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The Fury
07-05-2004, 03:54 PM
Post any question you like.

My first one, Why is it Husk has never changed to adamantium or a adamantium/vibranium composite therefore becoming practically invunerable for a short time?

Brian Cronin
07-05-2004, 03:55 PM
Post any question you like.

My first one, Why is it Husk has never changed to adamantium or a adamantium/vibranium composite therefore becoming practically invunerable for a short time?

I have no idea how her powers work...I didn't know she got to choose her powers beforehand...

-Brian

Pepsigirl
07-05-2004, 03:56 PM
How the hell does Xavier have all that money?

The Fury
07-05-2004, 03:57 PM
I have no idea how her powers work...I didn't know she got to choose her powers beforehand...

-Brian
She must have some control over what material she changes to, surely?

The Fury
07-05-2004, 03:58 PM
How the hell does Xavier have all that money?
I'm guessing that he owns stoke in Mircosoft.

Brian Cronin
07-05-2004, 03:58 PM
Ah...yes, you are right, she can.

The only sticking point for her is that she cannot turn into anything that exceeds her body mass.

So maybe adamantium would exceed her body mass?

-Brian

Michael P
07-05-2004, 03:59 PM
I have no idea how her powers work...I didn't know she got to choose her powers beforehand...

-Brian
She's slowly developed control over what material she husks to. As for why she's never done adamantium, it could be she needs to have an idea of the material's composition, and nobody outside of Reed Richards and a few other uberbrains is really sure what adamatium's made of or looks like on a molecular level.

The Fury
07-05-2004, 04:00 PM
So maybe adamantium would exceed her body mass?

-Brian
She has changed into gold before though. And thats heavy.

Brian Cronin
07-05-2004, 04:01 PM
She has changed into gold before though. And thats heavy.

Then I defer to writerboy's reply. :D

-Brian

Michael P
07-05-2004, 04:07 PM
How the hell does Xavier have all that money?
The official line is that he inherited a massive fortune when his parents died. As for the rest, wise investment and being an alien royal's sex toy.

The Lucky One
07-05-2004, 04:14 PM
How the hell does Xavier have all that money?

Xavier comes from old money; the estate was part of his inheritance, I believe. Along with it came a whole lot of money, and I think it's been mentioned that he did well in the stock market as a young man. In addition, plenty of his students and associates have cash and are presumably quite willing to help out when need be- Warren Worthington, for instance, but also Betsy Braddock (they're not hurting for money), Logan's been mentioned to have a lot of money squirreled away, Moira McTaggart was independently wealthy, Emma Frost has plenty of dough (and in her will left everything to Xavier). Forge can probably cobble together most of their tech for next to nothing. Plus, Xavier being Lilandra's consort and all, it's pretty likely that most of the really impressive stuff -- the Danger Room holograms, the costume generators, etc. -- gets passed "under the table," so to speak.

Most of that is by memory from Kate the Short's FAQ, by the way; her explanation might be more detailed, I can't remember.

-D, who thinks that's the real reason X-people keep dying; the ones without family leave all their moolah to Chuck, so every time they're running low, "Oh no! Poor Warren!"...

Sanagi
07-05-2004, 04:22 PM
The Legacy Virus makes mutants' powers go crazy, right? So what would happen if Wolverine got it? Would his healing factor go nuts and just seal over his whole body, turning him into a fleshy blob, or a biological monster like something from Akira?

Ramona Juanita
07-05-2004, 04:37 PM
Why don't any of the X-Men really work?

We've discussed how they 'probably' got college educations at the Mansion and all, but how could you never see them doing normal jobs? Janitors at a school, Allsup's manager, Wal-Mart associate, making burgers at McDonald's.

Surely not all of them can be independely wealthy, or hold some kind of medical degrees?

kmeyers
07-05-2004, 04:39 PM
Why don't any of the X-Men really work?

We've discussed how they 'probably' got college educations at the Mansion and all, but how could you never see them doing normal jobs? Janitors at a school, Allsup's manager, Wal-Mart associate, making burgers at McDonald's.

Surely not all of them can be independely wealthy, or hold some kind of medical degrees?

Most of them are teachers. And they probably don't have to pay rent to live in the mansion.

mgs
07-05-2004, 07:44 PM
How the hell does Xavier have all that money?
he has the same accountant as batman. ;)
Most of them are teachers. And they probably don't have to pay rent to live in the mansion.
yeah, but in order for that to be a school, I imagine, heavy costs, leavies and taxes are assigned to the school of that size (students), even if private.

Pepsigirl
07-05-2004, 08:01 PM
he has the same accountant as batman. ;)


Yeah, but Batman owns all of Wayne Enterprises or whatever, Xavier was never even shown with a real job. Or was he?

Perry Holley
07-05-2004, 08:06 PM
wise investment Which isn't difficult when you can read the minds of stockbrokers and determine which way the market is going.

Sabre
07-05-2004, 09:43 PM
The Legacy Virus makes mutants' powers go crazy, right? So what would happen if Wolverine got it? Would his healing factor go nuts and just seal over his whole body, turning him into a fleshy blob, or a biological monster like something from Akira?

I always figured it would act something like rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, or some other autoimmune disorder, in which the immune system attacks the body. This causes organ damage, a screwy nervous system, problems with skin and joints, and pretty much anything else you can imagine...but in his case, it'd probably be even more intense.

DMike
07-05-2004, 09:56 PM
Why is it Husk has never changed to adamantium or a adamantium/vibranium composite therefore becoming practically invunerable for a short time?

Perhaps hardened adamantium stays in a fixed position when its formed? After all, Ultron needs a molecular rearranger just to move around and Logan's claws don't bend; who's to say she wouldn't be an invulnerable statue the moment she transforms?

shadowed
07-06-2004, 12:48 AM
Why isn't Psylocke back yet? :(

Vector
07-06-2004, 01:46 AM
If Cyclops's beams are truly force beams... why doesn't he fly backwards when he fires off a particularly powerful optic blast?

Brian Cronin
07-06-2004, 01:50 AM
If Cyclops's beams are truly force beams... why doesn't he fly backwards when he fires off a particularly powerful optic blast?

Probably for the same reason why Havok is immune to a FORCE beam from Cyclops (which seems very hard to believe, no? If it's FORCE, how can you be immune to it?!?)...which is that his body is just immune to the force of the beam.

-Brian

Dizzy D
07-06-2004, 04:12 AM
If Cyclops's beams are truly force beams... why doesn't he fly backwards when he fires off a particularly powerful optic blast?

It was explained in the handbooks that Cyclops' eyes could be seen as one-way portals: the optic beam particles just pass from wherever they come through the eyes. Cause the eyes act as a window there, there is no force on Cyclops himself.

Siddon
07-06-2004, 05:35 AM
I remeber hearing once (I think on a letter page) that the reason why Xavier has all of his money is that he sells some of the inventions he got from the Shiar to the government and that keeps him rolling,

Ultimate Xavier writes books and inherited most of his money.

Sheldon
07-06-2004, 05:38 AM
When is Ulitmate Collossus gonna come outta the closet?

venuscameback
07-06-2004, 05:49 AM
When is Ultimate Collossus gonna come outta the closet?maybe ...

maybe Ultimate Colossus has no concept of homosexuality. maybe he never met a gay person or even heard of alternative sexualities on his rural farm

but now he's met northstar, who clealry fancies him, he might start to understand his feelings and explore them ...

Colossus & Northstar - here's to Marvel's Ultimate gay couple.

for one week, at least.

it's too convenient to have the only known gay mutants fancy each other and settle into a lengthy relationship. but let them enjoy the sex

DLW

Sheldon
07-06-2004, 05:52 AM
Well ultimate Collossus has fancied Logan from the start.....

foxfire
07-06-2004, 07:23 AM
Why are there characters like Morph who can do just about anything? I mean is fine as she can only change her appearence, right? But then people like Morph should never loose a fight.

Dizzy D
07-06-2004, 07:27 AM
Why are there characters like Morph who can do just about anything? I mean is fine as she can only change her appearence, right? But then people like Morph should never loose a fight.

Unless he's fighting a telepath. Or a teleporter. Or an energy projector. Or a reality warper. Or a telekinetic. Or a forcefield projector. Or a cryokinetic.

There are more than enough ways to beat Morph.

The Fury
07-06-2004, 07:53 AM
Why are there characters like Morph who can do just about anything? I mean is fine as she can only change her appearence, right? But then people like Morph should never loose a fight.
Powers like his are limited by imagination. Simple answer but it works. Same as Rogue when she could recall any powers she wanted. She only recalled Colossus' or Wolverines claws, why she didn't recall Thor's immortallity, I dont know.

The Fury
07-06-2004, 11:40 AM
I have another small question but might not be able to be answered.

Why is it when ever Cyclops fires hin consussive blast sometimes it leaves smoke when the blast has no heat it in?

riotgear
07-06-2004, 11:42 AM
It didn't use to, but as of Uncanny X-Men #377, when HE LIT A CAMPFIRE WITH IT, they're saying he does. Before that, I would say it's not smoke, but dust residue.

heystacy
07-06-2004, 11:46 AM
Why don't any of the X-Men really work?

We've discussed how they 'probably' got college educations at the Mansion and all, but how could you never see them doing normal jobs? Janitors at a school, Allsup's manager, Wal-Mart associate, making burgers at McDonald's.

Surely not all of them can be independely wealthy, or hold some kind of medical degrees?

What kind of Degrees do the X-men have? Besides Beast, none of them seem to be qualified in any area.

mattbib
07-06-2004, 11:50 AM
It didn't use to, but as of Uncanny X-Men #377, when HE LIT A CAMPFIRE WITH IT, they're saying he does. Before that, I would say it's not smoke, but dust residue.Oh brother, I forgot about that. Maybe we can say the impact from the blast ignited something, a la flint and steel?

The Fury
07-06-2004, 11:55 AM
Oh brother, I forgot about that. Maybe we can say the impact from the blast ignited something, a la flint and steel?
How about that there was intense friction caused, which obviously produces heat. Just like rubbing to pieces of wood together.

The Lucky One
07-06-2004, 11:56 AM
What kind of Degrees do the X-men have? Besides Beast, none of them seem to be qualified in any area.

Iceman is a CPA. Beyond him, though, I don't think any of them are legally certified in much. But it's just a matter of being creative- Kurt could give fencing lessons. Peter made a living as an artist after going through the Siege Perilous. Longshot was a stuntman. Dazzler had a promising singing career, as does Lila Cheney. Psylocke was a fashion model. Kitty and Doug could have run Microsoft out of business. Roberto inherited his father's corporation, and Warren's got his. Jamie Madrox could work 20 minimum wage jobs a day and be rolling in money in no time. Et cetera, et cetera.

-D

heystacy
07-06-2004, 12:14 PM
Iceman is a CPA. Beyond him, though, I don't think any of them are legally certified in much. But it's just a matter of being creative- Kurt could give fencing lessons. Peter made a living as an artist after going through the Siege Perilous. Longshot was a stuntman. Dazzler had a promising singing career, as does Lila Cheney. Psylocke was a fashion model. Kitty and Doug could have run Microsoft out of business. Roberto inherited his father's corporation, and Warren's got his. Jamie Madrox could work 20 minimum wage jobs a day and be rolling in money in no time. Et cetera, et cetera.

-D

The rest of them are slackers. LOL. I believe Emma Frost (Who needs a codename) is businesswoman, and seems to have a sex therapy background, or so she said. It does seem odd that there are so many people around to teach, with no formal training.

Could there ever be a mutant correspondance class. :D

foxfire
07-06-2004, 01:36 PM
So... why are there at least three 20 or 30 something mutants with partial/ completely white hair? :)

Huzzah!
07-06-2004, 03:16 PM
I believe Psylocke has a Psycology degree, as well as being a trained pilot (something almost every claremont woman has, seemingly a nod to his mother). As per the fashion model thing, i believe that was simply a cover for her secret agenting.

The Fury
07-06-2004, 03:21 PM
As per the fashion model thing, i believe that was simply a cover for her secret agenting.
It wasn't, there were magazine and things, I think.


And FoxFire, I think either they are all Magneto's children or white hair is what every mutant/human will have one day.

kmeyers
07-06-2004, 03:29 PM
So... why are there at least three 20 or 30 something mutants with partial/ completely white hair? :)

Being a mutant can be stressfull, and cause some to go prematurely white.

Perry Holley
07-06-2004, 03:34 PM
So... why are there at least three 20 or 30 something mutants with partial/ completely white hair? :)Secondary mutations?

Vegetarian Goat
07-07-2004, 10:42 AM
Why is it when ever Cyclops fires hin consussive blast sometimes it leaves smoke when the blast has no heat it in?

And another thing: Does Cyclops's beam give off light, or do artists just like to make it look that way? If it gave off light, then it would HAVE to give off at least a fraction of heat, right?

Huzzah!
07-07-2004, 11:28 AM
It wasn't, there were magazine and things, I think.

Yeah i know that. What im saying is that the modeling thing was part of the secret agent job. She presented herself as a model, with covers and what nots, as a ...well....cover

Michael P
07-07-2004, 12:18 PM
And another thing: Does Cyclops's beam give off light, or do artists just like to make it look that way? If it gave off light, then it would HAVE to give off at least a fraction of heat, right?
Well, people can see it, so it presumably does.

Zero Hunter
07-07-2004, 04:52 PM
Iceman is a CPA. Beyond him, though, I don't think any of them are legally certified in much. But it's just a matter of being creative- Kurt could give fencing lessons. Peter made a living as an artist after going through the Siege Perilous. Longshot was a stuntman. Dazzler had a promising singing career, as does Lila Cheney. Psylocke was a fashion model. Kitty and Doug could have run Microsoft out of business. Roberto inherited his father's corporation, and Warren's got his. Jamie Madrox could work 20 minimum wage jobs a day and be rolling in money in no time. Et cetera, et cetera.

-D

Cyclops was a pilot for a while and helped run his grandparents small airline in Alsaka, so he would at least have to be a certifed pilot I would think. I alos think he worked on a fishing boat at one time. Don't Havok and Polaris have Archeolgy degrees or something like that, or were they just studing that but never finished. Kitty worked in a bar up until she came back to the X-Men while going to college in Chicago so she might at least have a two year degree it just depneds on how long she wa actully in school. Karma was in college too but they have never said if she graduated or not. Skids is still in college.

heystacy
07-07-2004, 05:09 PM
Cyclops was a pilot for a while and helped run his grandparents small airline in Alsaka, so he would at least have to be a certifed pilot I would think. I alos think he worked on a fishing boat at one time. Don't Havok and Polaris have Archeolgy degrees or something like that, or were they just studing that but never finished. Kitty worked in a bar up until she came back to the X-Men while going to college in Chicago so she might at least have a two year degree it just depneds on how long she wa actully in school. Karma was in college too but they have never said if she graduated or not. Skids is still in college.

But none of them are qualified to teach an academic course. More like trades. Xavier's Trade School for Mutants. :D Too bad Havok and Polaris don't explore more of their degrees in the X-Books. Think of the adventures they'd get into.

Kitty's so gifted, I think she could teach students plenty about computers, and programming.

Vector
07-07-2004, 05:36 PM
It wasn't, there were magazine and things, I think.


In XXM 3 it shows her on the cover of Vogue. :D


Sage could work for the FBI.

The Lucky One
07-07-2004, 06:51 PM
Don't Havok and Polaris have Archeolgy degrees or something like that, or were they just studing that but never finished.

Geology. They were grad students (implying they both finished college... in fact, wasn't Alex graduating college when he made his first appearance in UXM?), but I don't think they ever finished; they were interrupted by Lorna being possessed by Malice, so Alex joined the X-Men, then went through the Siege Perilous and became a Genoshan magistrate, then they were both in X-Factor, then Alex died, and he's just back now. So, yeah... they never really had time to finish.

As for Kitty in college, she IS a genius, so I wonder what level she'd be at... I'm sure she learned tons about genetics from Moira MacTaggert when Excalibur was based off of Muir Island. I'm sure she could get a regular degree in a matter of months, but maybe she was shooting for a doctorate or something. Either way, she didn't finish, you're right.

-D

mattbib
07-07-2004, 07:06 PM
Karma just graduated. I'm assuming Skids graduated before she joined up with the X-Corporation. Beast has a real doctorate, right?

Beast
07-07-2004, 07:35 PM
Beast has a real doctorate, right?
He has several degrees, 12 different Ph.Ds, and an MD. Amongst other things. Here's a pretty good listing of his schooling history. :)

http://alykat.hispeed.com/beast/resume.shtml

Anon_me
07-11-2004, 12:46 AM
Had some queries that have been floating around in my head for awhile so...

1) Is Moonstar still able to do the psionic arrow thing or did they write that out completely and revert her back to just illusions?

2) Whatever happened to the whole "Nova Roma was just a creation of Selene" story? Now it seems that Amara is back to being a Roman.

3) I lost track of X-force for awhile; what happened to the rest of the team (Domnio, Boomer, etc). I saw Syrin make an appearance as part of X-corp and just wondered how she got her powers back after Feral ripped her vocal chords.

4) Who was the Magneto that was beheaded by Wolverine? Was it explained anywhere else other than the one sentence that Xavier spoke in Excalibur #2?

These are old ones and mostly Psylocke related:

5) Was it ever explained how Psylocke suddenly became telekinetic and whatever happened to the Shadow King since he was trapped by her telepathy.

6) Psylocke's parents weren't from Earth were they? Didn't they come from like the Omniverse?

7) During the whole Revanche/Besty arc, when Revanche realized that she was going to die, she gave her telepathy to Matsuo who then transferred it to Besty? How did that work? And being that Revanche's original body only had limited telepathy, did that mean that Besty was working at very limited capabilities during her whole run before she was restored?

Thanks :p

Stagier
07-11-2004, 05:57 AM
ok...
1) i think that dani is still able to do psychic arrows, but if i remember correctly, the current writers don't like them, so they might change it to fit her illusions ability more.
2) Claremont didn't like that idea either, i think. He started fixing amara in xtreme and might pick her up in uncanny.
3)Domino appeared in new xmen annual with xorneto and risque (who died). Her and Boomer appereard in Weapon X, feral and proudstar are in x-corp Mumbai? shatterstar is MIA (rumored to have a limited coming out) and got me on rictor. caliban is in space? sunspot was in xtreme.
4)George W. Bush
5) When Bestsy lost her TP, she and Jean somehow traded powers, so Betsy got TK and Jean got some shadow form. There might have been more stuff but it was all cut short. How this happened only claremont knows, since it was during that revolutions 6 month gap thing. someday we will find out maybe, or not since they're both deader than disco.
6) I think maybe her father? i remember something like that in that last excalibur limited, where brian rules the omniverse. not sure though.
7) yes something like that.
I love psylocke as a character, but her history is a bit convoluted and i am not sure on A Lot of the details, and I've been reading for a long time.

The Lucky One
07-11-2004, 09:48 PM
1) Gone, thank God. Not officially, of course, and I'm sure someone, someday will think it was a good idea and bring it back, but it hasn't been seen since the end of X-Force. Although Claremont did give Dani a new application for her powers back in the Revolution era, where she combined her illusions with her Valkyrie death-sense to recreate Mr. Sinister and Sabretooth's deaths for the X-Men.
2) She explained to her former teammates in X-Treme X-Men (or was it New Mutants?) that "Alison Crestmere" was a lie, and Nova Roma was the truth. Hasn't been explained since, and unknown if it ever will be.
3) I remember Terry got possessed briefly soon after, and I THINK that might've been what healed her vocal cords, but I can't remember for sure. The others are gone, but sadly will be back in just a few months, in Liefeld's new X-Force miniseries.
4) We don't know. Yet. Guarantee that's not the end of it, though.
5) No. Probably never will be, either.
6) Her mother was human, her father was from Otherworld. That's why Brian Braddock has his Captain Britain powers (he's not a mutant), inherited from his father; however, since telepathy is rare even among Otherworlders, Psylocke may be a mutant, albeit an Otherworld mutant.
7) Got me. I try to forget that mess ever existed.
;)

-D

Dizzy D
07-13-2004, 05:34 AM
Since the other two have answered most of the questions:

>3) I lost track of X-force for awhile; what happened to the rest of the team (Domnio, Boomer, etc). I saw Syrin make an appearance as part of X-corp and just wondered how she got her powers back after Feral ripped her vocal chords.<

Siryn got her vocal cords back thanks to Deadpool (in some very very bad Wolverine issues). Basically he kidnapped Wolverine and cut some deals to have Wolverine's healing factor used to heal Terry.

>6) Psylocke's parents weren't from Earth were they? Didn't they come from like the Omniverse?

Like Drew said, her father came from Otherworld, her mother was human. But telepathy *is* pretty common on Otherworld: In Excalibur, when visiting there Rachel had a constant headache from all the telepathic travel going on. But it is by no means a power everybody has (and I doubt James Braddock had that power)

>7) During the whole Revanche/Besty arc, when Revanche realized that she was going to die, she gave her telepathy to Matsuo who then transferred it to Besty? How did that work? And being that Revanche's original body only had limited telepathy, did that mean that Besty was working at very limited capabilities during her whole run before she was restored?<

Uhm, from what ninja-Psylocke displayed, her telepatic powers (apart from the knife) where certainly less than her powers in her previous form. That could be explained though by the fact that she liked using her new ninja-skills more.

grampa doowop
07-14-2004, 10:06 AM
Not to post jack...but I have a few questions myself, and not sure if it's big enough for its own thread:

Is Fever Pitch (from the X-Corps plot in Uncanny) the same person as Holocaust (Nemesis) from the AoA reality? If so, why the name change? The last time I read anything with him in it was the X-Force story with Sebastian Shaw and Tessa brainwashing the entire team. I know that Holocaust appeared in the book X-Man for a few issues...did the change happen because of something there? Also, has he ever tried to make contact with the Apocalypse (his AoA father's counterpart) of this reality?

mattbib
07-14-2004, 10:35 AM
Is Fever Pitch (from the X-Corps plot in Uncanny) the same person as Holocaust (Nemesis) from the AoA reality?
No, they're two different characters. Fever Pitch first appeared in Generation X #50.

But given that Holocaust came over from AoA, maybe Fever Pitch is the (oh, I hate to use the term) 616 version of Holocaust?

The Fury
07-14-2004, 11:40 AM
That's why Brian Braddock has his Captain Britain powers (he's not a mutant), inherited from his father;
Brian got his Cap B powers from the Amulet that Merlin gave him at Darkmoor. I didn't think it had anything to do with his father, but this could explain why Psylocke had telepathic powers.

The Lucky One
07-14-2004, 12:20 PM
Brian got his Cap B powers from the Amulet that Merlin gave him at Darkmoor. I didn't think it had anything to do with his father, but this could explain why Psylocke had telepathic powers.

I'm pretty sure that's been retconned, though. I'll confess to not being entirely clear on the details, and I could certainly be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the current explanation is that they were inherited. Or maybe the Amulet just amplified them, like his costume did for a while.

-D

mr fudge
07-15-2004, 01:58 AM
Hi, guys!

I've been lurking around here for almost 2 years now, and I've got a couple of questions so I decided to post. Hope you guys can help me out :)

1) How many Ultimate Xmen HCs are there so far, and which issues does each HC collect?

2) I just finished reading by Captain Britain tpb (moore and davis), and I was wondering how the fury actually comes back. I'm sure that he's appeared a few tiems in between Cpt Britain and this issue of Uncanny Xmen. How does he come back?

Sheldon
07-15-2004, 03:55 AM
There are 3 Ultimate X-men HCs

Vol 1 has 1-12 + giant sized x-men1
Vol 2 has 13-25
Vol 3 has Ultimate war 1-4 and issues 26-33

Vector
07-15-2004, 04:17 AM
2) I just finished reading by Captain Britain tpb (moore and davis), and I was wondering how the fury actually comes back. I'm sure that he's appeared a few tiems in between Cpt Britain and this issue of Uncanny Xmen. How does he come back?

As of right now we don't know how the Fury came back. To my knowledge the Fury has not appeared since it's apparent death.

The Lucky One
07-15-2004, 06:47 AM
As of right now we don't know how the Fury came back. To my knowledge the Fury has not appeared since it's apparent death.

Yeah, you're right- he hasn't been seen since the original Cap Britain story. Claremont initially wanted to use him back in the 80's, having him merge with Nimrod to become a super-tough, super-smart ("like Einstein times a million," I think is how he described it) robot that would kill all of the Morlocks (yeah, the NimFury was originally going to be responsible for the Mutant Massacre), but Alan Moore apparently heard about it and, thanks to his rapidly deteriorating relationship with Marvel, raised such a stink that it was nixed, along with CC's Jaspers' Warp story (which became Fall of the Mutants, with the Adversary subbing in for Mad Jim Jaspers). Nimrod would eventually merge with the Master Mold instead, but the Fury hasn't been seen since Moore's story, and we don't know yet how it's back. I have a feeling we won't find out for some time, either...

-D

JTLauder
07-15-2004, 09:25 AM
I left comics a number of years ago and just started up again when I heard Joss Whedon doing Astonishing X-Men, so I picked it up. I can understand a new artist redesigning costumes and characters, but what did they do to Beast?!
He looks like a cutsy cat man! Is that how he's drawn in all the X-books?

Sheldon
07-15-2004, 09:29 AM
Why yes he is a cat.

Flight
07-15-2004, 09:30 AM
O. M. G.

When the Neo returned they kidnapped Beast and had a plan to fuse mutants with animals!
They merged Jean with an otter but she died. Colossus was put with a dung beetle and he died too. Poor Psylocke was meshed with a shark and she couldn't breathe out of water and is dead too!!
Beast survived though when they used a cat on him! He's stuck this way.

mattbib
07-15-2004, 09:31 AM
I left comics a number of years ago and just started up again when I heard Joss Whedon doing Astonishing X-Men, so I picked it up. I can understand a new artist redesigning costumes and characters, but what did they do to Beast?!
He looks like a cutsy cat man! Is that how he's drawn in all the X-books?
from www.uncannyxmen.net
After mourning [for Colossus], Beast too left Xavier’s school and met with Storm’s team to begin their quest with a visit to Valencia, Spain. They came into conflict with the country's own Guardia Civil and also a mysterious man known as Vargas, who killed Psylocke and seriously wounded Beast. Hank was only saved when Sage jumpstarted his latent healing abilities, which also foreshadowed a further mutation. Beast’s injuries forced him to return to the mansion, as Storm considered him a security risk for the rest of her team.

Not long after returning to Westchester, Beast experienced a regressive mutation that transformed him from ape-like to cat-like. His new body was much larger and possessed greater senses and predatory instincts. He needed some time to adjust to his altered state but, at the same time, began working with the new students at the Xavier Institute to help them fulfill their potential.

Sheldon
07-15-2004, 09:32 AM
Exactly the cat is also a form of totem for beast...he has new cat powers.

Puma
07-15-2004, 09:32 AM
Flight, behave ;)


and cry HAVOK!

Flight
07-15-2004, 09:34 AM
Oh come on Pumie... This is like the 7th thread like this, this week
Haven't these people heard of google or uncannyxmen.net???

Puma
07-15-2004, 09:38 AM
I know-I think thats why Brian updated the rules, that few seem to read.
the various deaths were funny though :p

JTLauder
07-15-2004, 09:41 AM
Sorry, didn't mean to rehash an old topic. I've been away from comics for about 7 years, so I've had no idea so many changes had taken place, and it's not like the X-Men storyline wasn't complicated enough back then!

I thought Beast's cat face was just an artistic change and happened a long time ago now and didn't realize there was a story to explain it.

Thanks to those kind enough to answer back.

grampa doowop
07-15-2004, 09:41 AM
No, they're two different characters. Fever Pitch first appeared in Generation X #50.

But given that Holocaust came over from AoA, maybe Fever Pitch is the (oh, I hate to use the term) 616 version of Holocaust?


Ahh, thanks for clearing that up mattbib. My Generation X collection is a little sketchy around those issue numbers.

Beast
07-15-2004, 09:43 AM
Fear not true believer, I have a feeling that we'll be seeing good ole Human or Blue and Furry Apeman Hank again soon. The covers seem to even suggest such a change. And Marvel always typically returns a character to thier most iconic appearance. And for a little added information as to why it was done. Grant Morrison requested the change because when he hears the name Beast, the character from the Disney Animated Movie springs to his mind. So Beast was redesigned by Frank Quietly to look like the B&tB character. And if that isn't a good enough reason for reverting him to his iconic look, nothing is. :)

Flight
07-15-2004, 09:49 AM
Sorry, didn't mean to rehash an old topic. I've been away from comics for about 7 years, so I've had no idea so many changes had taken place, and it's not like the X-Men storyline wasn't complicated enough back then!

I thought Beast's cat face was just an artistic change and happened a long time ago now and didn't realize there was a story to explain it.

Thanks to those kind enough to answer back. Its no problem
You can find the full story in the X-Men: Bestiality mini series :)

grampa doowop
07-15-2004, 09:50 AM
Okay, so I am post jacking again, but the title is called "Some queries" so...

During Steve Seagle's run on Uncanny, there were a few issues where Sauron attacked the X-Men at the mansion. In that first story, it begins with Rogue having a dream where she and Wolverine were fighting and she touched him and absorbed his memories and powers. She then comments on Wolverine having a son, I believe, and then wakes up. Was this ever explained? Does anyone know if Seagle had something in mind when he wrote this? Was it foreshadowing something? A repressed memory perhaps?

Beast
07-15-2004, 09:51 AM
Its no problem
You can find the full story in the X-Men: Bestiality mini series :)
Co-starring Trish Tilby? ;) :D

Atomic Mongoose
07-15-2004, 09:53 AM
The X-Men are mutants?

Man, a lot's changed since I took a break from reading the X-titles 60 years ago. Can anyone give me an update???

Grendel0606
07-15-2004, 10:15 AM
Okay, so I am post jacking again, but the title is called "Some queries" so...

During Steve Seagle's run on Uncanny, there were a few issues where Sauron attacked the X-Men at the mansion. In that first story, it begins with Rogue having a dream where she and Wolverine were fighting and she touched him and absorbed his memories and powers. She then comments on Wolverine having a son, I believe, and then wakes up. Was this ever explained? Does anyone know if Seagle had something in mind when he wrote this? Was it foreshadowing something? A repressed memory perhaps?
Rumor has it Seagle (who was writing the new Alpha Flight at the time) intended for Alpha newbie Flex to be Logan's son (and his halfbrother Radius be Unus' son)

mattbib
07-15-2004, 10:16 AM
Rumor has it Seagle (who was writing the new Alpha Flight at the time) intended for Alpha newbie Flex to be Logan's son (and his halfbrother Radius be Unus' son)
I don't think I'd have minded that.

Morning Robin
07-15-2004, 11:29 AM
The sixty second X-Men.

"I have called you each here this school in westchester because you're all mutants."

"Oh my god, the original X-Men have been captured!"

"We're the new X-men, bub. Get over it."

"Oh my god! They killed Jean Grey!"

"She looks just like Jean, but her name's Madelyne."

"Will you marry me, Madelyne?"

"Oh, Scott, yes!"

"We found her on the bottom of the ocean. She says her name's Jean Grey..."

"I am the Goblin Queen! Fear me and my leather oufit!"

"I have come from the future to prevent it from happening."

"I have come from the future because I was stupid enough to go through a one way time portal."

"No, Cable...I am your father."

"Nooooooooo!"

"X-Men blue, meet X-Men gold. Gold, blue."

"I never slip, bub."

"Oh my god! They killed Illyana!"

"All hail Magneto, the drooling, catatonic God."

"Oh my god! They killed Professor X!"

"This isn't reality, my friends. If we are to believe Bishop, we must save Professor Xavier's life."

"Hah hah, come to me my X-Men. Yes, I did destroy upper New York, but I'm still the caring professor you know and love."

"To save everyone, all the heroes must die."

"Hey, these leather outfits are pretty cool."

"I have a healing factor that can heal my arm being torn off, but I'm going to go ahead and quit smoking anyway."

"Oh my God! They killed Magneto!"

"Say, Chuck, it's your sister, you tell her it's rude to try to destroy human kind."

"I am Xorn. I have nothing to contribute except to walk around a bit."

"Hah hah, you fools, I'm Magneto, and I'm going to destroy the world because people are mean to me."

"Oh my god! They killed Jean Grey!"

"Wolverine, now, put those claws away before someone gets hurt."

"Hey, costumes. Cool!"

Charagon
07-15-2004, 12:05 PM
Sounds good.

The Lucky One
07-15-2004, 12:16 PM
Anybody read Twisted Toyfare Theater in yesterday's Toyfare? I'm sure you have to actually see it, but Beast's thought balloon was just the funniest part of that entire skit.

"Come on, Morrison... a cat??"

-D

HeavenzKnight
07-15-2004, 10:52 PM
How does Magneto breath in space?

I dont get it.

Cyke
07-15-2004, 11:46 PM
He's above such annoying homo-sapien needs like breathing...

;)

Vector
07-16-2004, 12:47 AM
Magnetic forcefield that contains enough air to last a while. Don't try to rationalize it anymore than that. :p

Uncle Nobs
07-16-2004, 01:04 AM
When did Magneto fight the Shadow King and what were the circumstances?

In UXM #275, he's having a series of flashbacks. His captions read:

"Once more, rage flashes through me... ...hand in hand with a terror I'd not felt since Auschwitz... ...as at last I confront the Shadow King. Followed by sick shame at the awful cost of my survival."

Any info out there?

Brian Cronin
07-16-2004, 01:14 AM
When did Magneto fight the Shadow King and what were the circumstances?

In UXM #275, he's having a series of flashbacks. His captions read:

"Once more, rage flashes through me... ...hand in hand with a terror I'd not felt since Auschwitz... ...as at last I confront the Shadow King. Followed by sick shame at the awful cost of my survival."

Any info out there?

I do not believe there is any info out there.

That appears to be an "untold tale."

-Brian

Crimson
07-16-2004, 03:51 AM
How come Archangle is back in human form?

Dizzy D
07-16-2004, 03:58 AM
I'm pretty sure that's been retconned, though. I'll confess to not being entirely clear on the details, and I could certainly be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the current explanation is that they were inherited. Or maybe the Amulet just amplified them, like his costume did for a while.

-D

OK, bear with me for a second, this is a long subject and I'll give tags where I'll try to knot the various bits of information together:

The amulet activated Brian's powers and later the amulet got turned into Brian's second costume (the one with the helmet) Or rather that is what was claimed, but the costume seems to be more technology than magic, while the amulet was more magic. ANother one of Merlyn's deceptions?
At the end of the Captain Britain series, Brian found out that he was even more powerful without the costume. He describes the costume as a crutch, keeping him from developing his full abilities for so long (in fact "training wheels" seems a more appropriate description). So the Amulet seems to at least activate his powers, but not to be necessary to them.

Now during the previous Excalibur Limited Series, Brian has become powerless and Mastermind (the computer, not the mutant) tries to use the reformed Amulet (stated as being reformed after Brian's costume was destroyed, because such powerful objects were nearly impossible to destroy) and the Sword to reshape the Omniverse. Brian finds the sword *inside himself* during his quest. Mastermind later takes it away but even with sword and amulet he doesn't really seem to be able to use it. Brian OTOH gets both sword and amulet and casually changes a few dozen mutated Warpies into normal humans. So Brian has some connection to the sword and amulet that others seem to lack (also note that none of the other Captain Britains in the Corps seem to have the amulet: all have the super-tech costumes.

Both sword and amulet are in fact just manifestations of Brian's own powers (this would seem to also make up for earlier errors regarding Brian's Excalibur and King Arthur's Excalibur.)

Merlyn (as his usual sneaky lying little self) probably disguised the powers as artifacts because an artifact (possibly a machine) would appeal more to Brian's science-orientated mind than inate powers. (Brian once went mad trying to understand magic). Over time when he learned to accept the existence of magic, Merlyn would slowly show him his true powers/capabilities.

Flight
07-16-2004, 04:49 AM
How come Archangle is back in human form? When was he out of it?? :confused:

Sheldon
07-16-2004, 04:59 AM
I think he mean's how did he get back his regular skin tone and got rid of the blue skin.

Well you see Warren was trapped by Black Tom Cassidy's evil plants and they sucked the blue out of him. This led to Warren discovering he has a healing factor in his blood, and start wearing a loincloth and carrying around a sword like a real life angel or something....

And yes I am being serious.

Crimson
07-16-2004, 07:00 AM
When was he out of it?? :confused:

When Apocalypse changed him... to the Angle of Death, he then stayed blue like that till a few years back. I dunno if he wasn't human but he certainly was very different from the Archangel we know and love.

Thanks to the other member for the answer

Sheldon
07-16-2004, 07:03 AM
I don't read Weapon X with any frequency, but I was wondering if they resolved the mutant concentration camp storyline?
I want Dr. Reyes and Leech to be safe and sound.

Flight
07-16-2004, 07:06 AM
Nah, we don't know what happened to them
Wolverine went to NeverLand to get Chamber out (Where Reyes and Leech were being held) but everything was gone. It was totally deserted
They seem to have dropped this plot in favour of a "have tough guys with guns fight it out each month" style which means we'll probably never see them or Jon ever again...

Sheldon
07-16-2004, 07:13 AM
Dammit....stupid tieri......grrrh.

Slayven
07-16-2004, 07:24 AM
why did cannonball forget how to use his powers?

Flight
07-16-2004, 07:28 AM
Because it was pivitol to the plot

Slayven
07-16-2004, 07:44 AM
Because it was pivitol to the plot
I am talking about him firing off blasts and forming forcefields without blasting all the stuff he learned in X force. HE jumps up to the x men nd forgets all of that

Sheldon
07-16-2004, 08:15 AM
Because no one read X-force but you Slayven...I doubt Claremont and the X-writers did...

Flight
07-16-2004, 08:21 AM
I am talking about him firing off blasts and forming forcefields without blasting all the stuff he learned in X force. HE jumps up to the x men nd forgets all of that Oh yse, taht aws vrey caelr in yrou frsit psot :rolleyes:

Slayven
07-16-2004, 08:38 AM
shame on them. guess i must be the only thornn fan

mattbib
07-16-2004, 08:42 AM
shame on them. guess i must be the only thornn fan
Thornn fan? Probably.

The Lucky One
07-16-2004, 10:46 AM
Because no one read X-force but you Slayven...I doubt Claremont and the X-writers did...

Hey, I read it out of loyalty to the New Mutants... suffered through the Liefeld times, rejoiced in the road trip years, and was ambivalent to most everything else. As for why Sam forgot how to make forceblasts, though, probably because it was a terrible idea, same reason Dani doesn't use her psychic arrows anymore. Thank God Claremont's got hold of Sam again to keep the rehabilitiation going; just hope Rob doesn't screw him up all over again in X-Force. *sigh*

-D

Uncle Nobs
07-16-2004, 11:54 AM
When Apocalypse changed him... to the Angle of Death, he then stayed blue like that till a few years back. I dunno if he wasn't human but he certainly was very different from the Archangel we know and love.

Thanks to the other member for the answer

Back then, he was an acute angle. Now he's obtuse.

Jack Flash
07-16-2004, 08:16 PM
i always said that geometry would be the death of me, now I know it'll be the angle of death...i liked metal and blue warren over the healing factor wolf fighter leering pedophile-ish angel we're saddled with now.

Anon_me
07-16-2004, 10:48 PM
Why do they have pointed ears? Do they have enhanced hearing? I don't get it.

Slayven
07-16-2004, 11:21 PM
They are half elf

*run away*

artemisboy
07-16-2004, 11:25 PM
Yeah, I never liked the elf thing. Still, Nightcrawler and Meggan have pointy ears. Why not Jean-Paul and Jean-Marie?

- Peter

Slayven
07-16-2004, 11:43 PM
mutant vogue

Anon_me
07-17-2004, 12:00 AM
And when they were growing up, wouldn't people have found the pointy ears strange.

riotgear
07-17-2004, 01:05 AM
They are not half-elf, that was retconned. Just a physical mutation. Why does Namor have pointed ears? (That was a rhetorical question)

Anon_me
07-17-2004, 01:08 AM
They were actually half elves? :eek:

Grendel0606
07-17-2004, 06:59 AM
They were actually half elves? :eek:
See the above post. They weren't. That was editorial back-pedaling after Mantlo had started a story where Northstar was dying of Aids.
Being the only known gay MArvel hero at the time, he, of course, just HAD to be HIV positive....
:rolleyes:

Jack Flash
07-17-2004, 07:19 AM
was it AIDS/HIV or was it some similar sickness?

Huzzah!
07-17-2004, 03:34 PM
it was elf sickness.


here's your ball marvel, i think you dropped it

Gingold
07-17-2004, 06:56 PM
That had to be one of the sillier Marvel decisions of all time- Northstar's not gay at all- he's a fairy. :)

When was that mess disposed of? When James Hudnall was writing AF? And whatever happened to Purple Girl, Goblyn, Laura Dean, and Manakin? Are they still around?

DDM
07-17-2004, 07:06 PM
That had to be one of the sillier Marvel decisions of all time- Northstar's not gay at all- he's a fairy. :)

When was that mess disposed of? When James Hudnall was writing AF? And whatever happened to Purple Girl, Goblyn, Laura Dean, and Manakin? Are they still around?

Alpha Flight #48-50 (volume 1)

When Northstar & Aurora left in #50, the original Alpha Flight had been decimated:

Guardian (James Hudson): deceased
Snowbird: deceased
Sasquatch: "deceased" only to be resurrected in Snowbird's slain Sasquatch body; Walter Langowski became Wanda Langowski. He was later turned back into his original male body.
Marrina: deceased
Puck: quit the team
Northstar & Aurora: Quit the team
Shaman: became Talisman
Talisman: quit the team

Vindictator (Heather Hudson) had to rebuild Alpha Flight from the ground up with Wanda Langowski.

I missed the original Alpha Flight, although, technically, the team disbanded before Alpha Flight #1 from Uncanny X-Men #139-140 when the team lost government funding.

Anon_me
07-17-2004, 08:07 PM
How do people like Unus and Radius do normal everyday stuff if they're surronded by a force field that they can't turn off? I mean, how do they shower, brush their teeth, use the toilet, or even eat and dress since food and clothes would just hit against the force field. And, Radius is Unus' son yes?

Other question...When was it first implied that Ultimate Colossus was gay? I first got wind of that when Angel showed up.

Oh yeah, about the Psylocke's modelling career being a cover w/o substance, it was a cover but she was still featured in magazines and runways, and Beast made a comment about how he had a crush on her when she was a supermodel (before he joined the X-Men) which implies to me, that Psylocke was probably one of the oldest X-Men.

Sabre
07-17-2004, 10:30 PM
Unus can usually turn off his field when he wants to. There were a couple of periods when he couldn't, and he *was* starving and unable to breathe. That's what caused his supposed 'death'.

As for Radius (who was stated by some adoption agency to be Unus' son, yes), he had to use a special apparatus to eat. I'm not sure how he did anything else.

Gingold
07-18-2004, 07:57 AM
Other question...When was it first implied that Ultimate Colossus was gay? I first got wind of that when Angel showed up.



Pretty early on in the series. I think it was first hinted at in the second storyline, when Colossus is upset that Wolverine's gone.

The Fury
07-20-2004, 08:04 AM
Just had a thought. Jean Grey had a psychic link to Scott, right? Now as Jean is technically alive in wherever she is, would this psychic link still work? Increased by the Phoenix Force obviously.

I only thought of this after re-reading Earth X where Scott can still talking to Jean even though she is in the realm of the dead.

mattbib
07-20-2004, 08:26 AM
Just had a thought. Jean Grey had a psychic link to Scott, right? Now as Jean is technically alive in wherever she is, would this psychic link still work? Increased by the Phoenix Force obviously.

I only thought of this after re-reading Earth X where Scott can still talking to Jean even though she is in the realm of the dead.The link was broken when Scott "died" (merged with Apocalypse) and was never reestablished.

The Fury
07-20-2004, 03:20 PM
The link was broken when Scott "died" (merged with Apocalypse) and was never reestablished.
Well, that answered that. :)

mgs
07-21-2004, 12:10 AM
*bump*

Yes, of course, Beast was made into a catlike creature......duh!

Another mutant with claws is only one more way to get different writers to write about Wolverine without over-saturation!

Dave?
07-21-2004, 07:31 AM
I stopped reading X-Titles after GenX, X-Force, etc. died. But recently, I've been picking them back up. I read the first 3 New X-Men TPB. Anyway I've been trying to get a handle on what I missed. So I've got a some stupid questions for anybody that would be willing to point me in the right direction or answer them.

1) Who is Sage and where did she come from? Is there any reason she looks suspeciously like Betsy Braddock?

2) What happened to 'Poccy and Sinister?

Sean Walsh
07-21-2004, 07:39 AM
Sage is Tessa, Sebastian Shaw's old colleague from the Hellfire Club.

Apocalypse is dead (killed by Cable in the Search for Cyclops miniseries in late '99).

Mr. Sinister is MIA, although he briefly appeared last year in WEAPON X.

Wycross
07-21-2004, 07:48 AM
Sage is formerly known as Tessa, the Black King Sebastian Shaw's assistant. She joined the X-Men in X-Treme X-Men.

Apocalypse seemingly was destroyed in the resolution of his merge with Cyclops after the Twelve story.

static
07-21-2004, 07:19 PM
man i hate to even ask at this point considering its Chuck Austen Wirting this book and i can imagine the standard "Austen is oblivious to continuity and a hack " comments but i thought he died in the V battalion mini series....heck i could be wrong so hopefully there was some vaugeness to his demise or at least a mention of how he is alive and kicking in X men 159??

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/reviews/101614579799346.htm

mattbib
07-21-2004, 09:44 PM
Nope, I also believe he died in Citizen V & The V-Battalion: The Everlasting.

Austen again misses the mark.

Brian Cronin
07-22-2004, 01:09 AM
I think there was a least SOME vagueness to the death of the Collective Man in Citizen V....so I didn't have a big problem with it.

-Brian

Kirayoshi
07-22-2004, 01:34 AM
How do people like Unus and Radius do normal everyday stuff if they're surronded by a force field that they can't turn off? I mean, how do they shower, brush their teeth, use the toilet, or even eat and dress since food and clothes would just hit against the force field. And, Radius is Unus' son yes?
Y'see, I had a similar thought during the Mutant Massacre story, when Kitty was stuck in a permanent phased state. She was unable to touch anything, which logically implied that she couldn't eat or drink. So she was out of the lineup for a while, until she co-founded Excalibur. And in the first issues of Excalibur she looked pretty hale and hearty for someone who was unable to eat or drink for months.

Another dumb question; I recently thumbed through the Secret Wars tpb, and noticed the girl Peter fell for. My question; WHAT WAS PETER THINKING? Kitty was way better looking than that alien skank! Plus she could actually speak in languages that Peter could understand!

Sorry, but it had to be said!

Vector
07-22-2004, 02:05 AM
Another dumb question; I recently thumbed through the Secret Wars tpb, and noticed the girl Peter fell for. My question; WHAT WAS PETER THINKING? Kitty was way better looking than that alien skank! Plus she could actually speak in languages that Peter could understand!

Sorry, but it had to be said!

Its best to forget about Secret Wars. :p

Dizzy D
07-22-2004, 05:13 AM
Y'see, I had a similar thought during the Mutant Massacre story, when Kitty was stuck in a permanent phased state. She was unable to touch anything, which logically implied that she couldn't eat or drink. So she was out of the lineup for a while, until she co-founded Excalibur. And in the first issues of Excalibur she looked pretty hale and hearty for someone who was unable to eat or drink for months.


Read X-men vs. Fantastic Four about how Kitty was cured. Reed Richards and Dr. Doom cooperated on her cure.

Sheldon
07-22-2004, 05:19 AM
Everyone should read that LS. It rules. Little Franklin trying to get his fingers right to tell Kitty that elephant story is one of my all time favorite comic moments.

Dussan
07-22-2004, 10:44 AM
Everyone should read that LS. It rules. Little Franklin trying to get his fingers right to tell Kitty that elephant story is one of my all time favorite comic moments.

Oh my god! I remember that issue.

When storm didn't have any powers, and the X-men went up against the Fantastic Four.

I remember that because it was one of those times when Ben Grimm was out of the team and She-Hulk was taken his spot.

Sheldon
07-22-2004, 10:48 AM
Yeah it was a good one. Jen and Ben were both there, as Jen decided to tag along for the trip. I love the look on Jen's face when she smells the cigar smoke in the library....

Kirayoshi
07-22-2004, 11:08 AM
Read X-men vs. Fantastic Four about how Kitty was cured. Reed Richards and Dr. Doom cooperated on her cure.
I know how they saved her, but what I want to know is how she survived prior to that story. Unless the Shi'ar technology somehow managed to get H2O molecules to her in such a way that they wouldn't pass through her body, the poor girl should have died of thirst before then.

I'm so glad that the Shi'ar have severed all ties with the X-Men. Those birdbrains were getting too deus ex machina.

Dizzy D
07-22-2004, 02:51 PM
I know how they saved her, but what I want to know is how she survived prior to that story. Unless the Shi'ar technology somehow managed to get H2O molecules to her in such a way that they wouldn't pass through her body, the poor girl should have died of thirst before then.

I'm so glad that the Shi'ar have severed all ties with the X-Men. Those birdbrains were getting too deus ex machina.

I bet it was Moira who figured out something: Kitty had to stay in some tube-thing on Muir, I bet she was also able to eat somehow in that thing.

Stagier
07-22-2004, 03:03 PM
well, maybe she doesn't have to breath or eat anymore when phases. i remember her having to hold her breath early on, but not anymore, or those who travel with her, since x-ladies were talking while traveling into the earth during prisoner.

colossus didn't and chamber doesn't have to eat or breath. so it might work for kitty as well.

my question is does bobby turn into organic ice? or just regular ice. and what happened to his power being amped up, during x-men forever? i don't think i understood that limited too well. anyone got cliffnote?

while we are on organic, what the hell does that mean? organic steel, diamonds and maybe ice. if bobby chipped a piece off and put it into ice tea, would it be like (not physically, mentally) drinking flesh? is emma worth anything?

also, when bobby gets iced, some artists draw him transparent, okay cool visual, but technically shouldn't we be able to see his bones and organs?

nubly
07-22-2004, 03:09 PM
two quick questions.

how many issues is the x-men: search for cyclops series?

which issue did cerebro first appeared?

The Fury
07-22-2004, 03:48 PM
how many issues is the x-men: search for cyclops series?

4 EDIT: Just checked and there are actual double covers for issues # 1, 2 and 3 as well. Just incase your interested.

I haven't found any info on Cerebro's first appearence yet.

The Fury
07-22-2004, 03:57 PM
Blingo Blango! - Found it.

According to this review of Uncanny X-men #7, located here (http://funkdiggityfresh.com/review54.html), that is it's first appearence.

spoon_jenkins
07-22-2004, 04:00 PM
Cerebro first appeared in (Uncanny) X-Men #7 published in September 1964.

Dizzy D
07-22-2004, 04:07 PM
well, maybe she doesn't have to breath or eat anymore when phases. i remember her having to hold her breath early on, but not anymore, or those who travel with her, since x-ladies were talking while traveling into the earth during prisoner.

colossus didn't and chamber doesn't have to eat or breath. so it might work for kitty as well.

my question is does bobby turn into organic ice? or just regular ice. and what happened to his power being amped up, during x-men forever? i don't think i understood that limited too well. anyone got cliffnote?

while we are on organic, what the hell does that mean? organic steel, diamonds and maybe ice. if bobby chipped a piece off and put it into ice tea, would it be like (not physically, mentally) drinking flesh? is emma worth anything?

also, when bobby gets iced, some artists draw him transparent, okay cool visual, but technically shouldn't we be able to see his bones and organs?

Kitty does need to breath in phased form: it's a recurring weakness throughout Excalibur and her later X-men appearances.

Cliffnotes for X-men Forever: Jean, Iceman, Juggernaut, Toad and Mystique are sent on time trips throughout history and the future by Prosh to learn humanity's (and mutantdoms) final fate: replacing the cosmic gods as new cosmic gods. In fact the Stranger is behind this and he wants to use Prosh to control the mutants and thereby control the future cosmic gods. Prosh doublecrosses him, because the time-trip taught these 5 exactly what they needed to defeat the Stranger. Prosh and Stranger end up trapped and the 5 escape (Prosh sacrifices his freedom to take the Stranger with him.)

This story did amp Iceman's powers, but apart from Casey (and that is only in the post-Poptopia issues), nobody seemed to remember.

Organic means in chemical terms that there are carbohydrates present, the building blocks of all life. It doesn't mean it's flesh or alive.

Bobby used to just cover himself with ice, but he has been capable of changing his complete body to ice for a long, long time by now (somewhere 70s he started.)

spoon_jenkins
07-22-2004, 04:23 PM
while we are on organic, what the hell does that mean? organic steel, diamonds and maybe ice. if bobby chipped a piece off and put it into ice tea, would it be like (not physically, mentally) drinking flesh? is emma worth anything?


Organic means in chemical terms that there are carbohydrates present, the building blocks of all life. It doesn't mean it's flesh or alive.

In term "organic chemistry", I think organic refers to any carbon compound, not just carbohydrates. But organic can also refer to something that's part of an organism. I'm pretty sure this is the case with Colossus. When he turns in to organic steel that means he's turning into living steel. I think at times it was referred to as living steel. I think the point of referred to him as living steel was to point out that the steel was a part of his body as opposed to, for example, a suit of armor that appeared on his body from some alternate dimension.

Anon_me
07-22-2004, 04:32 PM
I'm not sure that Bobby actually did the flesh to ice thing in the 70s, he just refined it so that the outer shell didn't look like a snowman. It was only in the 90s, I think when it was first introduced that he could actually convert his entire body into ice.

Dizzy D
07-22-2004, 05:21 PM
I'm not sure that Bobby actually did the flesh to ice thing in the 70s, he just refined it so that the outer shell didn't look like a snowman. It was only in the 90s, I think when it was first introduced that he could actually convert his entire body into ice.

He turned into complete ice in the Champions series, he moved back to just covering in X-factor.

Stagier
07-23-2004, 06:30 AM
whoa.. thanks for the info peeps.

Back to kitty, i remember it being a hinderance, but lately the way she has been using her power she's been talking and other people have been as well. now i suggest everyone try talking, A LOT and try not to breath. maybe this is just one big editorial mistake, that has been going on for a while.

OR she found a way to phase and not have to breath, like when Banshee learned to fly and talk at the same time, which also doesn't sound to plausible, hum and talk at the same time? but of course we are talking about super people.

Also, in the recent issue of New X-men, Dani needed emma for cererbra/o? so when did it revert back to telepaths only again? I ask cause dani is somewhat psychic no? or was that xi'an. and even wolverine has used cerebra, which didn't make any sense to me, during revolutions to find jean?

donatien
08-04-2004, 12:19 PM
So I just read the first issue of X-Men: The End and I am lost. I haven't read comics in a few years and am just getting back in. I had no idea abouot the white queen being with Cyclops or Ororo being in a wheelchair or Professor X being in Genosha or Jean Grey having been dead. What are some good TPBs to read to catch up? Any help is appreciated.

Flight
08-04-2004, 12:22 PM
Read Grant Morrison's New X-Men run for the info on Grey/Summers/Frost and Xavier
I have no clue about Ororo in a wheelchair lol!

Anon_me
08-04-2004, 12:27 PM
Also, in the recent issue of New X-men, Dani needed emma for cererbra/o? so when did it revert back to telepaths only again? I ask cause dani is somewhat psychic no? or was that xi'an. and even wolverine has used cerebra, which didn't make any sense to me, during revolutions to find jean?

Maybe Cerebra is different from Cerebro. I have no idea but Dani has used Cerebo in the past.

mattbib
08-04-2004, 12:38 PM
I have no clue about Ororo in a wheelchair lol!Storm's spine was injured by Viper, and worsened in battle with Khan and his concubines. Check out the X-Treme X-Men: Invasion (http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/current/tpb.asp?id=128) TPB.

grampa doowop
08-04-2004, 02:32 PM
So I bought and have been reading the Marvel Masterpieces: X-Men Vol. 1, B. Dalton Bookstore edition trade paperback. It includes Giant Size X-Men #1 and (Uncanny) X-Men # 94-100. In issue #98, I believe Professor X is on vacation, relaxing on a boat with Dr. Peter Corbeau. They are attacked by a new Sentinel, and Chuck knocks it out with a mindblast. Now I know that Charles is "the most powerful mutant mind on the planet," but telepathic energy shouldn't affect a robot, should it? Or maybe I am missing something. I realize telepathic energy is energy, but isn't it energy that only manipulates brainwaves? Are there other examples of telepathy being used like this?

Also, in reality, would psionic and magnetic powers really be visible? I mean maybe the effects of telekinesis and magnetism are visible, but if mutants were real, would we really see neon colors surrounding a telepath's/telekinetic's head or a magnetism-wielder's :( hands, while using their powers?

Dizzy D
08-09-2004, 02:02 PM
So I bought and have been reading the Marvel Masterpieces: X-Men Vol. 1, B. Dalton Bookstore edition trade paperback. It includes Giant Size X-Men #1 and (Uncanny) X-Men # 94-100. In issue #98, I believe Professor X is on vacation, relaxing on a boat with Dr. Peter Corbeau. They are attacked by a new Sentinel, and Chuck knocks it out with a mindblast. Now I know that Charles is "the most powerful mutant mind on the planet," but telepathic energy shouldn't affect a robot, should it? Or maybe I am missing something. I realize telepathic energy is energy, but isn't it energy that only manipulates brainwaves? Are there other examples of telepathy being used like this?

Also, in reality, would psionic and magnetic powers really be visible? I mean maybe the effects of telekinesis and magnetism are visible, but if mutants were real, would we really see neon colors surrounding a telepath's/telekinetic's head or a magnetism-wielder's :( hands, while using their powers?

To the first one: I believe it has been explained that the Sentinel's internal network resemble the human nervous system so much that telepaths have some limited effect on them (at least some types of Sentinels)

To the second one: Magnetism shouldn't be visible. God knows what telepathy would look like in real life. I like the way it was shown in the movies.

Stagier
08-09-2004, 02:46 PM
yeah i remember in the old letter pages, it was said that things like TK weren't visible so the pinkness is just for us.
BUT every so often writers write that you CAN see things like TK. even claremont, so who knows.

Anon_me
08-09-2004, 02:59 PM
I remember one issue of Excalibur where Captain Britian explained the telepathic glow was "psionically induced atmospheric ionization" or some such; well, it had Allistar Straut playing with the glow with his fingers so it was visible :p

Anon_me
08-13-2004, 04:06 PM
Psylocke's purple hair...why would she dye it purple? I mean, come on..that's not the most inconspicious colour if you're a spy, and isn't it a coincidence that Kwannon (pre-merge) would also have dyed her hair purple? :p And Polaris...is the green hair a part of her mutation or does she dye it too?

Speaking of Psylocke, I was re-reading Mutant Massacre and doesn't the whole "spy training before she joined the X-Men" thing kind of conflict with how physically inept she was during her fight with Sabertooth?

Huzzah!
08-13-2004, 04:25 PM
Psylocke's purple hair...why would she dye it purple? I mean, come on..that's not the most inconspicious colour if you're a spy, and isn't it a coincidence that Kwannon (pre-merge) would also have dyed her hair purple? :p And Polaris...is the green hair a part of her mutation or does she dye it too?


Well she was a world famous model as well, so being noticed, or rather not being noticed, wasnt needed.

Speaking of Psylocke, I was re-reading Mutant Massacre and doesn't the whole "spy training before she joined the X-Men" thing kind of conflict with how physically inept she was during her fight with Sabertooth?

Maybe she just wasnt trained with knives.

Siddon
08-13-2004, 04:27 PM
Question: Just how much time has past since Xavier started the school?

DDM
08-13-2004, 04:34 PM
Psylocke's purple hair...why would she dye it purple? I mean, come on..that's not the most inconspicious colour if you're a spy, and isn't it a coincidence that Kwannon (pre-merge) would also have dyed her hair purple? :p And Polaris...is the green hair a part of her mutation or does she dye it too?

Speaking of Psylocke, I was re-reading Mutant Massacre and doesn't the whole "spy training before she joined the X-Men" thing kind of conflict with how physically inept she was during her fight with Sabertooth?

Betsy explains her purple hair to Brian in the Mighty World of Marvel (reprinted in the Captain Britain TPB); she's a former fashion model & the story was published at the height of punk/new wave.

Betsy was trained to be a spy, but she didn't know how to wield Storm's knife. Where's the conflict?

DDM
08-13-2004, 04:34 PM
Question: Just how much time has past since Xavier started the school?

Approximately 10 years

Anon_me
08-13-2004, 04:50 PM
Betsy was trained to be a spy, but she didn't know how to wield Storm's knife. Where's the conflict?

I don't know. Just that in the flashbacks in Xtreme, they showed Betsy being trained in h2h combat so she had training in that area.

The Lucky One
08-13-2004, 09:25 PM
Speaking of Psylocke, I was re-reading Mutant Massacre and doesn't the whole "spy training before she joined the X-Men" thing kind of conflict with how physically inept she was during her fight with Sabertooth?

I see where you're coming from, but not really; James Bond/Jason Bourne movies aside, I don't imagine most spies are capable of killing 90 guys while skiing on one ski down a 179 degree mountain face while blindfolded. Betts was a psychic spy, training in using her telepathy for espionage; but given the nature of her powers, actual physical work was probably never anticipated, and training thus minimal.

-D

Anon_me
08-13-2004, 09:58 PM
Ok...I see that. How about Polaris' hair? :p

And here's something else...Emma, Jean, Betsy, and Ororo are supposedly the hottest/prettiest of the X-women. So, flip side of the coin, who's suppose to be the best-looking men of the X? :p

Stagier
08-13-2004, 10:55 PM
isn't it pretty much understood that all x-women are hot? isn't that a requirement? i mean name one x-woman that isn't supposed to be hot. even the school nurse is young and nubile. most of the physically unattractive mutations go to me. beast, beak, etc.

polaris's hair is natural from what i understand. don't know if that was ever stated.

The Lucky One
08-13-2004, 11:03 PM
isn't it pretty much understood that all x-women are hot? isn't that a requirement? i mean name one x-woman that isn't supposed to be hot. even the school nurse is young and nubile. most of the physically unattractive mutations go to me. beast, beak, etc.

polaris's hair is natural from what i understand. don't know if that was ever stated.

It's natural; in one of her early appearances, her blonde (brown?) wig was pulled off to reveal her naturally green hair. It's her primary mutation, actually; the magnetic powers are a latent mutation that was brought out through the use of machinery later.

And the OLD school nurse, Sharon Friedlander, wasn't quite as hot, I didn't think. Still not ugly, of course. (Don't speak ill of the dead and all that.)

-D

Anon_me
08-13-2004, 11:17 PM
Shadowcat is suppose to be your average girl; not ugly but not hot, just average.

So, Polaris' primary mutation is to have green hair? :rolleyes:

Rachel Grey
08-14-2004, 02:00 AM
Shadowcat is suppose to be your average girl; not ugly but not hot, just average.

So, Polaris' primary mutation is to have green hair? :rolleyes:

Holy crap! That's average?! I saw her on the cover of the Prisoner of Fire TPB and I allmost came in my skirt! :eek:

The Fury
08-14-2004, 03:23 AM
Psylocke's purple hair...why would she dye it purple? I mean, come on..that's not the most inconspicious colour if you're a spy, and isn't it a coincidence that Kwannon (pre-merge) would also have dyed her hair purple? :p And Polaris...is the green hair a part of her mutation or does she dye it too?

Adding to the Psylocke thing, It was the 80s when she first died it, so any type of crap hair style can be explained by the 80s. And Kwannon, well some people may have got confused if she was blonde.


I allmost came in my skirt! :eek:
Way, way, way too much information.

venuscameback
08-14-2004, 05:12 AM
So I just read the first issue of X-Men: The End and I am lost. I haven't read comics in a few years and am just getting back in. I had no idea abouot the white queen being with Cyclops or Ororo being in a wheelchair or Professor X being in Genosha or Jean Grey having been dead. What are some good TPBs to read to catch up? Any help is appreciated.
Bishop & Deathbird's daughter is a teenager, so that should mean the story is set 20 or so years into the future.

So these things are all possible future developments on what's happening in the x-books now.

What Xavier is doing in Genosha, the activities he is particpating in are very different to what he is currently doing there. Although no doubt it's likely the plot could head that way soon, it hasn't yet.

Presumably Ororo's wheelchair has nothing directly to do with the chair (which was a regular collapsable chair, not the hi-tech, neck down one pictured in X-Men: The End) she used after the injuries in XXM

DLW

venuscameback
08-14-2004, 05:23 AM
Speaking of Psylocke, I was re-reading Mutant Massacre and doesn't the whole "spy training before she joined the X-Men" thing kind of conflict with how physically inept she was during her fight with Sabertooth?
Physically inept?

Given she has no powers that relate to combat, I think she aquitted herself really well!

Sure, she wasn't his match physically, but I can't see how any other character with similar levels of experience and human fighting skills/strength would do any better.

Most spies and army personnel are going to look weak against Sabretooth - look how many grunts he takes out in other books, witohut breaking sweat!

DLW

mattbib
08-14-2004, 07:49 AM
Plus, since her training with STRIKE, she had been through hell and back what with being blinded and nearly killed by Slaymaster. She hadn't seen combat in quite some time.

DDM
08-14-2004, 07:53 AM
Plus, since her training with STRIKE, she had been through hell and back what with being blinded and nearly killed by Slaymaster. She hadn't seen combat in quite some time.

Betsy was also Mojo & Spiral's new toy for a time before she was rescued by the New Mutants...

Stagier
08-14-2004, 08:15 AM
She hadn't seen combat in quite some time.

literally..bwahahaha

I thought sharon was supposed to be above average, and kitty is now drawn to be a sex kitten. she used to be average.

i think that betsy's fighting/strike training is a retcon. when was it first said that she was a part of strike? i don't remember her doing any physical fighting until her asian body came to play. not with sabertooth round one, not in australia.. but maybe i am not remembering correctly.

Grendel0606
08-14-2004, 10:20 AM
literally..bwahahaha

I thought sharon was supposed to be above average, and kitty is now drawn to be a sex kitten. she used to be average.

i think that betsy's fighting/strike training is a retcon. when was it first said that she was a part of strike?
Yes and no. Betsy was revealed to be a part of STRIKE when Alan Moore reintroduced her into the CAptain Britain strip (which was also when she first sported the pruple hair, as she was still a fashion model), BUT, she only was a member of STRIKE's psi-division and all of those members were pretty crap fighters - obviously having had no fighting training at all (the storyline that introduced them had most of them killed off by Slaymaster). Several, such as Betsy's best pal Alison Double were also physically very weak. In fact, when Claremont introdced Betsy to the New Mutants and later X-Men he made this one of her defining characteristcs: She so badly wanted to be a great physical fighter and clearly wasn't.
So the STRIKE thing wasn't a retcon. Betsy being an actual spy and fighter is one, however.

Anon_me
08-14-2004, 03:34 PM
Yeah...that was what I was thinking of. How when she got her Japanese body, she reveled in the sheer physical sensation it had but later, she was shown not to be as physically frail as all that.

Oh...I don't think Boomer, Skids, or Karma are suppose to be knockouts...and I don't recall Cecilia being protrayed as a sexpot either; did she ever get a codename, btw?

Vector
08-14-2004, 04:09 PM
Physically inept?

Given she has no powers that relate to combat, I think she aquitted herself really well!




Me too. She foughht bravely and even threw a weight at him. Sabretooth kills most normal people very quickly.

Rachel Grey
08-14-2004, 11:21 PM
Way, way, way too much information.

Whoops, sorry.

Dizzy D
08-15-2004, 02:56 PM
Ok...I see that. How about Polaris' hair? :p

And here's something else...Emma, Jean, Betsy, and Ororo are supposedly the hottest/prettiest of the X-women. So, flip side of the coin, who's suppose to be the best-looking men of the X? :p

Pure physical looks?

Either Longshot or Warren. Longshot has had a phonebook full of phone-numbers of girls who met him and Callisto once kidnapped Warren because he was considered to be the most handsome man in the world.

I believe it was Jim Lee who said that Gambit was drawn too pretty by him: Claremont was thinking of a guy that had charisma rather than looks.

The Lucky One
08-15-2004, 09:46 PM
Pure physical looks?

Either Longshot or Warren. Longshot has had a phonebook full of phone-numbers of girls who met him and Callisto once kidnapped Warren because he was considered to be the most handsome man in the world.

I believe it was Jim Lee who said that Gambit was drawn too pretty by him: Claremont was thinking of a guy that had charisma rather than looks.

Yeah, Longshot really had that David Bowie androgyny that was so popular back in the 80s; nowadays it might be a bit more difficult for modern readers to understand why he was considered so hot. (The mullet, while classic, IS pretty outdated; of course, Spidey made fun of it even back then, so...) But yeah, a lot of the X-Women and female New Mutants fell in love with him at first sight, including Kitty, Rogue, and Dazzler.

As for Gambit, didn't Claremont say that he originally envisioned him as looking like John Malkovich, tying in with that whole charisma instead of looks thing?

-D

Stagier
08-16-2004, 12:46 PM
As for Gambit, didn't Claremont say that he originally envisioned him as looking like John Malkovich, tying in with that whole charisma instead of looks thing?

-D

yes, jim lee doesn't know how to draw ugly people.

so out of all the men, angel and longshot? that it? i think roberto always had a player vibe about him, latino and all.
sounds like slim pickings for the women...

Dizzy D
08-16-2004, 01:42 PM
yes, jim lee doesn't know how to draw ugly people.

so out of all the men, angel and longshot? that it? i think roberto always had a player vibe about him, latino and all.
sounds like slim pickings for the women...

Most of the X-guys seem to be attractive (even unexpected ones like Beast*), but with Longshot and Angel they really made a point about how attractive they were.

*= who at one point thought that he was releasing some type of pheromones as an explanation for the amount of female attention he was receiving.

roguestorm
08-16-2004, 02:43 PM
Well ultimate Collossus has fancied Logan from the start.....

why is everyone using the word fancy concerning ultimate colossaus sexuality?

roguestorm
08-16-2004, 02:51 PM
Yeah i know that. What im saying is that the modeling thing was part of the secret agent job. She presented herself as a model, with covers and what nots, as a ...well....cover



no, betsy acctually was a model even in her eulogy issue it's shown.

roguestorm
08-16-2004, 03:49 PM
yeah i remember in the old letter pages, it was said that things like TK weren't visible so the pinkness is just for us.
BUT every so often writers write that you CAN see things like TK. even claremont, so who knows.


telekinesis and telepathy only become visable when the wielder is putting an extremely strong amount of force on there powers.

DDM
08-16-2004, 03:50 PM
no, betsy acctually was a model even in her eulogy issue it's shown.

Betsy's model photos were shown in Excalibur Special Edition #1 when Meggan discovered various Betsy photos all over the floor of Brian's lighthouse. Claremont re-emphasized Betsy was a world famous model in X-Treme X-Men #4. Betsy, of course, mentioned it in passing to Brian in the Mighty World of Marvel when Slaymaster was murdering all the STRIKE psi-operatives....

Huzzah!
08-16-2004, 04:45 PM
I know she was a model, what im saying is that seems more likely a cover for her real job. She doesnt see to be the type to be a model on her own.

atoningunifex
08-16-2004, 05:32 PM
why is everyone using the word fancy concerning ultimate colossaus sexuality?

Because saying "Petey spanks the monkey thinking about Logan's other claw" scares the conservatives.

Anon_me
08-16-2004, 09:43 PM
Well ultimate Collossus has fancied Logan from the start.....

Fancy in this case equals likes, nothing really to do with sexual orientation.

Stagier
08-17-2004, 09:59 PM
telekinesis and telepathy only become visable when the wielder is putting an extremely strong amount of force on there powers.

really? where is this coming from? what about the other powers? lorna's magnetics, havok etc?

Anon_me
08-17-2004, 10:24 PM
They're visible because if they were not, all we'd ever see would be people sitting in deep concentration or waving their hands about for no apparent reason :p

Slayven
08-18-2004, 06:22 AM
What ever happened to Plasma, Havok's other X?

Flight
08-18-2004, 06:30 AM
she's pushing daises

Stagier
08-21-2004, 01:30 PM
whatever happend to the boy who went with bishop to that other dimension? michael? bishop came back and left him there with those lame mutants no?

LiNo
08-22-2004, 12:10 AM
How come in the new X-Force book, Cable's triple scar has moved from his right eye to his left glowing eye? was this explained at any point or is it just Liefeld being Liefeld (Bless 'im!)?

Anon_me
08-22-2004, 01:31 PM
Is Astrid Bloom at the end of Emma Frost #14 in any way significant? The name sounds kind of familiar.

Crimson
08-22-2004, 02:03 PM
Approximately 10 years

Wow... Scott ain't doing bad with all his kids/serious relationships/marriages for 10 years.

Qadeer
08-22-2004, 02:04 PM
I was reading the preview of Uncanny X-men 448 on http://www.popcultureshock.com/reviews.php?id=3211 and they were talking about viper

mattbib
08-22-2004, 02:15 PM
Check this (http://68.237.107.253:8000/viper.html) out.

mattbib
08-22-2004, 02:17 PM
Is Astrid Bloom at the end of Emma Frost #14 in any way significant? The name sounds kind of familiar.I don't believe so. I didn't recall the name, so I did a web search and found nothing.

Qadeer
08-22-2004, 02:43 PM
thanks alot

roguestorm
08-22-2004, 03:06 PM
How come in the new X-Force book, Cable's triple scar has moved from his right eye to his left glowing eye? was this explained at any point or is it just Liefeld being Liefeld (Bless 'im!)?


i'd take it as liefeld being liefeld.

roguestorm
08-22-2004, 03:12 PM
vipers always been cool. i just think it's a shame that they decided to remove her scar over her eye which was why her hair was always covering one of them.

Anon_me
08-22-2004, 03:17 PM
Viper is the ex-Mrs. Logan ;)

DDM
08-22-2004, 03:19 PM
Claremont hinted that Viper was Jessica Drew's biological mother in Spider-Woman, but he left the book after a short stint (specifically, Spider-Woman #39-41); therefore, Claremont was not able to develop the plot properly.

roguestorm
08-22-2004, 08:31 PM
lol who's jessica drew?

mattbib
08-22-2004, 08:33 PM
lol who's jessica drew?Spider-Woman I

Grendel0606
08-22-2004, 11:50 PM
Claremont hinted that Viper was Jessica Drew's biological mother in Spider-Woman, but he left the book after a short stint (specifically, Spider-Woman #39-41); therefore, Claremont was not able to develop the plot properly.

Claremont didn't hint that Viper was Meriem Drew, he made it quite clear that she was, but editor MArk Grunwald hated that subplot and retconne it away, so those issues aren't in continuity anymore

roguestorm
08-23-2004, 10:08 AM
Claremont didn't hint that Viper was Meriem Drew, he made it quite clear that she was, but editor MArk Grunwald hated that subplot and retconne it away, so those issues aren't in continuity anymore


then, why did the editor allow him to go through with it? geez marvel hires to worst editors ever.

Stagier
08-28-2004, 03:39 PM
ok
back when jim lee was drawing x and they were all together in shi'ar with the skrull imposters etc. who was the bald chick tied up with xavier and oracle? was that ever answered?

Anon_me
08-28-2004, 07:02 PM
I wondered too and I guessed maybe Binary?

Huzzah!
08-28-2004, 08:23 PM
Probably a telepath. I dont recall that instance off the top of my head so i cant really help there.

Huzzah!
08-28-2004, 08:24 PM
then, why did the editor allow him to go through with it? geez marvel hires to worst editors ever.

Because editors are failed writers the same way producers (generally) are failed musicians.

Jack Flash
08-31-2004, 06:05 AM
Ok, with all the Hellfire club hullabaloo going on, can anyone point me in the direction of the HFC that was in London against Excalibur? Who were it's members again. I know Margoli Szardszos (I know I murdered the spelling) was involved, but I just don't remember the issue well enough.

Stagier
08-31-2004, 10:11 AM
i don't remember either, but they had mad more members no? even a whole new color red! and rooks and other chess pieces. scribe was one. that's all i got.

DDM
08-31-2004, 12:18 PM
Ok, with all the Hellfire club hullabaloo going on, can anyone point me in the direction of the HFC that was in London against Excalibur? Who were it's members again. I know Margoli Szardszos (I know I murdered the spelling) was involved, but I just don't remember the issue well enough.

I believe the first appearance of the London Hellfire Club was in the Mighty World of Marvel (Alan Moore/Alan Davis issues) where Sebastian Shaw was talking to Lord Imperial & James Jaspers was also a Hellfire Club member. The next London Hellfire Club appearance is Excalibur #9 when Sat-Yr-9 as Courtney Ross makes Nigel Frobisher her "slave." Margali Szardos was revealed to be a member of the London Inner Circle of the Hellfire Club in Excalibur #98-100; Szardos tried to resurrect a demon under London using Douglock's head; Szardos was also the Red Queen. However, Chris Claremont, in the FF, presented Margali Szardos as a force of good--who also controlled Limbo's "stepping discs"--& ruled Limbo. Szardos helped the FF battle the NYC Inner Circle of the Hellfire Club with Mechamage (think Iron Man with magickal armor) against Selene & Blackheart. Now Szardos proclaimed herself to be the White Queen, although Selene, the Black Queen, clearly controlled the Hellfire Club even after Blackheart & she was defeated.

Anon_me
08-31-2004, 02:17 PM
I believe the London Black Queen was Ms. Steeds (whom I believe was Damask from AoA X-caliber) and had psionic skinning powers. The Black King was human and I think the Red King was too.

Btw, who was Mechamage's real identity?

DDM
08-31-2004, 02:38 PM
I believe the London Black Queen was Ms. Steeds (whom I believe was Damask from AoA X-caliber) and had psionic skinning powers. The Black King was human and I think the Red King was too.

Btw, who was Mechamage's real identity?

Mechamage's true identity was never revealed; all we know is she is female with some kind of scar on her face. Hopefully, Mechamage will turn up in Uncanny X-Men.

Will Lockdown & Rosetta Stone reappear since Chris Claremont created them as well?

Jack Flash
09-06-2004, 02:54 PM
can anyone who read the Emma Frost series tell me info about her siblings?

I know about

Adrienne - dead at Emmas own hand (Psychometric powers)
Cordelia - part time villain/full time party girl (not sure what her powers were...)

Any other siblings???

Dizzy D
09-06-2004, 03:25 PM
I believe the London Black Queen was Ms. Steeds (whom I believe was Damask from AoA X-caliber) and had psionic skinning powers. The Black King was human and I think the Red King was too.

Btw, who was Mechamage's real identity?

Ms. Emma Steed (a nod to Emma Peel and John Steed of the Avengers, whose version of the Hellfire Club was according to some sources I read the direct inspiration for the Marvel Hellfire Club (both were in turn inspired by the historical Hellfire Club)) was indeed Damask in the Age of Apocalypse.

The Black King was human, but he had a gun with special bullets, made from the skin of a mutant, a process designed by Brian Braddock's father. (He designed the process for benevolent purposes though).

The Red King was a normal human with some swordfighting skill.

Then there was the Scribe, who had a function pretty similar to Tessa in the American Hellfire Club.

Then there was a Bishop for about five seconds seen, before Brian dethroned him and become the Bishop himself. (Don't know who was which colour.)

And even though it's some time ago, there may be some who didn't read the original so I won't spoil it here, but the villain Mountjoy had taken over the Hellfire Club member.

And there was also a London Hellfire Club in the WildC.A.T.S./X-men: modern Age crossover.

Anon_me
09-06-2004, 03:54 PM
can anyone who read the Emma Frost series tell me info about her siblings?

I know about

Adrienne - dead at Emmas own hand (Psychometric powers)
Cordelia - part time villain/full time party girl (not sure what her powers were...)

Any other siblings???

A brother, Christian (I think), who got put into an insitution by their father after he destroyed his son's life and drove him into depression. He was, as far as I know, human.

Erik F
09-06-2004, 09:22 PM
Xavier's Trade School for Mutants. :D
I can see the commercials:

<Southern Drawl> "I was stuck in a dead-end job shuffling burgers 'till I went to the Xavier Technical Institute. Now I am a three-armed Assistant Dental Hygenist. Thank you, DeVry...I mean, Xavier's!"

Expletive Deleted
09-06-2004, 09:27 PM
Then there was a Bishop for about five seconds seen, before Brian dethroned him and become the Bishop himself. (Don't know who was which colour.)The guy he defeated was the Red Bishop, but Brian was the Black Bishop. Apparently, it was a hereditary thing.

Hellfire Club London (http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/pov/showquestion.asp?faq=5&fldAuto=42)

JCMAHAL
09-07-2004, 12:04 PM
Well at metal form Colossus doesn't need to eat/breath and not affected by preassure (allowing the asumption he turns into solid steel in and out).

Here's the question, does hunger build up after he turns human? And does he/would he age at his metal form?

It would be cool if he can technically be immortal in the other form (this could extend to Emma and Bobby)

The Fury
09-07-2004, 12:48 PM
Here's the question, does hunger build up after he turns human? And does he/would he age at his metal form?

It would be cool if he can technically be immortal in the other form (this could extend to Emma and Bobby)
As far as I know only his skin and outward appearence turns to the organic metal you see, same goes for Emma with her diamond.

But as for Bobby he is Ice completely all the time, it does seem to wonder whether he does have to eat or not, he did once live as just a head after all.

The Lucky One
09-07-2004, 01:42 PM
As far as I know only his skin and outward appearence turns to the organic metal you see, same goes for Emma with her diamond.

No, all of Pete turns to steel; if it were otherwise, he would bleed real blood when cut, instead of energy. Back in the Mutant Massacre, Magneto tried to save his life by realigning energy matrices within his steel body.

And the fact that Emma was shattered back in Murder at the Mansion, with no blood or internal organs to be had, indicates that all of her turns to diamond. As does the fact that you can see through her, with no internal organs or silicone implants to be seen.
;)

-D

The Fury
09-07-2004, 01:48 PM
No, all of Pete turns to steel; if it were otherwise, he would bleed real blood when cut, instead of energy. Back in the Mutant Massacre, Magneto tried to save his life by realigning energy matrices within his steel body.

And the fact that Emma was shattered back in Murder at the Mansion, with no blood or internal organs to be had, indicates that all of her turns to diamond. As does the fact that you can see through her, with no internal organs or silicone implants to be seen.
;)

-D
Now I knew that as well, but I just didn't think of it, stupid me. Hmm, those silicone implants do seem to raise a few questions around here.

Anon_me
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