Venom origin... the cartoon or comic?

[Venoman]

I was just wondering which venom origin you all prefered or thought made more sense... was it the one from the comic where spiderman loses his costume in space and so gets a machine to create one producing a black ball that covers his body.... or the one in the 90's cartoon series where a space shuttle crashes to earth and rhino and spiderman both investigate it... spiderman gets some black stuff on him that covers his body...

[Rosie]

The Cartoon one was the best.

The Cartoon did just about everything better up until Clones ruined it...

[Bearpod91]

Before collecting I was watching this cartoon and actually followed the cartoon origin when I started collecting spidey but wow, the comic origin sucked IMO once I read it.

[Venoman]

your right it did... any story that involves spidey in space kind of sucks... its just so lame... anyone thats read amazing spiderman annual #2 will know that its best to leave the story to stan lee cus when he let steve dikto have ago we had spidey in another dimension :rolleyes:

[Gauss]

The cartoon one was simpler to follow, certainly, and their version of Eddie Brock was also remarkably well done; but that's because the writers essentially had carte blanche to work out the characters' backstories, and knew ahead of time what would need fixing. It's similar to the "Dini effect" that you get in the DC cartoons. ;)

[austin316gb]

The comic version was much better. I can't believe you prefer the cartoon. The whole secret wars story arc was amazing in it's day. To have all the heroes of the time lining up against all the villians was, if you were collecting the comics as I was, awesome. Secret Wars rocked, period.

But the main reason the comic origin is better was the depth of backgound given to Eddie Brock. You watched the man be thwarted by Peter at every turn and you could see the animosity grow with each passing comic. The destruction of his credibility the loss of his job, his eviction - all these made you believe he actually was going to that church to confess his sins before God and then end it all.

That then led perfectly into the formation of Venom. Spider-Man's ultimate enemy. A man who wouldn't stop until not only Spider-Man but also the man behind the mask, was destoryed as utterly as Eddie Brock's life was.

All this was passed over in the cartoons to the detriment of both Eddie Brock and Venom.

[Sean Whitmore]

They were both perfect for their respective mediums.

The cartoon origin was simple to show and simple to understand, which is how good cartoons should be.

The comic origin dipped into the richness of its shared universe, which is what good comics should take advantage of whenever they're able.


SEAN

[acagle7]

I like the cartoon one the best.

[Nick MB]

If I had to choose between comics and cartoons, I'd go for the comics, as I enjoyed seeing Spidey with the black costume for a longer time and without having to ditch it for such a blunt reason....

But I prefer Ultimate Venom to both of them.

[Sean Whitmore]

If I had to choose between comics and cartoons, I'd go for the comics, as I enjoyed seeing Spidey with the black costume for a longer time and without having to ditch it for such a blunt reason....


I agree with that. I always prefered it when the symbiote wasn't evil, just an alien who genuinely wanted to bond with another being. Between Eddie and the alien, Venom was half-psycho, half ex-girlfriend.


SEAN

[Gauss]

But the main reason the comic origin is better was the depth of backgound given to Eddie Brock. You watched the man be thwarted by Peter at every turn and you could see the animosity grow with each passing comic. The destruction of his credibility the loss of his job, his eviction - all these made you believe he actually was going to that church to confess his sins before God and then end it all.

I was under the impression that Eddie Brock hadn't made an overt appearance since the Sin Eater storyline, before he was revealed as Venom in ASM 300. His fall into depression and suicide was only shown immediately afterwards, through exposition. The cartoon, on the other hand, had the benefit of a slow-burn buildup to Brock's transformation that lasted through the entire first season, which is why I prefer it.

Still, if he did show up, please let me know! :) I still have a bunch of Spidey comics on CD yet to read.

[Sean Whitmore]

I was under the impression that Eddie Brock hadn't made an overt appearance since the Sin Eater storyline, before he was revealed as Venom in ASM 300. His fall into depression and suicide was only shown immediately afterwards, through exposition. The cartoon, on the other hand, had the benefit of a slow-burn buildup to Brock's transformation that lasted through the entire first season, which is why I prefer it.

Still, if he did show up, please let me know! :) I still have a bunch of Spidey comics on CD yet to read.


I'm more than 95% certain that Eddie Brock never made an actual appearance before ASM #298 (discounting one issue of Web where we saw his arm shoving Peter onto some train tracks).

Technically, his existence is a retcon, since he didn't appear in the actual "Sin Eater" story.


SEAN

[Grant]

I don't remember the cartoon origin. But I never liked the comic origin simply because Eddie pretty much has the dumbest motivation to be a super villan since Lex Luthor had his hair burned off by Superboy. And even that makes more sense then Brock's weak "I interviewed the wrong Sin Eater, Spidey must pay" excuse.

To be fair all the classic Spidey villans has pretty simplistic motivations but at least they made sense in the context of the story.

[Sean Whitmore]

I don't remember the cartoon origin. But I never liked the comic origin simply because Eddie pretty much has the dumbest motivation to be a super villan since Lex Luthor had his hair burned off by Superboy. And even that makes more sense then Brock's weak "I interviewed the wrong Sin Eater, Spidey must pay" excuse.

To be fair all the classic Spidey villans has pretty simplistic motivations but at least they made sense in the context of the story.


You gotta keep in mind that Eddie is a paranoid schizo. He did what crazy people do...screwed his own life up and found somebody else to blame.

If he had a GOOD reason to hate Spidey, then HE'D be the star of the book. ;)


SEAN

[Bearpod91]

I wonder what origin they'll use for the movie if it will be venom...

[Venom]

I liked both origins but I like the cartoon one better for two reasons. 1. It was the first origin I learned about Venom out of the two. 2. I am more comfortable with this origin as it makes more sense.

[sherlockbones]

I liked both origins but I like the cartoon one better for two reasons. 1. It was the first origin I learned about Venom out of the two. 2. I am more comfortable with this origin as it makes more sense.

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[Venom]

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[speedy12]

the cartoon origin was better

[Grant]

You gotta keep in mind that Eddie is a paranoid schizo. He did what crazy people do...screwed his own life up and found somebody else to blame.

If he had a GOOD reason to hate Spidey, then HE'D be the star of the book. ;)


SEAN

Thing was he never struck me as paranoid schizophrenic in his first appearance. Just whiney.

[Venoman]

i just think any storyline that involves spidey working with a team or in space just ruins it... hes a loner, and putting him in space just makes it so unrealistic... i want a certain amount of realism in the comics i read.

And i imagine in the movie his origin will be similar to that of the cartoon... they definatly wont be able to delve into the secret wars storyline...

[Rosie]

I wonder what origin they'll use for the movie if it will be venom...

There's an interview somewhree that pretty much implies it will be the cartoon one, as Sam Raimi quite likes that one and knows it bets.

[Sean Whitmore]

I think everyone's missing the obvious here...the Ultimate origin.

The deteriorating relationship between Peter and Harry is gonna be front and center here. I doubt Raimi is going to stray as far from that as to bring in a monster from outer space.

My money is on the symbiote (if Venom is even in the movie) being a creation...either acidental or on purpse...of Oscorp.


SEAN

[Chou Blaster]

Well:

If the Movie it is either that "sample from otuer space." That JJJ's son broguht back in 2 (It's ther,e listen clsoely.) And go with cartoon.

Or it biegn Ultimates as a Oscorp creation.

As for my choice?: I prefer Comics. As Spider Man was a big part of the Secret Wars, and while Guy prefers to be a loner, does work well with a team at times.

Plus SPdie rMan made insults to WOlverine, and pwned the X men in said arc.

[Kinbote]

The comic version was much better. I can't believe you prefer the cartoon. The whole secret wars story arc was amazing in it's day. To have all the heroes of the time lining up against all the villians was, if you were collecting the comics as I was, awesome. Secret Wars rocked, period.

They were both perfect for their respective mediums.

The cartoon origin was simple to show and simple to understand, which is how good cartoons should be.

The comic origin dipped into the richness of its shared universe, which is what good comics should take advantage of whenever they're able.

I agree with both, I prefer the comic version much more than the cartoon, but I can understand why they made it the way they did for the cartoons. I own all the Secret Wars comics and was a kid when they first came out and read them, they do rock imo, and are some of my favorite comics, it was amazing to see that happening in the Marvel world at the time.

I was sad to see and realize that the Secret Wars had to be omitted from the Venom origin. I've actually been kinda hoping that when they introduce Venom in the movies, that Marvel decides to go all out an just put the Secret Wars into the story line somehow.

Maybe..., if I were calling the shots at least, Spiderman could disappear at the end of the next movie, and reappear in a Secret Wars movie after that. That's right! A Secret Wars movie!, possibly a trilogy! It would be such an awesome spectacle of comics to movies that I couldn't even begin to describe. Then, finally in the next Spiderman movie, he could reappear with the suit on back from the SW, and then give Brock and Venom thier original origin, which would be Spiderman 4.

Which would mean they need to decide now, which I'm sure they have allready. Oh well, at best they'll use the cartoon version I'm guessing :/ but the comic one would be incredible to say the least if done how I described true to the comics. It could, and should imo, be the big one, for comic epic battles to the widescreen.

[Rosie]

Ugh, Ultimate Venom is pretty rank.

[Dark Soul # 7]

I liked both origins but I like the cartoon one better for two reasons. 1. It was the first origin I learned about Venom out of the two. 2. I am more comfortable with this origin as it makes more sense.Exactly my opinion.

[moose minion]

I like the cartoon version better.

[Venoman]

kinbote, i think a series of secret wars movies would only appeal to major fans of spiderman and im afraid to say as sad as it is theyre only out to make money. Sam Raimi would possibly like to follow up on that idea but i doubt that the production company or studios would EVER allow it...

[Venom]

Exactly my opinion.

We agree on quite a few things Dark Soul # 7. Well like they say great minds think alike.