Beserk

[Legato]

I know what she went through during the sacrifice in Berserk was horrible but it has been what how many episodes since it happened? So will she or is thare gonna be any sign of Casca mentaly recovering from her ordeal or will this be dragged on until Berserk ends?

[jboncha]

I've wondered the same thing myself recently.
I'm on vol 24 right now and so far no change yet.



J B

[The Xenos]

UP to like vol 29 and not too many hints in the manga. maybe one scene where she kicks ass and takes names for a moment. Though in typical disturbing fashion, it's after a group of guys tries to rape her. That is starting to get old and just disturbing.

Though in the Dreamcast videogame, which I need to get, I saw a clip of a scene toward the end. In it, *spoilers* for a brief moment due to a certain spell that induces madness in everyone else, Caska is back to normal for a moment and recognises Guts.

-Xenos

[Inkthinker]

I think that he's planning on it, eventually, but Miura's a long-form storyteller.

[Guts/Batman]

She will.

Dunno when but she will. But I think Casca will rebel against Gatts and will attempt to join with Griffith again.

[Chou Blaster]

THe Dream Cast game is canon. (Stated in magna.) And that was Mandroga Juice. (WHich heals, but dirves a sane person crazy, but a crazy person sane.)


Miura stated he wants to give Berserk a good/happy ending. Just got ot keep the eyes peeled.

[Legato]

She will.

Dunno when but she will. But I think Casca will rebel against Gatts and will attempt to join with Griffith again.

Join Griffith? Why would Casca join someone who raped her and made her life a living hell?

Didn't know that the Dreamcast ending is canon. I thought it was something that they just use for the game.

[Guts/Batman]

Join Griffith? Why would Casca join someone who raped her and made her life a living hell?

Is she gonna know this fact.

She knows that Gatts tried to rape her, too.

When Griffith returned to graves, she clung to Griffith despite what he did to her.

Is Gatts believable to her?

[Legato]

She knows that Gatts tried to rape her, too.

Damn. And people say Gatts life is messed up. Did he attempted that against his will or willingly?

If I were Casca Id either go with the lesser of two evils and stand by Gatts or say to hell with them both and leave them, if I were sane that is.

[Guts/Batman]

Damn. And people say Gatts life is messed up. Did he attempted that against his will or willingly?

If I were Casca Id either go with the lesser of two evils and stand by Gatts or say to hell with them both and leave them, if I were sane that is.

Well he was possessed by a demon at the time, but it doesn't really change it in Caska's mind. She was lying naked after a group of 4 men tried to rape her, he saw her naked body. Got possessed by the demon and tried to rape her.

She was starting to connect with him but after this he had to drag her along on a chain.

Then that's when the army commander chick came along...

In the manga, volume 27, she recognizes Gatts after Schierke pulls Gatts mind from the armor and mutters "Guts..." in not a happy tone.

Her leaving Gatts is also a possibilty.

[Melchior]

The biggest problem with Casca becoming sane is that she will have to deal with what happened during the Eclipse. As had been mentioned, it might be worse/meaner to actually give her her memories back.

My prediction, is that she does get her memory back (probably from the Fairy King). Then, she goes on a short rampage on Guts and most of the local scenery. Afterwards, Casca will hightale it back to the mainland, and wander around for a while debating whether or not to rejoin the Hawks or rejoin Guts. That will probably be decided after visiting the Hawks (though probably avoiding Griffin). Not sure after that.

[Gaiseric]

Being a litle further along in the story now, and looking back at some (I think seriously overlooked) facts, Casca, most likely get her memory/mind/spirit/soul mended. However I seriously doubt she will leave Guts to go off on her own, or leave Guts for Griffith. In the DC game she did not seem to retain any more or less memories from after the sacrifice, when she became lucid again, and may look upon the Guts attacking and raping ordeal as a bad dream (The games I believe are canon as they were written by Miura, and do not conflict with the manga timeline).

Casca could not return to Griffith even if she wanted to since, even if the elf king can mend her, they have never hinted anything about him being able to remove the brand, and it is not the brand that is causing her insanity or Guts would be the same way, so it can't be assumed that the brand will be gone once she is mended.

The apostles upon becoming apostles were told to do as they wish, so there would really be nothing keeping them from killing her as soon as she returned to the Hawks. She doen't have the protection of Zodd like Guts does (not that Zodd wouldn't let him get killed, he just wants to be the one to do it), and Griffith showed he had no serious attachment to her as an individual by scarificing her, and per the Godhand speeches at the eclipse her death as a sacrifice could only increase his power which is his true desire.

(I suspect that since Griffith's sacrifices were not all consumed his powers as a Godhand are not absolute yet, and there is a flaw somewhere that Guts and Casca will be able to exploit.)

She would also have a very difficult time on her own. She would probably come back after 1/2 a night of trying to fend off spirits by herself. She is a very capable fighter, but she is not as well equipped or as experienced as Guts in fighting spirits, and with a normal sword would be doomed in a .

An alternative however might be that she stays in Elfhelm under the elves protection while Guts goes after Griffith again, but she would have as much if not more cause for revenge as Guts, so I think they will stay together even if they return to the way they originally regarded each other.

Sorry... I'm long winded.

I had in interesting thought however. What might happen if they put casca in the Berserk Armor, since it fortifies the body and mind, and can heal spiritual wounds (obviously still at a cost). I wondered if that could/would heal her, and what would happen if it did, and she got overtaken by it.

[Bat-Reader]

Wait a minute... when did Guts try to rape Casca ? It sounds highly unlikely.

[Guts/Batman]

Wait a minute... when did Guts try to rape Casca ? It sounds highly unlikely.

He did when his inner demon took his mind/body over. I want to say volume 22 or 23.

[Bat-Reader]

He did when his inner demon took his mind/body over. I want to say volume 22 or 23.

Hmm... i haven't read those volumes yet.

[Guts/Batman]

Hmm... i haven't read those volumes yet.

Volume 22 is my favorite. Which one are you caught up with?

[Bat-Reader]

Volume 22 is my favorite. Which one are you caught up with?

13, aftermath of the eclipse.

[Nik Hasta]

13, aftermath of the eclipse.

Dude! Get reading!

So much epic stuff has yet to happen for you! :biggrin:

[Guts/Batman]

Dude! Get reading!

So much epic stuff has yet to happen for you! :biggrin:

Hell yea. I'm pumped for volume 30 coming out on July 15. I haven't read either volume 30 or 31 for quite awhile.

[Bat-Reader]

I'm waiting for my last order which has the berserk vol 14-17. It has been 3 years or so since i have read the vol. 13 btw. I had to wait to order because of some technical difficulties and i don't like to read one of my favorite mangas/animes as cbr files on computer. Though It has its undeniable plus side that it's great to have so much to read about berserk.

[Guts/Batman]

I'm waiting for my last order which has the berserk vol 14-17. It has been 3 years or so since i have read the vol. 13 btw. I had to wait to order because of some technical difficulties and i don't like to read one of my favorite mangas/animes as cbr files on computer. Though all of these has its undeniable plus side that it's great to have so much to read about berserk.

I read the first 27 or so volumes online translated but since Dark Horse told that guy he can't post them, he has translated new chapters. Unfortunately there won't be any new chapters until September 25 or so. I much prefer to having the comics physically.

[Inkthinker]

It's gotten very interesting in the latest chapters, Griffith has essentially (apparently) achieved his goal, by merging the world of magic and the real world... demons, trolls, dragons and the like now wander the land freely, whcih isn't so good for normal people. But Guts and his group (incl. Casca) still haven't arrived at Elfheim.

I'm thinking she will regain her mind, but whether she'll want to stay by his side is another thing altogether. Either way, though, they're both still branded as sacrifices.

[Guts/Batman]

It's gotten very interesting in the latest chapters, Griffith has essentially (apparently) achieved his goal, by merging the world of magic and the real world... demons, trolls, dragons and the like now wander the land freely, whcih isn't so good for normal people. But Guts and his group (incl. Casca) still haven't arrived at Elfheim.

The last few choices have broken my mind. I have no idea what Miura has planned.

[Gaiseric]

Another thng to consider about Casca becoming sane again is whether Griffith will attack Elfheim before or after they arrive. He seems to be systematically targeting all powerful sources of magic, that could possibly threaten his rule. (That could be part of the reason for him visiting Godo's and destroying the cave, since he acts like he has no attachment to Guts prior to the visit.)

That could make for an interesting battle, if Guts is fighting an army of New Band of the Hawk apostles to protect Casca's last possible place of sanctuary, with legions of very powerful elves at his back either fighting, or providing constant healing, and Silke keeping his conciousness in check he could break his already awesome current limits.

[Inkthinker]

It might help to remember that Miura's inspiration for his own seres was the Guin Saga, which is ridiculously huge... He's up somewhere around 33 volumes now, but I bet he want to go for 50 or even 100.

So as epic and crazy as it's gotten, I wouldn't be surprised to learn we're maybe halfway through his planned saga.

As for what's going to happen next... well, in many ways, he's converted their world into a world of true Fantasy. Dragons and elves and trolls aren't legends anymore, they're a terrifying reality. Perhaps there will be Apostles that turn to good, and want to defend people now that they're finding some measure of acceptance even though they're monsters. Certainly there's a need for a man like Guts, and let's not forget that his sword was originally intended to be a Dragon-Slayer.

I just hope they get past this Elfheim arc and move forward. And I kinda hope it works for Farnese and Roderick (because really, Farnese and Serpico is creepy, what with them being half-siblings or something).

[Guts/Batman]

It might help to remember that Miura's inspiration for his own seres was the Guin Saga, which is ridiculously huge... He's up somewhere around 33 volumes now, but I bet he want to go for 50 or even 100.

So as epic and crazy as it's gotten, I wouldn't be surprised to learn we're maybe halfway through his planned saga.

That's what I'm thinking because I heard he said he wanted a happy ending and we're nowhere near a complete and happy ending.


I just hope they get past this Elfheim arc and move forward. And I kinda hope it works for Farnese and Roderick (because really, Farnese and Serpico is creepy, what with them being half-siblings or something).

Creepy? I think its really creepy but that's par for the course.

[Nathan]

hey guys im so happy to finally find a Berserk thread, its my favourite comic ever im on chapter 306 which will be in volume 32 when its finished, on the subject ive always belived that if/when Casca is healed/sane she will follow Griffith remember she chose to stay with Griffith before the eclips, she will always return to Griffith ,Gats works better alone imo, its nice that he has a family of sorts now but i feel he holds them back ,if he loses controll and they cant bring him back i dont thenk anyone or thing will stop him, look at how badass the Skull Knight is

[Guts/Batman]

The entire undertone of Berserk is how great humanity really is. Guts gaining a family of sorts is natural character development. I think it would be a big mistake for Miura to throw that away and do a "did I just lose what I wanted without realizing it" moment like he's done twice already with the character. So far Guts' character development has been pretty damned well spot on. What I love about Berserk is that Miura doesn't screw around with plot development.

While I do believe Caska, if/when healed, choosing Griffith over Guts creates more options for Miura as a writer, she will come back to Guts' side at the end because that tends to the ends of fairy tales, which is what Berserk is. Griffith's character arc is that of a true Anti-Christ character: He seduces by his very nature and gets people to crumble their beliefs voluntarily by merely being in his presence. All except one person, because he was there at the moment he ascended/descended.

Given that Miura has stated he wants a happy ending for the story, I believe the Guts/Caska relationship is the most important thing to Miura at this point. That could change, but I doubt it because Miura is clearly in it for the long haul. In my experience, writers, especially manga writers, always save the most important thing for last.

Also, chapter 306 is going in volume 32? Seriously? Volume 31 ends with chapter 276. That means chapter 306 is going to be in volume 34 or so.

[Gaiseric]

It might help to remember that Miura's inspiration for his own seres was the Guin Saga, which is ridiculously huge... He's up somewhere around 33 volumes now, but I bet he want to go for 50 or even 100.

So as epic and crazy as it's gotten, I wouldn't be surprised to learn we're maybe halfway through his planned saga.

As for what's going to happen next... well, in many ways, he's converted their world into a world of true Fantasy. Dragons and elves and trolls aren't legends anymore, they're a terrifying reality. Perhaps there will be Apostles that turn to good, and want to defend people now that they're finding some measure of acceptance even though they're monsters. Certainly there's a need for a man like Guts, and let's not forget that his sword was originally intended to be a Dragon-Slayer.

I just hope they get past this Elfheim arc and move forward. And I kinda hope it works for Farnese and Roderick (because really, Farnese and Serpico is creepy, what with them being half-siblings or something).

I believe Miura has stated in an interview that he has enough story in mind and wants the the series to break 100 tankoban.

I wish I could read Japanese so I didn't ahve to wait for scans online (I do buy each book as it comes out I only read the scans to keep up with the story, and I encourage everyone else to do the same).

I seriously doubt any apostles will turn good. Remember they are inheirantly evil and self serving in nature, otherwise they would not be apostles in the first place. They have also never been shown as "accepted" in the story. They may have been in positions of power, and feared by normal people in the story, but they have never seemed to garner either respect or acceptance. They are looked on by the public currently as (in the most literal sense) the lesser of 2 evils. I'm sure as soon as the Kushans are out of the picture their (again literally) blood thirsty nature will be turned to the commoners once again only due to securing Griffith's rule, even more of them will be in positions of power.

I still don't think Casca will go back to Griffith when sane. Just like Guts she was there to see first hand Griffith's true nature, and what happens to those who get sucked in by his charisma.

If she went insane after Griffith sacrifiaced everyone, as a result of seeing everyone get killed by monsters she would likely remember that, but may or may not remember Griffith and later Guts each trying to rape and kill her. So she would have more cause to stay with Guts.

If the raping during the eclipse is what drove her insane. She may remember that event and not Guts trying to kill and rape her. If that is the case she would have again more cause to stay with Guts.

If she still remembers everything after her sanity is regained, Griffith raped and sacrificed her, Guts tried to rape and kill her, but fought off the spirit possession coupled with the beast, so that at worst puts Guts and Griffith even on despicable acts committed against her, and at best she realized that Guts fought off the spirit and beast, and realizes that he would never intentionally harm her.

Plus (this seems to keep getting ignored) she still has the brand so she can't go back to Griffith.

I wonder if any of Gut's compatriots are destined to receive the behelit he is carrying?

[Legato]

Since I dont think we have a official Berserk thread I could say this could be a thread to discuss about Berserk and about the topic posted aswell.

On the subject at hand if Casca does remember everything that occurred when she was insane, including Guts almost raping her, then I can picture Casca having a more distant mindset towards Guts.

I mean put yourself in her position. She went through what Griffith did to her and just discovered what Guts almost did to her. Nobody cant blame ber for being a little untrusting towards Guts. While she would eventually come to understand that it was his demon side, not Guts that tried to rape her I could see her being a little more guarded and not letting herself be more vulnerable around those that is close to her.

I dont see Casca going back to Griffith. She would much rather want to kill Griffith herself than to return with him. Come to think of it Casca probably has a more deeper hatred towards Griffith than even Guts do.

Think about it Griffeth not only raped and sacrificed her to the God Hand but he also had her friends of the original Band of Hawks killed and eaten by the demons during the Eclipse. Those were people that Casca grew up with and had a longer relationship with than Guts did. Also Griffith destroyed whatever dignity that defines Casca's identity, right infront of Guts and the demons that were present to witness it during the Eclipse.

So I believe the odds of Casca coming back to Griffith is about as likely as Guts becoming a servant to The God Hand

[Guts/Batman]

Caska may be branded, that means the demons will view her as a sacrifice as well as the intense pain is causes by merely being in his presence, but that doesn't preclude her from going back to Griffith. Griffith's character for most of the story has been of the "do what you want, I don't care as long as you don't get the way of my goal" variety. What's funny about it now is that Griffith by nature of being what he is, doesn't have to actively try to seduce people into corrupting their beliefs. It would be unlikely for her to rejoin the Band of the Hawk, but isn't impossible. If Griffith would accept her back, and I think he would, both human and apostles would follow his word to the T. His cult of personality is just that strong.

Remember the scene in volume 22 when Griffith saved Caska from the falling boulders? None of us what was going through her mind when she went out there and he held her. None of us has any idea what Miura has in mind for what he wants to do with Caska's character. We assume she wanted to go out there to kill him but there are cases in real life where women fall in love with the man who raped them. That's extremely psychologically fucked up, but "extremely psychologically fucked up" is par for the course in Berserk.

The more I think about it, the more one option from both a character and writing standpoint becomes a more attractive option. She splits off from the group entirely. I makes sense for her character because both Guts and Griffith are dangers to her safety in ways that are different. From a storytelling point of view, it frees Guts from the burden of having to choose between going after Griffith and protecting Caska and presents another problem altogether for Guts. Caska may not be as powerful or as destructive as Guts in terms of overall skill and ability, but she isn't too far behind him.

[Legato]

Caska may be branded, that means the demons will view her as a sacrifice as well as the intense pain is causes by merely being in his presence, but that doesn't preclude her from going back to Griffith. Griffith's character for most of the story has been of the "do what you want, I don't care as long as you don't get the way of my goal" variety. What's funny about it now is that Griffith by nature of being what he is, doesn't have to actively try to seduce people into corrupting their beliefs. It would be unlikely for her to rejoin the Band of the Hawk, but isn't impossible. If Griffith would accept her back, and I think he would, both human and apostles would follow his word to the T. His cult of personality is just that strong.

Remember the scene in volume 22 when Griffith saved Caska from the falling boulders? None of us what was going through her mind when she went out there and he held her. None of us has any idea what Miura has in mind for what he wants to do with Caska's character. We assume she wanted to go out there to kill him but there are cases in real life where women fall in love with the man who raped them. That's extremely psychologically fucked up, but "extremely psychologically fucked up" is par for the course in Berserk.

The more I think about it, the more one option from both a character and writing standpoint becomes a more attractive option. She splits off from the group entirely. I makes sense for her character because both Guts and Griffith are dangers to her safety in ways that are different. From a storytelling point of view, it frees Guts from the burden of having to choose between going after Griffith and protecting Caska and presents another problem altogether for Guts. Caska may not be as powerful or as destructive as Guts in terms of overall skill and ability, but she isn't too far behind him.

That is exactly why I cant see Casca falling inlove with Guts again should she remember everything that happened including the attempted rape that Guts did to her. Im sure she will forgive him in the long run, more than she would Griffith, but I doubt the love that Guts and Casca had before the Eclipse will return.

Like I said before I predict that in the end Casca could seperate herself from Guts but will eventually forgive him in the long run the minute she realizes that what Guts did was that he wasn;t in control of his actions at the time. So eventually I could see them becoming friends again atleast

[Guts/Batman]

That is exactly why I cant see Casca falling inlove with Guts again should she remember everything that happened including the attempted rape that Guts did to her. Im sure she will forgive him in the long run, more than she would Griffith, but I doubt the love that Guts and Casca had before the Eclipse will return.

Like I said before I predict that in the end Casca could seperate herself from Guts but will eventually forgive him in the long run the minute she realizes that what Guts did was that he wasn;t in control of his actions at the time. So eventually I could see them becoming friends again atleast

I bet the love the two had before the eclipse will come back at the end of the story. Their lives events will have a lasting impression on the shape of their love without question because that's what happens out here in the real world, but they will find the love they once had. That's what happens in fairy tales, and Berserk is a fairy tale, albeit one of the most complex and largest in scale fairy tales ever created. Fairy tales are always about the journey of the characters because the overall plot of them is pretty predictable. For all that Miura does to make his world extremely fucked up, the end of the story is Guts putting down the sword and finding a way to live with Caska without the sword.

Caska separating herself from Guts is just a movement of the characters. There is a possibility of Caska finding her own love interest but Miura wouldn't put that much effort into these volumes where Guts was journeying to Elfhelm is their relationship wasn't one of the most important things to Miura.

[Legato]

I bet the love the two had before the eclipse will come back at the end of the story. Their lives events will have a lasting impression on the shape of their love without question because that's what happens out here in the real world, but they will find the love they once had. That's what happens in fairy tales, and Berserk is a fairy tale, albeit one of the most complex and largest in scale fairy tales ever created. Fairy tales are always about the journey of the characters because the overall plot of them is pretty predictable. For all that Miura does to make his world extremely fucked up, the end of the story is Guts putting down the sword and finding a way to live with Caska without the sword.

Caska separating herself from Guts is just a movement of the characters. There is a possibility of Caska finding her own love interest but Miura wouldn't put that much effort into these volumes where Guts was journeying to Elfhelm is their relationship wasn't one of the most important things to Miura.


I dont really see one of those Happily Ever After kind of endings for Casca and Guts should Miura end the series. Yes I agree that Miura created his very own twisted fairy tale in Berserk but to be honest in a world as screwed up as Berserk is a Happy Ending isn't in that universes future. Thare are two kinds of endings for that universe. A downer ending or a bitter sweet ending. We would be lucky to have a bitter sweet ending that is close to a happy ending but you would have that, this isn't over kind of feeling.

I can picture Guts being killed by the end of the series but Casca lives. Casca would probably end up becoming a heroine in her own right and maybe form her own Band of Hawks or another group with a different name. Guts and Casca could reclaim that love they had but one of them probably wont live long enough to make the reunion last.

Miura is the kind I could picture creating some kind of downer ending when this series ends. Griffith could be killed but I predict that the ending would imply that a new God Hand is taking Griffith's place.

Now I would be a little shocked if a pure happy ending happened in Berserk but as I said the universe is too messed up for that to be executed well

[Guts/Batman]

Now I would be a little shocked if a pure happy ending happened in Berserk but as I said the universe is too messed up for that to be executed well

I wouldn't be surprised at all. Miura is as skilled a writer as I've read in my years reading comics of any kind. To get to a happy ending, it will take a very, very long time to resolve all of the issues. With what I've heard from the man, he's in it for the long haul. Long enough to resolve all those issues. I have faith that Miura will come through. That's why I continue to read this story while I have dropped Marvel and DC for the same exact issues.

[Legato]

I wouldn't be surprised at all. Miura is as skilled a writer as I've read in my years reading comics of any kind. To get to a happy ending, it will take a very, very long time to resolve all of the issues. With what I've heard from the man, he's in it for the long haul. Long enough to resolve all those issues. I have faith that Miura will come through. That's why I continue to read this story while I have dropped Marvel and DC for the same exact issues.

This is exactly why I have given up on Marvel and DC also. With Miura you would atleast expect a ending that could be satisfying to the fans that has followed his series since day one. Whatever ending Miura will give us Im sure it will be unexpected.

Personally I hope for a happy ending for both Guts and Casca. If anyone in that universe deserves a happy ending it's those two

[Gaiseric]

I hope the story has a happy ending, but bittersweet is the most likely outcome. Of most of the manga's I've read and anime I watched bittersweet is about as happy as the writes get.

I can see Guts and Casca teaming up eventually to kill Griffith, but I fear Guts may become akin to skull knight in the battle, if not before. The only way they may be powerful enough to defeat Griffith is if Guts gets consumed, and Casca puts on the Berserk Armor. Then fighting along Guts in a skull knight form, and possibly Sskull Knight himself lay an absolute and inescapable seige to Griffiths army, Griffith, and possibly the rest of the Godhand.

Have we decided if the games are canon yet? I ask because I was playing Millinium Falcon (the Berserk PS2 import) last night, and in the end movie even after the attempted rape (in the first stage of the game) Casca willingly lays down and cuddles up next to an exhausted and harmless Guts, despite the fact that he is covered in blood and still exhausted, but still viscious looking.

[Guts/Batman]

I think the final fight of the story will be Guts and Zodd, not Guts and Griffith. Skull Knight has said he is destined to kill Void. Who knows about Conrad, Slan and the little flying Godhand. They are angels of God after all. I think Guts will remain human but will get ever closer to the monster-human edge. Either that or he will being what Skull Knight is then come back to humanity when all is said and done. No happy or even bittersweet ending is possible with Guts non-human.

Also, why would the games be considered canon at the level of the manga? Especially if the story differs?

One of the things I'm most interested in seeing is Zodd's backstory. How he came to be an Apostle. Who he sacrificed. Whether he and Guts are related somehow. I really like that he's become much more integral part of the story.

[Gaiseric]

We had talked about the story being canon because Miura wrote the story for the games himself, the story elements don't conflict with the existing manga story and time line(they only add to it, all manga elements that weren't too graphic were included in the game). And I'm not entire sure on this last one, but i think Miura has said at least the DC game is meant to be part of the actual story line, I know several other people have said they consider the games canon.

[Gaiseric]

I think the final fight of the story will be Guts and Zodd, not Guts and Griffith. Skull Knight has said he is destined to kill Void. Who knows about Conrad, Slan and the little flying Godhand. They are angels of God after all. I think Guts will remain human but will get ever closer to the monster-human edge. Either that or he will being what Skull Knight is then come back to humanity when all is said and done. No happy or even bittersweet ending is possible with Guts non-human.

Also, why would the games be considered canon at the level of the manga? Especially if the story differs?

One of the things I'm most interested in seeing is Zodd's backstory. How he came to be an Apostle. Who he sacrificed. Whether he and Guts are related somehow. I really like that he's become much more integral part of the story.


What chapter did Skull Knight say he was destined to kill Void? I remember him saying that Void is his Enemy, but no that he was necessarilly destined to kill him.

[Len Ikari145]

I hope the story has a happy ending, but bittersweet is the most likely outcome. Of most of the manga's I've read and anime I watched bittersweet is about as happy as the writes get.

I can see Guts and Casca teaming up eventually to kill Griffith, but I fear Guts may become akin to skull knight in the battle, if not before. The only way they may be powerful enough to defeat Griffith is if Guts gets consumed, and Casca puts on the Berserk Armor. Then fighting along Guts in a skull knight form, and possibly Sskull Knight himself lay an absolute and inescapable seige to Griffiths army, Griffith, and possibly the rest of the Godhand.

Have we decided if the games are canon yet? I ask because I was playing Millinium Falcon (the Berserk PS2 import) last night, and in the end movie even after the attempted rape (in the first stage of the game) Casca willingly lays down and cuddles up next to an exhausted and harmless Guts, despite the fact that he is covered in blood and still exhausted, but still viscious looking.

As I understand, the Dreamcast game is the only canon one to the series.

[Legato]

As I understand, the Dreamcast game is the only canon one to the series.

I dont think so. The ending of the game had Casca sane while in the series she is still crazy

[Legato]

I do wonder has Guts ever regretted meeting Griffith? I mean ever since surviving the Eclipse Im sure that thare must have came a point that he probably wishes that if he never meet him then maybe his life would have been a little different.

Then again if thare is one thing that he finds his meeting with Griffith worth it then it would be that he atleast got a chance to meet Casca aswell. Although I bet a part of him wonders that if he hadn't entered in Casca's life then would she be in the situation she is in right now

[Guts/Batman]

What chapter did Skull Knight say he was destined to kill Void? I remember him saying that Void is his Enemy, but no that he was necessarilly destined to kill him.

This was back in volume 12 or 13. I'll have to look but I'm fairly certain he said he was destined to kill him. It's the official DH translation.

[Gaiseric]

I dont think so. The ending of the game had Casca sane while in the series she is still crazy

Se becomes sane, after being taken in by the namdragoran, and once freed says a few words to Guts, but she reverts after a fer seconds of seperation from mandragoran in the DC game. She is not sane at the end of it.

[Gaiseric]

Se becomes sane, after being taken in by the namdragoran, and once freed says a few words to Guts, but she reverts after a fer seconds of seperation from mandragoran in the DC game. She is not sane at the end of it.

I just double checked on the DC Game Movies.

She comes to after being freed from the mandragoran then:

Guts - Casca, Casca hang in there my love.
Casca - Gatsu
Guts - Casca, you know who I am!
Casca - Gatsu, my dear, I was dreaming, A really bad dream...
Guts - Casca.
Casca - Guts... Ugh (faints)
Guts - Casca... Casca... Casca
Casca - staring around blankly again - ohh ahh...
Guts - Casca
Casca (randomly laughing)
Guts - My love come back...
Puck - She went back to normal because she was posessed by the mandragora. It make sane people crazy, but crazy people sane.
Rita - Poor Gatsu... so close.

Then the brand starts to bleed
Guts - Casca wait.

Then you have to run off to fight Balzac and Transformed Balzac.

[Gaiseric]

This was back in volume 12 or 13. I'll have to look but I'm fairly certain he said he was destined to kill him. It's the official DH translation.

I looked back in every instance I remember the skull knight appearing, and I didn't see him mention that Guts was destined to do anything but walk in darkness haunted by apostles and the dead. vols 13 & 14 he jsut explains to Guts about the interstice, and if he hunts the creatures of darkness, he may be consumed by it.

[Guts/Batman]

I looked back in every instance I remember the skull knight appearing, and I didn't see him mention that Guts was destined to do anything but walk in darkness haunted by apostles and the dead.

Then I messed up on the pronoun/noun thing in my post. Skull Knight said he himself at the Eclipse was destined to kill Void.

[Kevin M.]

Has any updates been made to Berserk yet?

[Guts/Batman]

Has any updates been made to Berserk yet?

None since June 25, when that round from May till June ended. The next round are set for September 25.

[Nathan]

None since June 25, when that round from May till June ended. The next round are set for September 25.

what are ye talking about ?...sorry if that comes off as stupid :)


another question i have is does anyone here suspect that Guts is more than just human , i mean he survived his mothers hanging to be born and its never been stated who his fater is?

and i dont think Guts regrets meeting Griffith i think he regrets leaveing the band of the Hawk causeing its Downfall

[Guts/Batman]

what are ye talking about ?...sorry if that comes off as stupid :)

At the end of the last update, around June 25. It stated the next updated chapter would be September 25 on the last page. That was chapter 206.The translation may have been incorrect I suppose, but I think it means chapter 307 won't be out until September 25.


another question i have is does anyone here suspect that Guts is more than just human , i mean he survived his mothers hanging to be born and its never been stated who his fater is?

I believe his father is Nosferatu Zodd.

[Legato]

At the end of the last update, around June 25. It stated the next updated chapter would be September 25 on the last page. That was chapter 206.The translation may have been incorrect I suppose, but I think it means chapter 307 won't be out until September 25.



I believe his father is Nosferatu Zodd.

Either Zodd or Skull Knight could be Guts father.

[Guts/Batman]

Either Zodd or Skull Knight could be Guts father.

I don't think its Skull Knight, but that also makes sense. Skull Knight has ties to both Griffith and Guts, after all. Hell, all four characters are linked together. We don't even know Zodd's history yet and barely know any of Skull Knight's.

[Gaiseric]

Either Zodd or Skull Knight could be Guts father.

I don't think Skull Knight would be. If Skull Knight is Emperor Gaiseric, Void is his arch enemy as most believe, and Void was the first Godfinger that means that by natural life span alone causing the armor to consume him, Skull Knight would have turned about 900 years ago, and I'd assume would have lost the ability to reproduce (seeing how everthing else the armor consumes loses it's potency as well).

Zodd on the other hand I hadn't thought about. There has not been a precedent set (that I remember) one way or the other for an apostle/demon impregnating someone, and in the case of Casca's rape, she was already pregnant, and the fetus was corrupted. However being that apostles start out as human they might still carry the ability to reproduce... Interesting thought.

Also I see Zodd as a fighter not a lover. Apostles all seem to be attracted by some specific purpose. Wyald liked to get it on; Zodd and Grunbeld enjoy intense combat; the Snake tyrant was just a sadist, the Count wanted inquisition, Rosine wanted a haven for children, and Ganishka rule over all lands.

[Legato]

I don't think its Skull Knight, but that also makes sense. Skull Knight has ties to both Griffith and Guts, after all. Hell, all four characters are linked together. We don't even know Zodd's history yet and barely know any of Skull Knight's.

That and it could explain why Skull Knight saved Casca and Guts from the Eclipse. If Skull Knight isn't Guts father then he must have some sort of connection to Guts

[Guts/Batman]

Also I see Zodd as a fighter not a lover. Apostles all seem to be attracted by some specific purpose. Wyald liked to get it on; Zodd and Grunbeld enjoy intense combat; the Snake tyrant was just a sadist, the Count wanted inquisition, Rosine wanted a haven for children, and Ganishka rule over all lands.

Garnishka also wanted to get it on with the princess because he felt like warring like a human. That necessarily involved making the princess bear his children to create a new line of kings because that was the tradition of the lands in this story. Now after the Griffith came back, he took a more supernatural response to it because he had to.

I think the Preacher Apostle didn't necessarily want Inquisition but wanted to make everyone believe in "God" as he did. That makes complete sense because God's angels did rescue him from death. The inquisition was a means of doing that.

The other thing that I can think of is that the paternity of Guts' father isn't all that important anyways since the story is about how great humanity is, and for that to be a fully evolved theme Guts has to be all human. Guts himself hasn't cared once who is father was. That's good enough for me.

Skull Knight's history is interesting in relation to this because we don't know what exactly his role was when Supreme King Gaiseric's kingdom was around. What made God decide to act the way he did? Is Skull Knight a "fallen angel," so to speak, making the parallel of Void as the Archangel Michael and Skull Knight Lucifer?

And yes, I know when I refer to the word "angel" most of us think of the Godhand as "demons," not angels.

[Guts/Batman]

That and it could explain why Skull Knight saved Casca and Guts from the Eclipse. If Skull Knight isn't Guts father then he must have some sort of connection to Guts

Especially true, given the fact that coincidences, at least of this kind, don't exist in Berserk.

[Nathan]

At the end of the last update, around June 25. It stated the next updated chapter would be September 25 on the last page. That was chapter 206.The translation may have been incorrect I suppose, but I think it means chapter 307 won't be out until September 25.



I believe his father is Nosferatu Zodd.


what happened in the last issue you read (spoiler >) in the last issue i read Griffith turned into Femto after the Skull knight attacks him and the god hand appear

[Guts/Batman]

what happened in the last issue you read (spoiler >) in the last issue i read Griffith turned into Femto after the Skull knight attacks him and the god hand appear

No. The last chapter I read was where all of the mythical creatures appeared in the real world, and the Earth was phycially changing. The chapter you are referring to is chapter 304, I think.

[Nathan]

No. The last chapter I read was where all of the mythical creatures appeared in the real world, and the Earth was phycially changing. The chapter you are referring to is chapter 304, I think.

yip your right but i have now read up tp 306 which has a splash page at the end which looks like a giant Brain or something ive been waiting nearly a year for the last 4 chapters how come it takes so long ?

[Guts/Batman]

yip your right but i have now read up tp 306 which has a splash page at the end which looks like a giant Brain or something ive been waiting nearly a year for the last 4 chapters how come it takes so long ?

Probably because Miura does both the writing and drawing, very detailed at that, of Berserk. American comics would sure as hell not be monthly if that was the case. I'm looking at the last splash page of chapter 306. It distinctly says "Next Berserk. No. 19. September 25" on it. I don't think that's Void in the picture but Garnishka's giant form. Could be a giant brain, I don't know.

Do you read Japanese? I know the translated versions of these chapters got released on the site where I read them one or about the day the last chapter says it will be out. Which has been May 28, June 14, June 25 or so on the last 3 chapters. If you don't need the translated chapters like I do, then we're talking a different set of circumstances.

I now remember the splash page in question. It nearly broke my mind when I saw it the first time. Page 14 of chapter 306.

[Nathan]

Probably because Miura does both the writing and drawing, very detailed at that, of Berserk. American comics would sure as hell not be monthly if that was the case. I'm looking at the last splash page of chapter 306. It distinctly says "Next Berserk. No. 19. September 25" on it. I don't think that's Void in the picture but Garnishka's giant form. Could be a giant brain, I don't know.

Do you read Japanese? I know the translated versions of these chapters got released on the site where I read them one or about the day the last chapter says it will be out. Which has been May 28, June 14, June 25 or so on the last 3 chapters. If you don't need the translated chapters like I do, then we're talking a different set of circumstances.

I now remember the splash page in question. It nearly broke my mind when I saw it the first time. Page 14 of chapter 306.


no dude, i wish i could read/speak Japanese , i bougt up to volume 23 from my local comic shop but the stoped getting them in so the rest i read online , got into Berserk after watching the series in french...weird i know...ive always been an X-man fan but once i started reading Berserk it blew me away ,American & europien comics suck in comparison, the only thing i hate about Berserk is theres too much rape in it ,the rest is pure awesomeness

[Guts/Batman]

no dude, i wish i could read/speak Japanese

Then I don't know the reason for the discrepancy in time in you having to wait a year for the last 4 chapters while I read them all for the first time in the last 3 months...

[Guts/Batman]

no dude, i wish i could read/speak Japanese

Then I don't know the reason for the discrepancy in time in you having to wait a year for the last 4 chapters while I read them all for the first time in the last 3 months...

[Gaiseric]

I know I read somewhere that Miura had put Berserk on hiatus for a little while, but that he is working on it again now. I'm not sure the reason. I think it was an anime news network. It was around December. That could explain the translation delay somewhat.

[Guts/Batman]

I know I read somewhere that Miura had put Berserk on hiatus for a little while, but that he is working on it again now. I'm not sure the reason. I think it was an anime news network. It was around December. That could explain the translation delay somewhat.

Also, the French translations must be getting done before the English ones. Makes me almost want to learn the language.

Anywho, I thought the Skull Knight said he himself was destined to kill Void at the Eclipse but he makes no such statement. I remember someone saying "I'm destined to kill you someday. Will this be the day?" but I don't remember where. I could be just making this up as well.

[Kevin M.]

Just caught up with the recent chapters.


That was just balls out crazy.

[Guts/Batman]

Just caught up with the recent chapters.


That was just balls out crazy.

Yes it was. It almost broke my mind.

[Kevin M.]

Yes it was. It almost broke my mind.


It was more like a acid trip with some of those pages.

[Nathan]

yeup but not enough Guts in the last few chapters

[Guts/Batman]

It's alright. I get the feeling Guts will be in the next section of the story a lot. It's better to go in blocks and not go back and forth between the two different storylines. If they blur at spots, that's okay but switching back and forth would hinder the story.

Griffith's plot is interesting and deserves not to be meddled with. Besides, it's Berserk. We all know this thing isn't going to be ending soon and we all know that Guts is the main character so his turn will come back very soon. This style helps to not burn the readers out on main characters.

[Nathan]

so how long will Berserk go for ,will it ever end or will it be like Batman and go on forever

[Inkthinker]

Difficult to say. Miura has stated before that his favorite series is the Guin Saga, which stretches over 100 volumes. He's just over 30 volumes now, and it seems like with recent events things are just getting more interesting and complicated rather than less so. If I had to guess, we're going to at least 40 (assuming he starts wrapping things quickly), possibly 50 or more.

I think Miura may possibly be satisfied with making this his epic, his masterpiece, his magnum opus. He is himself 43, and his series is about twenty years old now (it began in '89). If he's serious about matching something like the Guin Saga then we're probably in for at least another 10 years of Berserk awesomeness.

[Hazard]

so how long will Berserk go for ,will it ever end or will it be like Batman and go on forever

Manga unlike comics generally don't go on forever. Some times editorial decisions will make the author continue the story even past the point where he wanted to end it (like dragonball Z), but it usually comes to an end.

Besides it isn't as if Berserk is that long. It is shorter than Naruto and One Piece, and Bleach will probably surpass it in less than a year. The reason it feels long is that it takes a long time for each new issue to come out. Which is because as many have said before it takes a long time to make art that good, not to mention the author has had health problems in the past if I remember right. As a result you can't even call Berserk a monthly manga.

[Nathan]

that all sounds awesome , i would like a happy ending for Guts , and not have it draged out , some issues drag out a bit but the overall story has a nice pace to it

[Gaiseric]

I believe Miura has been quoted saying he has enough material in his head for over 100 tankoban. For some reason 110 is coming to mind, but I'm having trouble finding the interview, so that could be nothing.

But if he's in his 40's and 1/4 to 1/3 of the story has taken him 20 years, he better step on it, or he won't get it finished, and I'll be very sad until I die of old age a few years later.