What if Idenity Crisis retconned current Batman's behavior?

[Guts/Batman]

If Identity Crisis retconned ALL of BatDick's behavior, what would you think of that?

Nevermind the continuity issues.

I think I would still see that as completely bull----. They did the same thing to Hal in Re-Birth. I still call that bull----.

[IamtheRock3]

Well could explain somet things


Really seem Like IC plan is the make Batman THE HUGEST DICK POSSIBLE...


just so he can fall and Fans wont get piss that this Batman is gone.

Kind of like they made Supes a little bit of a crybaby..so golden Age Superman can replace him

Think The Trinity will be replace.

[IamtheRock3]

To me a Reconned is not neccesary..just stop being a jerk

That really it. People have short memories.



It just bats stuff..had a tednecy even before Omac to be focuse on more. If you think About it The Power Pact cause nearly as much damage with mine wipes Of villans

I an Advetenly causing Villans United and the Split of The JLa

Wasnt there Plan. Mind wipes and Labotmoies (MORE then one Labotomy due to reconns after criss) were not suspose to get that far. But it did. Just like Brother Eyes..NOT the omacs was just supsose to be survelence..thats it


Thing is you read Green Latnern...And Hawkman..they not going to bring that up EVERY second

It just "Opps"

And move on

I know I bring up Vanishing a Lot..but PERFECT example. Vanishing cause a lot of garbage but forgot about. Some say it was in Superman head but I dought it..and if it was it a cop out.

This not Making Anying Batman did any better


no...But what it does show how to reonned it..DONT..F up..and move on

Promblem is batman dickness hasnt been part of his charcter but an actul PLOT POINT for years.

[Lester C.]

If Identity Crisis retconned ALL of BatDick's behavior, what would you think of that?

Nevermind the continuity issues.

I think I would still see that as completely bull----. They did the same thing to Hal in Re-Birth. I still call that bull----.

In terms of behavior I the Batman of all my trades from the eighties back when you had Alan Grant and Doug Monech handling the character. That Batman was a loner that hadn’t divorced all ties with humanity. He saw Bruce Wayne and Batman as two individuals with different needs and allies. As Bruce he sought the company of Vicki Vale and as Batman he had Jim Gordon. While he was lonely he never was alone and he certainly wasn’t the cold paranoid sob that he is today.

[The Shadow]

In terms of behavior I the Batman of all my trades from the eighties back when you had Alan Grant and Doug Monech handling the character. That Batman was a loner that hadn’t divorced all ties with humanity. He saw Bruce Wayne and Batman as two individuals with different needs and allies. As Bruce he sought the company of Vicki Vale and as Batman he had Jim Gordon. While he was lonely he never was alone and he certainly wasn’t the cold paranoid sob that he is today.
Yep... some great reading from back then. The 70's were also a great period though he didn't have as many allies to alienate.

[dazzler_slave]

I wouldn't want his character to be retconned, because I have always thought that retconning is a cheat (except for planned reboots like Superman and Wonder Woman post-Crisis). I would rather they allowed his character to progress due to events in IC and cause him to soften a little. People can change naturally, they don't need some retcon to explain it. He was supposed to soften after the events in Bruce Wayne: Fugitive. I hope they do it for real this time.

EDIT: I also wanted to clarify that I approved the reboots of Supes and WW post-crisis because COIE was intended to clean up DC's confusing continuity and they did it right after Crisis, which was a starting off point. I don't agree with the later reboot of Hawkman (Hawkworld) or the recent reboot of Doom Patrol because they were rebooted when the rest of the DC Universe was in a shared continuity with no real explanation and in both cases were totally unneccesary.

[Sean Whitmore]

IC doesn't really explain why he's such a dick to his own "family", though. In the past few years he's rather cruelly manipulated Huntress, Tim, Spoiler, Batgirl, and Sasha to one extent or another. Not to mention he's been a huge dick to Dick (Ha! I love it! :D ) since...well, forever.


SEAN

[Guts/Batman]

IC doesn't really explain why he's such a dick to his own "family", though. In the past few years he's rather cruelly manipulated Huntress, Tim, Spoiler, Batgirl, and Sasha to one extent or another. Not to mention he's been a huge dick to Dick (Ha! I love it! :D ) since...well, forever.


SEAN

The sad thing is that it doesn't explain that at all.

But just thinking what if has me thinking...they did it with Hawkman, they did it with Superman, they did it with Hal in Re-Birth...why not Batman?

[palaeomerus]

I'm in the "blow it all up and start over in the mold of the Timm/Dini cartoons" camp myself...

[Alan2099]

I still say they need to pull a "untold Legends of Batman" and show us that Bruce and Batman are subconsiously trying to destroy each other, end the story with them realizing how far "they" have gone and becoming a single better person because of it.

[SdotCopp]

I still say they need to pull a "untold Legends of Batman" and show us that Bruce and Batman are subconsiously trying to destroy each other, end the story with them realizing how far "they" have gone and becoming a single better person because of it.

isn't that basically what happened in fugitive?

[IamtheRock3]

The sad thing is that it doesn't explain that at all.

But just thinking what if has me thinking...they did it with Hawkman, they did it with Superman, they did it with Hal in Re-Birth...why not Batman?

Because DC hate Batman and want us All to hate him

Think that basicly fact now.

[IamtheRock3]

to be fair

I dont think they were any other way to clean Hal slate beside a Reconned...he activly TRIED to kill his fellow heroes, took over the world, rewrote time, killed the Lanterns


This kind of CLEANS THE SLATE

sense Hal suspose to be a lighter hero then most. Also fans HATED wha the did to Hal...HATED IT!!!


And to be fair it was VERY out of charcter


Leas batman dickness..while multiplied in recent years to fit a story (Ex Notch knocking down)

It is history of him being a bit dickish where it not pulled out of thin air. Dont like it, Think their wrong to make him like this (being their top selling hero and all) but was least a bit of Dickiness there for them to build up on and multiple.

Also simply they can AFFORD to make batman like this, destory Gotham, rape knighwing..etc etc..because he will sale no matter what. He the Tefflon Don of super heros


Hal got to say...what they did to him was Garbage
But just wish they came up with a bit more imaginative way to fix it instead of Yellow FEAR MONSTER

[1HELLBOY]

I still say they need to pull a "untold Legends of Batman" and show us that Bruce and Batman are subconsiously trying to destroy each other, end the story with them realizing how far "they" have gone and becoming a single better person because of it.


That's basically already happened in Batman:Ego by Darwyn Cooke.