Do you like Venom/Carnage? [Archive] - Comic Book Resources Forums

Rosie

10-30-2005, 10:29 AM

No I don't. And why are people who like the characters so defensive about it?

Because of the way people who dislike a character simply can't dislike a character. They must question the person who likes it, blame half of the comic's recent failings on them, and refuse to try and see any other side to the character.

The Wayner

10-30-2005, 11:36 AM

Venom is okay, Carnage is a bit naff.

Hannah

10-30-2005, 11:42 AM

I like Venom better but I don't really mind either.

Dark Soul # 7

10-30-2005, 11:51 AM

They´re ok, I prefer Carnage over Venom.

Herald of Asgard

10-30-2005, 11:59 AM

Carnage baby, all the way.

Sean Whitmore

10-30-2005, 12:08 PM

There should be another option added to the poll:

"I loved Venom until he got his own series and I liked Carnage quite a bit but he never should have returned after his first appearance; now both characters are black holes that suck in everything good around them"

Or, y'know, something like that. :) That's how I'd vote.

SEAN

Stellar

10-30-2005, 12:18 PM

I have to agree. who's stupid idea was it to bond the symbiote to scorpion, anyway. jeeeeeeezus christ....

Carnage is essentially what happens when a good idea gets milked till it's dry. the Venom idea was great, i really like the character. what better enemy for spidey than one with so many likenesses yet so many differences. then those dudes at marvel said 'hey, venom's popular, let's make one more like him!' enter carnage. that's where it all went wrong. Carnage was/is redundant in every sense of the word

Bearpod91

10-30-2005, 12:31 PM

I love them both but there's always that little percentage more for loving Venom. But the crazy criminal inside Carnage is a character I really think is cool.

Stellar

10-30-2005, 12:33 PM

The crazy killer element should have been enough to drive a vilian on its own. but marvel just had to have another symbiote wearing killing machine.

Rosie

10-30-2005, 01:12 PM

I think most people agree V&C were overused, but that's a fault of the way much of Marvel has gone in recent years rather than faults of the characters themselves, so we're ignoring it for this poll.

Avalanche

10-30-2005, 02:10 PM

I like them, but I find them to be entirely overrated. Most people like them because they look cool. If I had to choose one or the other it'd definitely be Carnage. I just think the character Cletus Kasady is really interesting and Carnage is a more fun character to read.

Rosie

10-30-2005, 03:09 PM

I mainly like Carnage because his powers are really cool, and he's such a shocking contrast to all the other villians.

I like Venom because of the way he's interesting as an anti-hero and also has cool powers.

Sean Whitmore

10-30-2005, 07:09 PM

I think most people agree V&C were overused, but that's a fault of the way much of Marvel has gone in recent years rather than faults of the characters themselves, so we're ignoring it for this poll.

I wasn't really referencing the overuse, since Wolverine and Spider-Man are guilty of the same thing. :) It's just that Venom's series, and every one of his appearances in the Spidey books afterwards, were all so inconsistently sucky.

-His weaknesses changed; he lost the vulnerability to fire, and his vulnerability to sound became so drastic you could beat him by yelling into a loudspeaker.

-The symbiote went from eating nothing to eating brains to eating chocolate to eating cancer patients. It also went from being the most benign among a planet of symbiotes to being completely evil. It also went from wanting to permanently bond with one host to hopping bodies like influenza.

-Eddie went from hating Spider-Man for ruining his career to forgetting who Spider-Man is to hating him for killing his ex-wife to not caring about him anymore.

-No matter how many times Eddie and the symbiote "permanently" bond together, they always end up getting split up again somehow.

And it doesn't help that the last couple of times they fought, Spider-Man thrashed Venom like a redheaded stepchild. A couple of those times it was Eddie, other times it wasn't (Scorpion with the symbiote should be an even tougher threat than Eddie).

SEAN

jam37wcc

10-30-2005, 07:35 PM

I like them both okay and they gave us Toxin, which I think can be a really good character. I definitely liked the Toxin mini and loved what they did with the relationship between host and symbiote. Not sure if that relationship has been shown that well for Venom and Carnage and their hosts.

I also voted love them but if I would have noticed the like them option I would have went with that.

Jagernaut

10-30-2005, 07:37 PM

How many other villains were as insane as Carnage was? Everyone had a plan or a motive. Carnage just killed cus it was fun.

Venom has the possibility to be a very deep villain is Marvel pulls the strings right.

streator

10-30-2005, 10:39 PM

Sean Whitmore

10-30-2005, 10:51 PM

venom is okay most of the time.
carnage however needs to be written in a marvel knights/max book if we're really to believe the point of his character (psycho inherits symbiote, kills a lot of people). carnage in the regular mu is too tame, or at least too restricted (if i am understanding the point of the character, that is).

Too restricted?

Carnage racked up an ungodly body account both in his first appearance and "Maximum Carnage". A lot of the gore was off-panel, but that's never been a problem for super villains. The point still got across.

SEAN

Rosie

10-31-2005, 04:31 AM

I wonder if he'll ever get up to the Punisher's Body Count XD

streator

10-31-2005, 06:57 AM

Too restricted?

Carnage racked up an ungodly body account both in his first appearance and "Maximum Carnage". A lot of the gore was off-panel, but that's never been a problem for super villains. The point still got across.

SEAN
yeah, too restricted. his slogan was "let's paint the town red" or something, but in my opinion his psychosis never fully translated to what marvel intended, as most of his evil deeds could not have been shown. i don't think the "point" got across, basically.

Tadhg

10-31-2005, 07:01 AM

yeah, too restricted. his slogan was "let's paint the town red" or something, but in my opinion his psychosis never fully translated to what marvel intended, as most of his evil deeds could not have been shown. i don't think the "point" got across, basically.

Carnage: Mind bomb got the point across pretty well. Dreadful story, though.

Venom

10-31-2005, 08:07 AM

Because of the way people who dislike a character simply can't dislike a character. They must question the person who likes it, blame half of the comic's recent failings on them, and refuse to try and see any other side to the character.

That was the point I was trying to make in my Lay Off Venom! thread.

Venom

10-31-2005, 08:17 AM

Obviously I voted I love them because Venom is my most favourite villian and character of all time and Carnage is my second favourite villian of all time.
I just love everything about them and they can have so much more depth of them explored but no one at Marvel can be bothered to. When I hopefully in a few years become a writer on Spider-Man comics I will explore them both a lot more and try and convince people to understand them better and I am definitely retconning the whole cancer thing about Venom from "The Hunger" storyline.

StoneGold

10-31-2005, 09:31 AM

A bit naff?

There's no poll thing for they both kind of suck, but hate is a bit strong of a word. Because Venom could have been cool a long time ago, but as others have said, Lethal Protectors did a great job of ruining that, and Carnage was nothing but a derivative attempt to have mean ol' Venom back, but still have semi-good Venom still around. But hate implies having some level of emotion about the whole thing, and really, it's just too strong a word. Especially in all caps.

Young Avenger

10-31-2005, 09:32 PM

I liked the Venom/Carnage mini-series. It was a fun read and it brought us Toxin who I think will develop into a great character. Venom is good when used in small doses. Carnage needs to be used more.

Bearpod91

11-01-2005, 06:34 PM

Carnage needs to be used more.

But he's dead.

Sean Whitmore

11-01-2005, 06:43 PM

But he's dead.

This would be at least the second time. ;)

SEAN

Gauss

11-01-2005, 08:13 PM

I'd tend to agree... I love certain versions of Venom and Carnage, but the characters have shifted so much over the years that it's hard to keep them straight. But I'd say that both of them rocked up until Venom hit his "Lethal Protector" phase (or, alternatively, right up until Maximum Carnage)... that Venom kicked ass during his return to villainy in Peter Parker: Spider-man... and that in other uses, it's been a matter of opinion for each reader.

Y'know, strike that last. It's always a matter of opinion for each reader. :)

comic_lover

11-01-2005, 08:17 PM

I love Venom, Carnage not so much.

Fabian

11-02-2005, 07:19 AM

That was the point I was trying to make in my Lay Off Venom! thread.
Honestly, just shut up. You were making fun of other people for liking characters you disliked and that's where the antagonistic behavior stemmed

This is why 12 year olds shouldn't get the internet

Venom

11-02-2005, 07:39 AM

Honestly, just shut up. You were making fun of other people for liking characters you disliked and that's where the antagonistic behavior stemmed

This is why 12 year olds shouldn't get the internet

I'm 17 Asshole! So shut the hell up!

Erik Lehnsherr

11-03-2005, 10:02 AM

I have always supported Carnage. Don't know about that last mini series with Venom though. Didn't look too enticing.

cable guy

11-03-2005, 03:51 PM

I love Venom.

I like Carnage.

Fabian

11-03-2005, 04:40 PM

I'm 17 Asshole! So shut the hell up!
You insulted me while I didn't insult you. That's what you do and what you did in your thread. You're a damn troll

Trystenn

11-03-2005, 04:41 PM

You insulted me while I didn't insult you. That's what you do and what you did in your thread. You're a damn troll
Hey Fabian, why is he being mean to you?

Bloopinator

11-03-2005, 04:55 PM

I'm the only one who voted for "never formed an opinion". Interesting

Bloopinator

11-03-2005, 05:00 PM

I'm 17 Asshole! So shut the hell up!

You're 17? Wow I expected you to be younger. I'm 13 and I'm more mature than you. What's with the anger?

Christopher Ryan

11-03-2005, 07:38 PM

I loved Eddie. Carnage was used to death and quite literally, thank God

Venom

11-04-2005, 07:55 AM

You insulted me while I didn't insult you. That's what you do and what you did in your thread. You're a damn troll

You insulted me by ignorantly think I was 12. You know what forget it I'm not wasting my time on jerks like you.

Venom

11-04-2005, 08:00 AM

You're 17? Wow I expected you to be younger. I'm 13 and I'm more mature than you. What's with the anger?

Are you sure about that? You had an outburst at me for talking about a topic on my own thread though I am grateful you apologised later as I've apologised to Creep and Tadhg Adams for having a go at them.

Venom

11-04-2005, 08:02 AM

Hey Fabian, why is he being mean to you?

Because the jerk had a go at me for having an opinion and I'm not gonna take that lying down from the likes of him.

Arrjay

11-04-2005, 08:04 AM

Well, it sucks that this thread derailed into such a bitter argument. Chill folks. It's just a message board. Everything is gonna be alright. Have fun.

Anyway, I think that both Venom and Carnage have their place in the Spidey books. I like both characters but I'm not completley obsessed with either one.

Venom

11-04-2005, 08:09 AM

foswell

11-04-2005, 08:18 AM

Arrjay

11-04-2005, 08:21 AM

I never liked Venom or Carnage but is it an age thing?I'm an old swine and a few of the older comic geeks I know who have read Spider-Man since the early 70s feel the same way.However my cousin who is considerably younger loves Venom and Carnage but is luke warm to Electro,Mysterio etc who I love.

Aw, that's a pity. Electro is also one of the greatest Spidey villains in my opinion. Mysterio I'm not really quite as familiar with. He has a fishbowl head.

That's pretty weird right there.

Arrjay

11-04-2005, 08:22 AM

Thanks for the friendly advice mate.

No worries.

Dennis K

11-04-2005, 11:39 AM

Both are great characters that suffer from Marvel using them far too much.

Bloopinator

11-04-2005, 03:15 PM

Are you sure about that? You had an outburst at me for talking about a topic on my own thread though I am grateful you apologised later as I've apologised to Creep and Tadhg Adams for having a go at them.

Oh yeah. Must of forgot about that :o

Fabian

11-08-2005, 05:53 AM

You insulted me by ignorantly think I was 12. You know what forget it I'm not wasting my time on jerks like you.
You're right, I was being ignorant. I should had guessed lower

Are you sure about that? You had an outburst at me for talking about a topic on my own thread though I am grateful you apologized later as I've apologised to Creep and Tadhg Adams for having a go at them.
You came off as a dick in your own thread for insulting other people's characters first and then when they criticized yours, you got even more insulting and pulled the whole, "Oh woe is newbie me" routine

Because the jerk had a go at me for having an opinion and I'm not gonna take that lying down from the likes of him.
I'm now having a go at you for having an opinion. I'm having one at you for acting ignorant to that fact that you came on annoying and now act like you didn't do any of those things. Admit to it and just move on and stop wondering why it happens

Venoman

11-08-2005, 02:59 PM

arguments like this are always happening on forums because there are no restrictions... it wouldnt be possible to have arguments like this in real lif... itd probably end up a punch up... but seriously everyone just chill out

Bearpod91

11-08-2005, 03:01 PM

So the majority likes Venom and Carnage...YAY! Hehe...

Venom

11-09-2005, 05:22 AM

You're right, I was being ignorant. I should had guessed lower

You came off as a dick in your own thread for insulting other people's characters first and then when they criticized yours, you got even more insulting and pulled the whole, "Oh woe is newbie me" routine

I'm now having a go at you for having an opinion. I'm having one at you for acting ignorant to that fact that you came on annoying and now act like you didn't do any of those things. Admit to it and just move on and stop wondering why it happens

Ok I did and I'd like to apologise to the people on the Lay Off Venom Thread for being offended but I'd also like to point out that I only insulted Sandman and probably Kraven if you see it that way. Oh yeah Fabian, sorry for calling ya an asshole mate. No hard feelings.

Venoman

11-09-2005, 06:00 AM

kraven was pretty crap... but only because of the whole leopard skin thing.. but apart from that i thought he was cool

Venom

11-09-2005, 06:49 AM

kraven was pretty crap... but only because of the whole leopard skin thing.. but apart from that i thought he was cool

Prelude is right. You're a funny guy Venoman keep on brightening up the forum mate.

Venoman

11-09-2005, 11:06 AM

oh you make a lady like me blush... :o but my humour is often my downfall... it can get people angry and real real pissed

spidermanukfan

11-17-2005, 10:48 AM

Venom is one of my fav badguy of all comics and Carnage well i love him :D .

Alan2099

11-17-2005, 11:01 AM

Venom used to be good, then they tried to turn him into an anti-hero and it just ruined him.

Carnage is a good threat, but there's only so many stories you can tell with the guy.

The idea of the symbites eating adrenilie, or cancer, or whatever is horrible and the symbite constantly jumping to new hosts totally sucks as well.