Principal: School 'willing to sponsor a prom, but not an orgy'

[Dreadstar]

They do senior trips down here too. There was a big scandal a few years ago because a senior class from one of the wealthier schools (public but a wealthy part of town) went to somewhere in Mexico and partied with two guys who were classmates but not on the trip because they were on the lam for burglary. They'd been regularly breaking into houses around town. For kicks. Plenty of funds. Too many, really. Once they got fingered, they headed south. Parents were sending them money. Like that one date rapist who spent ten years in Europe.

Heh, the clincher was that when the aforementioned class behind us went to Disney World, they got into so much trouble, thrown out of the park, actually sank one of the powerboats, drunken and disorderly, that Senior Class trips were cancelled for 2 years afterwards.

THEIR junior class was seriously pissed at them, and all but gave them the same prom we got, and spent THEIR money on their OWN Senior afterprom the following year.

[west3man]

west3man? Is this snark?

If so, can we expect your taking him to task over it anytime soon?
I've criticized bfrank plenty of times and vice-versa.

Anyone who's seen us interact over a long enough period of time knows this. Anyone who's watched me at CBR long enough knows that I will defend, even those I disagree with, and I will criticize those I like or who agree with me.

This is something I'm proud of, but not something I feel I need to do at each and every opportunity.


I hope that answers your question well enough for you to never need to ask me this or make any such implications again.

[Joe Rice]

right back atcha, spock....

I apologized. You're still being a dick.


well yes, in that she quoted my post, but where did I say he could have no opinion, I adsked him who he was to tell them what was "rather much"...

so again, if you aren't going to respond to what is actually there, don't bother...

You not being able to understand that she did do so is no fault of her own. People don't need to say "in my opinion." That's ridiculous. If it weren't Guapo's opinion, then he wouldn't be saying it.

[bfrank]

You're going to be hostile to me regardless, .

sorry, I missed this, weren't you the one that was just calling west3man "egotistical"...

I'd call you a hypocrite, but I don't want you to think I'm being "hostile"....

[K'Nort]

If that were true, he would have said "in my opinion"...simply stating "that's rather much" implies that he knows what's best for these people....

The way I see these boards, 100% of the posts is an opinion. So it's implied. But yes, no one technically knows what is best. Some may be more qualified due to personal experience and training and stuff, but this is all opinion.

[Corrina]

It was no more of a jab than post #661, the origination of the line of digression was.

Wasn't that post 666?

[Dreadstar]

I've criticized bfrank plenty of times and vice-versa.

Anyone who's seen us interact over a long enough period of time knows this. Anyone who's watched me at CBR long enough knows that I will defend, even those I disagree with, and I will criticize those I like or who agree with me.

This is something I'm proud of, but not something I feel I need to do at each and every opportunity.


I hope that answers your question well enough for you to never need to ask me this or make any such implications again.


OK!

So... is it snark and are you going to take him to task for it if it is?

[K'Nort]

Heh, the clincher was that when the aforementioned class behind us went to Disney World, they got into so much trouble, thrown out of the park, actually sank one of the powerboats, drunken and disorderly, that Senior Class trips were cancelled for 2 years afterwards.

THEIR junior class was seriously pissed at them, and all but gave them the same prom we got, and spent THEIR money on their OWN Senior afterprom the following year.

I really don't understand making one class dependent on the behaviour of another. That's just like allowing fraternities to torture freshmen.

[bfrank]

I apologized. You're still being a dick.

right back atcha, data....




You not being able to understand that she did do so is no fault of her own. People don't need to say "in my opinion." That's ridiculous. If it weren't Guapo's opinion, then he wouldn't be saying it.

not agreeing = not understanding..

People do need to make them selves clear...that's why you were all pissy at West, re: I'm not lying comment...see K'nort's "hypocrite" and move along....

[bfrank]

The way I see these boards.
stop right there....

[K'Nort]

sorry, I missed this, weren't you the one that was just calling west3man "egotistical"...

I'd call you a hypocrite, but I don't want you to think I'm being "hostile"....

I said that it was egotistical to assume that every time someone made sweeping generalizations of "some people" being (something random negative) that they were personally thinking about him, yes. But that's not really insulting, I think. In theory, it's supposed to be helpful. How is it better to let him keep seeing everything that way and keep getting all worked up and upset? True, egotistical tends to have negative connotations. But frankly I was at a loss for a positive-spin version.

And I'm fine with you calling me a hypocrite. I'm always going to get somewhat pissy or hypersensitive when replying because you regularly attack me. But that's your right too.

[Slam_Bradley]

I apologized. You're still being a dick.

You not being able to understand that she did do so is no fault of her own. People don't need to say "in my opinion." That's ridiculous. If it weren't Guapo's opinion, then he wouldn't be saying it.


At the risk of stating the obvious, bfrank has shown that he is utterly unwilling to comprehend anything that he doesn't write himself. You might as well pound your head against the wall.

[Joe Rice]

right back atcha, data....


Live long and prosper, troll.

[Dreadstar]

Wasn't that post 666?



IT'S DA DEBIL!

[K'Nort]

stop right there....

Do you mean "In my opinion, the way I see these boards" is what I'm supposed to be saying instead?

If Jonah could give us a macro, maybe.

[Dreadstar]

At the risk of stating the obvious, bfrank has shown that he is utterly unwilling to comprehend anything that he doesn't write himself. You might as well pound your head against the wall.

In other words:

"See, it's fully relevant to expect certain behavior from people, when they've exhibited that behavior before."

[JeffreyWKramer]

Strip Scrabble.

With double points for using dirty words.

Also a very fun game.

Geez, that brings back memories. The memories would be better if so many didn't involve my ex-wife, but still...

[K'Nort]

Backtracking a bit, I completely missed this android thing somewhere.

[Corrina]

OK!

So... is it snark and are you going to take him to task for it if it is?

:hides "Got Snark?" t-shirt:

[bfrank]

I said that it was egotistical to assume that every time someone made sweeping generalizations of "some people" being (something random negative) that they were personally thinking about him, yes. But that's not really insulting, I think. In theory, it's supposed to be helpful. How is it better to let him keep seeing everything that way and keep getting all worked up and upset? True, egotistical tends to have negative connotations. But frankly I was at a loss for a positive-spin version.

And I'm fine with you calling me a hypocrite. I'm always going to get somewhat pissy or hypersensitive when replying because you regularly attack me. But that's your right too.

still with the ego....
I don't regularly attack you, however you do seem to bring up things that have no maning to the discussion at hands, ie: what I'm wearing....you made the mess, don't get mad at me....

[Dreadstar]

:hides "Got Snark?" t-shirt:

Ooooo! Does it come in black in an XLT?

[west3man]

You've said this before, but it's not what we're talking about, west. We're talking about being thin-skinned. The impression you often give off is that you're almost searching for a way to take offense and to argue about something. Now, you probably don't see it that way, but it's something to think about. Yes. I do think about this often, in fact.

What I also think about his how often people misinterpret other people's actions, emotions, or motivations. I don't come into any conversation looking to be offended. In fact, I wasn't the one who first expressed offense or disrespect, in this one.

It's just as possible that it's other people who are misinterpreting.

So, where do we go from there? In my opinion, since there's not much in the way of across-the-board standards (well, besides the "insult" rule, which has been addressed) I think it comes down to the effort shown. How much we show that we're willing to TRY to understand the other person's point-of-view can make the difference. It does for me.

I need to see it in others. When I thought I saw it in you, I tried to put any negative impressions aside to see where it took us. That's genuine and I think it says something.

I also try to show it, by asking questions, instead of making accusations. In the face of those questions, though, I'm often subjected to accusations. Let me tell you, when you're trying really hard to understand someone's point-of-view and to not say anything that might make the situation worse, it makes one less interested in sarcasm from the other side.

The harder I try, the less impresssed I am by *apparent* lack of effort from others.

Everyone has emotions. Not everyone lets message board threads manipulate their emotions. This is key, as well.

I've seen this before and it always pops up when convenient, then disappears when it's not. This is a general criticism, but not a dig. I hope you agree with that, if not the following:


People say we shouldn't let message boards get us upset, but then they also make claims about people being disingenuous. Why is being genuine worthy of a message board, but being displeased is not? Why is love worthy, but being upset is not? They are simply emotions which we allow ourselves to feel or express.

We can't have it both ways. Either our interactions and friendships on message boards are real or they're not. If they're real, then they're subject to emotions - both positive and negative. There's nothing wrong with that, imo.

Again, it's just in how we handle them and how we respond to each other.

[Forsaken_One]

Do you mean "In my opinion, the way I see these boards" is what I'm supposed to be saying instead?

If Jonah could give us a macro, maybe.
No, that's not really needed. The words "I see" are enough to show it as your opinion, I think he's probably just saying he doesn't care what your opinion is.

Fifty-two pages. Man, I like mods who close threads.

[bfrank]

Live long and prosper, troll.
Ok, dick...

[K'Nort]

still with the ego.....

Has it made any more sense though? What would be a good alternative, term-wise? Paranoid seemed too mean as well. Hyper-sensitive?

[west3man]

I said that it was egotistical to assume that every time someone made sweeping generalizations of "some people" being (something random negative) that they were personally thinking about him, yes.
This is an important statement and is highly similar to how you reacted to my statement.

I wasn't personally thinking about you, but you said "specifically" twice in your description of my statement, when it was anything but specific.

[Joe Rice]

I think message boards are designed for light, good times. Discussions, exchanges of information. It's OK to have fun there because that's what they're designed for. But once they're getting you upset, something is wrong. I think that's the difference. I think it's easy to have one and not the other. It's a message board, not an important life event. Take what fun you can from it and leave the rest behind.

[bfrank]

No, that's not really needed. The words "I see" are enough to show it as your opinion, I think he's probably just saying he doesn't care what your opinion is.

Fifty-two pages. Man, I like mods who close threads.




"the way I see blahblahblah" is very very different then stating that some one is spending "rather much"... again, who are you to tell me what "rather much" is....not a hard question, and I'm not understanding why you all are making it one...

[Slam_Bradley]

I think message boards are designed for light, good times. Discussions, exchanges of information. It's OK to have fun there because that's what they're designed for. But once they're getting you upset, something is wrong. I think that's the difference. I think it's easy to have one and not the other. It's a message board, not an important life event. Take what fun you can from it and leave the rest behind.


You have come so far in your journey to enlightenment, Grasshopper.

[JeffreyWKramer]

I think message boards are designed for light, good times. Discussions, exchanges of information. It's OK to have fun there because that's what they're designed for.

Which is again why I advocate talking about orgies and strip Scrabble, rather than prom and arguments which stretched over 371 posts.

But, as always, YMMV.

[Davideaux]

I agree that message boards are designed for fun exchanges. But they can be serious for certain communities. For instance, look at the uproar when Rita's was shut down. Many posters couldn't cope.

[Joe Rice]

You have come so far in your journey to enlightenment, Grasshopper.

Is it time to pick up the really hot pot yet?

[bfrank]

Has it made any more sense though? What would be a good alternative, term-wise? Paranoid seemed too mean as well. Hyper-sensitive?
I just think it's a little ironic (perhaps in the alanis sort of way)that you would claim that some one has a problem in this area, and to then in the same breath, so to speak, accuse another of attacking you all the time....nothing less nothing more....

[K'Nort]

I think message boards are designed for light, good times. Discussions, exchanges of information. It's OK to have fun there because that's what they're designed for. But once they're getting you upset, something is wrong. I think that's the difference. I think it's easy to have one and not the other. It's a message board, not an important life event. Take what fun you can from it and leave the rest behind.

Just like prom!

No, really.

[Dreadstar]

Is it time to pick up the really hot pot yet?

Hot pot? Burning sensation is it?

Try a bong or a hookah.

[Joe Rice]

I agree that message boards are designed for fun exchanges. But they can be serious for certain communities. For instance, look at the uproar when Rita's was shut down. Many posters couldn't cope.

I thought that was just as needless and silly, no offense to those that were offended.

EDIT: I do think serious discussions can be had, and I think that's great. But when the discussions are getting you upset, then it's time to do something.

[JeffreyWKramer]

I agree that message boards are designed for fun exchanges. But they can be serious for certain communities.
Well, yeah, despite my just quoting and riffing off Joe's post, I agree with you. Some very good, serious discussions have occurred at CBR about some very serious matters.

But I'm as guilty as anyone - and more guilty than most - of getting over-involved in personality clashes from time to time. And that doesn't tend to accomplish a damn thing.

[Slam_Bradley]

Is it time to pick up the really hot pot yet?


First you must snatch the pebble from my hand.

[Joe Rice]

Hot pot? Burning sensation is it?

Try a bong or a hookah.

That's what I get for smoking with teenagers.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Is it time to pick up the really hot pot yet?

We're comic geeks, Joe. You have to go fight and hug a dragon instead. If you survive you will have earned the right to wear flood pants and yellow ballet slippers.

[K'Nort]

"the way I see blahblahblah" is very very different then stating that some one is spending "rather much"... again, who are you to tell me what "rather much" is....not a hard question, and I'm not understanding why you all are making it one...

I've been trying to answer that question. My answer that I am absolutely no one to tell you who "rather much" is. Not in terms of having any influence or authority. We're all throwing out our opinions. Period. No one is claiming to have the correct answer. Or at least hopefully they're not.

[Joe Rice]

First you must snatch the pebble from my hand.

Can I bribe you?

[bfrank]

Just like prom!

No, really.
exactley...

which is what west, and some of the others problem with the reason for his canceling the prom was....don't throw out the baby with the bathwater so to speak....

[Joe Rice]

We're comic geeks, Joe. You have to go fight and hug a dragon instead. If you survive you will have earned the right to wear flood pants and yellow ballet slippers.

. . .

Wait, is that Iron Fist?

I guess I never knew his origin.

He had to hug a dragon?

[Slam_Bradley]

But I'm as guilty as anyone - and more guilty than most - of getting over-involved in personality clashes from time to time. And that doesn't tend to accomplish a damn thing.


Wow. This enlightenment thing seems to be spreading.

[JeffreyWKramer]

I just think it's a little ironic (perhaps in the alanis sort of way)that you would claim that some one has a problem in this area, and to then in the same breath, so to speak, accuse another of attacking you all the time....nothing less nothing more....

bfrank, I have no idea what interactions you and K'Nort have had in the past - apparently I've missed those threads - but really, I've seen exactly zero evidence she's this big-ego sort of poster you're portraying her as. I'm guessing if you were to do a poll of CBR regulars and ask them who's got a big head and is full of themselves, she wouldn't even end up on the top 100.

[west3man]

I think message boards are designed for light, good times. Discussions, exchanges of information. It's OK to have fun there because that's what they're designed for. But once they're getting you upset, something is wrong. I think that's the difference. I think it's easy to have one and not the other. It's a message board, not an important life event. Take what fun you can from it and leave the rest behind.
I respectfully disagree.

People take these things seriously, when they want to - both the good and the bad. If a message board is so insubstantial, then people wouldn't be buddies, friends, roommates, lovers, significant others, or spouses as a result of their interaction through them.

I agree that LIFE is similar to what you describe in that we need to do what we can keep things in perspective. There's no reason this shouldn't apply to a message board, either. No argument there.


I believe in balance, though, and that balance says that "upset" comes with the territory. I honestly believe that this is life... in some ways, more (and other ways less) real than life tends to be.

[Slam_Bradley]

Can I bribe you?


I'm readily available for bribery with small-batch bourbon.

[K'Nort]

I just think it's a little ironic (perhaps in the alanis sort of way)that you would claim that some one has a problem in this area, and to then in the same breath, so to speak, accuse another of attacking you all the time....nothing less nothing more....

Ah. I misinterpreted that one completely.

And you're right; 'all the time' is hyperbolic. It's a bias that comes from being extremely uptight about some things.


Still want someone to explain the android thing though.

[bfrank]

I've been trying to answer that question. My answer that I am absolutely no one to tell you who "rather much" is. Not in terms of having any influence or authority. We're all throwing out our opinions. Period. No one is claiming to have the correct answer. Or at least hopefully they're not.
and I got that...however when you say things like "rather much" in the context that it was stated, the last half of your statement becomes invalid........

[JeffreyWKramer]

. . .

Wait, is that Iron Fist?

I guess I never knew his origin.

He had to hug a dragon?

That's how he got the big tattoo-brand on his chest. The dragon has the same design as some mystic power sigil, and he had to grab the dragon around the neck and press his chest against the sigil, thereby absorbing the dragon's power and getting the brand.

[Joe Rice]

I respectfully disagree.

People take these things seriously, when they want to - both the good and the bad. If a message board is so insubstantial, then people wouldn't be buddies, friends, roommates, lovers, significant others, or spouses as a result of their interaction through them.

I agree that LIFE is similar to what you describe in that we need to do what we can keep things in perspective. There's no reason this shouldn't apply to a message board, either. No argument there.


I believe in balance, though, and that balance says that "upset" comes with the territory. I honestly believe that this is life... in some ways, more (and other ways less) real than life tends to be.

If something in real life kept getting me upset, I'd either stop doing it or look into being less upset by it.

Now I clearly don't take message boards as seriously as real life (which I don't take all that seriously, anyway). I've made friends, yeah, and that's great. But when this message board bugs me I leave the board and keep in touch with the friends. Or I listen to the friends when they tell me I'm being a dork.

But you don't have to be upset by anything, least of all words on a computer screen.

[bfrank]

bfrank, I have no idea what interactions you and K'Nort have had in the past - apparently I've missed those threads - but really, I've seen exactly zero evidence she's this big-ego sort of poster you're portraying her as. I'm guessing if you were to do a poll of CBR regulars and ask them who's got a big head and is full of themselves, she wouldn't even end up on the top 100.

I think I explianed this to her, but will be more than happy to address if you missed.....

[Joe Rice]

I'm readily available for bribery with small-batch bourbon.

Elijah Craig next time you're in Brooklyn.

[Boldido]

Wow. This enlightenment thing seems to be spreading.

Fuck you!!! What I say is God's word. My dick is bigger than your dick. It takes three licks to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop. Football is better than baseball. Redheads are freakier than blondes. Anchovies suck. Baked potatos are better than french fries and aliens are only giving us anal probes so we sound like idiots when we complain about abductions.

Enlightenment my boil covered ass!!!

[Boldido]

I'm readily available for bribery with small-batch bourbon.

You are my kind of prosecutor.

[Slam_Bradley]

Fuck you!!! What I say is God's word. My dick is bigger than your dick. It takes three licks to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop. Football is better than baseball. Redheads are freakier than blondes. Anchovies suck. Baked potatos are better than french fries and aliens are only giving us anal probes so we sound like idiots when we complain about abductions.

Enlightenment my boil covered ass!!!


All of that is true. But I really don't want to shine a light on your boil covered ass. No one wants to see that.

[Boldido]

All of that is true.

really?...because I have a really small...er...I mean your damn right all of that is true!

[JeffreyWKramer]

More orgy!!!!!!!!!!!!

Those with boil-covered asses are not invited, though.

[Slam_Bradley]

really?...because I have a really small...er...I mean your damn right all of that is true!


I've always been comfortable with my shortcomings.

[JeffreyWKramer]

really?...because I have a really small...

This may expain Mrs. Boldido wanting to get things over quickly.

[Forsaken_One]

I propose that if this thread gets to page 100 on the default post-per-page count by the end of this weekend the mods do a temp ban on everyone who's posted here, myself included. Who's with me?!

[Dreadstar]

This may expain Mrs. Boldido wanting to get things over quickly.
SNARK!


.

[K'Nort]

I propose that if this thread gets to page 100 on the default post-per-page count by the end of this weekend the mods do a temp ban on everyone who's posted here, myself included. Who's with me?!

How about just on the folks who are on it during the weekend? Cuz I'll be at the beach.

[Slam_Bradley]

How about just on the folks who are on it during the weekend? Cuz I'll be at the beach.


Pull up a comfy rock for me while you're there.

[Dreadstar]

Pull up a comfy rock for me while you're there.

Can I call you a "condescending ass?" I so want to call someone a "condescending ass" again.

[Slam_Bradley]

Can I call you a "condescending ass?" I so want to call someone a "condescending ass" again.


Feel free. I have broad shoulders. I can handle it.

[Dreadstar]

Feel free. I have broad shoulders. I can handle it.
It would help if you were a bit condescending.

[K'Nort]

Pull up a comfy rock for me while you're there.

Rock? Where?

http://www.exileonmainst.com/images/Oregon_November_23_and_24_2000/Day_2/Cannon_Beach7.JPG

I'll be on the deck with a drink admiring the view. With any luck, it will storm. And I'll remember the camera of course.

[Nate C.]

Condescending ass.

(not really, but how often does a chance like that come along?)

Also, it fulfills my desire to be a part of a 28 page thread in less than 48 hours.

[Slam_Bradley]

It would help if you were a bit condescending.


What possible difference could your opinion make to me?
















was that good enough?

[Dreadstar]

What possible difference could your opinion make to me?

Stop being a condescending ass!


yep, yep, yep, I feel much better now.

[Dreadstar]

Also, it fulfills my desire to be a part of a 28 page thread in less than 48 hours.

Man, you have no idea how wrong you are.












It's 21 pages.

[Slam_Bradley]

Rock? Where?

http://www.exileonmainst.com/images/Oregon_November_23_and_24_2000/Day_2/Cannon_Beach7.JPG

I'll be on the deck with a drink admiring the view. With any luck, it will storm. And I'll remember the camera of course.


Where is that? I haven't been to the Oregon coast in about 20 years.

[K'Nort]

Where is that? I haven't been to the Oregon coast in about 20 years.

Cannon Beach. Haystack Rock.

[Nate C.]

Dread, you will often find that the length of a CBR thread page depends largely upon your own point of view. (says Obi-Won)

(and that's as close to a disagreement as I'm getting in on this thread.)












It's 21 pages.[/QUOTE]

[Ed Cunard]

Nate gets to be my new best friend because he's the first person I've ever seen mention a page count that looks the same as the page count I see.

We obviously like as much posts-per-click as we can get. We're conservative when it comes to clicking. The rest of you liberal clicker people, therefore, are obviously wrong, because Nate and I are obviously right, and since we rarely agree on anything, but agree on this, the stars are aligning to show how right we are.

Except of course if we're wrong, because that would totally piss all over my whole theory.

[Dreadstar]

Nate gets to be my new best friend because he's the first person I've ever seen mention a page count that looks the same as the page count I see.

We obviously like as much posts-per-click as we can get. We're conservative when it comes to clicking. The rest of you liberal clicker people, therefore, are obviously wrong, because Nate and I are obviously right, and since we rarely agree on anything, but agree on this, the stars are aligning to show how right we are.

Except of course if we're wrong, because that would totally piss all over my whole theory.


But my post per page count is higher.


So I get more posts per click.

Come over to the 40/page side, young padawan.

[Ed Cunard]

But my post per page count is higher.


So I get more posts per click.

Come over to the 40/page side, young padawan.

There's a 40/page side?

Nate, we're broken up.

EDIT: I'M SORRY NATE I STILL LOVE YOU. We all love each other, because it already said I have 40/pg, so you probably have 40/pg, unless I'm just dumb which has happened before and will likely happen again.

[stealthwise]

Holy crap, this thread is huge.

I'm not even gonna bother wasting anyone's time by posting in here, as I'm sure it's all been said before.

Nope, not a word.

...oops.

[Dreadstar]

I'm not even gonna bother wasting anyone's time by posting in here, as I'm sure it's all been said before.

Sometimes several times, point-by-point and painfully in minute detail.

[Guapo Méndez]

And if the parents are willing to pay, what is your concern, and who are you to tell them what is "rather much"?

"What is your concern" and "who are you to tell them..."

If we applied this little chestnut to every message board in the Internet, we'd have nothing to talk about or give an opinion to.

What I like about it is that it can be very well directed to the person who threw it at you.

"What is your concern and who are you to tell me *anything*?"

[Slam_Bradley]

Sometimes several times, point-by-point and painfully in minute detail.


Snark alert!

[Dreadstar]

AND I was insulting not 20 minutes previous.

[bfrank]

What I like about it is that it can be very well directed to the person who threw it at you.



Not at all...especially, when the person asking said question is not presenting their opinion as fact, which is what you were doing in the context of your original quote...

again, in your opinion $200, or $20,000 could be "rather much", but again, that's not what was presented....

[MacQuarrie]

care to address something I actually said? If no, don't bother responding....
She did. She addressed your repeated use of "who are you to tell them...."

To which I would respond who are YOU to tell us what we can and can't say?

Piss off.

[Dreadstar]

She did. She addressed your repeated use of "who are you to tell them...."

To which I would respond who are YOU to tell us what we can and can't say?

Piss off.

See? MacQ's not afraid of calling someone on their snark.




God, I'm just in love with that word right now:

snarksnarksnarksnark.

[MacQuarrie]

You piss off too, Snarky.

There's your nickname.

[Dreadstar]

You piss off too, Snarky.

There's your nickname.



WOOHOO!!!!


EDIT: Can I put CPO in front of it? It'd be kewl.

[Guapo Méndez]

Not at all...especially, when the person asking said question is not presenting their opinion as fact, which is what you were doing in the context of your original quote...

again, in your opinion $200, or $20,000 could be "rather much", but again, that's not what was presented....

Now, to me, 20k is a rather large sum of money to spend on in one night. It would take me 10 months to raise this amount of cash (and that is without buying food, paying for utilities...etc).

400 dollars is also a rather steep sum for me, because that amount of money is what I give to my wife every fortnight to keep the house supplied and the maid paid for.

If my kid came to me asking for 400 bucks to pay for one night of partying I'd go "son..I don't spend 400 dollars a night for me. Get a job and we'll see how that works out."

And as a HS principal, we can have large parties for about 1/4th of what that prom is going to cost, offering a fully stocked wet bar and 1 waiter per 10 people and a 3 course meal.


Now, could you tell me where I gave my opinion as fact?

[K'Nort]

EDIT: Can I put CPO in front of it? It'd be kewl.

I'm having a heck of a time matching up droids to snark.

[Guapo Méndez]

See? MacQ's not afraid of calling someone on their snark.

God, I'm just in love with that word right now:

snarksnarksnarksnark.

One annoying bad guy on the FPS game Half Life were called Snarks.

http://www.planethalflife.com/images/snark.jpg

[Dreadstar]

I'm having a heck of a time matching up droids to snark.


There you go, asking about androids again...

[JeffreyWKramer]

WOOHOO!!!!


EDIT: Can I put CPO in front of it? It'd be kewl.

HAW! I love it!!

This does demonstrate Dread and me are old, though. And I bet Jim gets it, too.

[Slam_Bradley]

WOOHOO!!!!


EDIT: Can I put CPO in front of it? It'd be kewl.


That made me chortle. Ya hockey puck!

[bfrank]

She did. She addressed your repeated use of "who are you to tell them...."

no she didn't, as we discussed

To which I would respond who are YOU to tell us what we can and can't say?

to which I respond where did I tell YOU what you can and can't say

Piss off.
Right after you....

[JeffreyWKramer]

There you go, asking about androids again...

What is that about? K'Nort, do you fantasize about having one of those sexbots or something?

[K'Nort]

What is that about? K'Nort, do you fantasize about having one of those sexbots or something?

They make sexbots???

[Guapo Méndez]

Best thing about Half Life snarks was that you put them on the ground so they could chase another player and kill him. If the other player outran them, they would make their way back to you and explode.

So, Snark was a double edged sword/critter of exploding capabilities.

[Dreadstar]

They make sexbots???

Sort of. You can buy a Sybian and a Real Doll, and combine the two.

[JeffreyWKramer]

They make sexbots???

Do I detect ears - or something - perking up at that idea?

[bfrank]

Now, to me, 20k is a rather large sum of money to spend on in one night. It would take me 10 months to raise this amount of cash (and that is without buying food, paying for utilities...etc).


me too...

400 dollars is also a rather steep sum for me, because that amount of money is what I give to my wife every fortnight to keep the house supplied and the maid paid for.

Not as bad, but still....

If my kid came to me asking for 400 bucks to pay for one night of partying I'd go "son..I don't spend 400 dollars a night for me. Get a job and we'll see how that works out."

I'd be a hypocrite...

And as a HS principal, we can have large parties for about 1/4th of what that prom is going to cost, offering a fully stocked wet bar and 1 waiter per 10 people and a 3 course meal.

To true....
Now, could you tell me where I gave my opinion as fact?

sure, when you said that those parents spending $20,000 was "rather much" with no of the qualifiers above....

care to explain how that is telling you that you can't speak your opinion....

[JeffreyWKramer]

Sort of. You can buy a Sybian and a Real Doll, and combine the two.

LOL! If nothing else, it would be wild to set the Sybian on high and watch the Doll fly apart.

[K'Nort]

Do I detect ears - or something - perking up at that idea?

Only briefly.

I'm pretty attached to what I have right now.

Except for the ridiculous gaps between uses.

[TCJohnson]

C'mon, lets see if we can get this thread abot 1,000 posts in 24 hours. We got 2 hours to go!

[Guapo Méndez]

me too...

I'd be a hypocrite...

Huh?




To true....
sure, when you said that those parents spending $20,000 was "rather much" with no of the qualifiers above....

What qualifiers?

In my post I wrote that tuition being 6k a year per student, spending 20k in one night seemed rather much.

The money spent in the party would be enough to put 3 more for the entire year and still have 2k leftover.

Three yearly tuitions plus 2k, all gone in one night renting just a house.

Damned right is rather much.



care to explain how that is telling you that you can't speak your opinion....

Care to explain your whole line of reasoning? I'm not getting it.

[TCJohnson]

Only briefly.

I'm pretty attached to what I have right now.


You have a sexbot? Gawsh, never would have guessed.

[K'Nort]

You have a sexbot? Gawsh, never would have guessed.

He's not quite as hot as the one in your avatar, however.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Only briefly.

I'm pretty attached to what I have right now.

Except for the ridiculous gaps between uses.

Which is where the bot could come in handy. Or, if nothing else, the Sybian Dread mentioned.

I wish those things weren't so expensive. I know juli would love it... though she probably wouldn't get a lot of housework done.

[bfrank]

Huh?

I'd be a hypocrite if my kid asked me for $400 to party, and I told him to get a job...



What qualifiers?

the "i thinks and what not"

In my post I wrote that tuition being 6k a year per student, spending 20k in one night seemed rather much.

and I asked you, who were you to say what "rather much" was...

The money spent in the party would be enough to put 3 more for the entire year and still have 2k leftover.

Three yearly tuitions plus 2k, all gone in one night renting just a house.

really has nothing to do with the price of tea in china....

Damned right is rather much.

opinion as fact again....rather much to you, perhaps, but again, who are you to tell them what "rather much" is?



Care to explain your whole line of reasoning? I'm not getting it.

Simple: Who are you to tell these people what is "rather much"?

[Guapo Méndez]

Sybian...I'm getting faint memories of what it is...

I'll probably google it as soon as I press "submit reply".

[K'Nort]

Well please let us know because I have no idea.

[Guapo Méndez]

Pm sent with link.

[Guapo Méndez]

I'd be a hypocrite if my kid asked me for $400 to party, and I told him to get a job...
the "i thinks and what not"
and I asked you, who were you to say what "rather much" was...
really has nothing to do with the price of tea in china....
opinion as fact again....rather much to you, perhaps, but again, who are you to tell them what "rather much" is?
Simple: Who are you to tell these people what is "rather much"?


Ah!

I get it.

You think that everything I say is fact and not opinion. I'm guessing you didn't get the memo. Search for it, I'm sure the post still stands. Everything I post is my opinion and not fact.

Unless I post facts and give the appropriate link, quote or reference.

I do get the vibe that you're just simply looking for a fight, but after all that has gone throug in this thread, you amount to mere shadowboxing.

And not kind of shadowboxing you do with lightbulbs, no. The one you'd do with a match, and a faulty one at that.

[Dreadstar]

I'm going to run away now.

Feel free to call me names behind my back.

[bfrank]

Ah!

I get it.

You think that everything I say is fact and not opinion.

Well no, can you point out where I said that?

I'm guessing you didn't get the memo. Search for it, I'm sure the post still stands. Everything I post is my opinion and not fact.

Would it not be easier then to present them as opinion as opposed to fact?

Unless I post facts and give the appropriate link, quote or reference.

I do get the vibe that you're just simply looking for a fight, but after all that has gone throug in this thread, you amount to mere shadowboxing.

If I was looking for a fight EDIT(another alanis moment: you are the one hurling "insults", and accuse me of looking for a fight...Laugh Out Loud)i'd have said, and please don't take this the wrong way, but I'd have added "what kind of fucking idiot" or somesuch...

the difference being, you are assuming something, where as I asked you a question...one it seems that you can not answer for what ever reason, but a question non the less...

assumptions are bad..they make you look like an ass...it's always, always, always better to ask a question...

so, again who are you to tell these people what "rather much" is?

answer: no body....

[Boldido]

Will you people quit feeding the troll?!

I think we have all seen enough of bfrank's posts to know certain things.

1. He is rather intelligent.

2. He has the social skills of bi-polar razorback.

3. He likes baiting and insulting.

Guapo, you know he knows the difference between fact and opinion and that qualifiers are not necessary to distinguish between the two for anyone except the most pedantic or idiotic. Quit feeding him and focus more on the topic at hand. Really expensive sex toys.

I personally am a big fan of the rabbit. My wife loves it.

Jeff, if you played your cards right, you would find a way to combine the Sybian with household chores. My guess is a Sybian riding lawnmower and you would never have to cut the grass again.

[K'Nort]

I saw that Sex & The City espisode with the Rabbit.

I definitely have more in common with Charlotte than with the rest of them.

[Guapo Méndez]

Well no, can you point out where I said that?....


Not 7 posts ago, to start.


Quote:
Damned right is rather much.



opinion as fact again....rather much to you, perhaps, but again, who are you to tell them what "rather much" is?

There.



Would it not be easier then to present them as opinion as opposed to fact?


When did I say my posts are facts? They are opinions. You assume they are facts.


assumptions are bad..they make you look like an ass...it's always, always, always better to ask a question...

Yeah, there you go.




If I was looking for a fight, i'd have said, and please don't take this the wrong way, but I'd have added "what kind of fucking idiot" or somesuch...

and I would have gone "...the one you see everyday reflected in your mirror..." or somesuch.



the difference being, you are assuming something, where as I asked you a question...one it seems that you can not answer for what ever reason, but a question non the less...


so, again who are you to tell these people what "rather much" is?

answer: no body....[/QUOTE]

Like I said posts ago: who are you to tell me *anything*?

Answer: nobody.

Besides...when did I contact the students of that High School, or their parents, and told them I thought 20k to spend a night was rather much?

You're all going into conniptions against me for *daring* to type that 20k for a house of partying is rather much.

[Boldido]

Not 7 posts ago, to start.



There.



When did I say my posts are facts? They are opinions. You assume they are facts.



Yeah, there you go.




and I would have gone "...the one you see everyday reflected in your mirror..." or somesuch.




so, again who are you to tell these people what "rather much" is?

answer: no body....

Like I said posts ago: who are you to tell me *anything*?

Answer: nobody.

Besides...when did I contact the students of that High School, or their parents, and told them I thought 20k to spend a night was rather much?

You're all going into conniptions against me for *daring* to type that 20k for a house of partying is rather much.


http://www.taucher.net/download/trollbild2.jpg

[Boldido]

I saw that Sex & The City espisode with the Rabbit.

I definitely have more in common with Charlotte than with the rest of them.

I never saw sex in the city. I bought it as a gift when the woman at the store told me that it could do everything except rotate her tires. It was a fine purchase.

[Guapo Méndez]

http://www.taucher.net/download/trollbild2.jpg


As a gamer in good standing, I have no problem doing tedious, mundane stuff in order to see them through.

So far this rates a tad higher than searching for Big Iron Fishing Poles off the Kalimdor coast, but not as low as passing the cave in Winterspring with the furbolgs nipping at your heels.

Of course, if it were one of my thorium runs, I'd have an arcane crystal by now.

[K'Nort]

I never saw sex in the city. I bought it as a gift when the woman at the store told me that it could do everything except rotate her tires. It was a fine purchase.

Short version is they persuade the prissy character who has never so much as considered a sex toy -- or even masturbation -- to try it. Next thing they know, she refuses to ever leave the house and they have to do an intervention.

[Guapo Méndez]

...checking the Sybian site...


HAH!

They have a lay-a-way plan.

[Boldido]

Short version is they persuade the prissy character who has never so much as considered a sex toy -- or even masturbation -- to try it. Next thing they know, she refuses to ever leave the house and they have to do an intervention.

So its a documentary?

[Perry Holley]

Gail, are you still going to be shooting anyone else, or is that done with? Cause if you're not out of ammo, I'd like to volunteer to be shot. After reading 22 pages of this, I need to be put out of my misery.

And you refused to violate me, so I have nothing else to live for...

[Guapo Méndez]

And you refused to violate me, so I have nothing else to live for...


There is always a Sybian...

[Forsaken_One]

Gail, are you still going to be shooting anyone else, or is that done with? Cause if you're not out of ammo, I'd like to volunteer to be shot. After reading 22 pages of this, I need to be put out of my misery.

And you refused to violate me, so I have nothing else to live for...
Yeeah, I think any thread that gets to sixty pages in less than 36 hours is going to be pretty damn stupid as a rule.

[Corrina]

I don't think Gail has even posted on this thread.

I'll bet she's scared. I'll bet she doesn't even have a gun.

[MacQuarrie]

HAW! I love it!!

This does demonstrate Dread and me are old, though. And I bet Jim gets it, too.
I sure do, hockeypuck!

[MacQuarrie]

I saw that Sex & The City espisode with the Rabbit.

I definitely have more in common with Charlotte than with the rest of them.
Now I'm officially an old fuddy-duddy. I not only have never seen Sex in the City, I have no idea what a Rabbit is (apart from the furry things that show up with easter baskets), who Charlotte is, or what you have in common with her.

I'm going to go dodder off and mumble to myself now.

EDIT: Okay, I saw your synopsis. Carry on.

[howyadoin]

Howy DID do that.

Howy claimed work kept him from responding to me in a meaningful way, but he DID respond to me... he just chose not to clarify. He said his point was "patently obvious" and didn't require clarification.It was patently obvious. My statement wasn't vague in the least, and everybody but you apparently understood it.
So, he was basically faking it.

All of this is also in the thread.

He's shown that he wasn't interested in clarifying anything to me, although he responded to me. Work had nothing to do with it. Call it "spineless" if you want.Tell you what, West. If you won't call me a coward, I won't call you a whiny bitch with a martyr complex. Deal?

[Michael P]

LOL! If nothing else, it would be wild to set the Sybian on high and watch the Doll fly apart.
Why am I not at all surprised that you're well-versed in the power settings of the Sybian?

[JeffreyWKramer]

Why am I not at all surprised that you're well-versed in the power settings of the Sybian?

I've seen them in action first-hand. A wonderful thing, for sure.

[howyadoin]

I've seen them in action first-hand. A wonderful thing, for sure.They could stand to be a little less noisy, though.

[YoGo]

I don't think Gail has even posted on this thread.

I'll bet she's scared. I'll bet she doesn't even have a gun.

Do you not see these exit wounds???

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=2053612&postcount=616

HelloooOOO. I am like, SO bleeding right now.

[Noah Johnson]

Purely for the record, a review of what, as far as I can tell, is the coolest rabbit can be found here (http://www.freddyandeddy.com/productreviews/Vibrators/iviberabbitreview.htm).

Man, that thing makes me wish I was a woman.

[JeffreyWKramer]

They could stand to be a little less noisy, though.

I can put up with the noise the implement makes, for the sake of how much noise a woman makes when using it.

[howyadoin]

Do you not see these exit wounds???

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=2053612&postcount=616

HelloooOOO. I am like, SO bleeding right now.That was beautiful. The only part of it I didn't like was the lack of focus on me.

[jwmojo]

Coming a little late to the party, but I wanted to make sure I read all the posts before I commented.

I'm going to do my best to offend everyone here in a non-troll manner. We'll see how successful I am.

You people are all nuckin' futs.

I'd have to write a book to make all the points I thought of while reading this thread (I know...how bored must I have been?), so I'll just say a few things that stuck out.

First of all, the arguement about whether or not a quote is a quote if the quoter doesn't use the quote function?? I'm sorry, but are you simple? Even his not using the quote symbols doesn't mean it wasn't a quote. Harkening back to my 4th grade english class, if you're using more than 3 of someone else's words in sequence it's a quote. (well, to be more accurate, if you don't use a quote it's plagiarism, so if you wanted to argue semantics, you should have accused West of ripping off another poster's eloquent rhetoric.)

And what's more, deserved or not, it's pretty clear to me that there is some definite dog-piling going on here. It seemed to me that it was west vs 5 or 6 posters until bfrank showed up (and, as a knight in shining armor, he seems a bit antagonistic). You do nothing to cure West of his so-called "martyr complex" by making him a victim. I mean, c'mon...I've seen that a lot of smart people have posted on this thread, and none of you could be bothered to type up a post saying, "it was a quote, it's patently obvious that he was using the exact phrasing of howyadoin's post to make his point." For shame, people. For shame. (You see what I did with the "patently obvious" reference there? How it's obviously a quote from howyadoin, but I didn't...oh, nevermind.)

I also don't really see anything wrong with making a minor pre-emptive statement in defense of one's honesty, when there is a recent history of accusations by people posting on this thread (which west stated without calling out a specific person - a classy move, I thought). To me, if you don't question his honesty, you just ignore it and move on. But then, if there is a long history, I do understand why some might feel compelled to comment on it. The thing is, even if west's comments about being accused of lying came some 2 or 300 posts prior, OzBat! did pretty much come in and justify west's concerns by basically doing exactly that.

As far as the prom goes...my gut reaction is that the principal, while I understand his motives, is a bastard. Whether they have a "right" to it or not, he's laying down a blanket punishment that affects innocent and guilty alike. He took the easy way out of the situation, when there were other options worth considering.

Then, after the initial indignation of my reaction subsided a bit, I realized that this is a private school, he can do what he wants. The parents are free to vote with their tuition dollars, and I'm sure many of them will. If this were a public school...well, that is a completely different arguement and I think we have enough debate here, without adding to the mix.

(I think there's also a point to be made about all the references in this thread about spoiled, rich kids and the class prejudice of which those comments appear to be symptoms, but this post is getting long enough, so I'll just make a parenthetical reference.)

Finally, to West3man: I have enjoyed most of the posts of yours that I've read, but I've only been around a couple of months, and have no idea of your patterns. I do know that this is the second time I've seen you talk about being dog-piled in a thread (and I agree with you, at least in this case...for the most part). There is a possibility that you are usually the injured party (although, you did get a little unnecessarily heated here), but if this really does happen a lot...you're the common denominator. Again, don't know you're history so I am not and will not make an absolute judgement about it; I'm just saying it's something you might want to look at.

EDIT: for clarification and typos

[Rabid Trekkie]

Coming a little late to the party, but I wanted to make sure I read all the posts before I commented.

You read all the posts? I only hit the high points and feel mad and more than a little drunk.

[jwmojo]

You read all the posts? I only hit the high points and feel mad and more than a little drunk.

Yeah, I know. It was really pretty riveting, though.

In the rubber-necking, car wreck sense.

[MacQuarrie]

As far as the prom goes...my gut reaction is that the principal, while I understand his motives, is a bastard. Whether they have a "right" to it or not, he's laying down a blanket punishment that affects innocent and guilty alike. He took the easy way out of the situation, when there were other options worth considering.
Point of order: it's not a punishment. It's a change of policy. A pre-emptive measure to avoid the problems of previous years and emphasize the values and standards the parents claimed to support when they enrolled their kids in the school.

Since he couldn't prevent the idiot parents from arranging orgy houses and booze cruises for their underage progeny, he cancelled the reason for them.

If it's class prejudice to be contemptuous of those with more dollars than sense, color me guilty.

[YoGo]

Ok I'm going to actually contribute to this thread, now that we've had a break from the House of Quotation Marks.

My prom was too cool. I studied in Perth and our school holds it on school grounds instead of a hotel as most schools in Perth do. The grassy quadrangle was setup with white canopys for the catering and chairs and table put out under the night sky. It was a Romeo + Juliet theme, after the Baz Luhrman version, so there was a bright fountain in the middle of the lawn. And in the big hall (think something about the size of the great hall in Harry Potter with a tall but non-magical ceiling) the perimeter was draped with black cloth and turned into a dance floor with the DJ and band working of the huge sound system and luminescent blue fish tanks, as seen in the movie, flanking you as you walked in.

That was a cool prom, or ball as we called it.

But interestingly our headmaster made the same point about the excesses of the evening. And he wrote a letter to parents asking that they keep a measure of restraint on their kids in terms of limos, renting party houses and money spent on alcohol and after parties. His argument was that it was a school ball, it was meant to be a pleasant evening where everyone could let their hair down and have a good time. BUT keep it in perspective and don't overdo it.

And I have to agree with that.

[Guapo Méndez]

Coming a little late to the party, but I wanted to make sure I read all the posts before I commented.

I'm going to do my best to offend everyone here in a non-troll manner. We'll see how successful I am.

You people are all nuckin' futs.



Thank you for playing.

Please...exit stage to the right and tell Wilma to validate your parking.

Have a nice day.

[OzBat!]

Dammit, I missed all the REALLY good stuff! Bloody time zones! Being 12 to 15 hours ahead of most of you is a real pain sometimes!

Back to our train wreck, slowly winding down...

YAYYY! People are taking my name in vain! Y'know, that hasn't really happened since the good ol' KCSuberman days! Does that earn me snark points? C'mon, who's your snarky? WHO'S YOUR SNARKY??! Yeah, baby!!

I kept myself going at work today with dreams of eventually getting home, and compiling one big quotational fact sheet, complete with index and pointers. It was going to be a monster, I tell you! The pizza de resistahhhnz!

But then I woke up. Mostly because the rim of my coffee mug was leaving a mark on my forehead.

It hurts!

The only thing that MUST be said, after all else is said and done...

Yogo, you are my hero. I don't care if you're not in the market or already have other hangeronerers. I'm physically closer than they are! Plus, I'm more than happy to shoot you if it will make you happy. Are you happy?

How could you not be happy? In the face of such SNARKYness!!

If Snark could truly be digitalised and come to life on the internet, it would team up with your webcomic and bring tears of joy to all who get accosted by them.

Thankyou!

[howyadoin]

Dammit, I missed all the REALLY good stuff! Bloody time zones! Being 12 to 15 hours ahead of most of you is a real pain sometimes!Work is no excuse. You ran away 'cause you're yella.

[OzBat!]

I am NOT!

They put ol' yella down!

I bet his snark ratio was really low!

[OzBat!]

Welp, I'm finally home, the kids are in bed, and I've been able to go through this once more to try and see where it all went pear shaped. And you know what? I do believe I owe West3man a sincere apology.

Somewhere in my sleep deprivation of late last night, I did indeed totally kark up over the whole "fuck" and "shit" scenario. My initial post served to inflame this wayyy beyond what it needed to be, and for that I am sorry.

[OzBat!]

However!! (and yes, I know how much I hate apologies from others that include the totally-self-serving "but" backhanders, so the apparent hypocracy is not lost on me) While misplaced, the spirit of my initial complaint is still somewhat valid, at least in my eyes. The problem is I didn't convey it correctly, and probably should have left pretty well alone. Yes, I know, I know... the road to hell, good intentions, all that!

This is my attempt at a "do-over" for my stupid post.

west, you were doing pretty well arguing the opposite side of this from K'nort, Joe, Loren and Co, right up until the point you brought the reference to the other thread and accusations of lying into it (posts 390 and 396). Just like my first post, this had totally the opposite effect of what you intended. You only made a passing inference to it, I still don't know who and what was involved in the other threads that led you to make those inferences, but apparently K'Nort had and hit a nerve when querying why you brought it up at all. From there on in, everything went south. Including the "grow the fuck up" debate that went from a reference to teenagers in general, to being personalised as much as the lies stuff did.

In my sleep deprivation, I really wanted to point out how this internalisation or personalisation of the lying/GTFU gestalt was hurting you. Other posters seemed to be merely confused by it, or having fun with you because of it, which is why I addressed it solely to you. But as acknowledged above, I screwed that up with a total lack of written comprehension, followed up by a hostile reaction of my own (usually given form through mockery or sarcasm... I don't normally like being openly aggressive) to your hostility.

I can see now why you were hostile to what I posted. In hindsight, I'd be surprised if you weren't. I still, however, totally fail to see where your earlier hostility before that came from - the latter half of the thread in existance at that point, up until I joined in, seemed poisoned by it. Obviously you'd imported it from the other thread. But, if as you said none of the earlier participants were involved in this thread, why the heck did you do that?

Hopefully I've done a better job at my do-over. If not, tell me to fuck off and I'll never post anything to you again.

[Tommy]

How come I never got invited to any orgys?

[OzBat!]

You need to wear snarkier pants.

[jwmojo]

Point of order: it's not a punishment. It's a change of policy. A pre-emptive measure to avoid the problems of previous years and emphasize the values and standards the parents claimed to support when they enrolled their kids in the school.

Since he couldn't prevent the idiot parents from arranging orgy houses and booze cruises for their underage progeny, he cancelled the reason for them.

If it's class prejudice to be contemptuous of those with more dollars than sense, color me guilty.

I do see what you're saying, but I think this might be another semantic arguement, because to the kids, especially those kids who weren't excessive, there is no difference here between "policy change" and "punishment."

[jwmojo]

Thank you for playing.

Please...exit stage to the right and tell Wilma to validate your parking.

Have a nice day.

I'm not 100% sure what you're saying here.

Are you saying that I didn't succeed in offending everyone? Or that I didn't do it in a "non-troll manner"? If it's the former, well, I was joking about that being my goal (I thought that was pretty clear, but I realize that tone doesn't carry in text), so I'm not really upset about my perceived failure. If it's the latter, and you think I was troll-like...I really don't know what to say about that. I suppose an apology might be in order, because I didn't really mean to offend, but I didn't think the tone of my post was offensive at all.

Oh well. If you were offended, I apologize.

[Corrina]

To be completely on-topic, I just wanted to say that I'm familiar with the type of proms thrown in the area where this private high school is located.

The $20,000 cruise is not a one-time event, it's par for the course. This is from the area where people buy their kids $25,000 Range Rovers for senior year. The prom gets the same kind of treatment. I've known kids who rent limos to go into NYC and get into clubs with fake IDs, kids rent beach-houses or an entire block of rooms in a hotel for overnights. Where I lived in NJ, someone drowned in a hotel pool during a prom night binge. Obviously, the school didn't have anything to do with that but it was connected to prom night and the school took a lot of criticism about it being connected to the prom.

This is not just a few kids or a few parents spending too much trying to make their kids happy. This is about an entire event that's gotten way out of control, for all the kids. The poorer kids who can't afford the limo rentals and the $400 dresses are already being excluded and left out.

However, if this was a public high school instead of a private religious school, my opinion is that the prom shouldn't be canceled. It does loom as a pretty big event in high school life, though it doesn't seem that way in hindsight.

That doesn't mean I think a public high school principal should do nothing.

If this situation existed at a public school (and, man, does it ever), I would try to get the local PTO involved, start a discussion on how this has gotten way out of hand and come up with some alternatives, so parents and the admistration can present a united front. Maybe a prom connected to a charitable event, so money is raised for Katrina relief or a college scholarship or something along those lines.

I've seen prom as a huge problem in some public high schools because of how it's become this three-day party in which the seniors basically blow any money they've saved and parents feel pressured into kicking in lest their child be left out. That's not a nice coming-of-age event, it's insanity. But I don't think a wholesale canceling of the prom would be the way to address the problem in a public school, no.

[MacQuarrie]

I can't believe this thing isn't over a thousand posts yet!

Not only that, but people are coming in and making sense and making constructive contributons (nice post, Corrina)....

We can't have that!

Let's shoot YoGo again!

[Boldido]

I can't believe this thing isn't over a thousand posts yet!

Not only that, but people are coming in and making sense and making constructive contributons (nice post, Corrina)....

We can't have that!

Let's shoot YoGo again!

Do you have any sources to back up your allegations that recent posts have been constructive? Or are you just stating your opinion as fact again? And are you actually complimenting Corrina or are you being snarky?

We can't have that! Am I quoting you or am I saying that on my own?

Where do you stand on the whole issue of my dick being bigger than Slam's?

Quit trying to turn this train wreck into something reasonable!!! What's the fun in that? Where's mwm and grendel824 when you need them?

[Slam_Bradley]

Do you have any sources to back up your allegations that recent posts have been constructive? Or are you just stating your opinion as fact again? And are you actually complimenting Corrina or are you being snarky?

We can't have that! Am I quoting you or am I saying that on my own?

Where do you stand on the whole issue of my dick being bigger than Slam's?

Quit trying to turn this train wreck into something reasonable!!! What's the fun in that? Where's mwm and grendel824 when you need them?



Ahhhh...the grandiloquent return of the Bold Dildo.

[Guapo Méndez]

http://www.planethalflife.com/images/snark.jpg

[Boldido]

Ahhhh...the grandiloquent return of the Bold Dildo.

Grandiloquent? Clearly you have heard about my cunning lingual skills. This combined with your getting my name wrong can only lead me to believe that you are trying to steer this thread back to talk of sex toys again.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Grandiloquent? Clearly you have heard about my cunning lingual skills. This combined with your getting my name wrong can only lead me to believe that you are trying to steer this thread back to talk of sex toys again.

Well, I can't speak for Slam, I'm still all for orgies rather than proms, and what is an orgy without sex toys?

[Ed Cunard]

Well, I can't speak for Slam, I'm still all for orgies rather than proms, and what is an orgy without sex toys?

The luddite kind.

[Dreadstar]

I'm still confused over "grandiloquent."

Does this mean that Boldido is a condescending ass, a dick or should he just piss off?

[jwmojo]

Not only that, but people are coming in and making sense and making constructive contributons (nice post, Corrina)....


I have to agree with MacQuarrie. That was a nice post Corrina.

[JeffreyWKramer]

The luddite kind.

The luddite kinksters may not go for a Sybian or a hi-tech vibrator, but there's plenty of room for toys even among the most luddite of kinky folk. Keep in mind, early examples of erotic art and dildos are among of the oldest archaeological items in existence.

[JeffreyWKramer]

I'm still confused over "grandiloquent."

Does this mean that Boldido is a condescending ass, a dick or should he just piss off?

Why choose just one?

[YoGo]

I can't believe this thing isn't over a thousand posts yet!

Not only that, but people are coming in and making sense and making constructive contributons (nice post, Corrina)....

We can't have that!

Let's shoot YoGo again!

Oh yes, because that NEVER gets old.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Oh yes, because that NEVER gets old.

In the spirit of the new, darker DC, we have to up the violence quotient.

Should we shoot him through the eye or in the balls?

[west3man]

This is not just a few kids or a few parents spending too much trying to make their kids happy. This is about an entire event that's gotten way out of control, for all the kids. The poorer kids who can't afford the limo rentals and the $400 dresses are already being excluded and left out. If the poorer kids were left out before, it seems they'd be excluded even more without a school-prom.

If most of the students and their families are doing the undesirable things, I'd expect Prom v. 2.0 to include even more of those things.

However, if this was a public high school instead of a private religious school, my opinion is that the prom shouldn't be canceled. It does loom as a pretty big event in high school life, though it doesn't seem that way in hindsight. If the same behavior were occurring at a public school, why wouldn't you want the prom to be cancelled?

[Boldido]

In the spirit of the new, darker DC, we have to up the violence quotient.

Should we shoot him through the eye or in the balls?

How about setting him on fire after revealing he was raped by one of our goofier posters years ago, like ...um...how about cream filled taco?

[JeffreyWKramer]

How about setting him on fire after revealing he was raped by one of our goofier posters years ago, like ...um...how about cream filled taco?

Brilliant!!! Or, if cft won't cop to it... how about an Omar retcon??

[Boldido]

If the poorer kids were left out before, it seems they'd be excluded even more without a school-prom.

If most of the students and their families are doing the undesirable things, I'd expect Prom v. 2.0 to include even more of those things.

If the same behavior were occurring at a public school, why wouldn't you want the prom to be cancelled?

Once you are left out, you are left out. If you can't get into a hot club, it doesn't really matter if you are right behind the velvet rope or a block and one half away, once you are out, your are out.

[Boldido]

Brilliant!!! Or, if cft won't cop to it... how about an Omar retcon??

Wait a tic...rape?! Burning?! Retcons?! ...on a medium as family friendly as a message board?!?! That's just ridiculous!!!

[Shades0077]

The luddite kinksters may not go for a Sybian or a hi-tech vibrator, but there's plenty of room for toys even among the most luddite of kinky folk. Keep in mind, early examples of erotic art and dildos are among of the oldest archaeological items in existence.
So that's what Stonehenge is for!

[Matt Algren]

Wait a tic...rape?! Burning?! Retcons?! ...on a medium as family friendly as a message board?!?! That's just ridiculous!!!
You forgot the most important part. HE WAS PREGNANT!!!

[MacQuarrie]

If the poorer kids were left out before, it seems they'd be excluded even more without a school-prom.
I don't follow your reasoning. The poorer kids (who I assume are attending the school on a scholarship or other charitable basis) were probably not going to go to the prom in any case. Okay, maybe some of the girls might, if they were talented enough to make their own dresses, but there's no way a guy could swing it.

If most of the students and their families are doing the undesirable things, I'd expect Prom v. 2.0 to include even more of those things.
But the school will not be responsible for it and can't be held liable.
If the same behavior were occurring at a public school, why wouldn't you want the prom to be cancelled?
Because a public school doesn't promise moral education?

[west3man]

Once you are left out, you are left out. If you can't get into a hot club, it doesn't really matter if you are right behind the velvet rope or a block and one half away, once you are out, your are out.
I thought she meant excluded and left out of those activities, not out of the prom, itself.

I thought, and someone else said earlier, that the principal's objections were largely due to what occurred after the prom.

[Corrina]

If the same behavior were occurring at a public school, why wouldn't you want the prom to be cancelled?

Because there's a different expectation in a public school. It's supposed to be accessible.

With a private school, the parents have chose to place their kids under the teachings of that particular school. In the case of this school that nixed the prom, it's a religious school in which the principal had a moral objection to what the prom had become.

If the parents disagree with those morals, they can take their kids out of that school and not pay tuition.

In a public school, there isn't that option. It's the only game in town, it's not a voluntary choice to attend. Therefore, a principal cannot simply impose his own standard of morality that may or may not be shared by the parents and community which it serves.

In the case of the private school, the parents who choose to pay the tuition *knew* their kids would be subject to certain moral teachings. It may even be the reasons those parents choose that school. If they did or do not agree with them, they can withdraw the kids from the school or switch to another private school.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Wait a tic...rape?! Burning?! Retcons?! ...on a medium as family friendly as a message board?!?! That's just ridiculous!!!

This board has gay folk on it. And Spack and Samurai. Clearly it wasn't intended for an all-ages audience.

[west3man]

I don't follow your reasoning. The poorer kids (who I assume are attending the school on a scholarship or other charitable basis) were probably not going to go to the prom in any case. Okay, maybe some of the girls might, if they were talented enough to make their own dresses, but there's no way a guy could swing it. They can swing it. They just won't swing as high.

At my schools we had people wearing more expensive dresses and tuxes. That didn't mean that the rest of us wouldn't or couldn't go, just because ours cost less.

But the school will not be responsible for it and can't be held liable. The school never should've been held responsible for it, in my opinion. If the school did the right thing at the prom, then they did their job.

What occurs after the prom has to do with the means and the values of those involved. Ending the prom doesn't remove their means or change their values. Maybe it removes a convenient, but insubstantial link, but that's it.

Because a public school doesn't promise moral education? That might or might not be her reason.

To address yours, I wonder if every such event is cancelled, for similar reasons. Homecoming dances can be or may be followed by parties, too. Plenty of other occasions are used as excuses to do the things the school has a problem with (which I know goes beyond partying). Cancelling the functions isn't the answer and it doesn't change the behavior. It does make a statement, though, which I have no problem with... except for the priorities the principal laid out when he made that statement.

[west3man]

In a public school, there isn't that option. It's the only game in town, it's not a voluntary choice to attend. Therefore, a principal cannot simply impose his own standard of morality that may or may not be shared by the parents and community which it serves. There are alternatives to public schools and not every person who attends Public School A *has* to go to that public school. I don't agree that it's the only game in town - if for no reason besides the fact that there are private schools.

I think you've made some good points, though, even if I don't agree with all of them.

In the case of the private school, the parents who choose to pay the tuition *knew* their kids would be subject to certain moral teachings. It may even be the reasons those parents choose that school. If they did or do not agree with them, they can withdraw the kids from the school or switch to another private school. The parents showed their moral fiber by financing and allowing their children's behavior.

The school's choice to change their rules, after the school year has started (and tuition has been paid, I'd imagine) apparently only gives the parents the option not to bring their child back next year... not to withdraw and take their tuition. I don't have much experience with private institution, though. Is that inaccurate?

[jwmojo]

Because there's a different expectation in a public school. It's supposed to be accessible.

With a private school, the parents have chose to place their kids under the teachings of that particular school. In the case of this school that nixed the prom, it's a religious school in which the principal had a moral objection to what the prom had become.

If the parents disagree with those morals, they can take their kids out of that school and not pay tuition.

In a public school, there isn't that option. It's the only game in town, it's not a voluntary choice to attend. Therefore, a principal cannot simply impose his own standard of morality that may or may not be shared by the parents and community which it serves.

In the case of the private school, the parents who choose to pay the tuition *knew* their kids would be subject to certain moral teachings. It may even be the reasons those parents choose that school. If they did or do not agree with them, they can withdraw the kids from the school or switch to another private school.

Very well put. I was trying to think of a good way to explain my own feelings on this. I couldn't have said it any better you did here.

[Slam_Bradley]

What's with these people going back on topic?

[JeffreyWKramer]

What's with these people going back on topic?

They don't like orgies.

Which saddens me. Particularly in Corrina's case.

[PatrickG]

Orgy porgy.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Orgy porgy.

Snark! No orgies for you.

[K'Nort]

My prom was too cool.... It was a Romeo + Juliet theme,

Am I the only one who finds teenagers-commiting-suicide a totally creepy theme for a high school prom? Of course, I was really really into creepy and morbid at that that age, but still.


You only made a passing inference to it, I still don't know who and what was involved in the other threads that led you to make those inferences, but apparently K'Nort had and hit a nerve when querying why you brought it up at all.

I have to point-of-clarification this because that sounds extraordinarily eveil. I queried because I had NOT known what was involved and thus was confused. Sure, things got snarky. But it wasn't originally started on purpose like that.

[Dreadstar]

Sure, things got snarky. But it wasn't originally started on purpose like that.


Well, that's the way of the snark. Someone posts some innoculous query, the other reads a little snark into it, so they make their snark a little bigger. And the next one has to prove that they have an even bigger snark, and so on and so on...

It's MAS!

Mutually Assured Snarkiness!

[K'Nort]

I've seen them in action first-hand. A wonderful thing, for sure.

So here's a real email exchange between my mother and I:

-- Does the word Sybian mean anything to you?

-- No. Should it? Does it to you?

-- It didn't.... But you'd have to do a google search at home, not work.

-- Oh, then it does mean something to me. But I thought there was an "r" in it. And where did you come across this word?

[JeffreyWKramer]

Am I the only one who finds teenagers-commiting-suicide a totally creepy theme for a high school prom? Of course, I was really really into creepy and morbid at that that age, but still.

Were you a goth girl?

[JeffreyWKramer]

So here's a real email exchange between my mother and I:

-- Does the word Sybian mean anything to you?

-- No. Should it? Does it to you?

-- It didn't.... But you'd have to do a google search at home, not work.

-- Oh, then it does mean something to me. But I thought there was an "r" in it. And where did you come across this word?

LOL! And how did the conversation progress from there?

[K'Nort]

Were you a goth girl?

Oh yeah. I was totally Winona Ryder in Beetlejuice. And that's not sarcasm.

[PatrickG]

Snark! No orgies for you.

It was a Brave New World reference.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Oh yeah. I was totally Winona Ryder in Beetlejuice. And that's not sarcasm.

Please post some pics from said time. I love the old-school goth girl look.

[MacQuarrie]

They can swing it. They just won't swing as high.
Dude, I couldn't get my mom to front me $17 for the frigging yearbook. Prom was out of the question.

[Royal]

Ok. Read through the thread.

1. Anybody got asprin?

2. I agree. Prom should be called off. If not for moral ideals, then for finacial. $10,000 for a house...Hi-yah.

3. The meaning of prom has been ruined by bacchanalian aspects as well as Appolloian aspects as well. Back in my Junior/senior year of school, we had two hour sessions every year listening to speakers who were supposed to give you facts & speak on the dangers of drunk driving given their first hand experiances due to having a loved one going out like that. Instead we were shouted at and blamed for the shortcoming & downfall of their stupid little gits of children. I served detention for saying that too. Fast Forwrd to '03. I'm at a resturant visiting friends & having a brew. Earlier, I had ran into a cousin of mine who was having her senior prom in the same resturant. Well the short of it was that the local police pulled a sting on the prom & was breathilizing everyone. My cousin had just over a cold & was taking Roburussin to fight it off. For those not in the know, 'tussin sets off breathilizers. So I end up smuggling my cousin & her friends out of the building. Last year, the stings got more frequent in my neck of the woods & have exstended to school-run post party lockdowns as well.

Now do I expect a boo-hoo and a hankerchief? Nah. I'm not. I think that with the wave of underage drinkin & fornucatin, followed by the new wave of sting, tests & $500 dollar tickets happening now, have made the idea & notion of "Prom" seem & feel like a wasted effort.

4. I think that a thread going from the shutdown of prom to sex toys is truly a monumental event.

5. I'm intrested in those pictures to, K'Nort. :)

[west3man]

Dude, I couldn't get my mom to front me $17 for the frigging yearbook. Prom was out of the question.
I'm sorry that was the case, but "poorer" doesn't mean "poorest." Some of the poorer people probably wouldn't be able to go, either way. Some of the poorer people might be able to go, but only under certain conditions. I think the school is more likely to present the more inclusive conditions.

[Corrina]

They don't like orgies.

Which saddens me. Particularly in Corrina's case.

Awww....

:shuffles feet and blushes:

[Corrina]

I don't have much experience with private institution, though. Is that inaccurate?

You can pay tuition on a monthy, quarterly or yearly basis in many private schools, though I can't speak specifically to this particular one.

I do think doing away with the prom now at the beginning of the school year, allows parents/students plenty of time to put something together themselves, if they desire. But if the school is not comfortable sanctioning an event of this nature, there's no reason it has too. As I said, it's a private school and can make its own rules. Just because it did something in the past doesn't mean its obligated to do the same in the future, especially if said event is causing problems.

[west3man]

Thanks for the info. That increases the possibilities.I do think doing away with the prom now at the beginning of the school year, allows parents/students plenty of time to put something together themselves, if they desire.
I think doing so before the school year began would've been preferable, but this is at least better than waiting until March to cancel it.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Awww....

:shuffles feet and blushes:

You minx! ;) I know I've said before that I find blushing sexy!!

[Boldido]

You minx! ;) I know I've said before that I find blushing sexy!!

Wouldn't it be a shorter list to run down what you DON'T find sexy?

Um...linoleum?

Nope, sexy.

Egg yolks?

Sexy.

George Bush bobble head doll?

Bingo!!!

[JeffreyWKramer]

Wouldn't it be a shorter list to run down what you DON'T find sexy?

Um...linoleum?

Nope, sexy.

Egg yolks?

Sexy.

George Bush bobble head doll?

Bingo!!!

LOL! Actually, I find none of the above sexy.

But gals blushing is quite high on my "very sexy" list.

[YoGo]

OK, I've been raped, burned, shot through a multiples times and retroactively impregnated by JeffreyWKramer.

And Prometheus thought he had it tough with the daily liver pickin. I can't seem to freakin die and everybody takes it as an open invitation for pot shots!!!

This thread needs to end.

[Corrina]

OK, I've been raped, burned, shot through a multiples times and retroactively impregnated by JeffreyWKramer.
This thread needs to end.

Wait, we haven't drowned you in the frozen river yet. Though I think Rasputin survived that, too.

[Rabid Trekkie]

Wait, we haven't drowned you in the frozen river yet. Though I think Rasputin survived that, too.

Rasputin survived everything. Though he lost his "little friend" as its supposed to be in one of the museums.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Rasputin survived everything. Though he lost his "little friend" as its supposed to be in one of the museums.

Rumor has it Dillinger's "friend" - which is apparently not so little - is also preserved in a museum somewhere.

The world's worst idea for a comic - someone grafts these evil members onto people, and the people become possessed by the spirits of these evil men.

Of course, it might not be so awful depending how it's done. A good writer might save that.

Gail, you needing any BoP plots? Think how Babs, Dinah and Helena would like fighting the dicks of doom!

[OzBat!]

I have to point-of-clarification this because that sounds extraordinarily eveil. I queried because I had NOT known what was involved and thus was confused. Sure, things got snarky. But it wasn't originally started on purpose like that.In this thread, extraordinarily evil earns you bonus snark points. Thanks for the clarification!

And now, back to our irregularly scheduled orgy.

[OzBat!]

Gail, you needing any BoP plots? Think how Babs, Dinah and Helena would like fighting the dicks of doom!Formaldehyde is NOT an efficient sex aid, sorry!

[PatrickG]

3. The meaning of prom has been ruined by bacchanalian aspects as well as Appolloian aspects as well. Back in my Junior/senior year of school, we had two hour sessions every year listening to speakers who were supposed to give you facts & speak on the dangers of drunk driving given their first hand experiances due to having a loved one going out like that. Instead we were shouted at and blamed for the shortcoming & downfall of their stupid little gits of children. I served detention for saying that too. Fast Forwrd to '03. I'm at a resturant visiting friends & having a brew. Earlier, I had ran into a cousin of mine who was having her senior prom in the same resturant. Well the short of it was that the local police pulled a sting on the prom & was breathilizing everyone. My cousin had just over a cold & was taking Roburussin to fight it off. For those not in the know, 'tussin sets off breathilizers. So I end up smuggling my cousin & her friends out of the building. Last year, the stings got more frequent in my neck of the woods & have exstended to school-run post party lockdowns as well.

Now do I expect a boo-hoo and a hankerchief? Nah. I'm not. I think that with the wave of underage drinkin & fornucatin, followed by the new wave of sting, tests & $500 dollar tickets happening now, have made the idea & notion of "Prom" seem & feel like a wasted effort.



This is one problem I have with our society. I don't know that I would describe Prom as Bacchanalian but it certainly has its Dionysian elements (participation in which is strictly voluntary I might add -- I didn't get drunk or laid at prom) and I think we're a bunch of bloody fools in the cosmic drama to be so puritan as to shut down and eliminate Dionysian expression in our culture. That's part of what got the Victorians their Jack the Ripper.

This country is founded on Greco-Roman ideals (filtered through the lenses of capitalism and vague, deistic Chri