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artemisboy
10-13-2005, 03:50 PM
Anyone else reading this?
- Peter
Dizzy D
10-13-2005, 04:12 PM
Bought issue 1, but wasn't interested in the rest of the series. I'm waiting on the next Morrison with Wildcats.
artemisboy
10-13-2005, 04:21 PM
It's an ok read for me. I like the Zealot character and as it focuses on a former member of the Coda, the whole topic is something I could sink my teeth into. That aside, the story just pretty much explains the various factions of the planet Khera and how the lead character is actually from one that has yet never before been revealed. The first issue did give some juicy insight to the relationship between Zealot and her sister Savant that was never shown before. It's got me scratching my head and interested to find out more.
BTW, I used to read the Wildcats comic when it was "fun" and dropped it when it got too cloak and dagger. Since when was the "Brotherhood of the Sword" faction introduced? Are they supposed to be the male equivelant to the Coda?
- Peter
Dizzy D
10-13-2005, 05:37 PM
It's an ok read for me. I like the Zealot character and as it focuses on a former member of the Coda, the whole topic is something I could sink my teeth into. That aside, the story just pretty much explains the various factions of the planet Khera and how the lead character is actually from one that has yet never before been revealed. The first issue did give some juicy insight to the relationship between Zealot and her sister Savant that was never shown before. It's got me scratching my head and interested to find out more.
BTW, I used to read the Wildcats comic when it was "fun" and dropped it when it got too cloak and dagger. Since when was the "Brotherhood of the Sword" faction introduced? Are they supposed to be the male equivelant to the Coda?
- Peter
Zealot and Savant's relationship was revealed in Wildstorm Summer Special, a year or so ago. One of my problems with this series is that Nemesis knows about it, while apart from Zealot and her mother hardly anybody else knew (Majestic and Savant themselves don't even know).
As for the Brotherhood of the Sword: didn't hear from them before. The male equivalent of the Coda for so far as there was any would be the Pantheon, the political faction of Lord Emp.
I'm reading it and I like it so far, being completely new to Wildcats. This is the first of anything I'm hearing about the Coda and everything else, so it's good that the series makes everything understandable.
Apathy Boy
10-14-2005, 01:10 AM
I read the first issue and found it rather pointless. It wasn't bad, but the story didn't go anywhere.
The art in the first part of the book was pretty enough, though.
Antonio B.
10-14-2005, 05:50 AM
I like it. Interesting to me.
artemisboy
10-14-2005, 10:54 AM
Zealot and Savant's relationship was revealed in Wildstorm Summer Special, a year or so ago. One of my problems with this series is that Nemesis knows about it, while apart from Zealot and her mother hardly anybody else knew (Majestic and Savant themselves don't even know).
Wow, could you spoil it for me? I've been out of the loop for some time.
As for the Brotherhood of the Sword: didn't hear from them before. The male equivalent of the Coda for so far as there was any would be the Pantheon, the political faction of Lord Emp.
Again, as I haven't heard of them before, I guess I could be wrong. But in the second issue of Nemesis all of the various Kheran factions were talked about, including Spartan guards and the Pantheon members. The Brotherhood of the Sword were described as a completely different group and were said to be the Coda's main rivals. It was this description that made me think that they are the male equivilant to the Amazon Coda warriors.
- Peter
Dizzy D
10-14-2005, 12:11 PM
Wow, could you spoil it for me? I've been out of the loop for some time.
Check the Mr. Majestic thread, it has about all the details in it.
Again, as I haven't heard of them before, I guess I could be wrong. But in the second issue of Nemesis all of the various Kheran factions were talked about, including Spartan guards and the Pantheon members. The Brotherhood of the Sword were described as a completely different group and were said to be the Coda's main rivals. It was this description that made me think that they are the male equivilant to the Amazon Coda warriors.
- Peter
I haven't heard from them before. When the Wildcats visited Khera, Spartan explains that Kheran politics are two about evenly large factions contending for political power: the Coda and the Pantheon. The native Kherans, the Titans (Maul's race: those big purple-skinned creatures), while having no real political power themselves, support the more moderate Pantheon and are the determining factor.
The Sword are newly introduced as far as I know (they may have been introduced in a spin-off series though, I've only read the main Wildcats and Majestic series).
artemisboy
10-14-2005, 02:46 PM
Is it just me or does Zealot look a lot like Annie Lennox in this series?
- Peter
Very great series. I only picked it up because of Zealot. But I am really getting into the story. Nemesis is the kind of villainess or bad girl I admire. Completely mis-understood. She doesn't seem to care what everyone thinks of her. While you can say the same about Zealot. Zealot is conscious of her reputation. Whereas Nemesis doesn't care about hers.
Strannik
11-07-2005, 11:09 PM
I'm trying to figure out how this fits into established Wildstorm continuity. So far, it isn't working so well.
The story itself strikes me as average, with occasional moments of greatness popping up here and there. I thought Robbie Morrison's characterisation of Savant and Majestic were a bit off. Still, I'll be following the series for another issue or two, just to see where it's heading.
Uncensored
11-11-2005, 12:13 AM
I liked WildC.A.T.s/cats back in the 90's, but stopped reading after the first half-dozen or so issues of volume 2. So I'm not too sure what's going on with this title (where is Maul, Voodoo, Spartan, Warblade or Void?), beyond that the book is pretty blah. I somewhat like Talent Caldwell's art (he draws Charis pretty hot), but other than that the book doesn't do alot for me.
I loved number 3. It was really really great. I really am enjoying the back and forth of th storytelling and in which Robison throws out enough information and then teases you with enough to have you comming back for more.
I think that Charis is really wonderful. She's a terrific anti-heroine. In that she comes across worse than she really is, but on the other hand does nothing to dispell anyone's negative misconceptions of her. She really reminds me a lot of the old (Rucka/Dixon) version of Huntress.
artemisboy
11-15-2005, 03:08 PM
On a side note: Anyone know if Voodoo and Zealot kissed and made-up after the whole Planet Khera fiasco? Zealot was a total beyotch to Voodoo there.
- Peter
Dizzy D
11-15-2005, 03:33 PM
On a side note: Anyone know if Voodoo and Zealot kissed and made-up after the whole Planet Khera fiasco? Zealot was a total beyotch to Voodoo there.
- Peter
I don't think they really had the chance to make up. They may have made up off-panel or somewhere during the non-Moore issues of volume 1. Since the beginning of Volume 2 Voodoo and Zealot's paths haven't crossed.
pennywisdom
11-27-2005, 02:07 AM
Just out of curiosity, would this title be too hard to read for a complete WildCATS newbie? Wildstorm publishes a lot of cool stuff, but for some reason, I've never gotten into WildCATS. What should I know?
Dizzy D
11-27-2005, 09:43 AM
Just out of curiosity, would this title be too hard to read for a complete WildCATS newbie? Wildstorm publishes a lot of cool stuff, but for some reason, I've never gotten into WildCATS. What should I know?
The main character is a completely new character, so I don't think you would have too much problem getting into this series. And things like Kherans, Daemonites and Coda are pretty clear from the story.
Turd_Ferguson
11-27-2005, 09:58 AM
The main character is a completely new character, so I don't think you would have too much problem getting into this series. And things like Kherans, Daemonites and Coda are pretty clear from the story.
Just don't go judging the rest of Wildcats by this book. It's usually been a lot better than this.
pennywisdom
11-27-2005, 11:21 PM
Excellent. Thanks. :)
Just out of curiosity, would this title be too hard to read for a complete WildCATS newbie? Wildstorm publishes a lot of cool stuff, but for some reason, I've never gotten into WildCATS. What should I know?
No....not really. But it is one of those books where, if you understand the characters you'll enjoy it more. But Morrison pretty much nails each character. And yes Nemesis is a completly new character. But I don't think you'll have a hard time digesting or getting the history.
Just don't go judging the rest of Wildcats by this book. It's usually been a lot better than this.
Interesting you say that. This is the first time I've actually enjoyed the book since Lobdell left. I actually wasn't bored.
aukevin
11-30-2005, 10:03 AM
I have not read any old Wildcats books, but I've been reading Nemesis and really enjoy it. It made me buy all of version 1 on ebay to get more back history on the Wildcats. The only Wildstorm character I know is Majestic, and that is only from his three series (Image, DC, current Wildstorm). I'm enjoying learning all these new characters. Zealot and Grifter seem cool.
anyone who has read the wildstorm winter special will understand what nemesis is talking about in this series.
pennywisdom
12-04-2005, 06:03 PM
I just finished the first issue, and I'm definitely impressed. I look forward to collecting the rest of this series, as well as some of the older WildCATS books.
Mia - I agree with your opinion of Nemesis. She seems a lot like old school Huntress, so of course, she'll make a great villain/anti-hero. Comics that focus on female characters are out there, but they're not terribly prevalent, so this is a welcome change of pace. It's also cool to see a comic that uses class structure as a basis for thematic content. Again, that's not terribly common. Also, like I said, I'm new to WildCATS, so the concept of Kheran society is still somewhat of a novelty to me, but you're right in that it's not so complicated as to be unreadable. I'm definitely enjoying this series so far.
Turd_Ferguson
12-05-2005, 01:09 PM
No....not really. But it is one of those books where, if you understand the characters you'll enjoy it more. But Morrison pretty much nails each character. And yes Nemesis is a completly new character. But I don't think you'll have a hard time digesting or getting the history.
Interesting you say that. This is the first time I've actually enjoyed the book since Lobdell left. I actually wasn't bored.
See, I'm much more of a volume 2 and 3 fan than most of the first run.
I just finished the first issue, and I'm definitely impressed. I look forward to collecting the rest of this series, as well as some of the older WildCATS books.
Mia - I agree with your opinion of Nemesis. She seems a lot like old school Huntress, so of course, she'll make a great villain/anti-hero. Comics that focus on female characters are out there, but they're not terribly prevalent, so this is a welcome change of pace. It's also cool to see a comic that uses class structure as a basis for thematic content. Again, that's not terribly common. Also, like I said, I'm new to WildCATS, so the concept of Kheran society is still somewhat of a novelty to me, but you're right in that it's not so complicated as to be unreadable. I'm definitely enjoying this series so far.
Penny I am really glad that you are enjoying it. I hope you know that issue 2&3 are out and #4 comes out next Wednesday.
I picked up the book primarily for Zealot and Caldwell's art. But now I can't stop re-reading the issues. And can't wait for the next issue to come out. It's been a very, very long time since I've been able to say that about a comic book. I also like the back and forth of the story telling; where the reader has to piece together what is happening and what has happened. There's a lot of "everything is not as it seems" in this book and I appreciate that.
I am not that up on the Kheran society either. I have the issues but never read them that much in depth. I do know that Zealot, Savant and Majestic are from the aritocracy.
See, I'm much more of a volume 2 and 3 fan than most of the first run.
Ah, I see... :)
Strannik
12-05-2005, 08:10 PM
Just don't go judging the rest of Wildcats by this book. It's usually been a lot better than this.
I'm a fan of Moore's run and volumes 2 and 3. I mean, no offense, but, on early Volume 1, the writing kind of sucked
pennywisdom
12-06-2005, 02:51 AM
Penny I am really glad that you are enjoying it. I hope you know that issue 2&3 are out and #4 comes out next Wednesday.
Yup. They're on their way in the mail.
I picked up the book primarily for Zealot and Caldwell's art.
The art is definitely very good. That was a strong selling point for me, too. I plan on picking up some more of Caldwell's work.
But now I can't stop re-reading the issues. And can't wait for the next issue to come out. It's been a very, very long time since I've been able to say that about a comic book. I also like the back and forth of the story telling; where the reader has to piece together what is happening and what has happened. There's a lot of "everything is not as it seems" in this book and I appreciate that. I am not that up on the Kheran society either. I have the issues but never read them that much in depth. I do know that Zealot, Savant and Majestic are from the aritocracy.
The fact that everything needs pieced together is a big reason I'm enjoying it.
I hate to change the subject from Nemesis, but since I'm here I'll ask: which WildCATS TPBs can anyone recommend, and in what order are they best read? It seems there is some debate as to whether volume 1, 2, or 3 is the best, but what are the strengths and weaknesses of each?
I'm picking up WildCATS Compendium (http://www.dccomics.com/graphic_novels/?gn=1786) to get some background, as well as some of the volume 1 flavor. I'm also getting Street Smart (http://www.dccomics.com/graphic_novels/?gn=1792) because it seems to be the first TPB of Vol 2 and has a modern look. Out of curiosity, how many issues did Vol 2 last, and why was it cancelled/restarted? Thanks for any recommendations/info.
Dizzy D
12-06-2005, 06:58 AM
I'm a fan of Moore's run and volumes 2 and 3. I mean, no offense, but, on early Volume 1, the writing kind of sucked
Late volume 1 also had bad writing. Volume 3 is probably one of my favourite comics ever.
Dizzy D
12-06-2005, 07:03 AM
Yup. They're on their way in the mail.
The art is definitely very good. That was a strong selling point for me, too. I plan on picking up some more of Caldwell's work.
The fact that everything needs pieced together is a big reason I'm enjoying it.
I hate to change the subject from Nemesis, but since I'm here I'll ask: which WildCATS TPBs can anyone recommend, and in what order are they best read? It seems there is some debate as to whether volume 1, 2, or 3 is the best, but what are the strengths and weaknesses of each?
I'm picking up WildCATS Compendium (http://www.dccomics.com/graphic_novels/?gn=1786) to get some background, as well as some of the volume 1 flavor. I'm also getting Street Smart (http://www.dccomics.com/graphic_novels/?gn=1792) because it seems to be the first TPB of Vol 2 and has a modern look. Out of curiosity, how many issues did Vol 2 last, and why was it cancelled/restarted? Thanks for any recommendations/info.
Volume 2 was 28 issues. It was relaunched because Casey wanted to change the focus of the series to the Halo Company and probably to get reader numbers up. Street Smart has some amazing art, but storywise I wasn't that impressed. Lobdell sets up some storylines, but never finishes them, leaving pretty soon.
I would advise getting the Moore TPBs (Homecoming and Gang War) and then go for volume 2 and 3.
Thought you folks would like to see a preview of issue 4.
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0512/06/dcfirsts.htm
pennywisdom
12-11-2005, 04:51 AM
Mia - Thanks. :) Also, there are a bunch of great books on that page, not just Nemesis.
After a long wait, I read issue 4. It was rather 'blah' and really felt more like a 'padded' issue. And did more to explain how she got her name 'Nemesis'. The fight scenes were lousy, but I'm not going to fault it for that.
Still I like Charis a lot. She reminds me a lot of the pre-BoP Huntress. Whom I admire. So I'm sticking with it.
pennywisdom
12-18-2005, 05:39 AM
Yeah, keep reading. I like Charis more as I go. Morrison has done a good job of writing a more complex, well thought out anti-hero. Rather than just slip into traditional conventions, Nemesis is blurring the line between "good guy" and "bad guy" in a much more interesting way than I've seen in recent years. The ice cream scene, for example, was sweet and real and you have to imbue the character with a certain humanity to pull that off convincingly, without seeming forced.
ElijahS23
12-18-2005, 08:11 PM
...based on the details from you two (Mia & Pennywise). I'm like some of the others who favor WC Vol 3, it remains Casey's best stuff IMHO.
I don't know, I skimmed through the 1st and maybe 2nd issues and it didn't make me want to shell out the $$, but I guess the only way to know is to dive in, right? From your kudos, it seems like a story I'd be into. But I do agree w/ you about the art, Caldwell is "Talent"-ed in his own right; even surpassing his "mentor" / "stylistic idol" of sorts, Michael Turner. You might hear some people's argument about him being one o' those "one-dimensional" artists, a la Turner, Jim Lee, J S Campbell etc (and I agree) but I myself (sometimes) have kind of a soft spot in my heart for it...
BUT IN A NUTSHELL...
In terms of WILDC.A.T TPB recommendations, the 1st volume will set you up for the history and "who's who", so that's good since you're liking Zealot and the gang. But storywise, I'd have to agree w/ those that find it lacking; after all back in the day, these were artists / newbies that were literally diving into writing... to me, they were just "fun" reads.
Late VOL 1 and up is where you'll see more seasoned writers putting in their two cents on the team, Scott Lobdell, the great Alan Moore, and Joe Casey specifically. I love Moore, but frankly I think at this time he was just in it for the quick buck and (from what I remember of the storyline) it showed. But again, it's more backstory on the 'CATS as they return to home and you get to see Khera for the first time.
VOL 2 is where the "fun shoot-em-up" stories give way to much darker times.. It becomes more centralized and focused storytelling dealing w/ issues like the fragmenting of the original team/members' relationships, rebuilding of the team/adapting to new members, trust, manipulation, serial killers (this is where it got REALLY quite disturbing), the ultimate fate of an aging leader, the real story on the Kherubim/Daemonite War, etc.
I've gotta say VOL 3 is my fave 'cuz it's an in-your-face "this is how it is" take on the new world order and it's basically a condition of "evolve or die". And that's where the HALO Corp. and the latest version of the WILDCATS comes in. Things move from the battlefied to the boardroom, but believe me it's not what you expect and nothing like you've read before! The two tpb's for WILDCATS 3.0 are BRAND BUILDING and FULL DISCLOSURE, and also pick up the individual issues following F.D. (I believe #'s 13-24?) 'cuz they focus on Zealot's new mission in relation to the Coda Sisterhood on earth, it really is pretty intense! The sad part is that this series was prematurely cancelled and kinda fizzled towards the end...
Hope this helps a bit... :)
BTW, if you guys like the whole anti-hero, mystery-within-a-story deal, then I suggest you check out the POINT BLANK and SLEEPER tpb's. POINT BLANK serves as the launching point into the SLEEPER series. The Grifter plays a major role in P.B. and it touches on matters concerning Zealot and Savant, while Ms. Misery represents a strong female lead in SLEEPER.
And although not related to Wildcats, you MUST read the PLANETARY tpb's for the absolute BEST mystery series out there. It's a much better read through trades 'cuz ya don't have to wait for the loooooooooooooooong per-issue releases.
pennywisdom
12-19-2005, 07:23 AM
Elijah - Very cool. :) Thank you for the Wildcats recommends. Incidentally, I'm already a fan of Sleeper. I've been reading Brubaker for years now. And I'm also a very big fan of Ellis and Planetary. In fact, I had an Elijah Snow avatar for a long time.
To be honest. It's all a matter of personal taste. I don't think that anyone who likes the 'spandex' superhero stuff (ala X-Men) or likes Casey's work is going to like WC: Nemesis.
The only reason I ever followed or read the WC is due to Zealot. I caught her on the cartoon 10 years ago and became fascinated by her. I decided that she was a woman 'after my own heart' and have been a fan of her ever since. I only touched the comic book because of her. And during Casey's run I only picked up the issues she appeared in. I never really cared for Casey's work on WC and I don't particularly like him as a writer.
If you've caught most of my posts I will admit that I like Charis (because she reminds me of Dixon/Rucka version of Huntress). She is the quintesential mis-understood bad girl. Morrison is very good at displaying her layers one issue at a time. She's not quite as 'glib' as she appeared in the first issue. And association iwth the CODA means more to her than she would let on. What I especially liked in this past issue (#4) is how Majestic caught on that she intentionally provokes (ie. pisses people off) so that people will push her away and leave her alone (much like Huntress). I think it has a lot to do with the 'caste' of people she comes from. Former slaves and criminals. I don't know much about the CODA but you get the impression that she was the misfit amongst them. Or for lack of a better term an ugly duckling amonst swans.
I'm quite impressed though with Morrison's using the more interesting members of the WC and tying into the Kheran past. I also never cared about Majestic until I read this book.
Strannik
12-20-2005, 12:26 PM
To be honest. It's all a matter of personal taste. I don't think that anyone who likes the 'spandex' superhero stuff (ala X-Men) or likes Casey's work is going to like WC: Nemesis.
Nemesis strikes me as more European-style adventure sci-fi than a "spandex book". Personally, I loathe spandex because, with a few exceptions, I just don't think it makes for good costumes ;) Seriously, though, much as I love Casey's work, I don't mind superheroes. Just so long as they're well-written. So, I like both complex themes of Wildcats 3.0, the grittiness of Wilcats (the second volume) and Alan Moore's more sci-fi/superhero take on the franchise (despite the spandex ;) ).
As for Nemesis, I am honestly not sure. It's not a bad story, and, on occasion, it has the moments of pure brilliance (only to be followed by moments of cliched redundancy). I think Robbie Morrison's strength lies in characterization. His plots, though, tend to lapse into cliches and conventional superheroics. While that, in itself, is not always a bad thing, it's a bit of a letdown for me. I was hoping for better. I also take issue with a couple of continuity errors, but it's nothing that selective ignorance and a bit of finangling won't cure.
In the latest issue, I enjoyed the interactions between characters. I got a kick out of the fact that the events of Wildcats 3.0 were actually acknowledged. I'm troubled by the fact that it took the Kherubim members of Wildcats so long to figure out that Charis was innocent, especially given the fact that Keneesha and Majestros are both brillaint scientists with a wide array of post-human technology at their disposal (not to mention the fact that Majestos' High Lord physiology affectively makes him a walking laboratory). Even then, Wildcats still had Agent Wax, who could have proved if Charis was lying or telling the truth through his hypnotic abilities. The idea of Kara as an activator for Bladesmen-bred SPB's is certainly interesting, as is Charis' attempts to kill off all previous activators. One has to wonder how Bladesmen intent to ensure the loyalty of their post-human army should one of their activators actually succeed in their mission. I enjoyed the issue's cliffhanger and hope that it will pay off.
pennywisdom
12-21-2005, 04:20 AM
A couple questions - Is 3.0 finished permanently? If so, when is 4.0 coming (if at all)? You would think that if they're still introducing new characters, that the Wildcats story would continue on and on.
Dizzy D
12-21-2005, 06:04 AM
A couple questions - Is 3.0 finished permanently?
Yes, it is.
If so, when is 4.0 coming (if at all)?
Somewhere Summer 2006 is the last I've heard. Creative team will be Grant Morrison and Jim Lee.
pennywisdom
12-22-2005, 02:45 AM
Somewhere Summer 2006 is the last I've heard. Creative team will be Grant Morrison and Jim Lee.
Damn, I hope this comes to pass. It would be the event of the year (next to Brubaker and Lark on Daredevil). I'm new to Wildcats, but I've been a huge fan of both Morrison and Lee for a long time now. I'll keep my eye out for new developments.
ExoKnight
12-28-2005, 10:04 AM
Currently reading the series. It pretty decent. Has Nemesis appeared before this mini-series? If so, are her stories collected?
No, Charis is brand new and this is her first (but hopefully not last) appearance.
Notahiro
01-05-2006, 06:51 AM
No, Charis is brand new and this is her first (but hopefully not last) appearance.
I'm really amazed that people aren't enjoying this character/series. I agree it's not as compeling as WC 3.0 (until they went a blazin' on the coda hunt). But the dual-story, plus the additional back history of the Kheribum/Daemonite war has made this for a very compelling read.
aukevin
01-05-2006, 09:36 AM
I'm really amazed that people aren't enjoying this character/series. I agree it's not as compeling as WC 3.0 (until they went a blazin' on the coda hunt). But the dual-story, plus the additional back history of the Kheribum/Daemonite war has made this for a very compelling read.
I'm enjoying it. It's one of my most anticipated comics each month. :)
Antonio B.
01-05-2006, 10:49 PM
I'm enjoying it. It's one of my most anticipated comics each month. :)
Most anticipated comics at the moment:
Majestic
Captain Atom: Armageddon
Wildcats: Nemesis
Superman
Here is a preview of issue 5. However the text on the first two pages are almost illegible. I had to copy and paste it to word then enlarge it in order to read. It looks like we're going to see when/how she and Majestros became lovers.
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0601/05/dcfirsts.htm
aukevin
01-07-2006, 01:35 PM
Most anticipated comics at the moment:
Majestic
Captain Atom: Armageddon
Wildcats: Nemesis
Superman
That's the same list as I have, except I've been enjoying Adventures of Supes more than just Superman. Although I have been loving Benes's in Superman.
:)
skullduggery
01-09-2006, 10:59 PM
I've been through just about all the incarnations of Wildcats at some point or other.
Started with the original and stuck around there for some 30+ issues before I finally jumped ship.
I don't recall if I started fresh with the beginning of version 2.0 or if I waited a bit. Seems that Travis Charest was part of the attraction for my return though (if memory serves).
I was actually getting pretty close to dropping out of version 2.0 when they brought that to a screeching halt to launch version 3.0 (fortunately Joe Casey didn't go anywhere).
Version 3.0 was definitely the bellringer (at least up until they announced cancellation and Casey had to rush to tie everything up in a neat package). Just a great series all around with all the political ramifications involved with Marlowe's/Halo's emergence as a power player. If you can find the two TPBs reprinting the early part of version 3.0, you would be doing yourself an immense favor by reading them).
When Wildcats: Nemesis was announced, I had absolutely no intention of picking it up. I was still disappointed about the way things ended with version 3.0 (and I really didn't want to read someone else's take on the thing since Casey was really hitting it on all cyclinders). But when the first issue hit the stands, I decided to thumb through it (since some of the preview art I had seen looked fairly decent). Caldwell's art hooked me in, but the story has kept me coming back.
I'm not going to put this on par with Casey's version 3.0 (because they are completely different entities), but I'm really enjoying this series. It is great to have Grifter and Zealot back in some form, and I'm also finding Charis to be an intriguing character (and certainly a welcome addition to the Wildcat universe).
I don't know where I stand on the relaunch with Morrison and Lee. Guess I'll just have to wait and see exactly what direction they are planning to take and what the makeup of the team will be.
pennywisdom
01-10-2006, 12:37 AM
Good points. It's cool you like Nemesis. For more info on the Morrison/Lee relaunch, check the new issue of Wizard (no. 172), or the thread started by Strannik.
A question to anyone who knows: How do you pronounce the name "Charis"?
I guess the pronunciation is phonetic. 'Cha-ris'.
Issue #5, another filler issue. However it did provide one of the recuring themes of this book, Charis' unwillingness to take life even when it comes to the greater good. It makes me wonder if it's something that Morrison just threw out there or whether or not it will come to play near the end. I actually found the portion where Charis reminisces about D'Artagnan a bit funny. For those of you who who don't know, D'Artagnan is the main character in Alexandre Dumas' "Three Musketeers".
skullduggery
02-08-2006, 12:29 PM
I actually found the portion where Charis reminisces about D'Artagnan a bit funny. For those of you who who don't know, D'Artagnan is the main character in Alexandre Dumas' "Three Musketeers".
I thought that section was rather entertaining myself.
It would be interesting to see if there are similar occassions littered throughout history marked by Charis' presence.
Depending on the outcome of this particular miniseries, I wouldn't mind seeing Charis popping up in another miniseries that perhaps covers more of her history.
Well after nine long months. The story is at an end-which I found to be rather predictable. We all knew that Charis was going to kill Raven.
In all the story could have been wrapped up in 6 issues. The in between stories of Charis' time on earth 'searching for revenge' was a waste and un-necessary.
The stuff on Khera was really cool. Especially in issues 8 & 9. I wasn't certain if Morrison was going to address the history behind Charis and Majestic's relationship or even how Charis got into the Coda.
I really have to commend Morrison for his portrayal of Zealot. Yes while she was as arrogant and imperial as ever. She did have a heart and I liked the way she treated the little girl. Shows that while the Coda (as evidenced between both Zealot and Charis) are warriors they are still women with maternal instincts. I liked the fact that while Morrison got the fact that Zealot is a bitch he didn't go over the top and portray her as a raving cow suffering from PMS.
At the end of it all, I have to say that I really like Charis. She's a lot like (the Rucka/Dixon) Huntress. She's like Huntress with a sense of humour. I like the way she hides her smarts and determination behind her wit. And the same way that I would like to praise Morrison for not going over the top in his portrayal of Zealot. I would like to say the same thing for his portrayal of Charis. You could tell that she was hidding alot behind her wit. Both characters were very nuanced. Very rellatable.
In all I would give the story a B or a B+. I'm docking several points because it was unecessarily drawn out.
Hellcow
06-26-2006, 12:51 AM
I'm really amazed that people aren't enjoying this character/series. I agree it's not as compeling as WC 3.0 (until they went a blazin' on the coda hunt). But the dual-story, plus the additional back history of the Kheribum/Daemonite war has made this for a very compelling read.
Guess I'm late to this party, but better late than...
Anyway, a lot of the art work was good, but what I didn't enjoy was how derivative the writing felt. There were so many scenes, where it was obvious what movie the idea had been lifted from. By the end of it, the main thing I had learn't was that the writer and I have seen a lot of the same movies. I don't like it when its that obvious because it just takes you out of the story.
Anyone want to buy the whole 9 issues?
Sean Walsh
06-27-2006, 04:06 PM
Is this series accessible to someone who's not really familiar with the Wildstorm folks?
I read the post CATS series by Joe Casey, but don't remember them horribly well. And I survived Captain Atom: Armageddon (thanks to a bit better knowledge of The Authority and just having read Majestic), if that helps...
Is this series accessible to someone who's not really familiar with the Wildstorm folks?
I read the post CATS series by Joe Casey, but don't remember them horribly well. And I survived Captain Atom: Armageddon (thanks to a bit better knowledge of The Authority and just having read Majestic), if that helps...
I would say so. Morrison more or less skims the history in the story as well as enhancing it a little. Also the stories are a bit more character driven. It's one of those books you appreciate more if you know the characters already. That being said Charis and Raven are both new. So are the 'Bladesmen'.
aukevin
06-27-2006, 08:23 PM
yeah, you'll be alright. You'll miss out on Maul, Voodoo, and Warblade in this series if you don't read any old Wildcats stories since they aren't in this one much. They weren't much in Casey's stuff either though...
I really liked this storyline especially the art from the flashbacks.
Nemesis' story was very cool.
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