View Full Version : Permanently Alter X History
slively
10-07-2005, 08:25 PM
This thread was inspired by a similiar one started by venuscameback over at Livewire World (see sig) except that it focuses exclusively on the X-Men.
If you could use the Scarlet Witch to permanently alter the history of the X-Men, what aspects of their history would you rewrite through the Scarlet Witch?
What storylines do you wish had never happened so much that you'd have the Scarlet Witch write them out of comics history?
Cayman
10-07-2005, 08:30 PM
I'd write away the whole damn Legacy Virus.
Cay
xakko
10-07-2005, 08:49 PM
I love Cay's idea, but for the sake of my sanity, I would undo "The Draco" and go with Mystique as Nightcrawler's father and Destiny as his mother.
I'd so much prefer to undo Legacy or Pryde-Wisdom or Planet X/Here Comes Tomorrow, but none have been as harmful to a character as this was to poor Kurt.
slively
10-07-2005, 09:26 PM
I love Cay's idea, but for the sake of my sanity, I would undo "The Draco" and go with Mystique as Nightcrawler's father and Destiny as his mother.
I'd so much prefer to undo Legacy or Pryde-Wisdom or Planet X/Here Comes Tomorrow, but none have been as harmful to a character as this was to poor Kurt.
Mystique as Nightcrawler's father?! :eek: Gah. You just warped me!!
xakko
10-07-2005, 09:30 PM
Mystique as Nightcrawler's father?! :eek: Gah. You just warped me!!
She's a shapechanger and the love of her life was Destiny. She was seen as a male in X-Men: True Friends. Why does this weird you out?
slively
10-07-2005, 09:39 PM
She's a shapechanger and the love of her life was Destiny. She was seen as a male in X-Men: True Friends. Why does this weird you out?
Cause I have never read X-Men: True Friends!! I know she can shape-shift, but I still thought she was fundamentally a female, if that makes sense. So the idea of her actually being able to "father" a child is disturbing.
Doesn't she have a determined gender? Or was she born a hermaphrodite?
Talk about therapist bills. Poor Kurt.
Uncle Nobs
10-07-2005, 09:40 PM
Slively just found out that Mystique as Kurt's daddy was Claremont's original plan.
Does that mean Slively just leveled-up in the geek game? Can she carry up to 4 melee weapons now? Is she immune to fire attacks? Can she paralyze men with just a gaze? Does she need a 12-sided die to calculate her charisma points?
slively
10-07-2005, 09:42 PM
Slively just found out that Mystique as Kurt's daddy was Claremont's original plan.
Does that mean Slively just leveled-up in the geek game? Can she carry up to 4 melee weapons now? Is she immune to fire attacks? Can she paralyze men with just a gaze? Does she need a 12-sided die to calculate her charisma points?
:D Once my brain stops exploding, all of the above!!
Uncle Nobs
10-07-2005, 09:50 PM
What, you don't spontaneously grow male genitalia and impregnate your geriatric lesbian lover? I mean that's just good manners.
slively
10-07-2005, 10:16 PM
What, you don't spontaneously grow male genitalia and impregnate your geriatric lesbian lover? I mean that's just good manners.
:eek: :D my life suddenly seems so very boring!!
The Pizza Man
10-07-2005, 10:37 PM
Uncanny 273 seemd like an incredible build up to the New Mutants, X-Factor, and X-Men working to gether and really making an impact on the marvel universe. Cable, Cyclops, and Storm competing as leaders would have been good reading. So I would have the X-Men not rescuing Xavier.
moebius
10-08-2005, 01:38 AM
This is a hard one. It's like asking "What is the Clone Saga of the X-Men books."
I think I'd go with: Xorneto was the real Magneto, and everything since has been the result of Xavier tampering with his memories and powers to "reform" him.
Erik Lehnsherr
10-08-2005, 01:41 AM
Any Wolverine/Magneto confrontation since 2001. Wolverine should of BEEN dead or crippled. For good.
The Fury
10-08-2005, 04:14 AM
What, you don't spontaneously grow male genitalia and impregnate your geriatric lesbian lover? I mean that's just good manners.
I don't mean to sound...er too logical. but that is impossible. while yes she is well capable of growing...you know...it would be impossible for her to produce sperm.
She is still a woman and just becuase she changes shape to LOOK like a male doesn't mean she is one.
Also one thing I'd change. I'd change that Cap B lost to The Fury.
MWHAHAHahahahaha, Bye Bye Marvel Heroes
Cayman
10-08-2005, 05:04 AM
Let's see, what else?
I'd probably write the recent Excalibur revival completely out of existence.
The Draco as well, pretty bad that one.
Cay
The Sword Is Drawn
10-08-2005, 05:16 AM
I'd rewrite Captain Britain loosing his powers in Excalibur, or remove that horrible Raab mini-series.
Alternatively I'd remove pretty much everything that Morrison ever did, which would therefore negate the need for House of M, negating Wanda ever realising she could reshape the world, and therefore the whole of reality disappearing in one giant blink of logic...
The Fury
10-08-2005, 07:08 AM
Alternatively I'd remove pretty much everything that Morrison ever did, which would therefore negate the need for House of M, negating Wanda ever realising she could reshape the world, and therefore the whole of reality disappearing in one giant blink of logic...
Ok, I'm confused, how by what Morrison wrote did House of M come about exactly? How did he create the HoM to occur and how Wanda could reshape reality? I mean when did he EVER use Wanda?
You know Bendis came up with the idea for HoM, right? And Wanda going crazy, but ehn the reality manipulation thing, she's always been able to do that it wasn't as obvious before becuase it was minor and on a small scale. He powers were/are basically probablity changing, right? thereforeit's very close to reality, if she were to change the probablitly of Hulk actually being Peter Parker from 1 in 10000000000000000000 to 1 in 1, it will happen. And therefore she has changed reality.
Sorry, I didn't mean to be arguementitive but Morrison had nothign to do with HoM.
Beast
10-08-2005, 09:57 AM
Get rid of the Draco, most definatly. Mystique was the father and Destiny the mother. That's how it should have played out, and where all the hints were leading. But alas, we got Count Wagner. Not that it was bad, but then they decide to make it even worse by involving an Ancient Mutant who was believed to be the devil. Barf.
Kitty Beast. Get rid of that damn feline look. It doesn't fit with his original mutation, or even his altered mutation that made him more apelike. How exactly do you 'devolve' from Apeman to Feline? If anything he should have become more Apelike, like that one 'What If' story where he got more apelike. Not sure what it was in.
Xorneto. He was just a construct of Scarlet Witch's. A nightmare version of her father demonized by Wanda's madness. Same with 'Sublime', make it just a demonized nightmare version of 'That Which Endures', created due to trauma that Wanda's been holding onto since she was first posessed by TWE in West Coast Avengers.
streator
10-08-2005, 10:30 AM
i would have the x-teams not reform when they did after the muir island saga. meaning, there would be no blue/gold teams, x-men at the mansion, or the new x-factor. i'd have them all doing something else, some of them even retiring. nothing to do with xavier directly, though.
Cayman
10-08-2005, 10:37 AM
Generation X would never exist.
Cay
Cayman
10-08-2005, 10:48 AM
X-Man and Cable would never exist. New Mutants would never become X-Force.
Cay
Cayman
10-08-2005, 10:49 AM
Scott Lobdell and Joe Kelly got hired at DC, rather than Marvel, and never worked on the X-Men ever.
Cay
Michael P
10-08-2005, 11:20 AM
Jean stays dead.
Adam Crocker
10-08-2005, 11:28 AM
Jean stays dead.
That's the big one for me. Bringing her back was stupid, and even moreso was how it was pulled off.
Ok, I'm confused, how by what Morrison wrote did House of M come about exactly? How did he create the HoM to occur and how Wanda could reshape reality? I mean when did he EVER use Wanda?
He could be referring to the statements made by Bendis and Quesada that House of M will address the Xorneto issue, but his reasoning is still off. House of M has yet to address the issue and it seems to have played a trivial role in this crossover coming about. The main reason for it -- besides creating a big crossover to temporarily boost sales -- seems to be to introduce other changes to the Marvel Universe...and a slew of new X-titles. Moreover, they wiped out or ignored a lot of Morrison's changes after he left the title and House of M doesn't seem to have been planned with Claremonth pitched Excalibur. (Bendis in fact states it came around after he finished "Disassembled.")
With Magneto being controlled by Sublime in Planet X the only thing that really needed to be addressed is his death if they still wanted to continue using the character. And even if he wasn't being controlled by Sublime it still wouldn't necessitate a big crossover since it could be handled within the X-Men titles.
fishtaco
10-08-2005, 01:34 PM
- The Draco
- The death of Illyana Rasputin
- The Kwannon mess.
- Death of Colossus
- AOA II
- Colossus turning into an Acolyte.
- Any other continuity error.
- Magneto becoming a villain again.
- and then again pre House of M
Atomic Mongoose
10-08-2005, 01:38 PM
[COLOR=Purple]I don't mean to sound...er too logical. but that is impossible. while yes she is well capable of growing...you know...it would be impossible for her to produce sperm.
She is still a woman and just becuase she changes shape to LOOK like a male doesn't mean she is one.
I think that in terms of altering a small part of the X-Universe, I might just change Mystique's origin a little bit. Howabout revealing that part of "her" mutation is that she was born completely genderless? "It" was and is able to take on any form it desires, and as a result, "it" has always been most comfortable in the template form of a female. I think that would be kind of cool, to set Mystique just one more notch above the rest of the shapeshifters in terms of mystery or "weird" factor. Bottom line is: I would make Mystique neither a "he" nor "she".
Christopher O
10-08-2005, 01:43 PM
I don't mean to sound...er too logical. but that is impossible. while yes she is well capable of growing...you know...it would be impossible for her to produce sperm.
She is still a woman and just becuase she changes shape to LOOK like a male doesn't mean she is one.
Why is it impossible for her to produce sperm? Has it ever been stated explicitly that her inner body doesn't morph as well?
xakko
10-08-2005, 01:50 PM
I don't mean to sound...er too logical. but that is impossible. while yes she is well capable of growing...you know...it would be impossible for her to produce sperm.
She is still a woman and just becuase she changes shape to LOOK like a male doesn't mean she is one.
Also one thing I'd change. I'd change that Cap B lost to The Fury.
MWHAHAHahahahaha, Bye Bye Marvel Heroes
Are you sure?
Per uncannyxmen.net, she is a "metamorphic shape-shifter with a perfect cell memory able to rearrange the formation of her cellular structure", including the ability to "adapt specific genetic traits". Why doesn't the creation of functional testes follow naturally from that? And since males are constantly creating genetic material, as opposed to women getting stuck with a finite number, I don't see why this isn't a problem. If she can alter her eyes to give herself night vision, I think she could father a child.
But I could be wrong.
fishtaco
10-08-2005, 02:05 PM
Are you sure?
Per uncannyxmen.net, she is a "metamorphic shape-shifter with a perfect cell memory able to rearrange the formation of her cellular structure", including the ability to "adapt specific genetic traits". Why doesn't the creation of functional testes follow naturally from that? And since males are constantly creating genetic material, as opposed to women getting stuck with a finite number, I don't see why this isn't a problem. If she can alter her eyes to give herself night vision, I think she could father a child.
But I could be wrong.You are probably right, but think about how much control she would need to have over her mutant ability to pull that off! ;)
Grazzt
10-08-2005, 02:36 PM
Northstar would have used his superspeed to smack down Wolverine during the "Enemy of the State" storyline. Then him and Hector would have gone out for dinner and clubbing.
We can always dream, huh?
Alan2099
10-08-2005, 02:54 PM
I'd got a couple.
Jean Grey was never the Phoenix. Phoenix just coppied her body and left her to heal. That's it. Jean never had any furthr ties to the cosmic force.
Draco I can agree with. Ditch that. Still, I'm not fond of Mystique being Nightcrawler's father either. Mystique is his mother. His father was a German count of no other importance. That's it.
Onslaught wasn't created when Xavier absorbed the "evil" from Magneto. He was pure Xavier the whole time.
slively
10-08-2005, 07:02 PM
I don't mean to sound...er too logical. but that is impossible. while yes she is well capable of growing...you know...it would be impossible for her to produce sperm.
She is still a woman and just becuase she changes shape to LOOK like a male doesn't mean she is one.
See!! That is what I thought!! Now I don't feel so....ignorant. :cool:
slively
10-08-2005, 07:10 PM
Since I can't delete my spontaneous happy posts, I am at least shortening them.
slively
10-08-2005, 07:14 PM
I think that in terms of altering a small part of the X-Universe, I might just change Mystique's origin a little bit. Howabout revealing that part of "her" mutation is that she was born completely genderless? "It" was and is able to take on any form it desires, and as a result, "it" has always been most comfortable in the template form of a female. I think that would be kind of cool, to set Mystique just one more notch above the rest of the shapeshifters in terms of mystery or "weird" factor. Bottom line is: I would make Mystique neither a "he" nor "she".
I like that idea! What exactly is her origin? Do we know? (well, obviously I don't :o )
slively
10-08-2005, 07:15 PM
You are probably right, but think about how much control she would need to have over her mutant ability to pull that off! ;)
GAH!! I don't want to think about that :eek:
slively
10-08-2005, 07:18 PM
Are you sure?
Per uncannyxmen.net, she is a "metamorphic shape-shifter with a perfect cell memory able to rearrange the formation of her cellular structure", including the ability to "adapt specific genetic traits". Why doesn't the creation of functional testes follow naturally from that? And since males are constantly creating genetic material, as opposed to women getting stuck with a finite number, I don't see why this isn't a problem. If she can alter her eyes to give herself night vision, I think she could father a child.
But I could be wrong.
I think Mystique should have her own thread!! :p It seems to me she is way more interesting than some of the fabled X-Men.
Why is she not being used more (and better)?
This sounds like good stuff to me!! :D
Alan2099
10-08-2005, 08:17 PM
Slively, you can edit your posts. You don't have to multi post.
Adam Crocker
10-08-2005, 08:42 PM
Northstar would have used his superspeed to smack down Wolverine during the "Enemy of the State" storyline. Then him and Hector would have gone out for dinner and clubbing.
Hector? Who's Hector?
slively
10-08-2005, 08:59 PM
Slively, you can edit your posts. You don't have to multi post.
Yes, I can. But that is too much like work!! :)
If it will make you feel better, I will try to restrain myself in the future. No more happy spontaneous posting.
Alpha to Omega
10-08-2005, 09:31 PM
Hector? Who's Hector?
He was a supporting character from the Hulk during PAD's run. He was a member of the Pantheon who were a group of superhumans led by the demi-god Agamemnon. He was gay and flirted with Northstar at Rick's wedding and later in one of Marvel's Swimsuit specials there was a pin-up of him and Nothstar sunbathing together.
The Sword Is Drawn
10-09-2005, 04:24 AM
Ok, I'm confused, how by what Morrison wrote did House of M come about exactly? How did he create the HoM to occur and how Wanda could reshape reality? I mean when did he EVER use Wanda?
You know Bendis came up with the idea for HoM, right? And Wanda going crazy, but ehn the reality manipulation thing, she's always been able to do that it wasn't as obvious before becuase it was minor and on a small scale. He powers were/are basically probablity changing, right? thereforeit's very close to reality, if she were to change the probablitly of Hulk actually being Peter Parker from 1 in 10000000000000000000 to 1 in 1, it will happen. And therefore she has changed reality.
Sorry, I didn't mean to be arguementitive but Morrison had nothign to do with HoM.
I guess what I'm driving at is that had New X-Men never occurred then the downwards spiral of quality in the X-Books would have been far less significant to require a gigantic reboot. Wheras House of M is not solely a X-Universe reboot, but a means of neatening up the WHOLE Marvel universe, some of Morrison's concepts, such as the huge growth in the mutant population, are one of the chief things which are been 'sorted out' by it.
The Fury
10-09-2005, 05:20 AM
I would make Mystique neither a "he" nor "she".
She could be, and the fact that some human's have this condition as well, maybe prove true. But does that mean she can/is producing sperm. We know she is producing eggs, she gave birth to Nightcrawler after all. So she's more female then she is male. As far as we know.
But then, when she is attached with a power inhibitor, she does revert to a femal form.
Why is it impossible for her to produce sperm? Has it ever been stated explicitly that her inner body doesn't morph as well?
Your very right we don't. But producing sperm is not a simple process as just making ...you know... Buit on your assumption, she would also gain a lot more things while she morphed, male hormones being one. And what about when she changes into an animal, what happens then?
Surely for her to change that much and not just her outward appearence or (as there is evidence for this) shifting her internal organ around a bit (not changing just moving them) she would have to change some of her genetic material as well. So in essence she coula actually become someone else completey.
Are you sure?
No, but then are you?
Now while she maybe able to change many thing, lets say she can in a way produce sperm then there is one problem. This sperm will be a product of her shape shifting abilities correct? therefore what happenes to it when it leaves her body? Surely she no longer has control over what it is. It will revert to it's previous state of what ever that was.
But with all this, I don't know. But I belive she won't be able to do it, like many of you must believe she can.
Aslo, Sword is Drawn, I understand your point now.
The Sword Is Drawn
10-09-2005, 06:51 AM
Aslo, Sword is Drawn, I understand your point now.
That's okay. My fault for hurriedly typing all that at work, without making myself clearer. :D
xakko
10-09-2005, 11:18 AM
Your very right we don't. But producing sperm is not a simple process as just making ...you know... Buit on your assumption, she would also gain a lot more things while she morphed, male hormones being one. And what about when she changes into an animal, what happens then?
Women have testosterone, among other "male" hormones. I'm just saying that the change seems to happen to soem degree at a genetic level according to the power description. So I'm not sure, but we do know one writer intended on it being possible.
Uncle Nobs
10-09-2005, 08:18 PM
Mystique can't produce sperm. (paraphrased just for the sake of brevity)
As well-reasoned as your argument is, Fury, I still have to disagree with you.
First, you're arguing about what a character can't do against the actual creator of the character, who says she can. To me, that pretty much settles the question.
But just like you, I understand that even with that question settled, there's still a need to figure out how it works logically. So here's my take:
We don't know if Mystique's metamorphic abilities only involve a simple change of her outward appearance, or if they're more complicated and involve extensive, intricate, internal changes. It's true that she might just be a walking pile of flesh-goop, able to simply form herself as she pleases. But it's just as true that everytime she looks like a man, it might involve a thorough change in anatomy and endocrinology.
I would imagine that her metamorphoses are probably as thorough as she needs them to be.
So if she makes herself look like a fat policeman, she might only need to look like a fat policeman.
If she copies Val Cooper, she might need to copy Val's fingerprints or her retinas in order to use her security clearance. That's pretty intricate shapeshifting.
If she copies Logan or Kurt, she actually grows entirely new sets of bones, muscles, tendons, ligaments, nerves, and vasculature in order to use her new claws or tail. So if that's how it works when she grows those kinds of appendages, surely she would have to make the same kind of intricate changes any time she chooses to grow a penis. ..."penis"? ...Why am I being so careful not to offend when I'm talking about Halloweentown hermaphroditic porking?
So I would think that making a pair of functional testes wouldn't be much more complicated. I'd imagine that it might take more concentration to complete the process, but it seems well within her abilities to me.
As far as what happens to the sperm once it leaves her (his) body, I would imagine that it would remain functional. I mean, what would it turn into? An egg? A "blank" metamorphic cell? If she has taken the time to create functional sperm cells, I don't think they'd revert to "blank" metamorphic cells just because they're no longer in her (his) body. That sounds a little too much like a magic spell wearing off to me. That would be like if she cut her fingernails and as they fell to the ground, they each changed into "blank" metamorphic cells. She made fingernails. They stay fingernails.
(I just want to say that NONE of this means that I would take this "extensive, intricate, internal changes" theory to the extreme and assume that her shapechanging affects her DNA each time. Obviously, the changes would not affect her DNA, or else she would actually become someone else. This also would not make sense especially because mutant powers are supposedly imprinted on DNA. So if her DNA changed, she would lose her own mutant powers, as well as gain any mutant powers associated with the DNA she was copying. Plus, she'd have to somehow have the ability to "read" someone's DNA in order to copy it. That's all hogwash. I just wanted to address that cockamamie idea preemptively in case someone assumed I was suggesting such a wild theory.)
But even if anyone wants to argue about exactly HOW it works, the fact is we're talking about pseudo-biology here. Complete fiction. So if the character's creator says it can be done, that's that.
Uncle Nobs
10-09-2005, 08:22 PM
Wow...
I just spent a half-hour discussing Mystique's balls.
I hope I never run into Rebecca Romijn now.
Callie
10-09-2005, 08:46 PM
I'd rather not contemplate what Mystique can and can't do. ;) I will sit over in the fundamentally female camp though.
I would be happy with erasing the Draco story. It was so so contrived. The religious X-man has a devil for a daddy! Oh nooooos! :rolleyes:
And the Xorneto mess. I liked it better when Magneto was Xorn.
I would also simplify Jean/Phoenix's whole storyline. Too many retcons; too many different writer's takes on what Phoenix is.
slively
10-09-2005, 10:30 PM
Wow...
I just spent a half-hour discussing Mystique's balls.
I hope I never run into Rebecca Romijn now.
And a fine half-hour it was!! :D I am going to dream of Mystique's genitals tonight!!
Uncle Nobs
10-09-2005, 10:51 PM
I am going to dream of Mystique's genitals tonight!!
In a light pesto sauce, perhaps?
slively
10-09-2005, 10:56 PM
In a light pesto sauce, perhaps?
GAH :eek: I said DREAM, not ingest!!
Uncle Nobs
10-09-2005, 11:14 PM
You're just full of "GAH!" aren't you?
What was the topic of this thread again--Permanently Alter Slively's Brain?
slively
10-09-2005, 11:44 PM
You're just full of "GAH!" aren't you?
What was the topic of this thread again--Permanently Alter Slively's Brain?
Gah is my newest most favorite-est word. And just getting out of bed in the morning alters my brain! Stop picking on me!! :evilsmile
Uncle Nobs
10-10-2005, 12:04 AM
Gah is my newest most favorite-est word. And just getting out of bed in the morning alters my brain! Stop picking on me!! :evilsmile
I'm picked-on. I'm the most picked-on person there is right now. Only fair I get to pick back. You just happen to be everywhere I go. Why you gotta make stalking so easy?
My newest most favorite-est word is "husscat". But you probably guessed that.
Uncle Nobs
10-10-2005, 12:12 AM
Alright. I'm feeling very responsible for derailing this thread. So I now present my actual answer to the actual topic at hand:
I wouldn't alter anything. I'm opposed to the spoiled fanboy school of thought that says, "Retcons suck. I want consistency. What's done is done. We need progressive stories. Except for stuff that sucks. Anything that sucks should be retconned."
So there.
But secretly, I hate stupid, stupid bone claws and the stupid, stupid Origin that retroactively spawned them.
Gah.
slively
10-10-2005, 12:20 AM
I'm picked-on. I'm the most picked-on person there is right now. Only fair I get to pick back. You just happen to be everywhere I go. Why you gotta make stalking so easy?
My newest most favorite-est word is "husscat". But you probably guessed that.
Perhaps I enjoy being stalked by a man in pantaloons. It's not something that happens to me everyday!
Gah.
See how addictive the Gah is?! The Gah has power. The Gah feels good.
The Fury
10-10-2005, 05:52 AM
I just spent a half-hour discussing Mystique's balls.
I understand all your points, just I disagree with them.
If I understood this right, in order for her to do...you know...she'd have to change genetic code as well. Then why isn't she as powerful as Mimic?
This conversation is actually starting to creep me out.
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what am I talking about 'starting to'?
slively
10-10-2005, 03:50 PM
This conversation is actually starting to creep me out.
It was the pesto sauce, wasn't it? :p
jadegiant77
10-10-2005, 04:11 PM
Gosh, you have three hours? :D
The Twelve storyline and all it produced(with the X-ception of Wolvie regaining his adamantium).
The Draco, of course.
Iceman being forever made of ice.
the latest death of Phoenix
that whole stupid Foxx/Mystique thing, whose only purpose was to drive yet another wedge between Rogue and Gambit
Scott & Emma
Rachel's new costume(ick!)
Archangel regaining his feathered wings, which once again made him 100% useless in battle.
those silly mutant wolves (whatever the hell they were called) and the Neo
oh BTW, Mystique , when she shape-shifts, becomes an actual male, so yes, she can produce sperm. :eek:
X-Men #20-21, 31-32 which reveals Psylocke to be in a completely different body with the revelation of the horrid Revanche/Kwannon character. Psylocke's origin is far more simpler to be mystically changed by Spiral from British to Asian body with her bionic eyes intact. But no, Fabien Ninzcea had to muddle Psylocke's character by not reading Uncanny X-Men #256. Excuses, excuses...
Uncanny X-Men #329-331, Psylocke & Archangel: The Crimson Dawn #1-4 added yet another knot into Psylocke's character. The Crimson Dawn powers gave Betsy an additional set of powers, but Scott Lobdell ignored any true character development for Betsy. Therefore, Psylocke just had another set of powers. And a bad fashion statement with her Crimson Dawn tattoo.
The entire Joe Casey & Chuck Austen Uncanny X-Men stories.
The Twelve storyline
The Search for Xavier storyline (sentient Cerebro)
The Magneto War, The storyline when Magneto taps into the Earth's magnetic field (a leftover Chris Claremont story put on to Magneto's character since he killed Zaladane for doing the exact the same thing)...
Uncle Nobs
10-12-2005, 12:53 AM
I understand all your points, just I disagree with them.
If I understood this right, in order for her to do...you know...she'd have to change genetic code as well. Then why isn't she as powerful as Mimic?
Wait... I actually very clearly said that she would NOT be able to change at the genetic level. I wrote a big, fat paragraph about how she wouldn't be able to alter her DNA--just because I was afraid someone would assume I was suggesting that. I tried to prevent this exact situation from happening, but it's almost as if you didn't read what I wrote.
Am I missing something here, or did you misread my post? It's cool if we just disagree, but I'm seriously confused by your comments.
Optimus
10-12-2005, 01:43 AM
The Xavier as Onslaught story. The idea of an x-traiter was neat. But with Jean saying 'we never should have trusted, we knew so little about...' and then make it about Professor X. That was stupid. And obviously not what was originally intended.
Runner up would be Madeline Prior, Cyclops's ex wife becoming a villain so she could be killed off and thus ending the nasty little business of Cyclops as an asshole who leaves his wife and son. It was too convenient. 'Yeah Cyclops did a horrible thing, but his wife was a villain, so he had to leave her'.
Optimus
10-12-2005, 01:58 AM
Oh yeah, and Maggot and Marrow were never X-Men.
Charagon
10-12-2005, 02:04 AM
Pryde/Wisdom never happened
Illyana remains alive
Number of mutants in the world drastically decreases to like, one in ten million people
Jean's alive again
Psylocke contracts the legacy virus and dies and stays dead. :evilsmile
jadegiant77
10-12-2005, 04:18 PM
Number of mutants in the world drastically decreases to like, one in ten million people
Jean's alive again
Those two will be coming true sooner than you think... ;)
Erik Lehnsherr
10-12-2005, 08:19 PM
The Magneto War, The storyline when Magneto taps into the Earth's magnetic field (a leftover Chris Claremont story put on to Magneto's character since he killed Zaladane for doing the exact the same thing)...
Whoa...Zaladane didn't know what she was doing long term but Magneto had the situationi in hand until Joseph interfered and screwed everything up. It made sense he would strike out like that after what the X-Men and government pulled at the end of Fatal Attractions.
Alpha to Omega
10-12-2005, 08:32 PM
I'd make it so that Magneto really died in Genosha when the Sentinal crashed and there really was a Xorn who never betrayed the X-Men.
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