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cactusmaac
10-28-2005, 08:08 AM
I bought the first six issues of Jim Lee and Brandon Choi's Heroes Reborn FF a while back and was really impressed by how good it was, especially in comparison to how Ultimate FF rebooted the characters. Even moreso since while I think the concept behind the FF is fine, I've never warmed to the Lee\Byrne\Waid runs.

My problem with Ultimate FF is that instead of going back to the original concepts which made the characters popular a la USM and UXM (newbie teen superhero struggles with regular life\young teens and adults operate in a world which hates and fears them), they dumped too many of the classic elements in favour of stuff that just isn't as compelling.

Heroes Reborn FF wisely sticks to what worked in the past, while organically working in new elements that make quite a bit of sense. Thus the team are all full-grown adults - as opposed to teens - who go up on a space mission which is later revealed to be engineered by Dr Doom.

Given how central a character Galactus has become to the FF mythos, he's linked with just about everybody the FF encounters, from the Mole Man to the Skrulls and to the Inhumans. The FF's powers too are derived from the power cosmic since their mission ends up with them being irradiated with the power cosmic as they encounter the Silver Surfer.

Character-wise, the work is spot-on. Instead of being scientifically gifted as in UFF, Sue Storm here is the business brains of the group which is appropriate given how it gives her a competency that the FF would really need someone to have a serious grasp of. Dr Doom is the classic dictator of Latveria and as another logical change, it's revealed that he, Reed, Bruce Banner, Henry Pym and Tony Stark were all part of the same clique in college and were collaborating on an Iron Man style suit of armour before Victor's accident. Adds a whole new dimension when Doom gazes at the brutal form of the Hulk and realises with a shock that it's his old friend Bruce.

Needless to say, the art is really nice especially a full-page illo of Namor reclining on his seashell throne, a panel which says more about his character and mental state than ten pages of text would accomplish. The work on the Namor\Avengers\FF battle in NYC is also among some of Lee's better work and it reminds you just why he made his name as the 90's premiere team artist. Looking at those pages really made me hope he's got a JLA run coming up in the future.

I haven't read much of Choi's work, and internet opinion seems mostly negative about the guy. However, I had no problems with the dialogue as it managed to be suitable comicbooky without sounding overly grandiose or cliched.

Best part of the six issues is how packed with events it is. You get a complete origin, a fight with the Mole Man, Namor's invasion, a trip to Wakanda, a meeting with Doom, the Surfer and the Super-Skrull in Latveria. There's a lot of wild, sci-fi adventure here and I recommend hitting the bargain bins for them.

takashimiike
10-28-2005, 09:41 AM
I've read the whole FF Heroes reborn and enjoyed it a lot more the Ultimate FF as well. Only really complaint was that it seemed like everything was connected a bit to well. Kind of got annoying that every single powerful person the planet were old pals, and all tied to Galatus. I've only read the first 6 issues of UFF and don't think I could continue it because of it's mind-numbingly slow pace. But Heroes Reborn was a lot of fun, the artwork was great, and it had good pacing.

thik_3rd
10-28-2005, 12:19 PM
i didn't really like it that much. a lot of people always called it the best of the reborns (a dubious honor), but i never really dug it.

The Shadow
10-28-2005, 12:22 PM
I've never warmed to the Lee\Byrne\Waid runs.
... am I mis-reading here?

You didn't like the Stan Lee/Jack Kirby issues (the first 100 issues are generally regarded as the best run on the title), The Byrne run (arguably the second best run on the title) or the just finished (and quite awesome) Waid run?

Yet you LIKE the heroes Reborn issues?

bosshog7169
10-28-2005, 12:31 PM
If you never warmed to the Lee/Byrne/Waid runs than I could see why you might like heroes reborn better. As someone who loves those runs though, I didn't like the reborn stuff. The art was great and its cool to see Jim Lee drawing the characters, but past that I couldn't get anything out of this run.

JolietJake
10-28-2005, 04:31 PM
Beyond the artwork, I really don't understand the appeal of the "Heroes Reborn" version of the FF. When the FF debuted in 1961 they caught on because they were different from the usual comic book fare. They had character flaws. They had trouble getting along with each other. Their primary motivation wasn't even necessarily to go out and save the world! Consider the Thing: during most of his early appearances, it's all he can do to hold it together emotionally (and often failing at the task).
Now fast forward to 1996 and what do we get. A bunch of pretty folks affected by cosmic rays who gain superpowers. And do a darn good job making the adjustment! That's interesting? Not to me. In fact in one issue Reed Richards even opines that the group is so relatively well-adjusted because they (gasp) may have done this in another reality! Frankly, I can't think of a better description of the whole Heroes Reborn concept --- Been there, Done that!

cactusmaac
10-28-2005, 04:53 PM
... am I mis-reading here?

You didn't like the Stan Lee/Jack Kirby issues (the first 100 issues are generally regarded as the best run on the title), The Byrne run (arguably the second best run on the title) or the just finished (and quite awesome) Waid run?

Yet you LIKE the heroes Reborn issues?

Regarding Lee\Kirby and Byrne, it's not that I didn't like them or didn't appreciate the craft involved. For whatever reason they just didn't hit the fanboy spot.

As for Waid's run, I can see why it had its' fans but it seemed like something that was designed to appeal to people who were already long-time FF readers.

I see the FF as being the perfect vehicle for thrill-a-minute, madcap sci-fi adventure and until Grant Morrison does the title, Heroes Reborn seems to deliver a vision of the team that is closest to what I'd want an FF title to be.

Something else that came close were the Astro City issues which dealt with the First Family.