm
jubilee
Strong Guy.
Prof X

I think I would say Prof X wins hands down for me. I can't say how much I hate him now. He was great when the X-men needed the daddy to take of them, but now it feels like that daddy was a dirty old man trying to getting into Jeans pants. Plus I have always liked the X-men better when he wasn't around.

rwsmith

10-19-2006, 11:13 AM

Actually, I've always been popular.

You're actually making me feel a lot less cool for even debating the merits of Dazzler vs. Wolverine in the first place.

Let's just agree to disagree and be done with it. You can hate on Wolverine all you want, while I'll continue to buy his books and watch his movies and basically just enjoy the fact that he is such an awesome character (IMO at least).

Deal?

Mariah

10-19-2006, 11:21 AM

You're actually making me feel a lot less cool for even debating the merits of Dazzler vs. Wolverine in the first place.

Let's just agree to disagree and be done with it. You can hate on Wolverine all you want, while I'll continue to buy his books and watch his movies and basically just enjoy the fact that he is such an awesome character (IMO at least).

Deal?
Sure, I used to enjoy him, honestly. current writers portrayal of him has changed that opinion.

Flameworthy

10-19-2006, 11:28 AM

Sure, I used to enjoy him, honestly. current writers portrayal of him has changed that opinion.

I don't really hate him, but they're really wearing that character thin. I was especially annoyed when they had him on all 3 X-teams, plus his solo, on the Avengers, and was having like 10 guest appearances monthly. What the hell was that about? Just stick him on one team, and is solo, with a few guest appearances every now and then. Also they need to get writers to collaborate on what they want to do with the character. It's like every writer has their own interpretation of what the character should be like, which in turn destroys other writers developents of him.

Mariah

10-19-2006, 11:34 AM

I don't really hate him, but they're really wearing that character thin. I was especially annoyed when they had him on all 3 X-teams, plus his solo, on the Avengers, and was having like 10 guest appearances monthly. What the hell was that about? Just stick him on one team, and is solo, with a few guest appearances every now and then. Also they need to get writers to collaborate on what they want to do with the character. It's like every writer has their own interpretation of what the character should be like, which in turn destroys other writers developents of him.
thanks, that's my feelings of dissatisfaction with the character. Do we really need 2 monthlies? Plus, two teams books and countless mini's and guest appearances?

rwsmith

10-19-2006, 12:04 PM

Well, in his defense (and honestly the last thing I'm going to say in this thread), you don't have to buy them. I think New Excalibur is terrible book and can't stand most of the characters in it, so I don't buy it. I don't come on message boards and bitch about it and say that it ought to be cancelled. I simply don't buy it. Period.

Don't really get why that's so hard for the Wolverine bashers out there. It's not like Wolverine is getting "screen time" that Dazzler would get if it weren't for him "hogging the spotlight." It's not like Marvel was debating between Wolverine: Origins and a new Dazzler series and Logan won the toss-up. Nor were they torn between putting Dazzler on the New Avengers and putting Wolverine on there.

So, honestly, I can't really see any reasoning behind all of this whining about how Logan is in too many books. He's still in far less than Spider-man, Batman and Superman, and no one is forcing any of you to buy any of them.

Marvel answered your prayers and he's not in Uncanny X-men or X-men anymore. He's not in X-Factor, New X-men, or New Excalibur, and not going to be in Mighty Avengers either. So buy those books and be happy instead of constantly bitching about how many books Wolverine is in. Move on. Please!

That is all.

DDM

10-19-2006, 12:05 PM

6) Dazzler - ditto; plus she's a 1970's reject with lame light-show powers

Disco music oversaturated the popular culture by the late 70's that a backlash was inevitable. The backlash started when Studio 54 closed & the infamous "Disco Sucks" rampage where people destroyed their disco records on a football field was televised. Musically speaking, disco never "died." It went back underground then mutated into other forms of music such as house music, electronica, etc al.

Dazzler's book stayed in publication well into the mid-80's.

7) Jubilee - same loser power as Dazzler, but with a slightly more annoying personality

You're incorrect. Dazzler has the mutant ability to transduce sound into light. Whereas, Jubilee has the mutat ability to manifest fireworks. These are similar, but distinct mutant powers. Dazzler's powers does not necessarily make any sound & she can do different things with her powers to evoke a certain response. Jubillee just makes powerful fireworks.

10) Polaris - is she or isn't she Magneto's daughter? why is her hair green? is she or isn't she crazy? a lame character and they've tried everything possible to make her interesting, but unfortunately she just isn't

Polaris' hair is green for the same reason Storm's hair is silver: It reflects their mutant genes. Polaris is an interesting character because she does not want to be an X-Man; she just wants to live a normal life, but her being a mutant does not allow her to live her life. It's the primary reason Polaris & Havok became pawns of Davan Shakari, Malice, & Mr. Sinister.

Polaris has not been written well for several years now. But that does not mean she is a lame character.

Flameworthy

10-19-2006, 12:09 PM

rwsmith

10-19-2006, 12:12 PM

Mariah

10-19-2006, 12:14 PM

I dont' care for Spidey or Batman or Superman either, and don't buy their books for these reasons. I'd rather have Marvel spend their creative talents and time on characters who deserve to be developed more than reading several books with him in it. I love Warpath in Uncanny cause you can have a character who can do, well, some similar stuff to Wolverine, but not have him in the title. Rogue is kicking ass in X-Men. Wolvie is cutting out paper dolls over in Astonishing. Ooh, so necessary to have him over there. Do you see where my frustration comes from? Marvel has one of the greatest pantheon of heroes who could carry books if they just marketed them right, and spent the time on them. It doesn't matter if Dazzler is in the book or not, the fact of the matter is we don't need soo many books with him in them.

Flameworthy

10-19-2006, 12:15 PM

Not bashing Dazzler in that post (though personally I don't care for her much), rather just using her as an example. You could substitute Cannonball, Marvel Girl, Sage, etc., and the point would still be the same. Wolverine is not "stealing" screen time from any of these characters.

Now I'm out.

Actually he was when he was on all 3 X-teams, when you could have had another character in his place who wasn't appearing regularly in any other book. Same goes for Avengers too.

Omega Alpha

10-19-2006, 12:18 PM

So, honestly, I can't really see any reasoning behind all of this whining about how Logan is in too many books. He's still in far less than Spider-man, Batman and Superman, and no one is forcing any of you to buy any of them.

Marvel answered your prayers and he's not in Uncanny X-men or X-men anymore. He's not in X-Factor, New X-men, or New Excalibur, and not going to be in Mighty Avengers either. So buy those books and be happy instead of constantly bitching about how many books Wolverine is in. Move on. Please!

That is all.

Because (i think i said before), if you don't like Spider-man, you could just not buy his 352 titles. With Wolverine, if you didn't like him and did not want to read anything about him, you had to not buy not only his 168 single books, but also Uncanny, Astonishing and Adjectiveless, and then they still put him in the New Avengers, so, you had to choose between read the character you can't stand, or you like but think it's overexposed, or stop reading about your favorite characters. And i'm not even mentioning his 729 miniseries and appearances in other comics.

Faded

10-19-2006, 02:52 PM

Wowwwwwwww. It sure got ugly.

Here are my (current) bottom 10 (no offense, though this should be implied with this type of thread):

1. Gambit - I just don't see the appeal. I liked his interactions with some characters like Beast, but otherwise I find him overrated. He has cool powers and is probably the sexiest X-Male, but it doesn't sustain anything powerful with me. Because I like Rogue so much, not only does he provide little for me but he also is a distraction/annoyance when it comes to my enjoyment of her character.

2. Wolverine - I don't find him that cool. In fact, I like him best when he's not being "kewl". When he's the one talking to the newbies (like Jubilee, Angel Salvadore, Maggot) and being that protection for the little guy. When he's slicin', dicin', and apparently regenerating from death I see less humanity and more Steven Seagall.

3. The now-Huggable Juggernaut - Of all the reformed villains to join the X-Men, (aside from Sabes) this is the only one I'm not feeling. Loving Emma and Mystique right now, but they softened him up too hard and Austen wrote it as characters like Bobby were being jerks for not trusting him (though a lot of the characters were pretty annoying at the time). I know the same could be said for Emma, though inversely they are overly focusing on that despite her being part of the X-Affiliates for quite some time.

4. Shatterstar - I'm beginning to forget him. I can only hope it continues. He doesn't annoy me as much because he'll only be found in titles I'm unlikely to read anyway (Rob's X-Force mini for example), but I'm still rather unfond of the guy. I think all of Liefield's characters, as bad as many were, are salvagable. But I'm voting "NO!" for Shatts.

5. Sage - I love her temperment but as an X-Man, I do not like where her character has taken. The retconned importance of her as Xavier's first trainee, her plot-turning powers...its a bit much. She probably wouldn't be on my list if she had a slight...reboot. :o

*presses button*

6. Marvel Girl (++ because of Brubaker actually; would've been number one probably)

7. X-Man; 8. Cable; 9. X-23; 10. Lila Cheney, Lifeguard, and Slipstream

All subject to change (case in point, Whedon has made me like Kitty who probably would've been second place on this list).

Hi-Fi

10-19-2006, 04:24 PM

10. Lila Cheney
All subject to change (case in point, Whedon has made me like Kitty who probably would've been second place on this list).

Believe me when I say, you'll be loving Lila Cheney by next year's end. ;)

PS:I miss you.

HellFrost

10-19-2006, 06:28 PM

Actually I was going for "concise" but thanks for the compliment, anyway. :)
Aww, sweety, that wasn't me complimenting you. That was me saying that you don't know what you're talking about. She's not better than you because she has money, she's just better, and happens to have money.

Coincidentally my least favorite character in all of marvel is Rachel "I whine because my mommy's dead and I'm from a future so evil that I can barely think about it and I had this really gross haircut for ten years and I got shifted to periferal books for ten years and I got lost in the time stream how sad and my husband's only five in this time and I have this dumb tatoo that won't come off and I'm sitting on this old guy's lap like I was a puppet - I'm not my Mom" Summers.

Now, whether or not any of it is true (note: I don't lie), it's nothing to make fun of her for. I don't recall any strong evidence where Emma said "Oh, you're poor. Pish posh, I'm better! Now go home to your low-income housing." So, ya know. However, Rachel does whine a lot. She's usually whining about something (01) when she first came in her early Uncanny appearances, she was constantly whining and was just pure angst, 02) In Excalibur, she, even though she wasn't from this time, was ready to leave Captain Britain to languish in the time stream, and only changed her mind when confronted with the awfulness of her decision ((ie: pooooooor Meggan, girl can't catch a break :( )), 03) All she seemed to do was bitch and whine about Emma and her 'Dad' after she came back, 04) She's had so few lines in Uncanny lately, except to be used by Xavier and then whine about it). And while you could just say "that's bad writing," that is a good amount of writing, which is all cannon. I'd be glad to apologize for my post attacking Rachel (not that I don't actually feel this way about her) if anyone can produce a piece of canon where Emma says "I am better than you because I have money, while you have poverty and ugly shoes." (Obviously, I'm willing to accept less than a direct quote on that one)

Faded

10-19-2006, 06:31 PM

Believe me when I say, you'll be loving Lila Cheney by next year's end. ;)

PS:I miss you.

:o

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. :o

I miss you too! :o

Flameworthy

10-19-2006, 07:32 PM

Aww, sweety, that wasn't me complimenting you. That was me saying that you don't know what you're talking about. She's not better than you because she has money, she's just better, and happens to have money.

Coincidentally my least favorite character in all of marvel is Rachel "I whine because my mommy's dead and I'm from a future so evil that I can barely think about it and I had this really gross haircut for ten years and I got shifted to periferal books for ten years and I got lost in the time stream how sad and my husband's only five in this time and I have this dumb tatoo that won't come off and I'm sitting on this old guy's lap like I was a puppet - I'm not my Mom" Summers.

Now, whether or not any of it is true (note: I don't lie), it's nothing to make fun of her for. I don't recall any strong evidence where Emma said "Oh, you're poor. Pish posh, I'm better! Now go home to your low-income housing." So, ya know. However, Rachel does whine a lot. She's usually whining about something (01) when she first came in her early Uncanny appearances, she was constantly whining and was just pure angst, 02) In Excalibur, she, even though she wasn't from this time, was ready to leave Captain Britain to languish in the time stream, and only changed her mind when confronted with the awfulness of her decision ((ie: pooooooor Meggan, girl can't catch a break :( )), 03) All she seemed to do was bitch and whine about Emma and her 'Dad' after she came back, 04) She's had so few lines in Uncanny lately, except to be used by Xavier and then whine about it). And while you could just say "that's bad writing," that is a good amount of writing, which is all cannon. I'd be glad to apologize for my post attacking Rachel (not that I don't actually feel this way about her) if anyone can produce a piece of canon where Emma says "I am better than you because I have money, while you have poverty and ugly shoes." (Obviously, I'm willing to accept less than a direct quote on that one)

I think I just made a new friend today.:D

rana128

10-19-2006, 07:33 PM

Polaris has not been written well for several years now. But that does not mean she is a lame character.

Agree 100%.
Any character>current writer. Gotta take it all into perspective.

Shocked at all the Gambit-hate. How could so sexay a character be bad? Same goes for Wolverine. Not his fault he's overworked.

Emma can stay because I love to hate her.

The following, however, I don't mind leaving:

1. X-23 The success of this character makes me embarassed to be a comic fan. seriously.

2. Rachel Grey - Only thing she's got she got from her momma. And everything she took from her made Jean less of a character. Although I did begin to like her when CC recently wrote her. Grey's End, was it? I was surprised at myself. I think I could like her if she was just Jean's daughter. With another power. Alternate time or not.

curefreak

10-19-2006, 07:42 PM

i think the reason why gambit is hated is because he talks a lot of smack but doesnt really back it up a whole lot, i mean charging playing cards just doesnt inspire a lot of fear in people.

Canemacar

10-19-2006, 07:48 PM

I think it's because he hasn't gotten a lot of positive exposure in the core books in ages. He's a great character and has quite a bit of depth, but you almost never get to see it in most of his appearances. That and he just got finished with an 18 month character assassination session with Milligan.

Edit: I don't think his power is the cause. It's pretty dangerous in it's own right(he essentially creates a bomb out of anything he touches), but it's never shown off. All he does is throw a few cards that never seem to hit anyone or affect the plot.

Faded

10-19-2006, 08:09 PM

i think the reason why gambit is hated is because he talks a lot of smack but doesnt really back it up a whole lot, i mean charging playing cards just doesnt inspire a lot of fear in people.

Well if they knew how his power worked, I think is power would inspire fear in a lot of people. That's a pretty dangerous power. If something doesn't explode on you something surely will get in your eye.

Any mutant power this side of Jazz the blue skinned man is something I wouldn't take too lightly.

Besides, I think Gambit's power is pretty awesome, so that's not the problem for me.

curefreak

10-19-2006, 08:18 PM

Well if they knew how his power worked, I think is power would inspire fear in a lot of people. That's a pretty dangerous power. If something doesn't explode on you something surely will get in your eye.

Any mutant power this side of Jazz the blue skinned man is something I wouldn't take too lightly.

Besides, I think Gambit's power is pretty awesome, so that's not the problem for me.
i think its the writers fault for lacking imagination i mean he can blow up anything he touches, so why limit youreself to playing cards for christsakes?
if they the writers treated him seriously he could be a lot more popular i think.