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Nightcrawler
10-06-2005, 06:50 PM
Anyone can vote. Please read both strategies before voting.

Anthony Johansen- Captain Marvel, Superman, Plastic Man, Green Lantern V

Twilight- Bizzaro, Sinestro, Dr. Light, Dr. Polaris, Aquaman


Here is Twilight's strategy:

As soon as the match starts Sinestro uses his power ring to surround Captain Marvel,Superman and Green Lantern in a force field,It won’t hold them for long so my team will move fast.Bizarro will engage Plastic Man and use a combination of his fire breath and ice vision to knock him out of the match.Releasing his forcefield Sinestro will then engage Green Lantern with the aid of Dr.Polaris while Bizarro squares off with Superman.Dr Light will distract Captain Marvel from helping his teammates.

Dr Polaris will screw around with Green Lantern by magnetically disturbing his equilibrium and other tricks making him easy prey for Sinestro,a much more experienced ring wielder.With his attention fixed on Sinestro,Green Lantern is killed when Polaris pulls all the iron out of his body.

Bizarro is even stronger than Superman so the last Kryptonian should still be busy if not losing
outright.

With Green Lantern out Captain Marvel finds himself alone against Dr Polaris,Sinestro and Dr Light.Polaris binds Marvel to the ground with his powers and Billy Batson is unmercifully pummeled by massive ring energy mallets and blasts of energy with the heat of the sun.The three villains will be flying erratically to avoid any lightning their target may call down.Captain Marvel is tough but soon enough he will fall and the two doctor and Sinestro will turn their attention to Superman.

Much like Captain Marvel,Superman finds himself being magnetically dragged to the ground and beaten to the brink of death by Bizarro’s fists,Sinestro’s power ring and Dr Lights energy blasts.Tied to the ground and and with his eyes covered with a hard light construct to prevent any heat vision blasts,Superman is punched in the face by Aquaman,ending his life.

(Please note that Aquaman possesses enough strength to go toe-to-toe with Superman class foes and one punch should be enough to finish an extremely weakened Superman.)


And Anthony Johansen's strategy:

First off, there are 2 bug threats that have to be taken care of: Bizarro and Sinestro:

Phase 1:

Superman takes to going after Bizarro, now Bizarro is physically stronger than Superman, but can be out witted, which Superman will be performing hit-and run attacks(which can be basically anything used in his arsenal), dekeing and faking when needed, avoiding all direct confrontation for a bit.

If Superman is forced into direct confrontation: Superman must fight for a bit (3 to 4 "rounds) then break away and start the hit and run attacks.

Also simultaneously, Captain Marvel and Kyle Rayner go after Sinestro, at this point, it all depends if Sinestro has enough time to get his shield up:

If Sinestro can get his shield up: This is the tricky part, as it will take The combined force of Captain Marvel(using fists,lightning blasts) and Kyle Rayner( using constructs) to take Sinestro's shield down and then start to get confrontational for the K.O

If Sinestro cant get his shield up: This makes the plan a lot eaisier as Sinestro has not been must for durability and will get taken down quickly by the combined might of Captain Marvel and Kyle Rayner.

If Sinestro Captures either Kyle Rayner or Captain Marvel: This is real tricky, as

plan 1) Kyle Rayner and Captain Marvel are going to have to try and break Sinestro's concentration, or Kyle can pry open the capture device for a moment, enough for either member to get out

plan 2) If the capture construct cannot be broken out of, Captain Marvel will be trying to bring lightning bolts down on Sinestro, while Kyle tries to put constructs(shields, capture devices, etc.) around Sinestro. (while Sinestro will break out of the constructs with ease, this might break his concentration, freeing them (or he). If all else fails, Superman will have to end up trying to blitz Sinestro into a KO,while this will leave him open to shots by Bizarro, it has to be done.

Plastic Man runs interference, trying to keep the remaining members from helping their buddies (like turning into a big parachute to bounce them back down if they are trying to fly,grabbing them and tying them up kinda like a big rope to prevent them from causing any damage, or if all else fails, smother until Ko'ed.

Phase 2:

This should leave Aquaman, Dr.Polaris, and Dr.Light.

Now with the heavy hitters down, this part of the plan should be simple, as Dr. Polaris and Dr, Light havent done anthing blitz worthy, but have dangerous powers when used correctly, Captain Marvel and Superman go after Dr.Light and Dr.Polaris. Kyle will be creating shields to protect against blows suffered.

If Captain Marvel is blinded: Plastic Man will immediately attack from behind, hopefully taking him by surprise and Koing him, if not, Plastic Man will take Captain Marvel's place for that fight.

If Superman is defeated: Kyle Rayner will take the fight to Polaris with the same battle tactic used against Sinestro (using capturing devices,constructs, and if need be, fists), this much should be enough to take out Dr. Polaris.

Phase 3:

The 4 (3 or possibly 2 against against Aquaman)

At last, the 4 heroes against Aquaman, wailing on him until defeated.

If a Hero gets TP controlled: They have to ignore him and keep wailing on Aqua (except if it is Superman or Rayner, in which case Captain Marvel will keep either one busy)

The Four Heroes then walk off.

Another kink: If Kyle runs out of energy, a hero will replace him where he left off.

After either Superman defeats Bizarro or Kyle and Captain Marvel defeat Sinestro (whichever happens first) The ones that finish will help the other person(or people) with their enemy(either Bizarro or Sinestro).

If Bizarro or Sinestro bring (or manipulate the effects of green kryptonite): Either Superman will have to knock it out of his hand(by any means short of amputation, i.e. heat vision,etc.)

RK_Striker_JK_5
10-06-2005, 06:52 PM
Going with Twilight on this one.

The Wayner
10-06-2005, 07:00 PM
My vote is for Twilight, too.

Jessica Drew
10-06-2005, 07:23 PM
I'm voting for Twilight, for I think Anthony waits too long to deal with Polaris and Dr. Light; he leaves them free in the first stage so that they can do what Twilight has them do.

Hellpop
10-06-2005, 07:26 PM
I... am not sure yet. I see flaws in both strategies. Anthony's is not quite specific enough, but Twilight's relies on Bizarro a little too much for my taste.

da noble savage
10-06-2005, 07:31 PM
I'm going with twilight on this one. Like what was said earlier I think he should have taken out dr. light and polaris early. Alougth I dont know if polaris is strong enough to hold down supes with out some help.

Hellpop
10-06-2005, 07:38 PM
In the end, I went with Anthony. Ultimately, the deciding factor for me was the Superman/ Bizarro battle. I agree with Anthony that Supes wits are a much greater advantage in this battle than Bizarro's strength.

twilight
10-06-2005, 08:02 PM
In the end, I went with Anthony. Ultimately, the deciding factor for me was the Superman/ Bizarro battle. I agree with Anthony that Supes wits are a much greater advantage in this battle than Bizarro's strength.

Superman is all about protecting people.The first target he's going to go for is the physically strongest opponent,in this case Bizarro.

Jessica Drew
10-06-2005, 08:33 PM
Superman is all about protecting people.The first target he's going to go for is the physically strongest opponent,in this case Bizarro.

True, but in a one-on-one contest, I believe Superman would win this 8/10. He's much, MUCH smarter than Bizarro.

twilight
10-06-2005, 08:36 PM
True, but in a one-on-one contest, I believe Superman would win this 8/10. He's much, MUCH smarter than Bizarro.

Well hypothetically JD would you win a fight against a professional wrestler even though you're much smarter?

Jessica Drew
10-06-2005, 08:38 PM
Well hypothetically JD would you win a fight against a professional wrestler even though you're much smarter?

No, because that professional wrestler would have not only MUCH more strength than my puny body, he'd be faster, and--most importantly--he'd have better fighting skills.

Jessica Drew
10-06-2005, 08:39 PM
Well hypothetically JD would you win a fight against a professional wrestler even though you're much smarter?

Oh, and they're not arm wrestling, either. Mr Costanza doesn't run this league--at least not THIS year.

Hellpop
10-06-2005, 10:27 PM
True, but in a one-on-one contest, I believe Superman would win this 8/10. He's much, MUCH smarter than Bizarro.

That was my thinking also. Bizarro is just too erratic to rely on.

Dark Soul # 7
10-06-2005, 11:15 PM
Take away Aquaman and this fight would be hella cool in the comics.
For this round I vote for Twilight as he´s the overall better strategy, IMO.

twilight
10-06-2005, 11:17 PM
Take away Aquaman and this fight would be hella cool in the comics.
For this round I vote for Twilight as he´s the overall better strategy, IMO.

Aquamans awesome and you know it.

Dark Soul # 7
10-06-2005, 11:25 PM
Aquamans awesome and you know it.Yeah, but in the comics he´s a hero and probably wouldn´t side with your team.

Apathy Boy
10-07-2005, 12:20 AM
I vote for Anthony Johansen. I agree that too much faith in Bizarro is a bad thing, and I don't think Sinestro is going to be able to contain Captain Marvel, Superman and Rayner right off the bat (especially when the first two have superspeed and the third should be able to counter the attack at least temporarily).

I love that Twilight gave the killing blow to Aquaman, though. And I would pay good money to see a Plastic Man/Bizarro fight.

twilight
10-07-2005, 01:49 AM
Yeah, but in the comics he´s a hero and probably wouldn´t side with your team.

He's sick and tired of not being respected and joined up with the bad guys to show how powerful he is.

Anthony
10-07-2005, 09:31 AM
I'm going with Anthony on this one. I don't think Sinestro will be able to catch all three in a containment. Maybe two of the three, but regardless of which two, That containment doesn't last long enough for Bizarro to attack Plastic Man. And that allows for Polaris (who can't affect Plas), Light who would have problems with dealing with him and Aquaman (who also can't affect Plas) to be distracted according to his plan.

Jared_Humpherys
10-07-2005, 09:55 AM
I'm going to have to go with Anthony on this one, for the following reasons:

Sinestro is highly unlikely to contain both Marvel and Kyle at the same time, and here's why:

I know of several feats where a guy with super-strength tears through ring constructs, especially bricks powered by magic(3 instances in Outsiders alone). Also, Sinestro's constructs have been broken by a ring with a yellow weakness before(many, many times). Also, Sinestro apparently wields pure fear energy, which Kye is in a very good position to counter. I think Kyle could very easily stalemate Sinestro's shield, preventing it from surrounding either of them.

And as for Bizarro, i disagree with the pro wrestler analogy. Pardon me if I sound insensitive, but I see the comparison as more akin to Superman fighting a bigger verson of himself with down syndrome or suchlike. Were anyone faced with similar, I would imagine they would be able to win in such a match, particularly if they have the years of experience Superman does.

I think Anthony makes a big mistake by not dealing with Polaris or Light(especially the latter) earlier on, but Kyle has fought the good Doctor on multiple occasions, and IIRC the ring protected him against any attempts of Polaris to affect his insides via magnetism. If twilight had used one of Light's specific anti-GL feats in his strategy(and there's more than one REALLY good ones, and they all happened before his mind was retored), then I would have given twilight the match. As it is, however, Anthony's strategies against Sinestro and Bizarro strike me as more capable than the inverse.

K'Nort
10-07-2005, 12:37 PM
For Twilight:

- How exactly is Dr Light effectively distracting Captain Marvel?


For Anthony:

- Who is Kyle protecting from blows when CapM and Supes are going after Drs Light and Polaris? CapM and Supes can't be punching through the shields.

- Didn't Kyle lose a battle to Polaris? Somewhere with snow.

- What has Aquaman been doing during phase one and two? That's a fair amount of time.


Overall, I don't see whether Sinestro can contain all three at the beginning to be much of an issue because it's cited as being for a very brief time. Failing would really only impact how long Bizarro has to go against Plastic Man before Superman gets involved. I think Plastic Man could psych out Bizarro, however.

I don't see Plastic Man being able to hold back Aquaman AND Dr Light AND Dr Polaris while the others are fighting.

twilight
10-07-2005, 07:09 PM
For Twilight:- How exactly is Dr Light effectively distracting Captain Marvel?

Sorry I meant to explain this before I sent my strat in.

With hard light constructs,lasers with the heat of the sun and dazzling bursts of light.