Is anyone still reading Nightwing?

[Sharcque]

I dropped it several months back, at eh beginning of the current arc. Is it any good? I love Nightwing, but the writing on the book just wasn't for me. Is he "Nightwing" again yet? Or still the mob guy? Or what? Why was he working for the mob?

[Corsair]

He's still doing the Donnie Brasco thing. Devin's even lifting dialogue from the film now, it's really pathetic.

That said, this last issue (#112) was actually halfway decent. Some good interplay between Deathstroke and Nightwing that leads to Dick taking on Ravager as a pupil. Ravager continues to be a spooky little psycho daddy's girl, which is great.

[JuanD]

i've been here since before ms. grayson jumped on board.
I gotta say I liked it up until dixon's year one ended. (somewhere around issue 106)
but now im just sticking around to see how she is going to end this mess.
bring dick back from that nasty hole she plunged him into.


bad devin! BAD!!!

[mohammedali]

I've been reading Nightwing lately, partly because of the Mafia thing. I thought it was an interesting twist. With Dick now being a rougue as well I think it could all get quite interesting. I'm sticking around to see how this develops and if it ties into IC.

Mohammed Ali

[Leon Thomas]

Still reading. I hope we get to the conclusion of this mob story because it isn't working for me. I do like Deathstroke getting involved, though. Interested to see where this goes with the Villains United tie-in next week.

Side note: Does anyone know when Devin is leaving the book?

[The Shadow]

Still reading too

I have Nightwing from issue 1... I'm not gonna ruin a run because I don't like a particular story.

I liked the last issue too.

[The Mirrorball Man]

I have Nightwing from issue 1... I'm not gonna ruin a run because I don't like a particular story.
Really? Why not?

[DLH1970]

I've still been reading what's been going on, but I haven't been buying it. Devin's Nightwing just drags on and on without any resolution. Hopefully things will get more interesting the closer we get to IC.

[The Shadow]

Really? Why not?
Because it ALWAYS gets better.

If I quit half way through a story I would miss the end and it could have been the best ending in Nightwing's history. And I get over 40 titles a month so I just read Nightwing first... when the story improves it falls lower on my reading list. It's only a few dollars a month anyway.

[orrewhat]

From around 106 to 110 I didn't care much for Nightwing new story.
I would love to see Nightwing as a rogue. I wish he would stay bad and fight with Deathstroke but, that will never happen :(

[Alan2099]

Because it ALWAYS gets better.

If I quit half way through a story I would miss the end and it could have been the best ending in Nightwing's history. And I get over 40 titles a month so I just read Nightwing first... when the story improves it falls lower on my reading list. It's only a few dollars a month anyway.
So why not quit until it gets better? Why buy comics you don't like?

[The Shadow]

So why not quit until it gets better? Why buy comics you don't like?
A comic isn't all about the story... while I may not be thrilled with the story I do like Hester's art and comics are also a visual medium so I can tolerate a mediocre story if the art is decent. If both were bad I would consider dropping it... but the story isn't the worst thing ever and (though Nighting is usually the first comic I read...) I like the art a lot so I can live with it.

[dougiemccoy]

Still reading it in hopes that it will get better soon...
like the Hester's art but i hoping soon Devin will be leaving soon...

and yes if things don't get better soon i'am droping it.

[DouglasDanger]

Devin needs to get the hell away from Nightwing. She is awful.

[Sean Whitmore]

I had succesfully forced myself to drop Nightwing (for a grand total of two stinkin' issues) before being drawn back in by Deathstroke's appearance and the promise of an Infinite Crisis tie-in.

Now I feel cheap and dirty.


SEAN

[Guts/Batman]

I still read it as well...

[The Shadow]

Still reading it in hopes that it will get better soon...
Comics are a mix of art and story... ideally you want them both to be great (like Birds of Prey with Simone and Benes) but I'm willing to have a Simone written comic with less than stellar art (and don't get me wrong... I like Bennett) and will also deal with the reverse... great art and an OK story

[The Wayner]

I'm still aboard. As mentioned, it's only costs a few bucks and is rather interesting. I can dig it.

[colossus34]

I admit, I'm still reading Nightwing, although I'm counting the days till Devin leaves the Book! Dick needs some great writer to step on board(ala Frank Miller) and bring some needed energy and edge to the stories. And we need to see Dick kick some real ass!

[The Shadow]

I admit, I'm still reading Nightwing, although I'm counting the days till Devin leaves the Book! Dick needs some great writer to step on board(ala Frank Miller) and bring some needed energy and edge to the stories. And we need to see Dick kick some real ass!Yeah I wouldn't mind a writer change now.

How long has Devin been on the book?

[Bloopinator]

I don't like the current storyline but I'm a Nightwing fan and I'm hoping it'll get better

[Captain Jim]

I'm still hanging around too. I dropped it once during the early days of Devin's first (pre-Year One) run, but was intrigued enough by the current storyline to give it a try. It's had some good story moments, but I'm very unhappy with Devin's take on the title character.

However, as others have mentioned, the art is very good. Personally, I like Hester here even better than on GA; I think he's very appropriate for the character.

The main reason I'm hanging around is to see the resolution of the storyline and because it's been hinted that Grayson will be leaving, I'm guessing about the time of the "one year later" reboot.

[Lord Grog]

I'm guessing that next year's "one year later" is going to be DC's springboard for fans to get into new books they haven't previously read. Not to say that past continuity will be jettisoned (who knows?), but that the jump will be a lure to new readers that got on board with IC.

I suppose that is slightly off topic, but my point, I guess, is that I like Nightwing, I've never gotten it before, but I am hoping something like what I mentioned happens and I am planning on picking it up (if it still exists!!!!).

LG

[The Shadow]

However, as others have mentioned, the art is very good. Personally, I like Hester here even better than on GA; I think he's very appropriate for the character.
I hated his GA run but have really liked his Nightwing stuff.

The main reason I'm hanging around is to see the resolution of the storyline and because it's been hinted that Grayson will be leaving, I'm guessing about the time of the "one year later" reboot.
Any ideas who's taking over??

[Dennis K]

Still read Nightwing? I just "discovered" it for myself about 6 months ago, and love it.

[Sharcque]

Because it ALWAYS gets better.

If I quit half way through a story I would miss the end and it could have been the best ending in Nightwing's history. And I get over 40 titles a month so I just read Nightwing first... when the story improves it falls lower on my reading list. It's only a few dollars a month anyway.
That will be when Devn is off the book. :D

[The Shadow]

That will be when Devn is off the book. :D
LOL

You reading it Sharcque?

[Guts/Batman]

I just started getting to book.

While I'm not a fan of the plotline I am very much interested to see how this arc finishes up.

I'm interested to just how close to that he gets before coming back.

[Arkham Resident]

i started buying it, only because of Deathstroke.Decent story so far.
I'm not down with the art, though.

also, i think the current arc may be a significant factor in the coming IC.

[The Xenos]

He's still doing the Donnie Brasco thing. Devin's even lifting dialogue from the film now, it's really pathetic.


Wow... that is really really lame. What lines were lifted?

Man, I used to love Devin's work and this book. I thought this was gonna be a great match, but it's gone from just ok to really terrible, but I think it's now back to just ok again. Not that it's getting good really, but I can live with it and it's not sickening me like a few lame issues did.

I've been a fan of Dick Grayson since I was a kid wathcing that goofy 60s TV show (as reruns in the 80s). I've been getting the Nightwing book since year one and still have McDaniel's cover to #2 as a poster in my room. I just can't drop this book. Though I think I missed an issue when my small shop sold out before I got back from college, so I'm like two or three issues behind now even with getting the latest one.

-Xenos

[Sharcque]

LOL

You reading it Sharcque?

Not anymore (I started the thread). I have 1 - 108, then I stopped.

[Oracle_0128]

Put me down as one of the people that dropped this book as well. Issue #93 was pretty much the breaking point. Though I did read through the whole Nightwing being a doormat to Tarantula storyline. Painful stuff.

I'll be the first to buy 5 copies of this book when it gets a new writer to show my support. Until then, I'll read the book in the store. Sorry Phil and Ande! I really do enjoy your work. It's Devin Grayson that I am boycotting.

[Sharcque]

Hey! Let's start arguing about the "rape" now!!!! :p

Mods, I'm just kidding! :D

[colossus34]

Hey! Let's start arguing about the "rape" now!!!! :p

Mods, I'm just kidding! :D


Don't even get me started that was sooooo freakin bizzare!

[Corsair]

Wow... that is really really lame. What lines were lifted?
The one that jumped out at me was "I'm not undercover with the bad guys...I am the bad guys!" In Donnie Brasco it was "I'm not becoming like them...I am them."

There was a bit of "Fugeddaboutit" a couple of issues ago. I took that as more of an homage type thing, acknowledging that, yeah this is Donnie Brasco. The "I am them" thing, though, just seems more like lack of creativity to me.

Don't know if there have been any other instances. It's been a while since I watched the movie.

[Harry]

I'm still reading, but it's getting more and more tedious. I don't find the idea of the arc as offensive as some people do, but it's been dragging on waaaay too long. I may be dropping it soon.

[Tadhg]

I'm still hanging around too. I dropped it once during the early days of Devin's first (pre-Year One) run, but was intrigued enough by the current storyline to give it a try. It's had some good story moments, but I'm very unhappy with Devin's take on the title character.

However, as others have mentioned, the art is very good. Personally, I like Hester here even better than on GA; I think he's very appropriate for the character.

The main reason I'm hanging around is to see the resolution of the storyline and because it's been hinted that Grayson will be leaving, I'm guessing about the time of the "one year later" reboot.

I'm just hoping Hester will still be on the book if/when Grayson leaves. I have always loved Hester, but can't bring myself to start buying Nightwing again.

[Zylly's Dad]

I dropped it several months back, at eh beginning of the current arc. Is it any good? I love Nightwing, but the writing on the book just wasn't for me. Is he "Nightwing" again yet? Or still the mob guy? Or what? Why was he working for the mob?

We just droped Nightwing. I really wanted Grayson to do great things with this book. For a while she did. I hoped for stories that show case how much alike and how different Batman and Nightwing were. I think the extra bat-books should reflect upon each other, not be so seperate that there is no reason to be bat-books at all. In my thougts there is no reason for them to exist with out a heavy connection to Batman. To me they should help define him and him them

[The Shadow]

I don't find the idea of the arc as offensive as some people do, but it's been dragging on waaaay too long.
I know what you mean... it should end SOON!!!!

[Guts/Batman]

I know what you mean... it should end SOON!!!!

I believe it end in a few issues. Though I haven't seen the solicits for January...

[kkraven]

The book is an utter mess. I still don't get why people who hate the book still buy it so they have the entire run. Why? Why?

[Guts/Batman]

The book is an utter mess. I still don't get why people who hate the book still buy it so they have the entire run. Why? Why?

Merely because some here are completists.

That is the reason why people (like Shadow who has shown utter disdain for Winicks run) are still getting Batman. He doesn't want to end his 22 year run on the book because of one bad storyline.

[knightsintights]

Man I am dissapointed in this series. For one I loved Devin Grayson on her Gotham Knights run. At one point she was my favorite writer. I was lookin gforward for her take on Nightwing. But since her first Issue back in the Nightwing 80s, it seems to me like she doesnt really know who Dick Grayson really is, The whole Blockbuster thing, Marrying that easily forgotten Spider-chick, what was her name? who cares,. Her stories jsut dont really go with Nightwing.

Then Year One was great

Now hes a villian? wtf? how? why? cause hes depressed? stupid. I cant wait till Shes off this run, lets have Judd Winick take over.

[mohammedali]

Not anymore (I started the thread). I have 1 - 108, then I stopped.
Dude, how can you stop reading at 108. That's just when it starts getting interesting again IMHO. Plus, with Nightwing being a bad guy now, I'm expecting some interesting twist in IC. I'm holding on for some crazy stuff to happen.

Mohammed Ali

[Sharcque]

Dude, how can you stop reading at 108. That's just when it starts getting interesting again IMHO. Plus, with Nightwing being a bad guy now, I'm expecting some interesting twist in IC. I'm holding on for some crazy stuff to happen.

Mohammed Ali
I understand what you're saying, but I waited on Devin to deliver before, and it was a very long, never-ending wait that never delivered. Fool me once....well, you know the rest. Reading comics shouldn't be as frustrating as this.

[mohammedali]

I understand what you're saying, but I waited on Devin to deliver before, and it was a very long, never-ending wait that never delivered. Fool me once....well, you know the rest. Reading comics shouldn't be as frustrating as this.
True. Only thing I'm going to say is I think Nightwings changing sides has something to do with Crisis. I'm expecting him to retire from the costume as a result of either choice or concequence. Don't be suprised if you see Tim taking up the mantle either.

Mohammed Ali

[The Shadow]

That is the reason why people (like Shadow who has shown utter disdain for Winicks run) are still getting Batman. He doesn't want to end his 22 year run on the book because of one bad storyline.
Bang on. I read it first and then forget about it. It will get better and Winnick will be gone (hopefully SOON) and my run will have a glitch that wasn't really enjoyed.

If all I've shown is utter disdain for Winnick's run... I must not be getting my message out clearly enough! LOL :D

[Guts/Batman]

Bang on. I read it first and then forget about it. It will get better and Winnick will be gone (hopefully SOON) and my run will have a glitch that wasn't really enjoyed.

If all I've shown is utter disdain for Winnick's run... I must not be getting my message out clearly enough! LOL :D

Agreed completely on Winick's run on Batman.

Heh. Utter disdain was a light way of putting it, eh?;)

I don't have a 22 year run going but I wanna see where this goes. See how screwed up Batman's life becomes. Kinda like a morbid fascination...

[The Shadow]

See how screwed up Batman's life becomes. Kinda like a morbid fascination...
To me Winnick's run is like a car accident... I just can't... look... away...

[Captain Jim]

I'm enjoying Winnick's run on Batman (the best bat-title, currently), but I still don't think he'd be my pick for a new Nightwing writer. I think Geoff Johns said recently he'd be interested; I wouldn't mind seeing that.

It's certainly possible that this current storyline will tie-in with Crisis in some way. I don't really expect to see it finish before the "one year later" reboot, however.

[Guts/Batman]

I'm enjoying Winnick's run on Batman (the best bat-title, currently), but I still don't think he'd be my pick for a new Nightwing writer. I think Geoff Johns said recently he'd be interested; I wouldn't mind seeing that.

It's certainly possible that this current storyline will tie-in with Crisis in some way. I don't really expect to see it finish before the "one year later" reboot, however.

I like Winick's Nightwing in Outsider's more than I like Grayson's Nightwing myself.

It would be interesting to see Johns take on Nightwing.

[Leon Thomas]

The latest Nightwing is actually pretty good. Maybe if Devin is really leaving, she'll end on a good note.

[DouglasDanger]

Johns will probably put Nightwing back in the disco costume. He has a big Silver Age thing going on.

[Dennis K]

I was VERY disappointed with the artwork in this month's Nightwing.

[Captain Jim]

Definitely a drop in quality from the usual artist.

[Dennis K]

Definitely a drop in quality from the usual artist.

Please tell me it was a one issue thing and not a permanent change.

[Nick Kal]

I kind of want the story to get to what he is in Crisis now...

[Captain Jim]

Please tell me it was a one issue thing and not a permanent change.


Shucks, that's easy.

It was a one issue thing and not a permanent change.

Hester is scheduled to be back next month. :)

[Dennis K]

Shucks, that's easy.

It was a one issue thing and not a permanent change.

Hester is scheduled to be back next month. :)


That's good news. Nightwing stays on my subscription list. Thanks.

[Thrice]

Nightwing is still worth it. Devin Grayson is doing an excellent job at exploring some important issues in Dicks life and is telling a riveting story. Of course it does not have explosion on every page so alot of readers are going to not like it.

[Guts/Batman]

Nightwing is still worth it. Devin Grayson is doing an excellent job at exploring some important issues in Dicks life and is telling a riveting story. Of course it does not have explosion on every page so alot of readers are going to not like it.

You think that readers read comic books for explosions?

I can only speak for myself, but I think that is completely wrong.

It would also help readers if all the writers of Nightwing got together and told us where all his recent appearances fit in with eachother and current DC continuity.

[SdotCopp]

thank god johns completely ignored graysen's arc in nightwing for infinite crisis

[Nick Kal]

thank god johns completely ignored graysen's arc in nightwing for infinite crisis

Are you serious? The arc is taking place before IC #1... hopefully.

[Guts/Batman]

Are you serious? The arc is taking place before IC #1... hopefully.

Which is why they need to get together and tell readers where stuff fits together.

[Nick Kal]

It'll hopefully be clear by the time Crisis ends...

[Guts/Batman]

It'll hopefully be clear by the time Crisis ends...

I think they need to clear that up now or very soon.

[Lester C.]

thank god johns completely ignored graysen's arc in nightwing for infinite crisis

It not just Johns but rather all of DCU that ignoring Grayson’s Nightwing which is a shame because I’m a recent convert of Devin’s. Think about it her Nightwing and Winick’s Nightwing have always been different. Add that to the fact that Nightwing in the pages on the recent Donna Troy mini was a throw back to the Wolfman era one could argue that there are at least three or four versions of the character running around in the DCU.

[Guts/Batman]

That would be my argument....

Like I have said in other threads, if they didn't have the same name, you would say they are a different character...

[Thrice]

I could only guess how the current nightwing arc and identity crisis fit together, but Devin Grayson current arc is telling a story of man who lost the only family he had and then seemed to regain a family. Bruce, Tim, Barbara etc. He then thinks that Bruce does not give a damm about anyone. He only cares about his mission. Wheather this is true or not can be debated. So he is hurt once again the family he thought he had was yanked away and boom he goes undercover for the mob and finds this mob family to be relatively healthy. You got the mother the father the daughter etc. Aside from the originize crime bit it is what he always wanted. He then starts walking a tightrope with his morals. He wants to be accepted into this family but at what cost. THis could all come to a head in Identity crisis. It seems obvious Batman/Bruce is going to need some big time help. So were does his loyalty lie. Could be intreasting.

[Private America]

Now hes a villian? wtf? how? why? cause hes depressed? stupid. I cant wait till Shes off this run, lets have Judd Winick take over.

Not Winick! NOOOOOO

Johns or Rucka or Waid or Simone...but not Winick!!!!!!!!!

[The Shadow]

Not Winick! NOOOOOO

Johns or Rucka or Waid or Simone...but not Winick!!!!!!!!!
Let me add my "NOOOooooOOOooOOOoOOOooooOOOOOOooooo... NOT WINNICK" to Private America's!

[Nick Kal]

I think they need to clear that up now or very soon.

Okay, let's tell the writers to do it!

[Guts/Batman]

Okay, let's tell the writers to do it!

I would if I could, believe me.

If they were members of this forum, I would ask them politely to tell us where his recent showings fit together. II don't feel like joining a new board for that express purpose...

[Guts/Batman]

Let me add my "NOOOooooOOOooOOOoOOOooooOOOOOOooooo... NOT WINNICK" to Private America's!

And I'll add my "Noooooooooooooooooooooooo... NOT WINICK" to Shadow's!

[Murrocko]

Does DC know that most of the fans hate Devins run on Nightwing thus far?

[Nick Kal]

I would if I could, believe me.

If they were members of this forum, I would ask them politely to tell us where his recent showings fit together. II don't feel like joining a new board for that express purpose...

They would not care... they'd tell you to wait and it'll be made clear. So I'll do it for them...

Wait and it'll be made clear. Look at what Johns said when people asked about Hawkman's continuity. Read Hawkman #46.

[Tadhg]

Does DC know that most of the fans hate Devins run on Nightwing thus far?

To be honest, I doubt they care very much, as long people are buying it. And people do continue to buy it.

[Justin D.]

What's strange is that I really like the current story in Nightwing while everyone else is complaining about it. I know others who feel the same way. Hester, Parks, and a new direction with issue 109 were the reasons I picked it up. Those, plus the story are the reasons I keep picking it up. Cop going undercover as a bad guy and then having qualms about it did not originate with Donnie Brasco. It's a concept that's been around a while now. I'm not familar with the Nightwing stories Devin wrote before the last five issues, but I just know I've liked what I've read so far. Nightwing's trying to walk a delicate line without trying to tip one way or the other for different reasons.

I do wish other stories he appears in would synch up with his own book. It doesn't make sense for him to go through what he's going through in his book while none, or little, of that is reflected elsewhere. Birds of Prey is about the only book I know of that's shown Dick in his current position.

Hell, I'm even okay with the costume change even if it's very likely a short-lived change. Also, to any of those that wonder how this will be affected by IC or One Year Later, you have to remember that One Year Later isn't scheduled to happen for another four to five months. That'll make this roughly a 10-month long storyline and that seems like more than enough time.

To answer the question in the first post, I'm reading and enjoying Nightwing.

[mohammedali]

I agree with JD. The only problem I have with the current arc is that it's not being used anywhere else. I don't think it was actually used in BoP either - though we did see a BoP in Nightwing a few issues back - perhaps that's what you were refering to.

Mohammed Ali

[Sharcque]

I just can't stand the depressed Dick Grayson that Devin writes. In all her issues, has he ever been happy? Has anything good ever happened to him?

[colossus34]

I just can't stand the depressed Dick Grayson that Devin writes. In all her issues, has he ever been happy? Has anything good ever happened to him?

Exactly, if I want a brooding, depressed crime-fighter I'll pickup the current Batman books. The reason I always enjoyed Nightwing was because although he was dark, he still had this inherent edge of excitement, fun, and daredevil nature. The type of guy who rides a motorcycle, flirts with everygirl (even the villians) and still kicks ass when it counts!

I just don't see that Devin has ever understood that about Nightwing...

[Forefinger]

She hasn't.
I'm giving all the DC titles that I'm currently collecting until after the Crisis to see how they turn out. Unfortunately, Nightwing is one of the first that will go since the quality isn't that good anymore and I consider buying a comic that I'm not enjoying to be a waste of money.