What's wrong with organic webbing?

[Bloopinator]

It's web like a real "Spider-man" should have. Does it really make that much of a difference?

[StoneGold]

Because it's a change.

[Dark Soul # 7]

It's web like a real "Spider-man" should have. Does it really make that much of a difference?Personally I don´t really care about it. But my friends, not Spider-man nerds, think that it takes away aspects of Peter´s scientific mind.

[Bloopinator]

Personally I don´t really care about it. But my friends, not Spider-man nerds, think that it takes away aspects of Peter´s scientific mind.


Just because he doesn't lose time to protect people by making webbing?

[Bloopinator]

Because it's a change.


Do you not like it?

[StoneGold]

Do you not like it?
I'm just stating a fact. Organic webbing doesn't take away from Spidey's scientific genius. Him having organic webbing doesn't change the fact that he created the old stuff. Or the spider-tracers. Hell, since getting the organic webbing, JMS has been playing up the science smarts.



But it's a change, so people don't like it.

[Bloopinator]

I'm just stating a fact. Organic webbing doesn't take away from Spidey's scientific genius. Him having organic webbing doesn't change the fact that he created the old stuff. Or the spider-tracers. Hell, since getting the organic webbing, JMS has been playing up the science smarts.



But it's a change, so people don't like it.

Oh. Well then I pretty much agree with you. It just kinda gets on my nerves that people don't like something so tiny and insignificant.

[Alan2099]

Just because he doesn't lose time to protect people by making webbing?
No. because he's was given something outright instead of having to rely on his own skills and abilites.

Spider-man made the webshooters himself. They were something he worked to create and have been the subjects of many plot points. Now he just has the power to shoot webs. There's no more tinkering with his web shooters, no more struggling to buy web fluid, no more running out in crucial moments.

I think it hurts the character more than it helps. It moves him further away from the everyman hero.

[damngary]

personally, I like the idea better than actual web shooters, it saves time, and no need to refill, or have a another moment of "Oh no, I almost out of web fluid!"

[Bloopinator]

No. because he's was given something outright instead of having to rely on his own skills and abilites.

Spider-man made the webshooters himself. They were something he worked to create and have been the subjects of many plot points. Now he just has the power to shoot webs. There's no more tinkering with his web shooters, no more struggling to buy web fluid, no more running out in crucial moments.

I think it hurts the character more than it helps. It moves him further away from the everyman hero.


But he's Spiderman he should have already have had organic webbing. I never liked when he ran outta web anyway. Made it boring

[Nightcrawler]

It takes away from the 'average joe' angle of Spider-Man's fame when you give him a real power like that.

[Bloopinator]

An average Joe wouldn't have web-shooters

[Simon Garth]

No. because he's was given something outright instead of having to rely on his own skills and abilites.

Spider-man made the webshooters himself. They were something he worked to create and have been the subjects of many plot points. Now he just has the power to shoot webs. There's no more tinkering with his web shooters, no more struggling to buy web fluid, no more running out in crucial moments.

I think it hurts the character more than it helps. It moves him further away from the everyman hero.

I kind of agree with you, but that whole, "hey, I'll invent biodegradeable webbing that can shoot from my wrists, because I am, after all a whizzy high school science nerd" was just ridiculous, as was the conceit that no-one could duplicate it.

[Alan2099]

There's been quite a few people that have duplicated it. Taskmaster comes to mind. Spider-Kid had his own version of it.

Plus it's been part of the character from the get go.

[Dark Soul # 7]

An average Joe wouldn't have web-shooters
But it´s more average joeish to have the problem that you might lose one of your transporting powers because you don´t have enough money than to have said power all the time.

[Bloopinator]

But it´s more average joeish to have the problem that you might lose one of your transporting powers because you don´t have enough money than to have said power all the time.

I still like organic webbing. It kinda makes Spiderman seem cooler

[Alan2099]

I still like organic webbing. It kinda makes Spiderman seem cooler
Mind explaining why?

[Nightcrawler]

An average Joe wouldn't have web-shooters

Not unless he made them.

[StoneGold]

I think it hurts the character more than it helps. It moves him further away from the everyman hero.
As opposed to being able to walk on walls, have a danger sense, lift 10 tons, jump 30' in the air, bang a supermodel wife, etc.


Really, organic webbing seperating him from the everyman is like complaining about being shot with a watergun in a rainstorm.

[Bloopinator]

Mind explaining why?

Cause I think that having Spiderman have Spider powers but not have webbing was dumb. I also never liked when Spidey ran out of web cause I saw it as a pathetic plot device but now he doesn't have to. And organic webbing is just plain cool

[StoneGold]

Not unless he made them.
And an average joe wouldn't gain spider-powers, unless he was bitten by a radioactive spider and didn't just die of cancer. Or got a really bad rash. Really, even if an average joe was bitten by a radioactive spider, the best that's gonna happen is he isn't gonna die.

[Bloopinator]

And an average joe wouldn't gain spider-powers, unless he was bitten by a radioactive spider and didn't just die of cancer. Or got a really bad rash. Really, even if an average joe was bitten by a radioactive spider, the best that's gonna happen is he isn't gonna die.


Hehe he's right.

[The Mirrorball Man]

There's no more tinkering with his web shooters, no more struggling to buy web fluid, no more running out in crucial moments.
In the movies, Spider-Man has organic webshooters, and he did ran out in crucial moments.

[Nightcrawler]

And an average joe wouldn't gain spider-powers, unless he was bitten by a radioactive spider and didn't just die of cancer. Or got a really bad rash. Really, even if an average joe was bitten by a radioactive spider, the best that's gonna happen is he isn't gonna die.

I'm just saying, the rest of his powers could almost be explained as extremely peak human, and great reactions.

[Bloopinator]

I'm just saying, the rest of his powers could almost be explained as extremely peak human, and great reactions.

Batman is extremely peak human and he's only a ringer

[protege]

Say, that reminds me, did anybody ever do anything with peter's ability to talk to spiders?

[Nightcrawler]

Batman is extremely peak human and he's only a ringer

So? I'm saying, wihtou the organic webshooters, Spidey's powers could be desribed as a very physically advanced human.

[Dark Soul # 7]

In the movies, Spider-Man has organic webshooters, and he did ran out in crucial moments.He didn´t run out of it. All his powers, including his webbing, started to malfunction because he really didn´t want to be Spider-man any more. Ok, that´s pretty stupid.

[The Mirrorball Man]

He didn´t run out of it. All his powers, including his webbing, started to malfunction because he really didn´t want to be Spider-man any more. Ok, that´s pretty stupid.
Hmmm, yes, yes, he did run out of it. It happens to most males at some point.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Hmmm, yes, yes, he did run out of it. It happens to most males at some point.Oh well thanks ALOT for that train of thoughts.:evilangry

[The Mirrorball Man]

Oh well thanks ALOT for that train of thoughts.:evilangry
Well, what did you think Sam Raimi was trying to tell us? :D

[StoneGold]

So? I'm saying, wihtou the organic webshooters, Spidey's powers could be desribed as a very physically advanced human.
Who can stick to walls and has a danger sense. We're not talking about Captain America, or even Luke Cage here.

All it really does is take something that was basically a power anyways and now made it officially a power. Whether he has to mix up the formula, or whether he just shoots the stuff out of his arms really doesn't make much of a difference in 99% of the Spider-Man stories in the last decade or so.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Well, what did you think Sam Raimi was trying to tell us? :DYou skould know that I make it habit to threaten people that give me toughts like the ones you have given me now with death. You should also know that I live in Sweden, am 18 years old, am not legally alowed to drive yet and can only guess where on this planet you live. My good sir, you better start running.:evilsmile

[StoneGold]

Well, what did you think Sam Raimi was trying to tell us? :D
Eh, Spidey in the movies was always basically a metaphor for puberty anyways.

[Bloopinator]

Okay guys we're getting off track. Lets get back to the topic

[StoneGold]

You skould know that I make it habit to threaten people that give me toughts like the ones you have given me now with death. You should also know that I live in Sweden, am 18 years old, am not legally alowed to drive yet and can only guess where on this planet you live. My good sir, you better start running.:evilsmile
See, now you're making me want to give you those kind of thoughts, just because I love having idle threats made against me.


Hmmm...


A Golden Girls orgy...

http://www.mortystv.com/showcards/golden_girls.jpg

[The Mirrorball Man]

You skould know that I make it habit to threaten people that give me toughts like the ones you have given me now with death. You should also know that I live in Sweden, am 18 years old, am not legally alowed to drive yet and can only guess where on this planet you live. My good sir, you better start running.:evilsmile
Heh. Bring it on. I already have twelve kids like you lined up in my fridge in the cellar. :evilsmile

[Bloopinator]

See, now you're making me want to give you those kind of thoughts, just because I love having idle threats made against me.


Hmmm...


A Golden Girls orgy...

http://www.mortystv.com/showcards/golden_girls.jpg


BARF!!!! Uggghhhh almost as bad as having Harry Potter and his bird as a couple

[Dark Soul # 7]

Heh. Bring it on. I already have twelve kids like you lined up in my fridge in the cellar. :evilsmileHow nice off you to stock up on snacks for my arrival.:evilsmile

[Dark Soul # 7]

See, now you're making me want to give you those kind of thoughts, just because I love having idle threats made against me.It´s fun making them too.
Hmmm...


A Golden Girls orgy...

http://www.mortystv.com/showcards/golden_girls.jpg
Now you do realise that I won´t be threating you want me to.:p

[creep]

because its gross. think about it, he's fighting crime with his own body fluid.

[Nightcrawler]

Who can stick to walls and has a danger sense. We're not talking about Captain America, or even Luke Cage here.

All it really does is take something that was basically a power anyways and now made it officially a power. Whether he has to mix up the formula, or whether he just shoots the stuff out of his arms really doesn't make much of a difference in 99% of the Spider-Man stories in the last decade or so.

But its the principle of the thing. He was changed to fit the movies.

[StoneGold]

But its the principle of the thing. He was changed to fit the movies.
That's a different argument though. That goes back to my whole original "it's change" thing.

In terms of that, honestly, changing to fit the movie is not always a bad thing. Look at Batman. Before the TV show, Alfred was dead. Look at Superman. Most of the changes Byrne made were inspired in one way or the other by the movie.

[Bloopinator]

because its gross. think about it, he's fighting crime with his own body fluid.


But Spiders do to

[Nightcrawler]

But Spiders do to

SPIDERS FIGHT CRIME WITH THEIR BODY FLUIDS?!?!?!?

[Alan2099]

SPIDERS FIGHT CRIME WITH THEIR BODY FLUIDS?!?!?!?
Yeah. Spider's don't fight crime where you live? While just the other day i watched a spider catcha jaywalker in a huge web and suck all their blood dry.

Exterminators won't even come near where I live.

[YoungG03]

Did he ran out of the artifical stuff and willed himself to shoot webs. Is this a mutation ala Xmen. I mean he has had these powers for a minute now. (Inside comice worlds he had the powers for what 20 years?)

[Petertime]

While it certainly doesn't take his smarts away, making his webbing organic takes away a very visual representation of his love of science.

I don't like it, but its not worth being upset about.

What I don't understand is why there would make this change and then do almost nothing with it. Yes, its been acknowledged, but what purpose did the change serve. What was the story they were trying to tell? Cause as far as I can see, it served no purpose.

Since they've already done it, I'd like to see a story that deals/uses it. Maybe even just an internal struggle where Peter doesn't like them and has to get used to it.

Oh, and I always liked the Dave Micheline story where Peter reworks the webbing to be stronger, and the web shooter isn't able to "cut" the webbing and he has to snap it off by hand. Messed up a fight he was in. That sort of stuff used Peter's science and "bad Parker luck" realy well.

[Nightcrawler]

Did he ran out of the artifical stuff and willed himself to shoot webs. Is this a mutation ala Xmen. I mean he has had these powers for a minute now. (Inside comice worlds he had the powers for what 20 years?)

He turned into a spider, then back to normal, with organic webshooters. Some villian (Queen, maybe) forced his transformation. That's if I remember correctly, as I've tried to forget it. It was in the most recent Spectacular series.

[creep]

Its not a problem with change. I think its getting a bit old, for everytime someone has a crap idea, for that when people call them up on what a crap idea it is, that their immediate defense is to point fingers at their critics and accuse them of being nothing but a bunch of emotionally stunted ingrates, who can't handle anything different. There's good change, and there's bad change, i'm a big fan of the first, not so much of the later. I like to think most people really are capable of thinking for themselves, and can tell the difference, despite what things such as popular music may suggest.

Personally i prefer the mechanical webshooters, just because they seem to make more sense to me. The organic ones don't seem to add anything other being an occasional reminder that all final creative decesions regarding Spider-Man in the end is dictated by those higher up, and somewhat out of touch.

Really though, beyond one or two references made to them, out of the comics i've read in the past year, its never occured to me to think about what kind of webshooters he's using.

[megladon8]

Oh. Well then I pretty much agree with you. It just kinda gets on my nerves that people don't like something so tiny and insignificant.


I call it elitism.

[cable guy]

But he's Spiderman he should have already have had organic webbing. I never liked when he ran outta web anyway. Made it boring

I used to think it was organic, when I was younger. i thought it was odd that he had to make web shooters to begin with. Why did he not have webbing like a spider?, was my thinking.

[jeffb1982]

My big issue is this was somthing they just did to him and they have not done a single issue where they use it in a story. If they were going to do it then use it so people don't forget it even happend. If not then they never should have done it in the first place.

[Zeta]

I like the organic webshooters. The webbing is the most defining aspect of Spiderman, I think, so it was always odd that those powers didn't come along with everything else.

Say, that reminds me, did anybody ever do anything with peter's ability to talk to spiders?

What COULD you do? The most I could see was this:

Pete: "Hey, MJ! Guess what! I can talk to Spiders now."

MJ: "Really? Erm, that's interesting, I guess. I'm sure that will prove . . . useful."

Pete: "Not really. All they talk about is spinning webs, sucking the blood of things, mating, and saving farm-raised piglets."

MJ: "Jesus, that's totally useless."

Pete: "I feel bad about making fun of Aquaman all these years now."

[Kirayoshi]

Y'know there's one drawback with having his body produce webs.

Wouldn't the new webs contain his DNA?

Seriously, if some enterprising cop managed to snag a specimen of his webs and get it to a phorensics lab before it decomposed, the NYPD would be knocking on Peter's door in a minute!

Fodder for future stories maybe?

[Herald of Asgard]

I havn't read a "new" spidey issue in a while (atleast since Bagely was on pencils), but the concept sounds alright to me, I mean, I thought it was a nice change when he had basicly the same thing with the Symbiote Costume.

BTW is Amazing Spidey any good these days? or would I be better suited with Ultimate Spidey, keep In mind I havn't read much since maybe 92, 93?

[Spider-Man]

BTW is Amazing Spidey any good these days? or would I be better suited with Ultimate Spidey, keep In mind I havn't read much since maybe 92, 93?

It's awful, in my opinion. And I've been reading Spidey a long time as well.

I'd say stick with Ultimate Spider-Man. And Marvel Team-Up. Avoid JMS's work on ASM and Hudlin's on MK Spider-Man.

Check out Friendly Neighborhood Spidey, though...

Spidey

[Avalanche]

No. because he's was given something outright instead of having to rely on his own skills and abilites.

Spider-man made the webshooters himself. They were something he worked to create and have been the subjects of many plot points. Now he just has the power to shoot webs. There's no more tinkering with his web shooters, no more struggling to buy web fluid, no more running out in crucial moments.

I think it hurts the character more than it helps. It moves him further away from the everyman hero.
That's exactly why I prefer webshooters rather than organic. It's not that I hate the organic webshooter, but I always loved having that extra element fighting against Pete. Just when you thought things couldn't get worse... there went the fluid in his webshooters.

[Dark Soul # 7]

It's awful, in my opinion. And I've been reading Spidey a long time as well.

I'd say stick with Ultimate Spider-Man. And Marvel Team-Up. Avoid JMS's work on ASM and Hudlin's on MK Spider-Man.

Check out Friendly Neighborhood Spidey, though...

SpideyAnd i say the exact opposite. I think tha JMS is one of the better Spider-man writers in recent years. He understands Peter Parker in a way that most don´t. However I agree that you should avoid Hudlin´s work, unless you want the entire The Other storyline, then you have to get his stuff.

And I don´t read Ultimate Spider-man because I find it boring and I believe that it´s apart of Bendis´s masterplan to take over the entire Marvel Universe and shape it to his own liking. But that´s just me.

[Bloopinator]

I used to think it was organic, when I was younger. i thought it was odd that he had to make web shooters to begin with. Why did he not have webbing like a spider?, was my thinking.


My exact thoughts also

[Nightcrawler]

Y'know there's one drawback with having his body produce webs.

Wouldn't the new webs contain his DNA?

Seriously, if some enterprising cop managed to snag a specimen of his webs and get it to a phorensics lab before it decomposed, the NYPD would be knocking on Peter's door in a minute!

Fodder for future stories maybe?

Maybe the organic webbing disolves faster than the original (1 hour, I think).

[Bloopinator]

Maybe the organic webbing disolves faster than the original (1 hour, I think).


It disolves?

[Dark Soul # 7]

It disolves?Yep, otherwise the entire New york city would be covered with Spidey´s webbing.

[brian2322]

i dont like it because now he cant make electric proof webs or ones that dissolve the rhinos covering

[Charagon]

I used to think it was organic, when I was younger. i thought it was odd that he had to make web shooters to begin with. Why did he not have webbing like a spider?, was my thinking.

When I was a kid I always thought organic webshooters would be more useful, but could never get around the "where the hell would he store them?" aspect of them.

[Dark Soul # 7]

i dont like it because now he can make electric proof webs or ones that dissolve the rhinos coveringWhat´s so bad about that?

[Alan2099]

What´s so bad about that?
It limits his weapons and takes away from the science aspect of him some more.

[Dark Soul # 7]

It limits his weapons and takes away from the science aspect of him some more.Oh, I missunderstood brian. I thought he meant that the old webbing was bad because it was able to do stuff like that.

[DDM]

But Spiders do to

Spiders make their web from their abdomens. Now, if you want to be correct, Spider-Man would basically have to make sure his butt was not covered when he's making his web since it would have to come out his rear end.

[xnef1025]

Spiders make their web from their abdomens. Now, if you want to be correct, Spider-Man would basically have to make sure his butt was not covered when he's making his web since it would have to come out his rear end.

Now I have the image of Peter in a modified Spidey version of Howard Stern's Fartman outfit :p

[DDM]

Now I have the image of Peter in a modified Spidey version of Howard Stern's Fartman outfit :p

Can you imagine Spider-Man trying to aim with his webbing if it came out of his butt?

The only reason the comic book Spidey went to organic webbing is simply due to the film version has organic webbing. Personally, Spidey should have his original webbing created in a lab.

[StoneGold]

I used to think it was organic, when I was younger. i thought it was odd that he had to make web shooters to begin with. Why did he not have webbing like a spider?, was my thinking.

When I was a kid I always thought organic webshooters would be more useful, but could never get around the "where the hell would he store them?" aspect of them.
Really, where the hell would he store non-organic ones? The costume is skin tight, and yet they never bulge. Neither does the belt. Or genitalia, for that matter.

[StoneGold]

Spiders make their web from their abdomens. Now, if you want to be correct, Spider-Man would basically have to make sure his butt was not covered when he's making his web since it would have to come out his rear end.
Yeah, but spiders don't have danger senses either.

[Jake V]

Neither does the belt. Or genitalia, for that matter.
That ones easy. Spidey doesn't have any.

[StoneGold]

Y'know there's one drawback with having his body produce webs.

Wouldn't the new webs contain his DNA?

Seriously, if some enterprising cop managed to snag a specimen of his webs and get it to a phorensics lab before it decomposed, the NYPD would be knocking on Peter's door in a minute!

Fodder for future stories maybe?
DNA tests take a little longer than an hour. That, and it would require Pete's DNA to already be on file, which I'm guessing is probably illegal. Now, if Pete had been arrested for crimes Spider-Man committed, in theory, someone could use the webs as evidence linking Pete to Spider-Man. But there would have to be a reason for his DNA to be obtained.

And for that matter, and I really don't know this, is there useable DNA in something like a stool sample or urine?

[Bloopinator]

I wish I was Spiderman

[brian2322]

Oh, I missunderstood brian. I thought he meant that the old webbing was bad because it was able to do stuff like that.

no i mistyped it sorry

[Kinbote]

I can't say which I like better, mechanized or mutated web. The main story doesn't change no matter which way you go, and in the end that's what matters. I think each have their qualities, good or bad, it just depends on how you look at it.

I remember pondering why Spiderman had to make his own web shooters long ago as a child. I wondered why he got all the other powers of a spider but not the web shooting. Then I thought, oh yea, the web out the butt thing, that's no good, and besides, the shooters were neat, and you need the web to shoot from the hands to swing. Every kid wanted some. Plus it was a defining characteristic of Parkers ingenuity, not just a smart kid, but an inventive one.

Still, there are a couple things that made me think that organic web shooting was better for Spiderman. I kinda resented what seemed to be an exaggerated attempt to write more dramatic suspense during the action. Because it's not like they could have written it so that Spiderman never really ran out. They are fantasy stories, and no one would have questioned it, the answer could be that he can carrry several months supply hidden in the outfit.

When he got his new suite in the Secret Wars, he was out of webbing and his costume was tatterd. Spiderman himself said how he liked how the suite responded to his will, and that he didn't have to worry about web carts anymore. I was still questioning the new look at the time, though it did look cool, but I felt that Spiderman deserved the upgraded costume that had those benefits. The FF after all have super suites that Reed made to meet thier needs. Why not Spidey? At least until the suite turned on him, but still, hehe.

I recall the idea of organic webbing being introduced in Spiderman 2099, and I kinda liked it, it seemed like it made for a more realistic and fluid story. They even show the lumps on his forearms, he really was more like a spiderman mutant monster cause of it. Though I don't remember if he ever ran out of webbing, I don't believe he did, but I could be wrong, I'm still missing a few issues. I did like how he ended up having to use a suite that could withstand the shredding that the hooks on his hands and feet did, hehe.

In either of those cases, the best of both of them to me was that Spidey should have a more technologically advanced suite, one that could possibly provide webbing. Plus, he shouldn't run out of webbing (suite, mech or mutated). Then finally, overall, I think I prefer mutated instead of mechanized for realism of the story. It worked for 2099, just not sure if I was ready to see the Spiderman I knew change in that way, but oh well. It didn't change that much and probably for the better.

[SiliconDream]

And for that matter, and I really don't know this, is there useable DNA in something like a stool sample or urine?
Yep. They've used PCR to amplify the DNA in a 30-year-old urine sample. Heck, students learn to use PCR on saline mouthwash after 10 seconds of swishing. Organic webbing should be loaded with the stuff. I guess you could hope that whatever component makes the webbing degrade over time happens to be particularly vicious at degrading the DNA...

One would hope his DNA isn't on file, since you probably wouldn't have to examine it much to realize he's not baseline human.

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

The organics make even LESS sense than the webshooters, because as it's been said, if Peter was truly mimicing the powers of a spider, the webbing would have to come from a special gland near his freakin' arse instead of his hands.

(But then again, the same could be said for his "spider" sense. I've always wondered wheather Stan mixed up his bug info back then, lol. Spider-Man's powers are more like an insect's, like a fly or an ant, rather than a spider's. But that's another thread altogether)

Also, in special situations, Peter would have to use his smarts to develop special webbing to handle that certain situation. Now he can't do that anymore unless he changes his body chemestry or wears exterior shooters.

The webbing used to be a key aspect for some of Spidey's stories. Now... not so much. So basically, what you've done is removed potential plot points for something that will probably never be mentioned again.

[The Mirrorball Man]

D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite']Also, in special situations, Peter would have to use his smarts to develop special webbing to handle that certain situation. Now he can't do that anymore unless he changes his body chemestry or wears exterior shooters.
And what prevents him from doing that?

The webbing used to be a key aspect for some of Spidey's stories. Now... not so much. So basically, what you've done is removed potential plot points for something that will probably never be mentioned again.
Yeah, it used to be a key aspect for some of Spidey's stories... thirty years ago. The webshooters haven't really been mentioned for years. What Marvel has done is replacing a potential plot point with a different potential plot point. I fail to see the big deal.

[Alan2099]

Still, there are a couple things that made me think that organic web shooting was better for Spiderman. I kinda resented what seemed to be an exaggerated attempt to write more dramatic suspense during the action. Because it's not like they could have written it so that Spiderman never really ran out. They are fantasy stories, and no one would have questioned it, the answer could be that he can carrry several months supply hidden in the outfit.
You could also write him well liked, not harrassed by the Bugle or the cops, and able to take down his enemies with very little effort, however it makes for some lame stories. Forgetting or having to struggle to make the stuff for his webbing is part of the old Parker luck. things go wrong for him. That's about the only thing he can really count on.

The FF after all have super suites that Reed made to meet thier needs. Why not Spidey? At least until the suite turned on him, but still, hehe.
The Fantastic Four are way different kinds of heroes than Spidey is. They typcially have fly machines, teleporters, laser rays, robots, and all sorts of stuff. Spidey typically has to make his tools and clothes with stuff you can find at Wal-mart.

I recall the idea of organic webbing being introduced in Spiderman 2099, and I kinda liked it, it seemed like it made for a more realistic and fluid story. They even show the lumps on his forearms, he really was more like a spiderman mutant monster cause of it. Though I don't remember if he ever ran out of webbing, I don't believe he did, but I could be wrong, I'm still missing a few issues. I did like how he ended up having to use a suite that could withstand the shredding that the hooks on his hands and feet did, hehe.
Completely different character. Different dynamic, visuals, and everything.

[metalhead_dave743]

I think Jeff English said it best.

Organic web-shooters? Insect freakin' telepathy? I'm not even going to get into the organic web-shooters. Marvel for some reason seems to think that the Spider-Man movie and comics have to be the same, which results in this mess. Why Spidey needed organic web-shooters in the movie in the first place, I have no idea. And insect telepathy? Are you serious??? I'm not reading Ant-Man! I just love how they actually had the insect telepathy play a big part in this story, and then just tried to kinda sneak the organic web-shooters in there. It's like Marvel's saying, "The fans will be so mad about the telepathy thing, they won't even notice the web-shooters!"

I can't believe that this happened. It's a disgrace to the character. Spider- Man's worked pretty well for forty years now, but suddenly we need to change this? To me, this is like DC deciding to make Batman blind and give him bat- like sonar powers. It's stupid and pointless. The character is great, and all that this does is make the loyal, long-time fans angry. And I don't imagine that too many new readers are going to be enticed by the fact that Spider-Man can now read the minds of earwigs.

[moebius]

Here's why I like the organic shooters:

Part of Peter Parker's big character arc, the whole 40 years, is that he can hardly make ends meet for himself or his aunt.

Yet here he is, a brilliant inventor and master chemist. Selling the webbing would have tremendous commercial applications and make him and his family comfortably wealthy. But he still can't make ends meet.

And he's good enough to make the webbing, but he can't develop anything else?

It's not tragic or powerful...it's non-sensical.

[Bloopinator]

Guys it's web it's not going to destroy the character it's not going to confuse new readers. Also have you guys realized that when ever fans suggest something or complain and the companies listen it ends up turning out badly you guys complain . When ever they change something most of you guys complain if you guys keep that up they'll probably never listen to you. Have you guys heard of something called change? I think you guys should get used to it. You're always saying that comics should be more realistic (as realistic as comics can get) but when something changes (ex: Organic webbing) like it would change in real life you complain, tsk tsk....

[Dark Soul # 7]

Guys it's web it's not going to destroy the character it's not going to confuse new readers. Heck new readers would probably get confused at the fact that Spiderman didn't have organic webbing after seeing the movies.That´s the problem! The comics shouldn´t be changed to fit the movies just to please some new fans. If they´re confused they can ask somebody who´s read the comic longer than they have or understand that the movies and comics are not the same thing.

[Bloopinator]

That´s the problem! The comics shouldn´t be changed to fit the movies just to please some new fans. If they´re confused they can ask somebody who´s read the comic longer than they have or understand that the movies and comics are not the same thing.


Why do you think people who read it longer should have to carry the burden or telling the new readers that?

[Dark Soul # 7]

Why do you think people who read it longer should have to carry the burden or telling the new readers that?What burden? As far as I can tell comicbook fans/nerds like to tell a genuinly intrested person about the world inside comics. And what burden is there with saying "Spider-man doesn´t have organic webbing in the comics.". It´s just 8 words. How friggin hard is it to say 8 words?

[Bloopinator]

What burden? As far as I can tell comicbook fans/nerds like to tell a genuinly intrested person about the world inside comics. And what burden is there with saying "Spider-man doesn´t have organic webbing in the comics.". It´s just 8 words. How friggin hard is it to say 8 words?

They might get confused and ask alot of questions

[DDM]

They might get confused and ask alot of questions

The current Marvel consistently underestimates their readers' intelligence. I would not even want to think what Marvel thinks of film audience intelligence.

Asking questions is good. That way the person can find out more about the real comic book character than the movie version.

[Bloopinator]

Okay never mind ignore the burden statement yadda yadda.

[Alan2099]

Guys it's web it's not going to destroy the character it's not going to confuse new readers. Heck new readers would probably get confused at the fact that Spiderman didn't have organic webbing after seeing the movies.
How about Green Gobllin and Dr. Octopus still being alive, Norman not having a split personality, Peter being married, Harry being dead, Magneto working with the X-men, Kingpin being white, Man-Thing not being a murderer, Jameson being nowhere in sight, etc etc.

Why change what you've called a minor thing and not change any of the major stuff that would be even more likely to confuse new readers?


You're always saying that comics should be more realistic (as realistic as comics can get)
I'm saying exactly the opposite. I want more costumes do-gooders doing good, more huge alien invaders, more fights, less talking, and alien gorillas from space.

but when something changes (ex: Organic webbing) like it would change in real life you complain, tsk tsk....
Name me ONE TIME in real life when a person has developed web-shooters. :p

[Bloopinator]

Name me ONE TIME in real life when a person has developed web-shooters. :p
Those little toy things that has water and silly string in them :p

[Alan2099]

... okay. I phrased that wrong. I meant the organic kind.

[Bloopinator]

How about Green Gobllin and Dr. Octopus still being alive, Norman not having a split personality, Peter being married, Harry being dead, Magneto working with the X-men, Kingpin being white, Man-Thing not being a murderer, Jameson being nowhere in sight, etc etc.

Why change what you've called a minor thing and not change any of the major stuff that would be even more likely to confuse new readers?

You know what I mean



I'm saying exactly the opposite. I want more costumes do-gooders doing good, more huge alien invaders, more fights, less talking, and alien gorillas from space.

That sounds so Golden and Silver Age

[Bloopinator]

... okay. I phrased that wrong. I meant the organic kind.

Oh, well I wasn't meaning that. I meant the real life process of change

[Alan2099]

You know what I mean
Actually I don't. Why change something the average new reader might not even notcie and not change the things they defintley will notice.

That sounds so Golden and Silver Age
And is there something wrong with that?

[Bloopinator]

Actually I don't. Why change something the average new reader might not even notcie and not change the things they defintley will notice.

Uhhhhhhh *note to self think stuff out*


And is there something wrong with that?

In my opinion yeah

[Charagon]

Yet here he is, a brilliant inventor and master chemist. Selling the webbing would have tremendous commercial applications and make him and his family comfortably wealthy. But he still can't make ends meet.

Yeah, it's a shame nobody ever tried to use that idea 40 years ago!

[Mideon]

Here's why I like the organic shooters:

Part of Peter Parker's big character arc, the whole 40 years, is that he can hardly make ends meet for himself or his aunt.

Yet here he is, a brilliant inventor and master chemist. Selling the webbing would have tremendous commercial applications and make him and his family comfortably wealthy. But he still can't make ends meet.

And he's good enough to make the webbing, but he can't develop anything else?

It's not tragic or powerful...it's non-sensical.

He's tried to sell the webbing, but since it dissolves in an hour it's useless.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Uhhhhhhh *note to self think stuff out*
In my opinion yeahSee you have no real argument here and what´s wrong with the Golden and Silver age.

[moebius]

He's tried to sell the webbing, but since it dissolves in an hour it's useless.

Because a super-strong, super-adhesive liquid applier that's only around for an hour wouldn't be useful in say:

1. Keeping buildings structurally sound enough after an earthquake to rescue survivors.

2. Saving people who need to jump or fall from a building.

3. Containing explosions (ie for use by bomb squads).

etc.

[boolean]

He's tried to sell the webbing, but since it dissolves in an hour it's useless.

To be more precise, he tried to sell it to one person, who couldn't think of any useful applications. I guess Peter became discouraged, and gave up after the first try.

[Mideon]

Because a super-strong, super-adhesive liquid applier that's only around for an hour wouldn't be useful in say:

1. Keeping buildings structurally sound enough after an earthquake to rescue survivors.

2. Saving people who need to jump or fall from a building.

3. Containing explosions (ie for use by bomb squads).

etc.

Wow, you're right. I guess I should have written that story differently back in the day.

[Bloopinator]

See you have no real argument here and what´s wrong with the Golden and Silver age.

I do have an argument. I think the Golden Age had things that were to corny and dated, same for Silver and they had that wretched Batman

[Alan2099]

And the modern age has gotten far to serious and seems to want to forget that it features people in kooky costumes flying around the city with awsome powers and calling each other weird nicknames.

Modern comics are just as bad, if not worse than any of the old corny stuff. At least they could finish a story back then in a single issue without resulting to shock factor.

[Bloopinator]

And the modern age has gotten far to serious and seems to want to forget that it features people in kooky costumes flying around the city with awsome powers and calling each other weird nicknames.

Modern comics are just as bad, if not worse than any of the old corny stuff. At least they could finish a story back then in a single issue without resulting to shock factor.

I actually don't really have any problems with the Golden or Silver age (excpet the corny parts and NANANA BATMAN!) there are good Golden and Silver age comics just like there are good Modern age comics. Did everyone forget about the Bronze age?

[jade_nova]

I think the only problem with his organic webshooters is that Spider-Man might not be able to do impact webbing anymore.

[Bloopinator]

I think the only problem with his organic webshooters is that Spider-Man might not be able to do impact webbing anymore.


Maybe Spiderman can learn how to do it organticlly

[Will.S]

And the modern age has gotten far to serious and seems to want to forget that it features people in kooky costumes flying around the city with awsome powers and calling each other weird nicknames.

Modern comics are just as bad, if not worse than any of the old corny stuff. At least they could finish a story back then in a single issue without resulting to shock factor.
There are plenty "classic" Marvel books out there that have what you describe.

Anyway, I actually like the organic webs although his other "talking to bugs" power wasn't even referenced again. They are merely an aesthetic change.

[Spider-Sense]

Even being a long time spider-fan,i just can't see anything wrong with thr organics.Indeed,I kinda like them:)

[El Santo]

What's wrong with organic webbing? EVERYTHING.

It's a bullshit plot device that Sam Raimi made up because he's a lazy sack of crap with no respect for the character, tone, or details of Spider-Man. Paul Jenkins then had the brilliant idea of bringing it into comics, because he ran out of good ideas, and Spectacular Spider-Man was sucking anyway.

1. It removes all evidence of scientific genius from the character, leaving him as just another "fast, agile hero" with a somewhat nerdy background. He's basically just Daredevil in gay booties now.

2. It removes the strategic element from the character, as he used to have to pace himself on how he used his webbing, or keep extra cartridges stored around rooftops in New York.

3. It dumbs down the book in general now. Again, the fact that some people think that the book is "better" now that he has "real spider powers" proves my point; we're pandering to the lowest common denominator now. And really, if he was supposed to have "all the real powers of a spider", then why isn't he bending over to spin his webs from his ass? That would be more "realistic", right? That's how spiders do it, right? Either the ass, or from his mandibles.

Organic webbing is the crappiest thing Marvel has foisted on Spider-Man since the Clone Saga. Congratulations, you've made Peter Parker into a clone of Daredevil now, with some gay animal powers.

[StoneGold]

What's wrong with organic webbing? EVERYTHING.

It's a bullshit plot device that Sam Raimi made up because he's a lazy sack of crap with no respect for the character, tone, or details of Spider-Man. Paul Jenkins then had the brilliant idea of bringing it into comics, because he ran out of good ideas, and Spectacular Spider-Man was sucking anyway.
So how many ways are you wrong here?

First, it was part of the original James Cameron plot treatment from the early 90s. Second, did you actually watch the Spider-Man movie? The whole point was he got the tone and the character right. Details, not always, but that's what happens when you squeeze a 40year old character into 2 hours.

1. It removes all evidence of scientific genius from the character, leaving him as just another "fast, agile hero" with a somewhat nerdy background. He's basically just Daredevil in gay booties now.
You're right. Spidey's an idiot now. In fact, he always was.

2. It removes the strategic element from the character, as he used to have to pace himself on how he used his webbing, or keep extra cartridges stored around rooftops in New York.
And when in the last, oh, 20 years has this happened?

[Brian Cronin]

Cut it out.

And, for the record, "gay" should not be used as an insult. Don't do that.

-Brian

[Will.S]

What's wrong with organic webbing? EVERYTHING.

It's a bullshit plot device that Sam Raimi made up because he's a lazy sack of crap with no respect for the character, tone, or details of Spider-Man. Paul Jenkins then had the brilliant idea of bringing it into comics, because he ran out of good ideas, and Spectacular Spider-Man was sucking anyway.

1. It removes all evidence of scientific genius from the character, leaving him as just another "fast, agile hero" with a somewhat nerdy background. He's basically just Daredevil in gay booties now.

2. It removes the strategic element from the character, as he used to have to pace himself on how he used his webbing, or keep extra cartridges stored around rooftops in New York.

3. It dumbs down the book in general now. Again, the fact that some people think that the book is "better" now that he has "real spider powers" proves my point; we're pandering to the lowest common denominator now. And really, if he was supposed to have "all the real powers of a spider", then why isn't he bending over to spin his webs from his ass? That would be more "realistic", right? That's how spiders do it, right? Either the ass, or from his mandibles.

Organic webbing is the crappiest thing Marvel has foisted on Spider-Man since the Clone Saga. Congratulations, you've made Peter Parker into a clone of Daredevil now, with some gay animal powers.
I'm curious as to how else JMS has been using Spider-Man when defeating enemies such as Morlun, Charlie Wiederman, Hydra, and Digger.

[El Santo]

JMS has taken great pains to avoid the inevitable dumbing-down, but give it a year, after he's left the book. He'll just be Wolverine without the claws.

[Will.S]

JMS has taken great pains to avoid the inevitable dumbing-down, but give it a year, after he's left the book. He'll just be Wolverine without the claws.
I'm sure he isn't the only writer capable of this and I still don't get your "dumbing down" comment.

I thought the first movie established his smarts nicely when he was telling Harry about the microscope, the spiders, and having Harry go for Pete for help with his homework. While I would have liked to have seen him build the mechanical ones for fun it was cool seeing him figuring out the mechanics of web swinging and shooting.

Spider-Man 2 also built upon Peter's scientific genious with his time with Doctor Octopus.

[Charagon]

First, it was part of the original James Cameron plot treatment from the early 90s. Second, did you actually watch the Spider-Man movie? The whole point was he got the tone and the character right. Details, not always, but that's what happens when you squeeze a 40year old character into 2 hours.

Complete and utter rubbish spoken by somebody who obviously has never read... any Spider-Man book... ever.


At no point in the 40+ years Spidey's been around, did Peter Parker even come close to resembeling the wet noodle that was shown on screen.


If I remember right, in issue #2 of Amazing Spider-Man, Peter's taking some of Flash's crap while silently debating whether or not he should toss a basketball through Flash's face.

Does that sound like the character that was in the movie?

Also note that I don't think there's been a single decade of Spider-Man's existance (real time) that he hasn't had at least three hotties fawning over him, usually all at the same time.

Hell, at one point Betty, Liz, and Mary Jane were all at his home waiting for him.

Does that sound like the guy that was in the movie?

[El Santo]

Helping a rich highschool kid with his homework doesn't make you a genius. It doesn't even make you smart, really. Likewise, knowing what a microscope is, or the rudimentary facts about spiders...any idiot who has read a book could tell you that. He was dumbed down quite a bit. He'was average intelligence at best in the movie.

[Will.S]

At no point in the 40+ years Spidey's been around, did Peter Parker even come close to resembeling the wet noodle that was shown on screen.


If I remember right, in issue #2 of Amazing Spider-Man, Peter's taking some of Flash's crap while silently debating whether or not he should toss a basketball through Flash's face.

Does that sound like the character that was in the movie?

Did Peter not defend himself and kick Flash's ass?

Also note that I don't think there's been a single decade of Spider-Man's existance (real time) that he hasn't had at least three hotties fawning over him, usually all at the same time.

Hell, at one point Betty, Liz, and Mary Jane were all at his home waiting for him.

Does that sound like the guy that was in the movie?
I'd rather be able to sympathize for him and have him work for it than to see him being able to nab every chick on a whim. Besides, he could have had Mary Jane in the first movie so it's not like she didn't like him.

[Charagon]

Below average considering his first instinct when his powers start to fail is to... see his doctor.

[El Santo]

So how many ways are you wrong here?

First, it was part of the original James Cameron plot treatment from the early 90s.

Who cares? It sucked then, it sucked harder when Raimi tried to defend it as being "more realistic", and it sucked more than ever when Jenkins brought it into 616 continuity. Organic webbing is fine for Ultimate Spider-Man; leave the "real" Spider-Man alone.

[Jake V]

Who cares? It sucked then, it sucked harder when Raimi tried to defend it as being "more realistic", and it sucked more than ever when Jenkins brought it into 616 continuity. Organic webbing is fine for Ultimate Spider-Man; leave the "real" Spider-Man alone.
The funny thing is that Ultimate Spidey has mechanical web shooters.

[El Santo]

The funny thing is that Ultimate Spidey has mechanical web shooters.

The irony has not escaped me.

[Will.S]

Helping a rich highschool kid with his homework doesn't make you a genius. It doesn't even make you smart, really. Likewise, knowing what a microscope is, or the rudimentary facts about spiders...any idiot who has read a book could tell you that. He was dumbed down quite a bit. He'was average intelligence at best in the movie.
Sam was establishing that Peter knew the science well. Norman even comments on Peter understanding his work (which yes I know you discounted already).

While the film didn't show him mixing chemicals and making gadgets and whatnot, I still got the impression that he was a bright student. The 2nd film goes more into it with Peter and Curt Conners, and Peter learning and understanding Otto's work but not above his level yet. The part where he stopped the train using it's tensile strength was another nice display of his smarts.

The movie wasn't telling us that that Peter wasn't brilliant but that being Spider-Man took up alot of his studying time and being able to reconcile with Mary Jane.

[El Santo]

Look, I don't care how many times you say it, doing highschool homework does not prove that you know jack about science. It makes you about average for a highschool kid. The movie wanted to make Peter Parker into an awkward, but not intelligent, nerd who turns into a slow-motion ninja while fighting a guy in crappy armor.

As for Spider-Man 2...nothing you've mentioned sounds like anything beyond the limits of your average kid who paid attention in science class. You're proving my point for me here.

[Mr.Musgrave]

You know a lot of high school kids who can read and understand complex scientific journals? Not that you're only seeing what you want to see or anything.

[El Santo]

Actually, I do. Scientific journals aren't actually all that complex; anyone with half a brain and a decent attention span can read and comprehend one, and I was certainly able to do so while I was in highschool.

[moebius]

Who cares? It sucked then, it sucked harder when Raimi tried to defend it as being "more realistic", and it sucked more than ever when Jenkins brought it into 616 continuity. Organic webbing is fine for Ultimate Spider-Man; leave the "real" Spider-Man alone.

Yes, Raimi's Spider-Man sucked...all the way to the bank, and universal critical praise...

[El Santo]

'cause yeah, commercial success and quality are exactly the same thing.

[El Santo]

I'm curious as to how else JMS has been using Spider-Man when defeating enemies such as Morlun, Charlie Wiederman, Hydra, and Digger.

I just wanted to point out that Charlie Wiederman was an incompetent scientist who was so inept that he actually found a way to blow himself up with metal. Have you ever heard of someone blowing themselves up with Vibranium before? No? There's a good reason for that. It takes special kind of dumbass to accomplish it.

That said, what amazing feat of intellect did Peter Parker use to defeat him? Remembering a freaking High School science lesson. Not exactly genius level material here. And I haven't seen him use any intelligence in his activities against Hydra or Morlun. Irradiating yourself isn't exactly a great idea, and his "logic" in doing so was more desperation than brain power. Digger was a one-issue appearance, and again was defeated with high school science. This from a guy who's supposed to have a Master's degree.

[The Mirrorball Man]

'cause yeah, commercial success and quality are exactly the same thing.
No, but universal critical praise and quality usually come hand in hand.

89% of critics liked Spider-Man. (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman/)
93% of critics liked Spider-Man 2. (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman_2/)

And no, this is not typical for a summer popcorn movie. None of these critics seem to mind about the minor alterations done to the character.

[Dark Soul # 7]

I just wanted to point out that Charlie Wiederman was an incompetent scientist who was so inept that he actually found a way to blow himself up with metal. Have you ever heard of someone blowing themselves up with Vibranium before? No? There's a good reason for that. It takes special kind of dumbass to accomplish it.

That said, what amazing feat of intellect did Peter Parker use to defeat him? Remembering a freaking High School science lesson. Not exactly genius level material here. And I haven't seen him use any intelligence in his activities against Hydra or Morlun. Irradiating yourself isn't exactly a great idea, and his "logic" in doing so was more desperation than brain power. Digger was a one-issue appearance, and again was defeated with high school science. This from a guy who's supposed to have a Master's degree.What do you want him to do to prove his intelligence then? Besides, when was the last time that a writer had Peter doing anything incredible with his intelligence.

[psm]

What's wrong with organic webbing? EVERYTHING.

It's a bullshit plot device that Sam Raimi made up because he's a lazy sack of crap with no respect for the character, tone, or details of Spider-Man. Paul Jenkins then had the brilliant idea of bringing it into comics, because he ran out of good ideas, and Spectacular Spider-Man was sucking anyway.

1. It removes all evidence of scientific genius from the character, leaving him as just another "fast, agile hero" with a somewhat nerdy background. He's basically just Daredevil in girlie boots.



You know I've been thinking about your statements for awhile. Honestly, you're right. Removing the mechanical webshooters does make Peter less of a scientific genuis. I just don't think that's a bad thing.

And that's one of the reason why I think Sam Raimi did it. See it doesn't really make sense in the modern context. How can a high school student be so smart to create webbing/webshooters and then never discover or invent anything else. It doesn't make sense as far as the character goes. It's really the only time Peter has ever demonstrated anything bordering on super genius.

So now he has organic webshooters which really make more sense as far as the character is concerned. Not that it changes much (if anything).

[El Santo]

No, but universal critical praise and quality usually come hand in hand.

89% of critics liked Spider-Man. (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman/)
93% of critics liked Spider-Man 2. (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman_2/)

And no, this is not typical for a summer popcorn movie. None of these critics seem to mind about the minor alterations done to the character.

These would be movie critics, right? The same ones that gave such stellar reviews to National Treasure, despite it being a predictable sack of crap? Likewise, few, if any of them, are actually fans of Spider-Man? So what does their opinion mean, really? Nothing.

[El Santo]

You know I've been thinking about your statements for awhile. Honestly, you're right. Removing the mechanical webshooters does make Peter less of a scientific genuis. I just don't think that's a bad thing.

And that's one of the reason why I think Sam Raimi did it. See it doesn't really make sense in the modern context. How can a high school student be so smart to create webbing/webshooters and then never discover or invent anything else. It doesn't make sense as far as the character goes. It's really the only time Peter has ever demonstrated anything bordering on super genius.

So now he has organic webshooters which really make more sense as far as the character is concerned. Not that it changes much (if anything).

Fair enough. You like the dumber Spider-Man. But if that's the case, why not just read Wolverine? There are a million superheroes who fit the "I'm agile and fast, but not very smart" profile. It wasn't necessary to make Spider-Man into yet another one.

[psm]

Fair enough. You like the dumber Spider-Man. But if that's the case, why not just read Wolverine? There are a million superheroes who fit the "I'm agile and fast, but not very smart" profile. It wasn't necessary to make Spider-Man into yet another one.

Hyperbole much? I never said 'not very smart'. He's still has above average intelligence. He's still smarter than 80% of the Marvel Universe. He still wins fights with his brains. I just want him to be what he already is. He's not a super genuis. He never was except for the web shooters. Thats why they were removed from the movie.

[Simon Garth]

Actually, I do. Scientific journals aren't actually all that complex; anyone with half a brain and a decent attention span can read and comprehend one, and I was certainly able to do so while I was in highschool.

What Scientific Journals are you talking about? As a regular browser of Drug Discovery Today for example, I can tell you that that includes some hellishly complex stuff that requires a serious amount of relevant scientific knowledge.

(If you're talking about the likes of Scientific American, then that's not a journal that's a popular science magazine)

[Dark Soul # 7]

Fair enough. You like the dumber Spider-Man. But if that's the case, why not just read Wolverine? There are a million superheroes who fit the "I'm agile and fast, but not very smart" profile. It wasn't necessary to make Spider-Man into yet another one.Dude, when was the last time, besides the webshoters that Spider-man did something that would put him at genius level? And I mean during the whole 40+ years he´s been around. He´s still a smart guy. He solves mysteries without having to beat up people, he uses his brain and the enviorment to win fights he shouldn´t have a chance in. He´s still the same guy as that he´s always been. If you can´t see this then you´re just blind as a bat with it´s eyes gouged out of their sockets.

[bloodyarts]

So now he has organic webshooters which really make more sense as far as the character is concerned. Not that it changes much (if anything).

I guess in a literal sense, it SHOULD make more sense for him to have organic webbing and all, but getting them NOW, 40 years later into the character's history, severely limits the flexibility and uses the mechanical webbing offered, which actually changes alot when you think about it. Is it as strong or stronger/tensile than the faux webbing? How convenient that his new spinnerets (apparently, he gets two sets of six, while other spiders only get one) would be in his hands instead of his abdomen, and wow, it even LOOKS exactly like the fake stuff!

How in the world is he able to biologically produce enough thread to create the amount of webbing necessary to swing through the city? To instantly cocoon a criminal? To create fall cushions, etc.? That's an awful lot of webbing being used there, and it has to be thick as well as lengthy. Better stock up on those protein bars, Petey! No actual spider (outside of Kumonga/Spiga and the eight-legged freaks, but then, they were gigantic) could possibly produce that amount of webbing in the nearly instaneous time it takes for him to spin it. That's why web cartridges and such was a great idea for the character; a mechanical gizmo could produce mass amounts of the stuff in a very short time, while a living creature left to its own devices couldn't.

Maybe if Lee and Ditko established that he could do those things 40 years ago, it'd be much easier to swallow now. I really respect Jenkins as a writer, but he and JMS have made Spidey unreadable to me. I'm sure Avi and Q forced that change on that character after the success of the first movie, so it's not totally his fault. I just hope this particular change somehow gets reversed.

[Mr.Musgrave]

What Scientific Journals are you talking about? As a regular browser of Drug Discovery Today for example, I can tell you that that includes some hellishly complex stuff that requires a serious amount of relevant scientific knowledge.

(If you're talking about the likes of Scientific American, then that's not a journal that's a popular science magazine)


You beat me to it.

[Spider-Sense]

I guess this argument will get nowhere..:)

[Bloopinator]

You know while you guys are spouting off all this scientific knowledge and saying that the webs should come out of his butt. Maybe you could think about this, Once Peter's body began making the organic webbing, don't ya think his body could've adapted to being able to shoot the webbing out of his hands? It's pretty obvious that he couldn't shoot web out of his butt so maybe his body adapted to the webbing coming out of his hands! I saw that someone said that it should take longer to spin his webs or whatever but (I know this is far fetched but..) maybe his body adapted to using his webs faster then spiders. Ever think about that?

[Charagon]

Dude, when was the last time, besides the webshoters that Spider-man did something that would put him at genius level?

Defeating Morlin the way he did.

[StoneGold]

These would be movie critics, right? The same ones that gave such stellar reviews to National Treasure, despite it being a predictable sack of crap? Likewise, few, if any of them, are actually fans of Spider-Man? So what does their opinion mean, really? Nothing.
Try again. National Treasure got a 42% (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/search/movie.php?search=national+treasure&searchby=movies)

[El Santo]

Try again. National Treasure got a 42% (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/search/movie.php?search=national+treasure&searchby=movies)

Because Rotten Tomatoes is the be-all end-all of movie criticism. Give me a break here.

[StoneGold]

First, it was part of the original James Cameron plot treatment from the early 90s. Second, did you actually watch the Spider-Man movie? The whole point was he got the tone and the character right. Details, not always, but that's what happens when you squeeze a 40year old character into 2 hours.

Complete and utter rubbish spoken by somebody who obviously has never read... any Spider-Man book... ever.
Well, obviously you're wrong there...

At no point in the 40+ years Spidey's been around, did Peter Parker even come close to resembeling the wet noodle that was shown on screen.


If I remember right, in issue #2 of Amazing Spider-Man, Peter's taking some of Flash's crap while silently debating whether or not he should toss a basketball through Flash's face.

Does that sound like the character that was in the movie?

Actually, yes. But again, remember the whole thing about the 40 years of history? They compressed from that to the boxing match in one scene.

Also note that I don't think there's been a single decade of Spider-Man's existance (real time) that he hasn't had at least three hotties fawning over him, usually all at the same time.

Hell, at one point Betty, Liz, and Mary Jane were all at his home waiting for him.

Does that sound like the guy that was in the movie?
Wait, you can quote Amazing #2 to show Parker was a wuss, but not to show that he didn't have any trim hanging off his arm? Holy Hypocites, Batman!

Pete didn't get anything close to resembling action until he met Betty, who didn't appear until #4. He didn't have women all over him till JRSR started drawing and turned Pete into more of a heartthrob. And hey, by the second movie, he had at least two women looking to get inside his tights.

[StoneGold]

Because Rotten Tomatoes is the be-all end-all of movie criticism. Give me a break here.
Hey, it was your example, not mine.

[El Santo]

Hyperbole much? I never said 'not very smart'. He's still has above average intelligence. He's still smarter than 80% of the Marvel Universe. He still wins fights with his brains. I just want him to be what he already is. He's not a super genuis. He never was except for the web shooters. Thats why they were removed from the movie.

How exactly is he smarter than 80% of the Marvel Universe? If we're talking about Sam Raimi's "he's just a dumb kid with nerdy passtimes" Spider-Man, I've seen the Punisher use more intelligence than he has. If we're talking about regular Spider-Man, JMS makes some attempts to make him look smart, but really...how is he smarter than just the average guy? At least before, you could say "hey, he invented webbing! leave the guy alone!". Now, what have you got? He's just a guy in a really fruity outfit that shoots white goo out of his body.



And Bloop, what the hell are you talking about? THere is no good reason for him to "naturally" develop spinarettes in his wrists. No spider spins webs from their legs; it's their mandibles or a small area above their ass. That's where Spiderman's "organic" webbing should be coming from, it you want him to have "natural" webbing like a Spider. Otherwise, it's just screwing up the original concept for the sake of pleasing idiots like you.

[El Santo]

Hey, it was your example, not mine.

Tell me dumbass, where I ever mentioned rottentomatoes. It was your example, and it sucked.

[StoneGold]

Otherwise, it's just screwing up the original concept for the sake of pleasing idiots like you.
Ah, such a pleasant person. And as previously stated, spiders have no precog danger sense either. Or molecular adhesion. Hell, for that matter, if a radioactive one bites you, you're lucky not to die of cancer, not gain superhuman powers. So there's no real logic in it, period.

[El Santo]

Well, obviously you're wrong there...
Actually, yes. But again, remember the whole thing about the 40 years of history? They compressed from that to the boxing match in one scene.


It was a wrestling match, genius. Battlin' Jack Murdock was a boxer. See? You're already getting him mixed up with Daredevil's origin, because they've made him so generic you can hardly tell him from any other superhero.

[El Santo]

Ah, such a pleasant person. And as previously stated, spiders have no precog danger sense either. Or molecular adhesion. Hell, for that matter, if a radioactive one bites you, you're lucky not to die of cancer, not gain superhuman powers. So there's no real logic in it, period.

A certain suspension of logic is necessary in fantasy. That said, the main argument I hear for organic webs is that it's more realistic. Well, no it isn't, dumbass. If you wanted to be realistic, he'd be bent over for 75% of the book shooting little silken strands out of his ass.

Likewise, there actually are species of spiders who appear to have a quasi-precog ability (more likely they sense pressure from nearby objects with the hairs on their bodies), and they do stick to walls. In fact, Spiders can even climb up completely smooth surfaces, like glass. Read a book, moron.

[Bloopinator]

A certain suspension of logic is necessary in fantasy. That said, the main argument I hear for organic webs is that it's more realistic. Well, no it isn't, dumbass. If you wanted to be realistic, he'd be bent over for 75% of the book shooting little silken strands out of his ass.

Likewise, there actually are species of spiders who appear to have a quasi-precog ability (more likely they sense pressure from nearby objects with the hairs on their bodies), and they do stick to walls. In fact, Spiders can even climb up completely smooth surfaces, like glass. Read a book, moron.


Why are you being so hostile? Why can't we have a peaceful discussion?

[StoneGold]

It was a wrestling match, genius. Battlin' Jack Murdock was a boxer. See? You're already getting him mixed up with Daredevil's origin, because they've made him so generic you can hardly tell him from any other superhero.
Try again. Amazing Spider-Man #8, Pete and Flash get in a boxing match. See, here they are with gloves on the cover.

http://www.alaph.com/spiderman/pictures/covers/asm008.jpg

[StoneGold]

Likewise, there actually are species of spiders who appear to have a quasi-precog ability (more likely they sense pressure from nearby objects with the hairs on their bodies), and they do stick to walls. In fact, Spiders can even climb up completely smooth surfaces, like glass. Read a book, moron.
But Pete has actual precog, down to being able to tell when someone somewhere has bad feelings towards him, and molecularly bonds with surfaces instead of climbing up them due to low body weight and adhesive limbs. Which is like spiders, but different in subtle ways. Much like... hmmm, what can I think of that would be similiar but different... storing spinerettes in his arms instead of abdomen?

[Bloopinator]

Psst. Read the bottom. I'd rather quit with the insults myself.


YAY!!!!! Lets' PAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRTAAAAAAAAY!!!

[Bloopinator]

Well Smegma, perhaps you should have been more specific about which issue you were referring to.

As for your points about rottentomatoes...no matter how many times you say it, it won't make you right, Mr. Used Tampon.

You people were going on as if the fact that the movie got decent reviews and made some money meant that it was good. Well cumrag, you're wrong. Vertigo is recognized today as an excellent film, but it was panned by critics in its day. Likewise, National Treasure got wonderful reviews from *real* reviewers (that is, ones who work for newspapers), and was a bag of flaming crap.

Now how about you stop licking your own taint and educate yourself?

*shakes head* tsk tsk. You just can't stop with the insults can you?

[El Santo]

But Pete has actual precog, down to being able to tell when someone somewhere has bad feelings towards him, and molecularly bonds with surfaces instead of climbing up them due to low body weight and adhesive limbs. Which is like spiders, but different in subtle ways. Much like... hmmm, what can I think of that would be similiar but different... storing spinerettes in his arms instead of abdomen?

You're comparing minor differences that *look* the same, or are the same in theory, to moving an entire organ from one region of the body to another. It's like if you moved his head and planted it on his left foot.

[El Santo]

*shakes head* tsk tsk. You just can't stop with the insults can you?

Hey, he's the one that took it to new lows. I hadn't called anyone a cumstain.

[StoneGold]

You're comparing minor differences that *look* the same, or are the same in theory, to moving an entire organ from one region of the body to another. It's like if you moved his head and planted it on his left foot.
So moving an organ from the abdomen to the arm is a major difference compared to molecular adhesion being derived from low body weight and being sticky? That's like comparing walking to space flight.

[El Santo]

So moving an organ from the abdomen to the arm is a major difference compared to molecular adhesion being derived from low body weight and being sticky? That's like comparing walking to space flight.

Not really. The general effect of being able to stick to walls is the same. The *effect* of a Spider's spinarettes is not to be able to swing around from tree to tree, or building to building. That's something that Peter decided was a good idea; it was a man-made invention, and has no real relevance to actual spiders. It makes no sense for him to develop organic webbing that would allow him to swing around like that; it has no equivalent inspiration among spiders.

[DDM]

So moving an organ from the abdomen to the arm is a major difference compared to molecular adhesion being derived from low body weight and being sticky? That's like comparing walking to space flight.

The abdomen is where all spiders produce web. Therefore, Peter Parker, in order to be natural, would have to have wear chaps to show his naked butt in order to battle villains. Most spiders are blind & rely on the hairs on their legs to feel the vibrations through the webbing. Spiders also smell through pours on their skin.

Would you like your sex organs on your forehead? That's basically what you're asking. Or would you like your butt on your arms? Nothing is natural about Spider-Man's "natural webbing." It doesn't make sense.

[moebius]

Oh, I think Rotten Tomatoes has a pretty good pulse on which superhero movies were good, and which ones sucked:

Golden:
Superman I: 94%
Spider-Man II: 93%
Spider-Man: 89%
X-Men 2: 87%
Batman Begins: 83%
Superman II: 81%
Batman Returns: 81%
Batman: 80%
X-Men: 80%

The Dogs:
Batman Forever: 50%
Daredevil: 44%
Fantastic Four: 25%
Superman III: 25%
Batman and Robin: 17%
Elektra: 7%
Supergirl: 7%
Superman IV: 5%

In addition, while even a real crap fest can make $100 million nowadays, Spider-Man 2 was the second highest grossing movie of 2004 with $373 million, and the 8th highest all-time in the US.

Sam Raimi boiled Spider-Man down to his essence. He's foremost an average joe who received great powers, and his tremendous guilt forces him to use them responsibility despite the personal cost. He's you or me getting the sh*t kicked out of him everyday in the tights and out. He never gets easy victories, and mostly gets treated as a villain by the press. He's the ultimate underdog.

The whole "teen genius" angle? Always was a distraction. Always ruined the suspension of disbelief. You're a teen genius and you've invented a miracle substance, but you can't keep a job and you don't try (more than once, I guess) to sell it? Please. I'm in acadaemia, Peter Parker's habits aren't even half-way up the scale for weirdness as far as these people go...someone coming in at odd hours with bruises or broken bones would fit right in.

By going with the organic shooters, Raimi cut the implausibility out of the character, while keeping what truly mattered at the front (the underdog soap opera). He's still a smart guy; he's impressed Curt Connors, Otto Octavius and Norman Osborne with his intelligence and work ethic (true, they all go on to be bat sh*t insane). The comic writers were right to take Raimi's lead. Strip out all the Silver Age bullsh*t but don't change the essence fo the character.

If you don't like Raimi's Spider-Man, I can only pity you. Tell me...what is it like to have no taste? Does it hurt?

[moebius]

Would you like your sex organs on your forehead? That's basically what you're asking. Or would you like your butt on your arms? Nothing is natural about Spider-Man's "natural webbing." It doesn't make sense.

Honestly, DDM...do you really think that people care if Spider-Man's powers actually resemble that of a real spider (besides the adhesion and super-strength; those are key)? I have never once heard a comics fan say: "Oh, no, the web's not coming out of his ass...the sense of versimilitude has been completely ruined for me."

If Peter were a "real" Spider analog, he'd have no 6th dimensional danger sense. I don't see anyone complaining about that.

The web-shooters were idiotic 60s super-science. The average fan doesn't care, just the hyper-interested geeks that patrol the boards (myself included). If Lee had made the webbing organic from the start we wouldn't even be having this conversation; this is just people b*tching because comics fans are oddly conservative and can't stand it when Batman's costume goes from blue and grey to black.

[Bloopinator]

Like I said before maybe adaptation helped Peter develup the organtic webbing in his hands instead of his arse

[Charagon]

If Lee had made the webbing organic from the start we would have 40 years of explinactions about how it works and the character would have gone in a completely different direction.


And yes, both Spider-Man movies are pieces of crap. Not just terrible comic adaptations, but terrible movies as a whole. Spider-Man 2 is about a guy with erectile disfunction for !@#$s sake! The only reason it's so critically acclaimed is because the hype surrounding it makes writing a bad review virtual professional suicide.

[moebius]

If Lee had made the webbing organic from the start we would have 40 years of explinactions about how it works and the character would have gone in a completely different direction.

And yes, both Spider-Man movies are pieces of crap. Not just terrible comic adaptations, but terrible movies as a whole.

Yes, I'm sure a minor alteration to the character's powerset from the beginning with no relationship to the core concept (average joe super hero constantly dealing with personal and professional problems) would have completely changed the character's history.

Really.

[Pól Rua]

A certain suspension of logic is necessary in fantasy. That said, the main argument I hear for organic webs is that it's more realistic.

Actually the main argument from Sam Raimi had nothing to do with Peter's intelligence and everything to do with his economical situation. May and Ben Parker are not wealthy. Peter doesn't make a lot of cash.
It's why he ended up using his powers to make big cash at the start, and had to learn his harsh lesson.
The reason Raimi didn't have Peter create his own webbing and webshooters in the film wasn't due to a lack of intelligence but a lack of resources. Chemicals, laboratory equipment and lab time are expensive.

Also, why has everyone smart have to be a genius inventor? I mean Stephen Hawking is an incredible theoretical physicist, but that doesn't make him a competant industrial engineer and metal fabricator.

[Charagon]

Yes, I'm sure a minor alteration to the character's powerset from the beginning with no relationship to the core concept (average joe super hero constantly dealing with personal and professional problems) would have completely changed the character's history.

Really.



Have you ever heard of a little series called "What if..."?

[Mr.Musgrave]

Spider-Man 2 is about a guy with erectile disfunction for !@#$s sake!


You do know that that entire sub-plot was based off of a Spider-Man comic book story written years ago, right? Oh, of course you don't. :rolleyes:

[Charagon]

Of course I do. I also know that at no point in that comic was it ever even mentioned that Peter was having trouble shooting sticky white fluids out of his organs.

[Will.S]

While out dearly departed friend El Santo has been banned, I'm going to reply anyway.

I just wanted to point out that Charlie Wiederman was an incompetent scientist who was so inept that he actually found a way to blow himself up with metal. Have you ever heard of someone blowing themselves up with Vibranium before? No? There's a good reason for that. It takes special kind of dumbass to accomplish it.
Stop me if you've heard this one.

Have you ever heard of someone blowing themselves up and having tentacles fused to their body? Have you ever heard of someone spilling metallic alloy from an organic meteor onto themselves? Have you ever heard of someone gaining electrical powers when caught in a thunderstorm under a power line? Have you ever heard of someone on a beach getting caught in a nuclear fallout and gaining sand powers? Have you ever heard of someone testing chemical formula to give them powers thus making them insane and powerful?

If I haven't driven the point home enough, Charlie's villain origin isn't any more stupid than the ones I've mentioned. All these villains were caught unaware of their errors or misjudgement. Charlie was smart enough to be able to develop such a way to use the vibranium but Peter knew it had too many flaws to make his vibranium skin process unfeasible.

That said, what amazing feat of intellect did Peter Parker use to defeat him? Remembering a freaking High School science lesson. Not exactly genius level material here.
He recalled a basic fundamental fact and applied it to the vibranium metal. Stark even commented on how much of a good idea it was because it left him incapacitated instead of heating him up and killing him. But then again I'm sure high school kids would know all about vibranium right?

And I haven't seen him use any intelligence in his activities against Hydra or Morlun. Irradiating yourself isn't exactly a great idea, and his "logic" in doing so was more desperation than brain power.

Spider-Man's plan still worked. His investigating of Morlun's blood gave him an idea of what he was up against and utilized his scientific knowledge of radiation to damage Morlun's pure form with every hit. In the end it gave Peter the advantage he needed to defeat him. Even in desperation Peter went to the science and bet his life on it.

As far as the Hydra arc goes Spider-Man:

- Knew Hydra had ulterior motives none of the New Avengers suspected due to Hydra usually being seen as "small time"

- Infiltrated Hydra using Edgar Lascombe's spare Hydra costume

- Gave the Hydra Avengers a run for their money using their inexperience working together against them

- Took out a missle's GPS system safely guiding it towards the sea

Digger was a one-issue appearance, and again was defeated with high school science. This from a guy who's supposed to have a Master's degree.
Wrong, it was 4 issues and what is this high school science you're referring to? Peter thought nothing of the sort, he researched Digger's tissue and figured out that the gamma radiation keeping him together also strained his body. So by wearing out Digger's cells his body broke down and turned into mush once Peter kicked the living crap out of him.

Spider-Man once again using science to know more about his foe and to defeat him.

[Papergirl]

Temp bans have already been handed out tonight. More can be handed out as well.

Name-calling, personal attacks and flaming will NOT be tolerated here. If you cannot state your argument without getting personal, you WILL be banned. I don't CARE who started it.

Cool it now. This is the final warning to ALL of you.

~Bev

[Spider-Sense]

While out dearly departed friend El Santo has been banned, I'm going to reply anyway.


Stop me if you've heard this one.

Have you ever heard of someone blowing themselves up and having tentacles fused to their body? Have you ever heard of someone spilling metallic alloy from an organic meteor onto themselves? Have you ever heard of someone gaining electrical powers when caught in a thunderstorm under a power line? Have you ever heard of someone on a beach getting caught in a nuclear fallout and gaining sand powers? Have you ever heard of someone testing chemical formula to give them powers thus making them insane and powerful?

If I haven't driven the point home enough, Charlie's villain origin isn't any more stupid than the ones I've mentioned. All these villains were caught unaware of their errors or misjudgement. Charlie was smart enough to be able to develop such a way to use the vibranium but Peter knew it had too many flaws to make his vibranium skin process unfeasible.


He recalled a basic fundamental fact and applied it to the vibranium metal. Stark even commented on how much of a good idea it was because it left him incapacitated instead of heating him up and killing him. But then again I'm sure high school kids would know all about vibranium right?


Spider-Man's plan still worked. His investigating of Morlun's blood gave him an idea of what he was up against and utilized his scientific knowledge of radiation to damage Morlun's pure form with every hit. In the end it gave Peter the advantage he needed to defeat him. Even in desperation Peter went to the science and bet his life on it.


Wrong, it was 4 issues and what is this high school science you're referring to? Peter thought nothing of the sort, he researched Digger's tissue and figured out that the gamma radiation keeping him together also strained his body. So by wearing out Digger's cells his body broke down and turned into mush once Peter kicked the living crap out of him.

Spider-Man once again using science to know more about his foe and to defeat him.

Fantastic post,mate!

[Will.S]

Fantastic post,mate!
Thanks mang.

[Sam T.]

Organic webbing is just wrong. He has a scientific background and he created his webbing. He needs to go back to that.

[moebius]

Have you ever heard of a little series called "What if..."?

Sure, I'm aware of "What If...?" as a concept.

But do you really think that starting with organic webbing would somehow make the character less of an everyman (the core concept, the reason he was so popular to begin with). Would it even make him less of a scientist? Do you think that Spider-Man wouldn't be as popular today because of this change?

Sure, it changes individual stories. But Spider-Man as a concept and character wouldn't be any less popular today if he'd always been "all natural."

[DDM]

A more realistic Spider-Man would basically alter his DNA to a point that he turns into a literal Spider Man--similar to the Seth Brundle transformation from man to man-fly in The Fly. Since this is comic book, Spider-Man remains relatively human. Likewise, his Spider-Man webs should remain artificial.

Eventually, Spider-Man will revert back to type.

[Alan2099]

Sure, I'm aware of "What If...?" as a concept.

But do you really think that starting with organic webbing would somehow make the character less of an everyman (the core concept, the reason he was so popular to begin with). Would it even make him less of a scientist? Do you think that Spider-Man wouldn't be as popular today because of this change?

Sure, it changes individual stories. But Spider-Man as a concept and character wouldn't be any less popular today if he'd always been "all natural."
I do actually. You see, people tend to write based on what's avalible for the character. With less science and more genic mutation, we'd get more stories along the line of man-Spider, and less work with him being a really smart guy.

[VCreed32]

I still want to know how he's not smart enough or doesn't have the money to make web shooters... yet, can make a suit that tons better than the one in the comics.

[BizarroBeachHead]

I'm not going to argue either way about the webbing, personally I don't care. A good writer is going to write a good Spidey story, regardless of something as insignificant as his organic or inorganic webspinners.

What I really don't understand is why everyone is debating whether or not the webs should come out of his butt or his hands. As for the "more realistic" argument, well it IS more realistic to generate his own webbing, thats what Spiders do.

The abdomen is where all spiders produce web. Therefore, Peter Parker, in order to be natural, would have to have wear chaps to show his naked butt in order to battle villains. Most spiders are blind & rely on the hairs on their legs to feel the vibrations through the webbing. Spiders also smell through pours on their skin.
DDM, you are right. But we are reading about Spider-MAN, not Spider-Monster. He's part spider, part man. His human physiology is obviously different than Spiders. Why is it so hard to believe that if a human were had the ability to generate webbing, that it would come out of the forearms...the place where it would be most easily used. He doesn't have eight arms to manipulate webbing comming out of his butt, nor does he have opposable thumbs or claws or anything on his feet. Therefore, the forearms seem like the logical place it would generate. Nature is logical. Bloopinator seeems like the only person here who gets it.

A more realistic Spider-Man would basically alter his DNA to a point that he turns into a literal Spider Man--similar to the Seth Brundle transformation from man to man-fly in The Fly. True, but I want to read comics about Spider-man the superhero, not Spider Man the Horror Movie Monster.

Since this is comic book, Spider-Man remains relatively human. Likewise, his Spider-Man webs should remain artificial. Those of us who don't mind the organic webbing think he still remains relatively human. So, to each his own I guess.

[Charagon]

Now that's just silly.

Until the wrist penises came along there was no way to tell that Pete was anything other than an ordinary human by just looking at him. You can't tell he can climb to walls by looking at his skin, you can't tell he's pre-cognitave by looking at his head, you can't tell he's super strong by looking at his arms.

But now when you look at his wrists you can very clearly tell there's something not right with the guy.

[DDM]

I still want to know how he's not smart enough or doesn't have the money to make web shooters... yet, can make a suit that tons better than the one in the comics.

Peter made the web shooters in his high school lab (using a combination of a few things he had at home with the fluid he made in the school lab). He can sew given he made his own costume.

[Bloopinator]

Organic webbing is just wrong. He has a scientific background and he created his webbing. He needs to go back to that.


You know someone getting organic webbing isn't going to make him dumb. How do you know he won't do stuff with his suit or invent new things later?

[Bloopinator]

Therefore, the forearms seem like the logical place it would generate. Nature is logical. Bloopinator seeems like the only person here who gets it.



Hehe a 13 year old gets that more than some adults HAHA!

[Dark Soul # 7]

Hehe a 13 year old gets that more than some adults HAHA!I think he was being sarcastic.
So you´re 13, cool I now know that I´m NOT the youngest at this board.

[Bloopinator]

I think he was being sarcastic.
So you´re 13, cool I now know that I´m NOT the youngest at this board.


I don't think he was being sarcastic. Atleast I hope he wasn't. How old are you?

[VCreed32]

Peter made the web shooters in his high school lab (using a combination of a few things he had at home with the fluid he made in the school lab). He can sew given he made his own costume.
Bolded for that minty flavor
I still want to know how he's not smart enough or doesn't have the money to make web shooters... yet, can make a suit that tons better than the one in the comics.

[Nate Grey]

Bolded for that minty flavor

Well the costume couldn't have been THAT much better than in the comics. In part 2 we learned, 1) it chaffs in the front/crotch, and 2) bleeds when you wash it. I think Peter just sewed it together and used...whatever for the black parts (something from a hobby shop). The most he might have spent on the cosume was the two way mirror eye parts.

[BizarroBeachHead]

I wasn't being sarcastic. The idea that the webbing would generate in his abdomen seems ludicrous to me. I think it's perfectly logical for them to generate in forearms.

[Dark Soul # 7]

I don't think he was being sarcastic. Atleast I hope he wasn't. How old are you?Ok, he wasn´t being sarcastic. I´m 18.

[VCreed32]

Well the costume couldn't have been THAT much better than in the comics. In part 2 we learned, 1) it chaffs in the front/crotch, and 2) bleeds when you wash it. I think Peter just sewed it together and used...whatever for the black parts (something from a hobby shop). The most he might have spent on the cosume was the two way mirror eye parts.
And the webbing on it?
And that clearly wasn't ordinary material... which may contribute to the