"Post your various questions about the X-men here" thread

[mattbib]

But it's also possible that since he still exists in some fashion that Cable doesn't know.

But that brings up a good point... I hate when a character passes on or disappears and then other characters who are close to the dead/missing character don't look into it.

Poor Leech.

[twilight]

Can someone tell me how these telepaths compare to each other?Maybe rank them from top to bottom?

-Xavier
-Jean
-Betsy
-Shadow King
-Emma
-Selene
-Cassandra Nova
-Shola Inkose

[Rich L]

Just guesswork but...

1=Xavier
1=Cassandra Nova
2 Shadow King
3 Jean
4 Emma
5 Betsy (before she lost her telepathy)
6 Selene
7 Shola

[Tenebrae]

Can someone tell me how these telepaths compare to each other?Maybe rank them from top to bottom?

-Xavier
-Jean
-Betsy
-Shadow King
-Emma
-Selene
-Cassandra Nova
-Shola Inkose

I think this is pretty subjective, Marvel prints those charts in their handbooks but they're notoriously unreliable.

In my own opinion, from first to last, it'd be -

Xavier
Cassandra Nova
Shadow King
Jean Grey
Emma Frost
Selene
Betsy Braddock
Shola Inkose

But like I said, very subjective. Marvel is a lot better at putting numbers on the abilities of their heroes than DC is, but telepathy is something that's difficult to quantify. Hopefully someone else will have a more definitive answer (I'm fairly sure the top two and bottom two are correct but the stuff in the middle is a bit more nebulous) but this is at least a good guide for you. :)

[The Fury]

But that brings up a good point... I hate when a character passes on or disappears and then other characters who are close to the dead/missing character don't look into it.

That's the reason i bought it up.

But you raise a good point about him not being totally dead. Gives him good reason to return.


And on the telepaths thing above, even though she's currently not a TP, i'd say TP Betsy was on Emma's level. With the added bonus of predicting the future.

[twilight]

What class strength does Warpath have?

[The Fury]

What class strength does Warpath have?
His usual strength level is about class 75, apparently he has potential for class 95 (above Things level).But currently 75-80.

[Blackcat]

A long long time ago (somewhere in the early 80's Wolverine made a one-liner of which I think is still the best one-liner ever. It went something like this: One night you'll be walking in a narrow dark street, when you look behind you, you'll see me, after that you'll see nothing..!

Does anyone remember to who he said this and in what issue?

.

[Jessica Drew]

Can Karma hold her possession of a person if she (Karma) is teleported (from-to the same general area)?

[Alpha to Omega]

His usual strength level is about class 75, apparently he has potential for class 95 (above Things level).But currently 75-80.

Thing has been updated to Class 100 for awhile even holding a 100-ton sword in each hand.

[angry monkey]

Where do you find this Strength level stuff?

[DDM]

Can Karma hold her possession of a person if she (Karma) is teleported (from-to the same general area)?

Karma has to be in a certain proximity for her powers to work. Once out of her range, she cannot possess people. The Shadow King supercharged her powers, but even he had to be in proximity to be effective.

[riotgear]

Where do you find this Strength level stuff?

According to the Marvel Handbook:

Thing
Real Name: Benjamin Jacob Grimm
Other Known Aliases: None
Former Aliases: Blackbeard the Pirate
Dual Identity: Publicly known
Status: Active
Current Occupation: Adventurer
Former Occupation: Professional wrestler, professional motorcycle stunt rider, movie actor, test pilot
Citizenship: United States of America
Legal Status: No criminal record
Place of Birth: New York City
Marital Status: Single
Known Relatives: Daniel Grimm (father, deceased), Elsie Grimm (mother, deceased), Daniel Jacob Grimm (brother, deceased), Jacob “Jake” Grimm (uncle), Alyce Grimm (aunt, deceased), Petunia “Penny” Grimm (aunt), Franklin Benjamin Richards (godson)
Known Confidants: Alicia Masters, Reed Richards, Johnny Storm, Jacob Grimm, Petunia Grimm, Dennis Dunphy (Demolition-Man), She-Hulk, Wyatt Wingfoot, Alynn Cambers, (former) Sharon Ventura (Ms. Marvel II), Alyce Grimm (deceased), Daniel Jacob Grimm (deceased), Desmond Pitt (Darkoth)
Usual Base of Operations: Baxter Building, New York City
Former Bases of Operations: Pier Four, New York City harbor; Four Freedoms Plaza, New York City; Avengers Compound, Malibu, California; Unlimited Class Wrestling Federation headquarters, Los Angeles, California; Central City, California;
Current Group Membership: Fantastic Four, Avengers (reserve member)
Former Group Membership: Avengers West Coast, Thunderiders, Unlimited Class Wrestling Federation, United States Air Force, Former leader of the Yancy Street gang
Extent of Education: College graduate
Height: 6’
Weight: 235 lbs., (rock form) 500 lbs.
Eyes: Blue
Hair: Brown, (rock form) None
Other Distinguishing Features: None, (rock form) Body is covered in an orange, flexible, rock-like hide. He has no apparent neck. He has only four fingers, including thumb, on each hand, and four toes on each foot. He has no outer ear structure.
Intelligence: Normal
Strength Level: Athlete, (rock form) Superhuman Class 90
Speed: Normal, (rock form) Enhanced human
Stamina: Normal, (rock form) Superhuman
Durability: Normal, (rock form) Superhuman
Agility: Normal
Reflexes: Normal, (rock form) Peak human
Fighting Skills: Thing is an excellent hand-to-hand combatant, trained in boxing and wrestling.
Special Skills and Abilities: Brilliant aircraft pilot
Superhuman Physical Powers: Aside from the above listed attributes, recently Ben Grimm has received the ability to change from his normal human form to his rock-like form. Previously, the rock-like body was his natural state.
Superhuman Mental Powers: None
Special Limitations: None
Source of Superhuman Powers: Mutagenic effects due to exposure to cosmic radiation; (ability to change form) Reaction to Grey Gargoyle’s touch
Costume Specifications: Unstable molecules
Personal Weaponry: None
Special Weaponry: None
Other Accessories: During periods when he has reverted to human form, Grimm has worn a robotic bodysuit which resembled his Thing form, which enhanced his strength to nearly that of the Thing’s original strength.
Transportation: Fantasticar, Pogo Plane, Skrull-designed starship, and other land and air vehicles owned by the Fantastic Four; Ben also rides motorcycles
Design and Manufacture of Paraphernalia: Reed Richards
First Appearance: FANTASTIC FOUR (vol.1) #1
Origin Issue: FANTASTIC FOUR (vol.1) #1

[Alpha to Omega]

Marvel Handbook's are an old source and have been wrong in the past.

[mattbib]

Marvel Handbook's are an old source and have been wrong in the past.Actually, there are current Handbooks that should be fairly accurate.

[The Fury]

Marvel Handbook's are an old source and have been wrong in the past.
As far as I've taken it Thing has never been a Hulk beater, he's alwasy been weaker then Hulk.

Him lifting a 100-ton sword in each hand sounds like extra powers aded for the story to me.

[Dizzy D]

Actually, there are current Handbooks that should be fairly accurate.

*should*, but they are not. I remember Brian posting the listings in the new handbooks when they came out (should be back on the old board) and we all had a good laugh at them. The intelligence listings were the funniest.

[twilight]

I was looking at a bio of Black Queen II and it said she could "psychokinetically animate any unliving materials, drain the lifeforce of other living beings to retain and increase her vitality, create and direct flame" and had "shadow-morphing allowing her to dematerialize or use solid tendrills of darkness to manipulate objects".

Can anyone explain these to me in more depth or give me examples of how she used them?

[fishtaco]

When did Chris Claremont say (about) what issue the nature of Betsy's return will be resolved?

When did he say (about) what issue the Jamie thing will be resolved?

[mattbib]

I was looking at a bio of Black Queen II and it said she could "psychokinetically animate any unliving materials, drain the lifeforce of other living beings to retain and increase her vitality, create and direct flame" and had "shadow-morphing allowing her to dematerialize or use solid tendrills of darkness to manipulate objects".

Can anyone explain these to me in more depth or give me examples of how she used them?She can animate inorganic/inanimate materials.

She drains other's energies to make herself younger, usually causing them to disintegrate.

She has the powers of Rusty and Pyro combined.

She can morph into a darkforce like substance, or can generate such substance from her body to be used as tendrils.

[twilight]

She can animate inorganic/inanimate materials.

Thats the one I couldnt get my head around.

So she could make a lamp or something attack a person?

Or create figures out of the ground?

[fishtaco]

What made Bob Harras step down as EIC? I heard a rumor that he got in a bar fight, and Marvel thought that it was bad for their image, but thats just a rumor. What happened?

[tangentman]

Thats the one I couldnt get my head around.

So she could make a lamp or something attack a person?

Or create figures out of the ground?

As a matter of fact, Selene has used BOTH of those power stunts in the past! :D She's telekinetically hurled furniture in object swarms at Rachel Summers; strangled Nightcrawler with his own costume; attacked the New Mutants with a gargoyle created from rock; psionically hurled fragments of dirt and stone at Nimrod.

[Crimson]

When did Chris Claremont say (about) what issue the nature of Betsy's return will be resolved?

When did he say (about) what issue the Jamie thing will be resolved?

He didn't... we just know its a long running storyline.

Chances are it could be dealt with in the House of M arc though.

[The Fury]

He didn't... we just know its a long running storyline.

Chances are it could be dealt with in the House of M arc though.
I'd expect the Psylocke ressurection and Jamie stories to be resolved in the same arc, but that may be a while from now, considering how Claremont writes stories.

[DDM]

I was looking at a bio of Black Queen II and it said she could "psychokinetically animate any unliving materials, drain the lifeforce of other living beings to retain and increase her vitality, create and direct flame" and had "shadow-morphing allowing her to dematerialize or use solid tendrills of darkness to manipulate objects".

Can anyone explain these to me in more depth or give me examples of how she used them?

Selene's mutant power is to psionically drain the soul, the lifeforce, into herself to sustain her youth; she is often referred to as a "vampire," but she is not a true vampire since she drains the lifeforce directly than feeding on the blood of her victims. Selene literally lives the lives of those she kills by experiencing their emotions, thoughts, & dreams; Selene has referred to herself as a Shimkah. As a result, she has several other powers in the following:


Selene can project the stolen lifeforce into inanimate objects (not true telekinesis); she can also project the lifeforce into fire. Likewise, she can turn objects into dust. For instance, Selene distergrated Rogue's gloves when Colossus was being drug underground. She animated the ground to hold Rachel.
Selene has the unexplained ability to make her victims into "psychic vampires" like herself, but she controls their wills. She can also partially drain the lifeforce of her victims to retain a psionic control over her victims too.
Selene can temporarily run as fast as Quicksilver; she can instantly hypnotize her victims. Selene often combines these two abilities to give the impression that she teleported from one place to another when, in truth, she just hypnotized her vicitms then ran at superhuman speed before the victims have recovered their wits.
Selene has superhuman strength to lift (press) 1500 pounds. She is immune to normal human wounds caused by knives or guns.
Selene possesses a psychic interface with her Cult of Fire High Priests in order to transform them into man-beasts; she gives them a certain amount of superhuman strength, a bloodlust, & a need to serve her without question. Friedrich Von Rhom was given psychic lyncapthropy powers by Selene in this manner. Rhom was not a true werewolf.
Selene is a powerful demon sorceress. All of her sorceress powers have yet to be documented, but it is known she can counteract spells & summon demons.


First Appearance: The New Mutants #9, Origin: The New Mutants #9-11. Other important appearances: The New Mutants #22-23 (applies to join the Hellfire Club), Uncanny X-Men #184 (Rachel vs Selene), Uncanny X-Men #189 (applies for the Black Queen position), Uncanny X-Men #190-191 (Selene's rival Kulan Gath is explained dating her to by as at as old as the Hyborean Age; she allied with the X-Men in this story), Uncanny X-Men 207-209 (confirmed the Hellfire Club's Black Queen), Firestar #1-4, Fantastic Four 1999 Annual (new Hellfire Club), Uncanny X-Men #448-449

Selene seems unable to drain the lifeforce of Amara Aquilla. Her psychic control of Amara is only temporary given Amara's natural affinity with the Earth. Once Amara comes in contact with the Earth, her lifeforce is renewed. (The New Mutants #9-11, Uncanny X-Men #189)

Selene had also temporarily enslaved Rachel Summers, but, given Rachel's affinity to the powers of Phoenix, it created a psychic resistance to Selene's own powers. As Phoenix, Rachel was too powerful for even Selene & altogether at Rachel's mercy. Rachel was only vulnerable when Wolverine fatally stabbed Rachel through the heart & lungs, but even her powers of Phoenix kept Rachel from dying. (Uncanny X-Men #189, 207-209)

Selene covets Rachel Summers' vast powers as Phoenix for herself. Originally, Selene wanted to transform Rachel into a psionic vampire liker herself, a "heir," in order to control Rachel's cosmic powers. However, since Selene is now disembodied, she now wanted to drain Rachel's powers to return her back to full power before she was trapped in the Hellfire Club catacombs. Selene will eventually return to full power soon enough when she drains enough lifeforce. Selene is allies with Elias Bogan. Selene is also said to be biologically related to Amara Aquilla (Magma) make her Amara's great great grandmother. Amara hates Selene for murdering her mother.

[MrBiggs7]

I read in another thread that Siryn is currently in X-Force. Did she get her vocal chords back? How?

[streator]

I read in another thread that Siryn is currently in X-Force. Did she get her vocal chords back? How?
in x-force 98-99 or so she was shown flying off seemingly possessed by a malice-like necklace. her next appearance was in wolverine 154-157 where she was healed in some sort of tank and rescued by deadpool. no mention of the necklace was to be seen, and apparently whatever healed her came from the stasis tank.

[nubly]

has it been revealed why cannonball isnt an x-ternal?

[streator]

has it been revealed why cannonball isnt an x-ternal?
yes. marvel was in a legal dispute with the highlander series, which the externals closely modeled. so marvel dumped the concept, had selene kill off the remaining ones, and had her tell cannonball that cable wasnt as honest as they thought him to be or something. it hasnt been picked up on since 1995 or so, and wont be again id guess.

[Frank]

What made Bob Harras step down as EIC? I heard a rumor that he got in a bar fight, and Marvel thought that it was bad for their image, but thats just a rumor. What happened?

It was me. I was at the bar and I took a swing. He fell down. I slept well that night. lol

[fishtaco]

I read in another thread that Siryn is currently in X-Force. Did she get her vocal chords back? How?She wasnt in the recent X-Force mini, but when Cable supposedly died, she and Sam came to Providence with Forge to help Irene Merrweather find him (Cable and Deadpool 13).

[ocelotrevs]

Is Cable the most powerful psionic person in the X- Men, cos it seems he could put Xavier under manners pretty easily

And can Bishops mind be read?

[The Lucky One]

has it been revealed why cannonball isnt an x-ternal?

Somebody here once posted their idea (which I thought was pretty clever) that Sam wasn't an External; rather, since Dani Moonstar was at the time in Asgard with the Valkyries, she noticed his death and intervened to bring him back to life, like she used to do in the New Mutants when she would fight Death. Makes sense with past continuity and addresses the issue in a way that doesn't contradict anything but still gets rid of the External stuff for good... works for me.

-D

[The Lucky One]

Is Cable the most powerful psionic person in the X- Men, cos it seems he could put Xavier under manners pretty easily

Cable has the most raw potential; all circumstances being equal, he has more power than Xavier. That being said, there's two things to remember: one, he usually has to keep his techno-organic infection in check, which takes up most of his psionic power. And two, even on those occasions when it's gone, Xavier still might win a fight for the same reason he was able to beat Dark Phoenix- he has much, much more experience in using the slightly less power he has.

Actually, there have been a number of psis with the potential to be more powerful than Chuck, including Cable, X-Man, Jean, Legion, and Rachel Summers, among others.

-D

[ocelotrevs]

Cable has the most raw potential; all circumstances being equal, he has more power than Xavier. That being said, there's two things to remember: one, he usually has to keep his techno-organic infection in check, which takes up most of his psionic power. And two, even on those occasions when it's gone, Xavier still might win a fight for the same reason he was able to beat Dark Phoenix- he has much, much more experience in using the slightly less power he has.

Actually, there have been a number of psis with the potential to be more powerful than Chuck, including Cable, X-Man, Jean, Legion, and Rachel Summers, among others.

-D

Nowadays Cable can control his T-O virus with an afterthought (seen in Shining Path where he realised he could remove it with his telekinesis, and in Cable/ Deadpool where he was talking too Xavier about it)
Even with the experience, i'd imagine that Cable is too much for Xavier

[The Lucky One]

Even with the experience, i'd imagine that Cable is too much for Xavier

Mmm. I wouldn't (the man took down Dark Phoenix, Cable's small fry), but agree to disagree.
:)

-D

[nubly]

ok so im a bit confused by magik and the legacy virus. after sinister's technician opened the canister that released the legacy virus, hundreds of mutants started popping up with the virus and the symptoms were noted on the victims within a matter of time. when mikhail transfered the virus from him to magik, she did not have any symptoms till years later. also, no other mutant contracted the virus from teen magik. how can marvel possibly explain this?

Somebody here once posted their idea (which I thought was pretty clever) that Sam wasn't an External; rather, since Dani Moonstar was at the time in Asgard with the Valkyries, she noticed his death and intervened to bring him back to life, like she used to do in the New Mutants when she would fight Death. Makes sense with past continuity and addresses the issue in a way that doesn't contradict anything but still gets rid of the External stuff for good... works for me.

-D

it wouldnt get rid of the x-ternals though. saul, gideon and absalom have explained that they have lived for many years. saul has even lived longer than apocalypse

[The Lucky One]

it wouldnt get rid of the x-ternals though. saul, gideon and absalom have explained that they have lived for many years. saul has even lived longer than apocalypse

It wouldn't literally get rid of them; what I meant is that it allows them to never be mentioned again (yay!) while still allowing Sam to be used as a character and not saddled with their baggage.

ok so im a bit confused by magik and the legacy virus. after sinister's technician opened the canister that released the legacy virus, hundreds of mutants started popping up with the virus and the symptoms were noted on the victims within a matter of time. when mikhail transfered the virus from him to magik, she did not have any symptoms till years later. also, no other mutant contracted the virus from teen magik. how can marvel possibly explain this?

The explanation is that the New Mutants: Truth or Death doesn't really work, continuity-wise. Mikail infected the teenaged Illyana with the Legacy Virus, which supposedly was the reason why the young Illyana died from it in UXM #303. Except that the teenaged Illyana didn't turn back into young Illyana during Inferno; rather, young Illyana was rescued from a point in time right after falling into Limbo, before she did any of the stuff she'd done as Magik (including being infected with Legacy). The explanation for this is that it was an alternate reality young Illyana that the New Mutants rescued, and "our" Illyana is still hanging around somewhere. She might or might not have the Legacy Virus... since she can do whatever she wants in Limbo, she could probably just purge it from her body instantly if that's where she is.

-D

[DDM]

Cable has the most raw potential; all circumstances being equal, he has more power than Xavier. That being said, there's two things to remember: one, he usually has to keep his techno-organic infection in check, which takes up most of his psionic power. And two, even on those occasions when it's gone, Xavier still might win a fight for the same reason he was able to beat Dark Phoenix- he has much, much more experience in using the slightly less power he has.

Actually, there have been a number of psis with the potential to be more powerful than Chuck, including Cable, X-Man, Jean, Legion, and Rachel Summers, among others.

-D

Xavier only won his psychic duel against Dark Phoenix because the uncorrupted side of Jean Grey helped Xavier when Scott reached Jean on a deeper, emotional level. Otherwise, Dark Phoenix would have killed Xavier since she has more raw power.

[nubly]

The explanation is that the New Mutants: Truth or Death doesn't really work, continuity-wise. Mikail infected the teenaged Illyana with the Legacy Virus, which supposedly was the reason why the young Illyana died from it in UXM #303. Except that the teenaged Illyana didn't turn back into young Illyana during Inferno; rather, young Illyana was rescued from a point in time right after falling into Limbo, before she did any of the stuff she'd done as Magik (including being infected with Legacy). The explanation for this is that it was an alternate reality young Illyana that the New Mutants rescued, and "our" Illyana is still hanging around somewhere. She might or might not have the Legacy Virus... since she can do whatever she wants in Limbo, she could probably just purge it from her body instantly if that's where she is.

-D

i always assumed that the young illyana was an alternate reality illyana and teen illyana was still running around somewhere in limbo. when was this actually explained? i must have missed a mini or something

[The Lucky One]

i always assumed that the young illyana was an alternate reality illyana and teen illyana was still running around somewhere in limbo. when was this actually explained? i must have missed a mini or something

It was never officially explained; it's all taken from comments made by Louise Simonson (who left herself outs for both Doug and Illyana if she wanted to bring them back later) and fan speculation. Along with simple logic, of course.

-D

[fishtaco]

It was never officially explained; it's all taken from comments made by Louise Simonson (who left herself outs for both Doug and Illyana if she wanted to bring them back later) and fan speculation. Along with simple logic, of course.

-DWhat was the loophole she made for Doug?

[DDM]

i always assumed that the young illyana was an alternate reality illyana and teen illyana was still running around somewhere in limbo. when was this actually explained? i must have missed a mini or something

The clues are in the "Inferno" The New Mutants #73. Nothing is explicity stated, but Louise Simonson left a loophole for Magik to return. The regressed 7 year old Illyana Rasputin can be explained to be an alternate reality Illyana given how time folds upon itself in Limbo. The real Magik is still in Limbo.

[The Lucky One]

What was the loophole she made for Doug?

It was actually begun by Chris Claremont; in New Mutants #53, it was revealed that Doug had been infected with the T-O virus from one of his soulmerges with Warlock. However, the plot thread wasn't followed up on before his death, and no one attempted to revive him through it. In Warlock #1, Warlock checked his bones and found no trace of the virus, determining it had been stolen by someone (possibly the developers of the earth Phalanx), so the door's still open for a possible Doug revival, though I'm not exactly holding my breath.

-D

[ocelotrevs]

Mmm. I wouldn't (the man took down Dark Phoenix, Cable's small fry), but agree to disagree.
:)

-D

Alright << shake hands and bow >>

But what about Bishop, I just read an issue where he said the he could absorb psychic energy like any other. Does this mean that his mind can't be read?

[Joe Zool]

It wouldn't literally get rid of them; what I meant is that it allows them to never be mentioned again (yay!) while still allowing Sam to be used as a character and not saddled with their baggage.



The explanation is that the New Mutants: Truth or Death doesn't really work, continuity-wise. Mikail infected the teenaged Illyana with the Legacy Virus, which supposedly was the reason why the young Illyana died from it in UXM #303. Except that the teenaged Illyana didn't turn back into young Illyana during Inferno; rather, young Illyana was rescued from a point in time right after falling into Limbo, before she did any of the stuff she'd done as Magik (including being infected with Legacy). The explanation for this is that it was an alternate reality young Illyana that the New Mutants rescued, and "our" Illyana is still hanging around somewhere. She might or might not have the Legacy Virus... since she can do whatever she wants in Limbo, she could probably just purge it from her body instantly if that's where she is.

-D

Somebody needs to retcon this NOW!

[streator]

Alright << shake hands and bow >>

But what about Bishop, I just read an issue where he said the he could absorb psychic energy like any other. Does this mean that his mind can't be read?
no, his mind can be read. i can recall specifically xavier and jean trying to help bishop cope with the AoA memories after the regular marvel universe was restored.

[fishtaco]

It was actually begun by Chris Claremont; in New Mutants #53, it was revealed that Doug had been infected with the T-O virus from one of his soulmerges with Warlock. However, the plot thread wasn't followed up on before his death, and no one attempted to revive him through it. In Warlock #1, Warlock checked his bones and found no trace of the virus, determining it had been stolen by someone (possibly the developers of the earth Phalanx), so the door's still open for a possible Doug revival, though I'm not exactly holding my breath.Cool. At this point, its rather moot, as SPOILERS: Doug is back in New X-men 17no, his mind can be read. i can recall specifically xavier and jean trying to help bishop cope with the AoA memories after the regular marvel universe was restored.Dont forget in that one issue of New X-men. Esme tries to read his mind, buts he cant, because Bishop can absorb psychic energy as well. Of course, he can lower his defenses.

[ocelotrevs]

... Of course, he can lower his defenses.

That makes sense, I should think before I post

[fishtaco]

That makes sense, I should think before I postThen again, that might be a continuity error. Im not sure if Grant Morrison really knew how Bishop's powers work. He certainly didnt have a clue as to what Sage was like in that same issue. When it says that she's a living computer, Grant seemed to take it literally.

[fishtaco]

sorry for double posting. I cant bring the thread back up with an edit.

I have some questions about Gateway. I have always found him to be an interesting, mysterious character, and I would like to know more about him (even though we still dont know all too much about him). Ive only read a few Outback issues (its still my favorite era), so I dont know much.

1. Was the concept of Dreamtime introduced in the Outback era, or was it a new concept that first appeared in X-Treme X-men 4? What exactly is it? How do you get there, what's it for? Why would someone go there?

2. Does Gateway have any other powers besides spinning his bull-roarer to create portals? I heard before that he had telepathy and flight.

3. Did Gateway ever go with the X-men on missions, or did he just send them places.

4. When he didnt go on missions with the X-men, how do the X-men get back to Australia?

5. What is the history between Gateway and Donald Pierce? Why does he serve Pierce?

6. Why doesnt he talk? I know he can talk, because he did in Generation X 1.

7. Why did he hang out with Generation X?

8. Why did he open a portal for Jamie (?) to take Psylocke in the dreamtime? We dont know this yet, do we? Maybe Jamie was controlling Gateway.

9. Is there anything else to know about Gateway that I havent asked above :p

thanks.

[The Lucky One]

sorry for double posting. I cant bring the thread back up with an edit.

I have some questions about Gateway. I have always found him to be an interesting, mysterious character, and I would like to know more about him (even though we still dont know all too much about him). Ive only read a few Outback issues (its still my favorite era), so I dont know much.

Totally working from memory here, and I won't be able to answer all your questions, but I'll see what I can do.

1) It wasn't first introduced in XXM #4. There was an Ann Nocenti story in Marvel Comics Presents where a creature escapes from the Dreamtime and plays with Longshot for a while, and I think Longshot himself might have visited it right before he left the X-Men... though he might just have been regular dreaming then, I can't remember. It's just, you know... a dream state, I guess. Essentially the same as The Dreaming from Sandman, minus Morpheus.

2) I don't remember Gateway ever using flight or telepathy, though it's not impossible.

3) He went with them, but he didn't ever really actively participate in missions.

4) Um... usually he just showed up when they needed him and took them back, I think. They didn't have the Blackbird at the time, I know that.

5) I'm trying to remember if they ever fully explained it. He was tied to the land, I think, so when the Reavers captured it, he sort of was forced into servitude with them? Maybe, can't fully remember. They might have slaughtered his people, I just have no memory anymore. Matt? DDM?

6) He didn't talk pre-Gen X #1 because Claremont didn't want him to, I guess. It was up to Lobdell to explain why he suddenly did, but I wouldn't be surprised if he never got around to it.

7) He felt some attachment to Jubilee, having been the reason she got mixed up with the X-Men in the first place. Why he stayed, though, I don't know.

8) We don't know.

-D

[DDM]

1. Was the concept of Dreamtime introduced in the Outback era, or was it a new concept that first appeared in X-Treme X-men 4? What exactly is it? How do you get there, what's it for? Why would someone go there?

The Dreamtime is a concept the Aborigines use in their mythos. The Dreamtime was first introduced in Uncanny X-Men when Gateway was used as the X-Men's primary form of transportation. Claremont often uses the Dreamtime as a plot device. The Dreamtime could be compared to the astral plane.

2. Does Gateway have any other powers besides spinning his bull-roarer to create portals? I heard before that he had telepathy and flight.

No.

3. Did Gateway ever go with the X-men on missions, or did he just send them places.

Gateway just transported the X-Men to various places using his mutant powers. His mutant ability seems to have no limit since he once transported Colossus to Limbo in Uncanny X-Men #231, he opened a portal that grabbed Psylocke's soul in the Dreamtime in X-Treme X-Men #4. His mutant powers are more diverse in dreams such as when Madelyne Pryor was transformed in the Goblin Queen in Uncanny X-Men #232-234.

4. When he didnt go on missions with the X-men, how do the X-men get back to Australia?

Gateway knew when to teleport the X-Men home via the Dreamtime or Psylocke would contact him telepathically.

5. What is the history between Gateway and Donald Pierce? Why does he serve Pierce?

This story has yet to be told. Gateway owes Pierce some kind of debt. Serving the Reavers is paying for this "debt."

6. Why doesnt he talk? I know he can talk, because he did in Generation X 1.

Chris Claremont's Gateway does not talk. Scott Lobdell's Gateway talks.

7. Why did he hang out with Generation X?

Good question. Monet knows Gateway. Maybe that's why...

8. Why did he open a portal for Jamie (?) to take Psylocke in the dreamtime? We dont know this yet, do we? Maybe Jamie was controlling Gateway.

Gateway opened to portal for a greater good. Being connected to the Dreamtime gives Gateway answers about the fundamental rules of the cosmos. Gateway is not being controlled by anyone.

[Tobias March]

Good question. Monet knows Gateway. Maybe that's why...


Yes she complains to him in one issue that she wishes to leave and refers to him as 'master' (or is it mentor? It's been years) Anyway Gateway seems involved with her whole family, Penance also. Lobdell simply adopted him from Claremont's stories...with the result that he became literally a plot device. So there's little chance that Gateway's story will ever be told.

Larry Hama, by the way, also featured a "witty" and "urbane" Gateway in Wolverine AoA/Weapon X. Basically he talked a lot, like certain other writers have Beast do. It was ...odd.

[AnthonyJ]

Nowadays Cable can control his T-O virus with an afterthought (seen in Shining Path where he realised he could remove it with his telekinesis, and in Cable/ Deadpool where he was talking too Xavier about it).

Of course, Cable lost most of his power recently, and from comments from Fabian Nicieza it's a long-term depowering, probably because writing interesting plots about characters with godlike powers is quite difficult.

[fishtaco]

Gateway opened to portal for a greater good. Being connected to the Dreamtime gives Gateway answers about the fundamental rules of the cosmos. Gateway is not being controlled by anyone.For the greater good? I have also heard that he sees things in a much bigger picture. Is that another mutant power, or is it just the Dreamtime that allows him to see across dimensions and the cosmos.

How do you know he isn't being controlled? Jamie could have controlled him so he can take Betsy.

I wish Chris would do a story like this...

http://www.crystalinks.com/dreamtime.jp

[Tony Peanuts]

6) He didn't talk pre-Gen X #1 because Claremont didn't want him to, I guess. It was up to Lobdell to explain why he suddenly did, but I wouldn't be surprised if he never got around to it.


He did talk once, long before Gen X #1. In one of the X-Men annuals from the outback era (I forget the number) there was a story set right after Jubilee followed the X-men through the portal. She's greeted by Gateway and, just as Jubes is wondering if he is capable of speaking, he waves at her and says something like "Welcome child!" She immediately runs away, so we never know what Gateway was going to chat to her about.

7) He felt some attachment to Jubilee, having been the reason she got mixed up with the X-Men in the first place. Why he stayed, though, I don't know.

The other reason was he felt guilty about his role in getting some of the original students of the Academy killed -- in Uncanny #281 he opens the portal for Pierce through which Fitzroys' sentinels followed. The sentinels killed some of the Hellions and put Emma Frost into a coma.
Gateway rescued the girl who was Emplate's prisoner and delivered her to the academy as penance for his role in those events, which is why he said Penance in Gen X #1. I think it was in #25 that that was explained; whichever issue it was that Gateway left. His connection to M's family was never fully explained, but she did call him Mentor and he seemed to be training her (or rather the merged twins) in their mental abilities.
Whatever Scott Lobdell had in mind when he plotted all this was presumably made null and void when Larry Hama took over and came up with the Penance-was-really-the-real-M fiasco.

[Kid Seven]

He didn't talk because he was busy contemplating the various x-subplots going on at the time. He was, to be certain, DEEP in meditation. ;)

[fishtaco]

The other reason was he felt guilty about his role in getting some of the original students of the Academy killed -- in Uncanny #281 he opens the portal for Pierce through which Fitzroys' sentinels followed. The sentinels killed some of the Hellions and put Emma Frost into a coma. Not quite. The sentinels were under Fitzroy's command. Trevor just sent the sentinels to Australia to kill the Reavers. Fitzroy himself, meanwhile, was already at the Hellfire Club, killing the Hellions. Gateway would know that it would not have mattered whether he teleported Pierce there or not, because Trevor Fitzroy and the sentinels he already had with him were good enough to kill the Hellions, Emma (supposedly), and Jean.

[Tony Peanuts]

Gateway sent Pierce and the pursuing sentinels to the Hellfire Club while the X-men and Hellions were already battling Fitzroy there. It was in that confusion that the Hellions died. Some were killed by Fitzroy, some by the sentinels.
Regardless of the specifics of the battle Gateway felt some responsibility, hence his involvement with Penance and Gen X. There was a definitely a line in the issue he leaves which stated exactly that. Damn, I wish I had my issues with me at the moment!

[streator]

was the original bone-breaker homosexual? i'm reading uncanny 253 right now, and i've noticed a few comments by him to make me think so.
examples:
pg.6 he says to pierce "better you than us, lover!"
pg.16 reese or someone says "lookin' top of the line, pretty-boy" and bone-breaker remarks "be still my heart!"

it doesn't really matter, just hadn't noticed it prior to this issue.

[DDM]

was the original bone-breaker homosexual? i'm reading uncanny 253 right now, and i've noticed a few comments by him to make me think so.
examples:
pg.6 he says to pierce "better you than us, lover!"
pg.16 reese or someone says "lookin' top of the line, pretty-boy" and bone-breaker remarks "be still my heart!"

it doesn't really matter, just hadn't noticed it prior to this issue.

I don't think Bonebreaker I was gay. He was emasculating his comrades by speaking in such as manner, further demeaning them. Pierce punished Pretty Boy by placing his organic head on an obvious robotic body; before his original bionic body was destroyed, Pretty Boy's body looked like a human body, although it too was robotic.

[streator]

I don't think Bonebreaker I was gay. He was emasculating his comrades by speaking in such as manner, further demeaning them. Pierce punished Pretty Boy by placing his organic head on an obvious robotic body; before his original bionic body was destroyed, Pretty Boy's body looked like a human body, although it too was robotic.
if it wasn't meant to be implied, then i guess the dialogue can be chalked up to cc 80's goodness. i don't remember "lover" ever being a popular term in culture, though.

[streator]

i have been reading some old x-force issues lately. what's the official ruling on the amount of inorganic material on/inside cable these days?
i know he was still in the process of becoming who he is, but he was shown with his at least half his face blown off and metal underneath a few times (issues 8, 9, x-cutioner's song, the nimrod issues).
as i understand it now, the metal is the t-o virus and he has keeps it in check so it doesn't spread through his entire body. i know in cable 100 he actually purged the virus from his body, but that has been mostly ignored since. has his face being at least half metal been retconned? i know the eye is bionic, but i cant remember the last time his actual face was shown a la t2 style.

[Dizzy D]

i have been reading some old x-force issues lately. what's the official ruling on the amount of inorganic material on/inside cable these days?
i know he was still in the process of becoming who he is, but he was shown with his at least half his face blown off and metal underneath a few times (issues 8, 9, x-cutioner's song, the nimrod issues).
as i understand it now, the metal is the t-o virus and he has keeps it in check so it doesn't spread through his entire body. i know in cable 100 he actually purged the virus from his body, but that has been mostly ignored since. has his face being at least half metal been retconned? i know the eye is bionic, but i cant remember the last time his actual face was shown a la t2 style.

After he purged the virus from his body there still remained some bionic parts (the arm, though slowly his arm was regenerating under that) and his eye for instance. But he has merged with a Phalanx or Technarch baby in the pages of Cable/Deadpool, so nowadays parts of his body are inorganic (or rather techno-organic) again. His arm and eye defenitely are techno-organic.

[nubly]

question about bulwark, murmur and misty. i remember reading a few years ago that the hellions were going to show up in generatin x. i think it was said that emplate was going to be leading this team. are theese four mutants the hellions that were supposed to show up in gen x?

[streator]

question about bulwark, murmur and misty. i remember reading a few years ago that the hellions were going to show up in generatin x. i think it was said that emplate was going to be leading this team. are theese four mutants the hellions that were supposed to show up in gen x?
not sure, but the hellions "did" show up in generation x. the gen x squad was trapped in a danger room simulation as the hellions the night they were all killed. they acted as the hellions but still retained their own mutations. i think adrienne frost set the thing up.

[The Lucky One]

You're both right. Emplate's gang was referred to as the new Hellions in promotional materials, but never actually in the comics themselves. And yes, Adrienne Frost set up a scenario where Gen X woke up to find themselves in the bodies of the Hellions on the day they died.

-D

[nubly]

did anyone understood what happend in generation x #74? at first, i thought that the little girl was a cutter but how can she cut her own back?

also, what is jubilee up to? she needs to return to the x-books

[streator]

did anyone understood what happend in generation x #74? at first, i thought that the little girl was a cutter but how can she cut her own back?

i took it as hannah (the ghost girl) was raped/abused by whomever was in charge at the boarding school. it wasn't very clear, though.

[Uncle Nobs]

How many mutant drugs are there? We had Kick (which I guess was actually Sublime in bacterial form). We had that one that the Vanisher was peddling in Uncanny Annual 2001. Any more out there?

[Crimson]

There is MGH which gives humans mutant powers for a few hours... dunno if you'd count that.

[Beast]

How many mutant drugs are there? We had Kick (which I guess was actually Sublime in bacterial form). We had that one that the Vanisher was peddling in Uncanny Annual 2001. Any more out there?
There's the 'Toad Juice' thing from District X.

[Uncle Nobs]

Is MGH the one from the 2001 Annual? Does that stand for Mutant Growth Hormone?

[streator]

another is the revolution-era drug rave, i think it was called. cecilia reyes was addicted to it.

[Crimson]

Is MGH the one from the 2001 Annual? Does that stand for Mutant Growth Hormone?

I'm not sure where it first appeared but it still pops up... it popped up a little in The Pulse #10 (small mention) andf Young Avengers #1 or #2.

Thats what it stands for, yeah.

[Blackcat]

another is the revolution-era drug rave, i think it was called. cecilia reyes was addicted to it.

Hmm, addicted you say. I don't think so. She knew she was getting close to it, but never really got addicted to it as far as I remember.

After that I never heard anything of Rave anymore (a shame thou, it could have been a cool concept...!). Later they came with 'kick' but the Rave effects were way cooler.

[Tobias March]

I'm not sure where it first appeared but it still pops up... it popped up a little in The Pulse #10 (small mention) andf Young Avengers #1 or #2.

Thats what it stands for, yeah.

It's in the third volume of Alias I think, collected in the trades. The ill-fated Spider-Girl II(I?) is a victim of it.

[streator]

Hmm, addicted you say. I don't think so. She knew she was getting close to it, but never really got addicted to it as far as I remember.

After that I never heard anything of Rave anymore (a shame thou, it could have been a cool concept...!). Later they came with 'kick' but the Rave effects were way cooler.
she was an addict, it was mentioned a few times. she had to overdose on rave to stay alive in the neo stronghold. xavier even helped her get over it.

[Sandy Hausler]

I'm not sure where it first appeared but it still pops up... it popped up a little in The Pulse #10 (small mention) andf Young Avengers #1 or #2.

Thats what it stands for, yeah.

MGH, to my recollection, first appeared in Daredevil. The Owl was behind it. It also appeared in Alias.

Sandy Hausler

[streator]

there was a similar drug in iron-man (3rd series) right around maximum security (2000-2001). people in clubs were taking it and getting powers for a limited amount of time. that had something to do with an alien whose name escapes me now. i think tieri was writing the book then.

[DDM]

It's in the third volume of Alias I think, collected in the trades. The ill-fated Spider-Girl II(I?) is a victim of it.

You mean Spider-Woman III, although it is easy to get confused given Spider-Woman III was a teenager.

[Crimson]

Continuity wise where did X-Treme X-Men Annual #1 take place? Between what issues of X-Treme X-Men?

[streator]

Continuity wise where did X-Treme X-Men Annual #1 take place? Between what issues of X-Treme X-Men?
i would place it between xxm 5 and 6, or right around there.

[DDM]

Continuity wise where did X-Treme X-Men Annual #1 take place? Between what issues of X-Treme X-Men?

The story occurs after X-Treme X-Men #9.

[streator]

what, if anything, did arnim zola do to viper? i do not recall exactly where she was shown to be his prisoner, but i want to say it was in a wolverine annual, either 98 or 99 or 2000 i think. it was just a few panels.

[Blackcat]

Can anyone please tell me when issue #6 of The End (M&M) will come out. Can't find it anywhere....!

[Dizzy D]

what, if anything, did arnim zola do to viper? i do not recall exactly where she was shown to be his prisoner, but i want to say it was in a wolverine annual, either 98 or 99 or 2000 i think. it was just a few panels.

It was in Wolverine 139, but the story was never followed upon because after this issue Wolverine went into the Horseman of Apocalypse-stories and Larsen soon left the title. Viper showed up again in Tieri's run and was pretty much the same.

[streator]

It was in Wolverine 139, but the story was never followed upon because after this issue Wolverine went into the Horseman of Apocalypse-stories and Larsen soon left the title. Viper showed up again in Tieri's run and was pretty much the same.
oh, thanks. wasn't when she showed up again the first time she wasn't scarred? and a tomb raider clone?

[TinMan]

Ok, I gots a question: is Sabretooth dead? I just picked up X-men 161-165 the other day, and at the end of 164 its implied that Wolverine finally took his ass out. So I wanna know if he is truly dead or if its been retconned.

[atoningunifex]

Ok, I gots a question: is Sabretooth dead? I just picked up X-men 161-165 the other day, and at the end of 164 its implied that Wolverine finally took his ass out. So I wanna know if he is truly dead or if its been retconned.

No one stays dead in the marvel universe.

[TinMan]

No one stays dead in the marvel universe.

Cept for Uncle Ben, and Cyclops' mom, and Gwen Stacy, and and.... lol

but seriously, has it been retconned yet, or is he still "dead" in cannon?

[Crimson]

Cept for Uncle Ben, and Cyclops' mom, and Gwen Stacy, and and.... lol

but seriously, has it been retconned yet, or is he still "dead" in cannon?

He's appearning HoM, Black Panther #7... so he could be alive again or not. It depends on how HoM turns out

[The Lucky One]

Ok, I gots a question: is Sabretooth dead? I just picked up X-men 161-165 the other day, and at the end of 164 its implied that Wolverine finally took his ass out. So I wanna know if he is truly dead or if its been retconned.

My apologies that you had to read that, I can only assume at the hands of filthy terrorists with a gun to your head and no qualms against torturing helpless prisoners. As for Sabretooth, I'm about 99.99999% sure he's appeared since then (I just can't for the life of me remember where), so no, he's not dead.
;)

-D

[Nobbel]

Cept for Uncle Ben, and Cyclops' mom, and Gwen Stacy, and and.... lol

but seriously, has it been retconned yet, or is he still "dead" in cannon?

Cypher, Destiny, Javitz, Thunderbird, Revance, Stonewall, SuperSabre, Rusty Collins and sooo many others are still dead and have been dead 4 a long, long time.

[Nobbel]

...................................sorry, made a double posting..............

[fishtaco]

Cypher is back in New X-men for HoM.

[Dizzy D]

Cypher is back in New X-men for HoM.

That doesn't count, he was also back in Age of Apocalypse. It just is an alternate reality version.

[TinMan]

My apologies that you had to read that, I can only assume at the hands of filthy terrorists with a gun to your head and no qualms against torturing helpless prisoners. As for Sabretooth, I'm about 99.99999% sure he's appeared since then (I just can't for the life of me remember where), so no, he's not dead.
;)

-D

Lol, well there were no terrorists and no gun to my head. I actually enjoyed that arc myself, I don't see whats so bad about it honestly. I thought the death of Sammy Payre' was crappy, and I'd actually like to see Juggy kill Black Tom's ass in return for what he did to Sammy. I mean the dudes a P.O.S. anyway, and since that whole "plant transformation" thing happened he should be killed off anyway.

Thanks for the info on Creed too, I know he's alive in HoM, but I would really have liked it if Wolverine had killed him for good. The dude deserves to be dead and Logan should handle it, once and for all, just would have been better if it all occured in panel. Then maybe a couple years down the road see him resurrected, then have Logan kill him again lol.

[Alpha to Omega]

Hey does anyone know when Beast lost his enhanced super-strength from when Infectia kissed him? Also what are the effects of the mutant drug Rave that Cecila took?

[DDM]

Hey does anyone know when Beast lost his enhanced super-strength from when Infectia kissed him?

Beast's superhuman strength remained when his mind was restored in X-Factor #33. Infectia's kiss counteracted the various drugs which originally reverted Hank back into his original human looking self & Pestilence's touch.

[Alpha to Omega]

Beast's superhuman strength remained when his mind was restored in X-Factor #33. Infectia's kiss counteracted the various drugs which originally reverted Hank back into his original human looking self & Pestilence's touch.

I thought he got a strength enhancment from the kiss and was wondering if they ever explained what happened to it?

[DDM]

I thought he got a strength enhancment from the kiss and was wondering if they ever explained what happened to it?

Beast's enhanced strength came from Pestilence's infectious plague's interacting with the chemicals which turned Hank back into a human appearance which he received in X-Factor #19. The more Beast used his strength, the more dumb he became. Infectia's kiss reversed this process, but Hank kept his superhuman strength; Hank also reverted back to his default blue furred appearance as a result of Infectia's kiss. Infectia's kiss cured Hank completely.

[streator]

Also what are the effects of the mutant drug Rave that Cecila took?
from uncannyxmen.net's x-men 102 issue summary:
The rave drug works wonders on her powers. Quickly, she realizes that it is just like cocaine and heroine and that the rush is a lie. However, the more she uses the more she is consumed by the need to use it. As she continues to block the barrage, she tells herself that she will figure out a way to cut her addiction after she and her friends escape.

basically, as i took it, it was a power-enhancing drug that was highly addictive.

[Jack Flash]

I've asked a couple of places on these boards about what happened with Neophyte, the little acolyte that caused so many problems! I may have missed peoples's responses or maybe nobody knows. but figured I'd ask in the right place this time. can anybody help me out!?

[mattbib]

I've asked a couple of places on these boards about what happened with Neophyte, the little acolyte that caused so many problems! I may have missed peoples's responses or maybe nobody knows. but figured I'd ask in the right place this time. can anybody help me out!?Nobody knows. After his Exile to earth in UXM#315 he returned to the Acolytes when Magneto returned, and was seen in UXM #366-367 and 379. He hasn't been seen since, so his survival after the destruction of Genosha is still suspect.

[nubly]

who was that green demon looking guy who showed up with the new roster in x-force #116? i dont recall his name being mentioned in the issue

[mattbib]

who was that green demon looking guy who showed up with the new roster in x-force #116? i dont recall his name being mentioned in the issueDo you mean la Nuit (http://uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=629)?

[nubly]

Do you mean la Nuit (http://uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=629)?
yes, thank you

[grampa doowop]

Have the events during the X-Men's "6 month gap" been explained? Have parts of it or certain stories? If so, in which books and issues?

[streator]

Have the events during the X-Men's "6 month gap" been explained? Have parts of it or certain stories? If so, in which books and issues?
some parts. during counter x, x-force, generation x, and x-man all showed what happened to their respective characters during the 6 month gap in arcs called "shockwave". x-force's second arc (issues 106-109) explained how the old team broke up and how they hooked up with pete wisdom. in generation x's second arc (issues 67-70) it explained how synch died and how the the school became private again. in x-man's second arc (issues 67-70) it explained how nate became the shaman and what happened with maddie.
pieces of what happened with the main x-men during the time were shown in x-men unlimited 27 (neal joining the team, some x-men going to space). i think 29. i don't think the betsy/jean switch was ever shown in detail, or kurt's time as a priest, or a few other little things. sage's presence with the x-men was shown in x-treme x-men. storm rescued her from bogan and brought her to the mansion, which we saw in x-men 102 or 103.

[grampa doowop]

some parts. during counter x, x-force, generation x, and x-man all showed what happened to their respective characters during the 6 month gap in arcs called "shockwave". x-force's second arc (issues 106-109) explained how the old team broke up and how they hooked up with pete wisdom. in generation x's second arc (issues 67-70) it explained how synch died and how the the school became private again. in x-man's second arc (issues 67-70) it explained how nate became the shaman and what happened with maddie.
pieces of what happened with the main x-men during the time were shown in x-men unlimited 27 (neal joining the team, some x-men going to space). i think 29. i don't think the betsy/jean switch was ever shown in detail, or kurt's time as a priest, or a few other little things. sage's presence with the x-men was shown in x-treme x-men. storm rescued her from bogan and brought her to the mansion, which we saw in x-men 102 or 103.

Thanks. I had completely forgotten that the "Shockwave" arcs were the 6 month gap stories for the Counter X books. Most of those I read. I guess I was specifically asking about the main X-Teams/Books. You filled in most of those gaps for me. Thanks.

[Flight]

Does anyone know what Bishops favourite colour is?!

[Ryan K]

Does anyone know what Bishops favourite colour is?!

Has to be red. Why else whould he wear that handkerchief around his neck.

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

Has to be red. Why else whould he wear that handkerchief around his neck.

As long as it's never in his back pocket on the right.

[JolieBrunette]

Has to be red. Why else whould he wear that handkerchief around his neck.

Wasn't that part of his XSE uniform?

[Tommy]

What ever happened with the odd Beast/Dazzler Romance?

[DDM]

What ever happened with the odd Beast/Dazzler Romance?

Aside from Beauty & The Beast #1-4, nothing. Beast did not even aknowledge any kind of relationship with the Dazzler in X-Factor. The Beauty & the Beast limited series takes place just before the original X-Men formed X-Factor. Therefore, Beast was still with The New Defenders with Angel & Iceman.

[Novaya Havoc]

Aside from Beauty & The Beast #1-4, nothing. Beast did not even aknowledge any kind of relationship with the Dazzler in X-Factor. The Beauty & the Beast limited series takes place just before the original X-Men formed X-Factor. Therefore, Beast was still with The New Defenders with Angel & Iceman.

Beast returned for Dazzler #42 as well to wrap it up -- it also alluded to Dazzler joining X-Factor, which was going to be the case, until editorial staff allowed for the resurrection of Jean Grey.

[Tommy]

Also did Dazzler ever pull that trick of releasing her stored sound ever again after Dazzler 42?

[DDM]

Also did Dazzler ever pull that trick of releasing her stored sound ever again after Dazzler 42?

In Uncanny X-Men, Chris Claremont gave Dazzler her photon blast, concentrated light developed through Alison's eyes or hands as a laser. Usually, once she uses her photon blast, Alison has to recharge for more energy. Dazzler used her photon blast against Freedom Force, the Juggernaut, the Brood, & the Marauders. Over time, she did not run out of her light powers since she became more adept in her powers in battle.

[DDM]

Beast returned for Dazzler #42 as well to wrap it up -- it also alluded to Dazzler joining X-Factor, which was going to be the case, until editorial staff allowed for the resurrection of Jean Grey.

I place Beauty & the Beast after Dazzler's series was cancelled. Afterwards, Dazzler guest starred in The New Mutants #29-31 (sort of a sequel to Beauty & the Beast w/Rachel Summers & Shadowcat) as a bridge for the Shadow King's role in the Gladiators & Uncanny X-Men #210-214 when Alison was possessed by the Marauder, Malice.

[nubly]

Aside from Beauty & The Beast #1-4, nothing. Beast did not even aknowledge any kind of relationship with the Dazzler in X-Factor. The Beauty & the Beast limited series takes place just before the original X-Men formed X-Factor. Therefore, Beast was still with The New Defenders with Angel & Iceman.
dazz mentioned it in the inferno arc. something like "oh hank, all furry. what a waste". or was it archangel?

[xakko]

dazz mentioned it in the inferno arc. something like "oh hank, all furry. what a waste". or was it archangel?

"Blue skinned and bald"... she was referring to Archangel

[fishtaco]

I just picked up Uncanny X-Men 259 (for seven $'s. augh!). How and when do Colossus and Dazzler get their memories back?

Which reminds me of another question. How come Rogue emerged from the Siege Perilious with her memories, and not an amnesiac?

Which reminds me of yet another question. What happened to Nimrod after it went through the Siege Perilious?

[Dizzy D]

I just picked up Uncanny X-Men 259 (for seven $'s. augh!). How and when do Colossus and Dazzler get their memories back?

Which reminds me of another question. How come Rogue emerged from the Siege Perilious with her memories, and not an amnesiac?

Which reminds me of yet another question. What happened to Nimrod after it went through the Siege Perilious?

Colossus gets his memory restored by Charles Xavier when the Shadow King takes over Peter Nicholas.

Dazzler memory gets restored in the Mojoverse while she and Longshot are fighting Mojo.

In Rogue's case, she might have a different treatment because she went not through the Siege Perilious willingly and you could see her losing the Carol Danvers persona as a type of memory loss.

Nimrod and Master Mold either became Bastion together or Nimrod was found and formed the basis for the Nimrod program seen in X-force.

[fishtaco]

Colossus gets his memory restored by Charles Xavier when the Shadow King takes over Peter Nicholas.So did Peter Nicholas end up becoming a personality of Colossus?

Dazzler memory gets restored in the Mojoverse while she and Longshot are fighting Mojo.Thanks.

In Rogue's case, she might have a different treatment because she went not through the Siege Perilious willingly and you could see her losing the Carol Danvers persona as a type of memory loss.That explains it, then. thanks.

Nimrod and Master Mold either became Bastion together or Nimrod was found and formed the basis for the Nimrod program seen in X-force.I think I remember that. Wasnt it the Nimrod sentienl base they revisited in X-Force 52?

[streator]

So did Peter Nicholas end up becoming a personality of Colossus?

Thanks.

That explains it, then. thanks.

I think I remember that. Wasnt it the Nimrod sentienl base they revisited in X-Force 52?
peter nicholas was colossus. nicholas just had no knowledge of being colossus or of the x-men and was a successful artist. xavier just re-awakened colossus' true being, which in the process dissolved the peter nicholas bit. kind of like what layla miller is doing in house of m, actually.

[Novaya Havoc]

I place Beauty & the Beast after Dazzler's series was cancelled. Afterwards, Dazzler guest starred in The New Mutants #29-31 (sort of a sequel to Beauty & the Beast w/Rachel Summers & Shadowcat) as a bridge for the Shadow King's role in the Gladiators & Uncanny X-Men #210-214 when Alison was possessed by the Marauder, Malice.

See, I place it somewhere between Dazzler #36 and Dazzler #38, when she finally gets training from the X-Men. Fits best there, since that is when Dazz is "down and out" post her movie, and ties in nicely because of SWII and the New Mutants appearances (which I place somewhere between Dazzler #39 and Dazzler #40).

[Novaya Havoc]

Also did Dazzler ever pull that trick of releasing her stored sound ever again after Dazzler 42?

Nope. Never used it since. Some argue that in AoA, her ability to create the hard-light holograms with voices/sounds is an extension of this ability to spit the sound back out.

[fishtaco]

What happened in X-Factor Annual 8?

[Gingold]

The team meets a guy called Charon, who's a bit of a Batman ripoff/homage, and a dinosaur type called Carnivore, and some hillarious lame-o called Number 1 Fan, who fights with fans.

[Tommy]

I place Beauty & the Beast after Dazzler's series was cancelled. Afterwards, Dazzler guest starred in The New Mutants #29-31 (sort of a sequel to Beauty & the Beast w/Rachel Summers & Shadowcat) as a bridge for the Shadow King's role in the Gladiators & Uncanny X-Men #210-214 when Alison was possessed by the Marauder, Malice.
It would have to be before the end of Dazzler becouse Beast pops up in the last isssue or two and refers to Dazzler as the most important woman in his life. A statement that makes no since if Beauty and the Beast didn't happen until after Dazzler.

[Dizzy D]

Charon is indeed a parody/homage to Batman. Think Batman if his parents were killed by mutants and he was into satanism... OK, that should have set off several DC lawyer alerts.

Charon makes a deal with the demon Clooth who offers him also several assistants to get the souls of X-factor. These assistants being the Chandler family (Vic, Rick and Dick Chandler) were sworn enemies to X-factor, but X-factor never met them before.*


*=something to do with being so incompetent that two of them never managed to leave their own hideout with killing themselves and the third one got himself killed right outside.

It also had a short story with Val Cooper checking the backgrounds of all the X-factor members and a short story with Guido trying to find survivors from an accident in the New York subway.

[DDM]

Which reminds me of another question. How come Rogue emerged from the Siege Perilious with her memories, and not an amnesiac?

Rogue did not lose her memory due to her always going through something similar when she absorbs or imprints another person's psyche into herself. Therefore, Rogue remembered everything. Unfortunately, she also got her wish when Ms. Marvel was given her own body, but both women shared one lifeforce.

Which reminds me of yet another question. What happened to Nimrod after it went through the Siege Perilious?

Nimrod/Master Mold II was reborn as Bastion. Originally, Claremont had intended for both Sentinels to be destroyed in the Uncanny X-Men #247.

[Alpha to Omega]

Have Northstar and Quicksilver ever met?

[Flight]

Whats Nightcrawler's favourite kind of food?

[atoningunifex]

Whats Nightcrawler's favourite kind of food?

Tuna and beer.

[Dizzy D]

Tuna and beer.

Nah, sauerkraut and bratwurst.

[Nightcrawler]

When does Astonishing X-Men #13 come out?

[mattbib]

When does Astonishing X-Men #13 come out?I think I've seen "six months" thrown around. But who really knows until we see the actual solicit.

[Nightcrawler]

I think I've seen "six months" thrown around. But who really knows until we see the actual solicit.

Thanks, Matt.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

i´ll go first.


- How can Cyclops tell the colours (this is red, that is yellow) with his quartz rubi visor?

- When Kitty goes intangible, what stops her from plummeting into the ground?

- When Nightcrawler Banf!s in and out, where does the sulphur comes from?

- How come nobody ever noticed Warren´s got a hunchback when he´s in his civilian clothes?

[Quarterwolf]

- How can Cyclops tell the colours (this is red, that is yellow) with his quartz rubi visor?

He cannot. He sees everything in Red.

- When Kitty goes intangible, what stops her from plummeting into the ground?
She walks on air. Just a natural thing she does. She can actually use it to walk higher in the air if she concentrates.

- When Nightcrawler Banf!s in and out, where does the sulphur comes from?
The alternate demension he bamfs in and out of.

- How come nobody ever noticed Warren´s got a hunchback when he´s in his civilian clothes?
He straps them down. So they are less noticable. Plus he more then likly has his cloths tailor made so the hunch would not show as much.

[Jake V]

- How can Cyclops tell the colours (this is red, that is yellow) with his quartz rubi visor?
He can't. He sees everything through a red (or is it yellow, as stated in New X-Men?) filter. His vision is limited in that regard.

- When Kitty goes intangible, what stops her from plummeting into the ground?
Another piece of kitty's powers is to "walk on air molecules" while in her intangible state. I learned that from the X-Men encyclopedia.

- When Nightcrawler Banf!s in and out, where does the sulphur comes from?
The medium dimension that he shifts off to when he teleports. He instantaniously goes to this alternate dimension and then reappears in a different place in his original dimension. This happens so fast, it's not clear if he's aware that he's momentarily going into another dimension.

- How come nobody ever noticed Warren´s got a hunchback when he´s in his civilian clothes?
He's so rich that everyone is really polite around for fear of getting sued.

[The Lucky One]

i´ll go first.
- How can Cyclops tell the colours (this is red, that is yellow) with his quartz rubi visor?

As Stan Lee explained waaaaaaay back in the day, Cyke's visor functions the same way sunglasses do- thus, he can still perceive colors, they're just darker than you and I see them. Stan being the guy's creator, anything later written to the contrary by another writer is considered a simple continuity error.

- When Kitty goes intangible, what stops her from plummeting into the ground?

I don't know if it's ever been officially explained... one could theorize that she subconsciously phases the molecules around her to a descending degree the further away from her body they get, keeping her in kind of a stasis pattern. I don't even know if that makes sense, but whatever. Comics.

- When Nightcrawler Banf!s in and out, where does the sulphur comes from?

Tiny elves farting.

- How come nobody ever noticed Warren´s got a hunchback when he´s in his civilian clothes?

That handy harness of his manages to fold his wings so tight to his body, you can't tell they're there. Hey, birds can do it, why not Warren?

-D

[streator]

As Stan Lee explained waaaaaaay back in the day, Cyke's visor functions the same way sunglasses do- thus, he can still perceive colors, they're just darker than you and I see them. Stan being the guy's creator, anything later written to the contrary by another writer is considered a simple continuity error.
-D
i disagree.
examples:
wolverine (as created) did not have the adamantium skeleton/claws. the claws were external.
obviously, this has changed, and for the better (arguably, but true).

magneto (as originally created) had nothing to do with the holocaust. cc implemented it, long after magneto existed. better? i'd say.

continuity errors? i don't think so.

/cyke sees in yellow, as far as i know, or has been explained in the books.

[The Lucky One]

Though you're technically correct, I'd argue that those are two rather different things entirely. Changing established continuity in the service of making the change an integral part of a new story is one thing- sometimes that pans out (Magneto's retcon as a Holocaust survivor and reinvention as a complex, multi-faceted villain), sometimes it doesn't (Gambit supposedly being present at the Mutant Massacre, which some of us choose to ignore). But I'd argue there's a huge difference between that and a minor thing that has no real bearing on plot or storytelling overall. To me, Morrison's mistake about Scott seeing things in shades of red (or yellow) is the same as his mistake in having him able to wear contact lenses (impossible), or the infamous example of Empath being shown dying with the Hellions in UXM #281 when he was actually in Nova Roma with Magma at the time (where he later showed up, safe and sound). Yes, they're jarring and they take us out of the books, but you just have to accept them as inevitable inconsistencies in a fictional medium full of them (f'r instance, X-Men #25 and Fantastic Four #374 each carried captions claiming the events of their issue occured before the events of the other... explain that one).

To me, it's quite simple- Stan Lee, the creator of Cyclops, flat-out stated (not just showed in stories, but actually said in Stan's Soapbox) that Scott can see colors. Period. Decades later, a very talented and creative writer named Grant Morrison, who may respect but has never been an immense stickler for continuity, comes along and has a couple of rather minor panels indicating otherwise, which has very little impact on overall story structure. To me, that's not an internal debate; Grant made a minor error, you ignore it and move on. Cyclops can see colors. Naturally, however, every reader is free to believe whatever he or she may desire.
:)

-D

[Zeta]

Warren hides his wings in the same way transexuals hide their testicles. :p

[streator]

Though you're technically correct, I'd argue that those are two rather different things entirely. Changing established continuity in the service of making the change an integral part of a new story is one thing- sometimes that pans out (Magneto's retcon as a Holocaust survivor and reinvention as a complex, multi-faceted villain), sometimes it doesn't (Gambit supposedly being present at the Mutant Massacre, which some of us choose to ignore). But I'd argue there's a huge difference between that and a minor thing that has no real bearing on plot or storytelling overall. To me, Morrison's mistake about Scott seeing things in shades of red (or yellow) is the same as his mistake in having him able to wear contact lenses (impossible), or the infamous example of Empath being shown dying with the Hellions in UXM #281 when he was actually in Nova Roma with Magma at the time (where he later showed up, safe and sound). Yes, they're jarring and they take us out of the books, but you just have to accept them as inevitable inconsistencies in a fictional medium full of them (f'r instance, X-Men #25 and Fantastic Four #374 each carried captions claiming the events of their issue occured before the events of the other... explain that one).

To me, it's quite simple- Stan Lee, the creator of Cyclops, flat-out stated (not just showed in stories, but actually said in Stan's Soapbox) that Scott can see colors. Period. Decades later, a very talented and creative writer named Grant Morrison, who may respect but has never been an immense stickler for continuity, comes along and has a couple of rather minor panels indicating otherwise, which has very little impact on overall story structure. To me, that's not an internal debate; Grant made a minor error, you ignore it and move on. Cyclops can see colors. Naturally, however, every reader is free to believe whatever he or she may desire.
:)

-D

i guess the point i was trying to make is that regardless of the original character's creator, things change.
stan created cyke in what, 1963?
he last wrote the character in the 70's?
last supervised everything in the late 90's?

not even specific to cyclops...

just saying that a character can change, including supposed "basics"

[mattbib]

I'd imagine that Scott sees colors similarly to the way that a color-blind person does. While they're all perceived with a red tint, he can differentiate them.

[JolieBrunette]

To me, it's quite simple- Stan Lee, the creator of Cyclops, flat-out stated (not just showed in stories, but actually said in Stan's Soapbox) that Scott can see colors. Period. Decades later, a very talented and creative writer named Grant Morrison, who may respect but has never been an immense stickler for continuity, comes along and has a couple of rather minor panels indicating otherwise, which has very little impact on overall story structure. To me, that's not an internal debate; Grant made a minor error, you ignore it and move on. Cyclops can see colors. Naturally, however, every reader is free to believe whatever he or she may desire.

How about this? As far as I know, Cyclops isn't wearing the same visor that he did back in the early issues. Perhaps there were improvements made to the ruby quartz lens of the new visor (to allow him greater power, focus, whatever) that mean he can no longer see in technicolor.

[Kirayoshi]

IIRC they had to retool his standard visor between the early issues of the X-Men and Giant Sized X-Men #1, due to his powers being tampered with by Krakoa. First he seemed to lose them, then they returned, stronger than before, so they probably had to rebuild his visor, perhaps using a thicker ruby quartz slab.

Okay, how about some new questions:

How does Colossus see while in his steel mode? Do his eyes become a transparant steel?

[rudy]

- When Kitty goes intangible, what stops her from plummeting into the ground?Another piece of kitty's powers is to "walk on air molecules" while in her intangible state. I learned that from the X-Men encyclopedia.
When Kitty becomes completely intangible I would suppose her mass would be zero, in which case gravity wouldn't affect her at all.

With regard to her "walking on air molecules" -- or even walking period -- she must solidify a part of her body for a second or two in order to push off a platform (be it air molecules or solid floor) and then become intangible again to pass through objects. Otherwise she wouldn't be able to move in her intangible state, she would just kinda float in one spot.

[Alpha to Omega]

How many times has Colossus effected magical beings with his metal form? I know he hurt the Adversary during Fall of the Mutants and caused the fake Baba Yaga pain during Uncanny X-Men #231 but has there ever been any other times?

[xakko]

How many times has Colossus effected magical beings with his metal form? I know he hurt the Adversary during Fall of the Mutants and caused the fake Baba Yaga pain during Uncanny X-Men #231 but has there ever been any other times?
N'astirh in Inferno couldn't abide his touch either, although he mentioned it was partly because Peter's soul was so pure.

[DDM]

How many times has Colossus effected magical beings with his metal form? I know he hurt the Adversary during Fall of the Mutants and caused the fake Baba Yaga pain during Uncanny X-Men #231 but has there ever been any other times?

No, Colossus steel frame gained immunity to magickal creatures after his body healed; it became far more denser & powerful than before. Peter had a difficult time changing to & from Colossus most of the time. Colossus was not affected by the Goblin Queen's "Inferno" either, but the other X-Men were changed in some way...

[brian2322]

wat happened in the beauty and the beast mini series with beast and dazzler?

[xakko]

No, Colossus steel frame gained immunity to magickal creatures after his body healed; it became far more denser & powerful than before. Peter had a difficult time changing to & from Colossus most of the time. Colossus was not affected by the Goblin Queen's "Inferno" either, but the other X-Men were changed in some way...
To what extent would his "feat of strength" in "Nightcrawler's Inferno", opening the gates of Dis be an example of his potential anti-magikal nature

[Dizzy D]

wat happened in the beauty and the beast mini series with beast and dazzler?

Dazzler was outed as a mutant, Beast comforted her. Dazzler became a gladiator in a group led by a guy claiming to be Doom's son. Beast was displeased with her decision, but in the end helps her. They leave the group and Doom's son is confronted by the real Doom.

[DDM]

Dazzler was outed as a mutant, Beast comforted her. Dazzler became a gladiator in a group led by a guy claiming to be Doom's son. Beast was displeased with her decision, but in the end helps her. They leave the group and Doom's son is confronted by the real Doom.

Dazzler's mutant status became public in the Marvel gaphic novel, Dazzler: The Movie. She dealt with the reprecussions in Beauty & the Beast & Uncanny X-Men.

[DJ-Panic]

here's one, Whatever happened to Longshot?

EDIT: sorry if this was asked before, but 2000 posts is alot to read :P

[The Lucky One]

here's one, Whatever happened to Longshot?

Well, don't know when the last time you saw him was, but basically, he led several revolutions against Mojo and Mojo II: The Sequel, sometimes winning for brief periods of time but always getting overthrown before long. When last seen a few years ago in the "So Lame" arc of Exiles, he was freed by the Exiles and convinced to once against lead a revolution against Mojo.

That said, he's due to appear in the upcoming "World Tour" story arc of Exiles, where they'll be visiting various famous Marvel alternate worlds, like the 2099 universe, New Universe, and Days of Future Past, among others. Rumor has it that Longshot may even become a full-time member of the Exiles, though we don't know for sure. Cross your fingers!
;)

(Meanwhile, the Ultimate version of Longshot appeared in an arc called "The Most Dangerous Game" earlier this year in Ultimate X-Men and reappeared briefly at the beginning of last issue; he may or may not have a further role to play in the current story arc, we'll see.)

[fishtaco]

Well, don't know when the last time you saw him was, but basically, he led several revolutions against Mojo and Mojo II: The Sequel, sometimes winning for brief periods of time but always getting overthrown before long. When last seen a few years ago in the "So Lame" arc of Exiles, he was freed by the Exiles and convinced to once against lead a revolution against Mojo.

That said, he's due to appear in the upcoming "World Tour" story arc of Exiles, where they'll be visiting various famous Marvel alternate worlds, like the 2099 universe, New Universe, and Days of Future Past, among others. Rumor has it that Longshot may even become a full-time member of the Exiles, though we don't know for sure. Cross your fingers!
;)

(Meanwhile, the Ultimate version of Longshot appeared in an arc called "The Most Dangerous Game" earlier this year in Ultimate X-Men and reappeared briefly at the beginning of last issue; he may or may not have a further role to play in the current story arc, we'll see.)Tony Bedard said in an interview that the Exiles will not be visiting Days of Future Past. Bedard said that it has been done too many times. :(

[Alpha to Omega]

I thought the Exiles couldn't travel through time?

[The Lucky One]

They can't. However, as shown in the second arc in Exiles, different universes have events occuring at different points on the timeline, giving writers a nice excuse for sidestepping that little thorn. It's why they could be at the trial of Phoenix.

-D

[Alpha to Omega]

They can't. However, as shown in the second arc in Exiles, different universes have events occuring at different points on the timeline, giving writers a nice excuse for sidestepping that little thorn. It's why they could be at the trial of Phoenix.

-D

Yes but the 2099 is an alternate future of Earth-616 so unless there going to an alternate reality almost exactly like 2099 there breaking the rules. We know 2099 is a future of Earth-616 since Doom 2099 traveled back in time and met the Fantastic Four of 616. Also how the heck are they going to interact with the New Universe when it was sealed by the Living Tribunal from the rest of the Multiverse.

[The Lucky One]

We know 2099 is a future of Earth-616 since Doom 2099 traveled back in time and met the Fantastic Four of 616.

Right- it's a possible future of Earth 616, making it an alternate future/universe. Just like Kate Pryde traveled back in time from the Days of Future Past into our universe... that doesn't mean DoFP is the definite future, it's a possibility. So the Exiles will visit a 2099 identical to the one we know, except it occurs 94 years earlier in the time stream, and Spider-Man has green eyes instead of blue, or whatever. Not exactly hard to explain.

-D

[Dizzy D]

Or an easier explanation: they couldn't when the Timebroker was sending them on missions, now the Exiles are in control themselves so they may be able to go to places and times they couldn't before.

[Beast]

Or an easier explanation: they couldn't when the Timebroker was sending them on missions, now the Exiles are in control themselves so they may be able to go to places and times they couldn't before.
Nope, time travel is still not something the Exiles can do. That's one of the fundamental rules of the series, that they can't travel in time, just to alternate realities where time may move faster or slower than normal reality.

[Brian R]

Ok, this is a two-parter:

1) What is Northstar's current status? I heard Wolvie killed him, but I thought for sure he would be brought back, has this happened?

2) What is the current situation between Havok and Polaris? I heard they arent together anymore, can anyone tell me what happened to break them up?

[Dizzy D]

Ok, this is a two-parter:

1) What is Northstar's current status? I heard Wolvie killed him, but I thought for sure he would be brought back, has this happened?

2) What is the current situation between Havok and Polaris? I heard they arent together anymore, can anyone tell me what happened to break them up?

2) The long story: Havok was brainwashed by Dark Beast during Onslaught, went evil and when he shook off the brainwashing didn't went back to Lorna.
After that they never got together again (there were some points where they might have gotten back together but it never happened) Currently Iceman is dating Polaris.

[Ryan K]

1) Northstar was killed by Wolverine and then resurrected by the Hand. So now he's eveil (red eyes and everything) and likes to kill people. He is currently in SHIELD custody where they are trying to "deprogram" his evil ways through virtual reality.

[Brian R]

My thanks to Dizzy and Ryan for their prompt responses, I can now sleep better. :)

[streator]

2) The long story: Havok was brainwashed by Dark Beast during Onslaught, went evil and when he shook off the brainwashing didn't went back to Lorna.
After that they never got together again (there were some points where they might have gotten back together but it never happened) Currently Iceman is dating Polaris.
well, not entirely. alex was never completely "brainwashed". it was revealed that he did most of the brotherhood stuff on his own. also, when he was trying to reform x-factor right before mutant x, he did express interest in lorna again.

[Dizzy D]

well, not entirely. alex was never completely "brainwashed". it was revealed that he did most of the brotherhood stuff on his own. also, when he was trying to reform x-factor right before mutant x, he did express interest in lorna again.

I thought he was completely brainwashed at the point where he attacked X-factor during Onslaught. He shook it off IMHO when he founded the fourth Brotherhood and got Fatale and Dark Beast out of their cells.

As for the end of X-factor: yes, he expressed interest, but Lorna didn't at that time. In return when he awoke from his coma, Lorna expressed interest while he went for Annie. And currently it is Alex again who is interested, while Lorna isn't.

[streator]

I thought he was completely brainwashed at the point where he attacked X-factor during Onslaught. He shook it off IMHO when he founded the fourth Brotherhood and got Fatale and Dark Beast out of their cells.

As for the end of X-factor: yes, he expressed interest, but Lorna didn't at that time. In return when he awoke from his coma, Lorna expressed interest while he went for Annie. And currently it is Alex again who is interested, while Lorna isn't.
i'll have to go back and check, but i thought i remember alex explaining that he did the whole brotherhood thing on his own, and stayed arount to keep mc coy in check.
as per lorna, i found it interesting that her next appearances (after x-factor ended) had her kind-of delusionally in love with alex. i am referencing her appearances pre-the twelve, where kurt ran into her and she was being chased for alex's costume. she seemed to be written out of character to me.

[Dizzy D]

i'll have to go back and check, but i thought i remember alex explaining that he did the whole brotherhood thing on his own, and stayed arount to keep mc coy in check.
as per lorna, i found it interesting that her next appearances (after x-factor ended) had her kind-of delusionally in love with alex. i am referencing her appearances pre-the twelve, where kurt ran into her and she was being chased for alex's costume. she seemed to be written out of character to me.

I totally agree on the 2nd point: Lorna had grown into an independent woman in X-factor and when she shows up again Uncanny, she suddenly is afraid to go out and is talking to Alex's empty uniform. Very, very odd.

[Brian R]

Can someone give me the full rosters for the Uncanny and Adjectiveless* teams?

*Isnt it kinda funny that Marvel's decision to go with the simpler title "X-Men" makes it necessary for us to designated with a word even longer and harder to type than Uncanny?

[mattbib]

Can someone give me the full rosters for the Uncanny and Adjectiveless* teams?
Check out the Current Title Information (http://uncannyxmen.net/db/current/default.asp) page at UncannyXMen.net .

[fishtaco]

Can someone give me the full rosters for the Uncanny and Adjectiveless* teams?

*Isnt it kinda funny that Marvel's decision to go with the simpler title "X-Men" makes it necessary for us to designated with a word even longer and harder to type than Uncanny?Marvel Girl III, Psylocke, Bishop, Storm, Nightcrawler makes up Uncanny.

X-Men (2nd Series) is Havok, Polaris, Iceman, Emma Frost, Wolverine, Gambit, and Rogue. :)

[Chris Thomas]

ok--tried to read alot of this thread and my head hurts. please help me figure out a couple of things
realize, I read the xmen to about issue 155 (original series) and stopped in the 80's. have read almost nothing since except 2 of morrison's 'new' trades and alot of xstatic/xforce.. and the whedon stuff

please could someone:

1. explains the phoenix saga retcon to me. I understand that now she wasn't inhabited by an alien cosmic force but may have actually been an alien cosmic force or something? and where is jean grey now?

2. magneto dead/alive/dead/alive what the hell? and where is he now?

3. best tbp of the xmen since 1984 except for the morrison or whedon stuff ?

4. was the milligan/allred xforce/static stuff REALLy in continuity? how the hell could it be?

5. how long ago (real time) did colossus die and in what issue?

6. why did nightcrawler leave?

7. where is the mutant formally-known-as-banshee?

thanks in advance. former xmen hardcore 25 years ago. now a newb again.

[The Fury]

please could someone:

1. explains the phoenix saga retcon to me. I understand that now she wasn't inhabited by an alien cosmic force but may have actually been an alien cosmic force or something? and where is jean grey now?

2. magneto dead/alive/dead/alive what the hell? and where is he now?

3. best tbp of the xmen since 1984 except for the morrison or whedon stuff ?

4. was the milligan/allred xforce/static stuff REALLy in continuity? how the hell could it be?

5. how long ago (real time) did colossus die and in what issue?

6. why did nightcrawler leave?

7. where is the mutant formally-known-as-banshee?

thanks in advance. former xmen hardcore 25 years ago. now a newb again.
I'll have a go, but if I get anything wrong, no doubt someone will come along and correct me. If my answer are also crap. Sorry.

1)The idea I think is that Jean Grey died in teh shuttle and was left in the NY harbour in an egg to be reborn, the Phoenix took over and created a Jean like person whihc went on to die as you know. Then later in Fantastic Four Jean grey was rebron from the egg. Jean lived until only recent;y when a fake Magneo killed her, she is currently dead (or residing in theWhite Hot Room, depending on how you want to look at it).

2) Yeah hes had more supposed deaths then Jean. But he's currently alive and doing some crazy crap to teh world in the House of M books. Before then, a fake Magneto died in Morrison's run, we're all confused by it.

3) No idea, don't buy TPB's really, but Morrison's stuff is good I suppose. Skip anyhing by Austen.

4) It is in continuity. Unless something was mentioedn about that it isn't. But as far as I know it is and alwasy has been.

5) Colossus died in Uncanny #390, about4-5 years ago now. As you may know he's alive and well again.

6) Nightcrawler is still around and has been for years. *thinks* Last time he could have left was maybe when he went over to Excalibur, but he's nearly alway been part of the X-men.

7) Bansheee has been in a coma for the last 3-4 years afer having his throat slit by Mistique. Although we haven't seen (or heard) anything else of him since that happened.

Hope I answer the question to your satisfaction. :)

[atoningunifex]

Yeah, Jean was dying in the shuttle and somehow the Phoenix Force noticed this and came down and made Jean a deal- Phoenix would save the X-Men if Jean agreed to let the Phoenix take her place. So Jean said "No prob" and was wrapped in a mattress and put at the bottom of the Hudson while Phoenix went around posing as her, killing 6 billion asparagus people and then dying on the moon.

Jean was later rescued by the Fantastic Four. She joined X-Factor and eventually met her evil clone, Maddie Pryor. Jean absorbed Maddie's mind when Maddie died and also somehow got the memories of the Phoenix. (I'm a bit vague on that- it's been more than 15 years after all). So now she's just Jean again.

In Morrison's run Jean started accessing her Phoenix potential again. Wolverine killed her in space and the Phoenix Force ressurected her. She was killed a few hours later by Magneto.

150 years in the future Jean was brought back to life again by Sublime. But it was really the final steps of the Phoenix's Cure for Earth's Sublime infection. Jean amputated the future that led to Sublime's taking