The Testament sneak peak in Previews

[Emerald Ghost]

I hate to be the old lady, and I'm not usually the one to spout off "Won't someone please think of the children?" but I am kind of uneasy that they let that scene into Previews, which should be all ages, in my mind.

There are some things I don't think should go in an all ages publication. For example, say Wonder Woman beheaded a guy and held his head up, I wouldn't want that in there.

By the same token, there's this Testament preview. If a guy uses a razer and slices his arm to get something out, I think maybe it should be blacked out.

All it would have taken is to black out the panel of the guy actually slicing his arm. The one where he's holding the razer looking at his arm is okay, and I can deal with the bloody chip in his hand.

I'm all for free speech, but wonder if we should also think of who might see this Previews book since it's supposed to go out to everyone. :)

[will_butler]

Ok, hold up. You can read Previews, complete with solicitations for Jim Balent's spread-eagle, anal-floss wearing witches, toys based on hentai women getting assaulted by tentacles, and Brian Pulido's skank brigade (with separate nude, terror, and gore covers for each), and the Testament preview bothered you? Previews isn't an all ages publication. The number of kids who buy Previews has to be infinitessimal. Besides, Testament looked really thought provoking. The preview got me to order it, at least. :)

Will

[Emerald Ghost]

Ok, hold up. You can read Previews, complete with solicitations for Jim Balent's spread-eagle, anal-floss wearing witches, toys based on hentai women getting assaulted by tentacles, and Brian Pulido's skank brigade (with separate nude, terror, and gore covers for each), and the Testament preview bothered you? Previews isn't an all ages publication. The number of kids who buy Previews has to be infinitessimal. Besides, Testament looked really thought provoking. The preview got me to order it, at least. :)

Will

Actually all that is too much as well, but I'm pinpointing one particular thing since this is the Vertigo board, yes.

And, yes, Previews IS an all ages book. And it doesn't matter if 1 million kids or 1 kid is allowed to read this book.

[will_butler]

I admire your idealism, then.

Will

[-Dutch_Master-]

previews is NOT all ages. it is a comic shop retailers guide. know anyone under the age of 18 who owns a comic retail shop? i dont. furthermore, the fact that they are a retailers guide should suggest to anyone with half a brain that there will be adult oriented product in it.

perhaps testament offends your right wing neo-con religious sensibilities and you come here to complain about the blood instead as a diversion.

i think this book looks great, i cant wait.


secondly, perhaps you should email vertigo(who supplies the previews for their books) and diamond (who prints them) instead of whining here.

sorry to sound harsh but your being ridiculous.

[Emerald Ghost]

Okay, I will edit to tone it down a bit.

Previews IS all ages if my brother can go into a comic shop and request it and he's only 10 years old. Also, there is an adult only Previews book.

I am actually liberal, and am for porn and adult material. Please see the Comm board for my thread on a site master that was recently arrested and the problem I had with it.

I am completely against *anyone* and *any* organization that will try to stop the freedom of a person to publish what they want. However, by the same token, we must also keep certain material away from children.

*edited again - I just realized something. Did you really honest to god just say it's because of my "religious beliefs" or some such?

I'll give you three guesses to figure out my religion. Go on, guess.

[slively]

perhaps testament offends your right wing neo-con religious sensibilities and you come here to complain about the blood instead as a diversion.

:D You really don't know Emerald Ghost do ya? That statement you just made is so far off the mark it is somewhere in outer space. The man is neither right wing, nor does he have "Neo-con religious sensibilities." Whatever the heck those are. His religion is no where near Testament. Perhaps you should inquire before you start making asinine assumptions.



secondly, perhaps you should email vertigo(who supplies the previews for their books) and diamond (who prints them) instead of whining here.

sorry to sound harsh but your being ridiculous.

I did not detect even a tiny bit of whining in what Emerald Ghost said. He asked a pertinent and thoughtful question and deserves a pertinent and thoughtful answer. If you can't provide that, then don't participate.

[slively]

Ok, hold up. You can read Previews, complete with solicitations for Jim Balent's spread-eagle, anal-floss wearing witches, toys based on hentai women getting assaulted by tentacles, and Brian Pulido's skank brigade (with separate nude, terror, and gore covers for each), and the Testament preview bothered you? Previews isn't an all ages publication. The number of kids who buy Previews has to be infinitessimal. Besides, Testament looked really thought provoking. The preview got me to order it, at least. :)

Will

Excellent point. There is much in Previews that would be inappropriate for children. But as a librarian by training, I have to say what I said as a library director: it is not the responsibility of the library to monitor what your children are reading, it is the responsibility of the parents.

I feel that the same thing applies here.

[-Dutch_Master-]

i work in a comic shop and we dont sell previews to anyone under the age of 18 as it has adult material in it.

if someone is selling your 10 year old brother previews then i suggest you take it up with either the retailer selling it to him or the local authorities.


as to your religion, dont know, dont care. i only know the sounds of the morality police when i hear them.

[Emerald Ghost]

i work in a comic shop and we dont sell previews to anyone under the age of 18 as it has adult material in it.

LMAO, I have never heard of a retailer holding back a previews book from any child, and I did work a comic store as well; in fact, I practically ran the store. I made the orders (I kept in touch with our Diamond contact via email and the occasional phone call), I kept inventory as it came in, I divided up what needed to go where, I did everything but actually send the bill out or get the money for it.

And we always gave previews out.

if someone is selling your 10 year old brother previews then i suggest you take it up with either the retailer selling it to him or the local authorities.

Let me ask you this: where does it say Previews is for mature readers, or adults only? Since over 18 would be Adults Only.

as to your religion, dont know, dont care. i only know the sounds of the morality police when i hear them.

LOL again. You don't care about my religion? Before you seemed to, you sure brought it up quick enough.

As for the "morality police", let me ask you this. If you were under the impression that a video was clean, and for everyone, and you put it in, and it shows this horrific preview of the newest Faces of Death, would you have a problem with that? I know I would.

I realize that parents should see what their child is reading, but how about a label to help them out? If Previews is really mature readers or adults only, then say so! Let the parent know.

[-Dutch_Master-]

previews is for comic shop retailers to order their books. as such it is implied that it is for adults, specifically buisness owners. however, many fans do get it so they can order things through their retailer that he or she may not otherwise order. this doesnt detract from the fact that it is marketed towards buisness owners. ie adults.


also, even the most cursory glance will show that it has materials being solicited in it that may be inappropraite for children. when you talk about adult previews you are talking porn. r rated movies arent pornographic but contain much material unsuitable for children, thus an adult, preferably a parent, is required to help make decisions on whether they want someone underage to view it. the same should be true for previews. if a parent wants to buy it and give it to their kids thats their buisness, but we dont sell it to kids. how you run your buisness is your own prerogative.

i also dont sell marvel max titles, alot of vertigo, and many other indy titles to children. many parents come in with their kids and purchase these lines for their older teenagers whom they deem mature enough to handle it. LMAO all you want, i wont make that choice for a parent. the last thing comics needs is some irate woman suing a comic shop because her 10 year old learned about sex slave rings in punisher and making headlines across the country about comics corrupting youth.

you can make all the asinine arguements you want to, previews is not a toy catalog, and it is NOT marketed to children. children may get ahold of it, but children get ahold of playboys too dont they? doesnt mean they are marketed to them.

as far as the whole religion thing goes, its the first thing that popped into my mind about why you might possibly be truly interested in bashing this series.

[Apathy Boy]

Emerald Ghost wasn't bashing the series. He was questioning the suitability of the content of an article on a Web site that could potentially be seen by children.

I don't share those concerns, myself. You see worse on the message boards, and if any children did visit Newsarama, I doubt they'd be clicking on this story. Now, if you saw this sort of thing in a story about Spiderman or Superman, you'd have reason to complain.

Though I admit, I'm quite perplexed as to why they'd black out an obscenity on one page and leave "s***" in the next.

(As an aside, I wasn't planning on picking this comic up before, but now that I've read the preview, I think I will. Looks pretty awesome.)

[miss5050]

woohoo may i participate?
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edit: parental advisory (contain violence)

[-Dutch_Master-]

yeah, pick it up! this book has me real excited. im REALLY hoping execution will live up to idea with this one. the preview looks great. i hope this is another hit and not something that fizzles out after 12 issues due to lack of interest.

[Timulty]

Yeah, I am looking forward to Testament and Loveless.

[RoyalEF]

If a preview is sent out in volume then it should contian whatever warnign would be appropriate for the material, assuming the vendor chooses or is required to rate their stuff. You send one or two copies if you are informing the shop owner. If you send out a dozen you mean for them to be disrtributed to the public.

Interesting related tidbit...

I was in my local shop a few weeks ago and a father was letting his son pick out a comic. the kid picked up one that looked cool to a 9-10 year old and the shop owner pointed out that the comic was labelled for Mature readers. The father asked "what does that mean?". He was oblivious. Apparently the man has never visited a movie theatre in his lifetime. He couldn't comprehend what "mature reader" MIGHT mean. The owner awkwardly said "well there may be words or stuff". The father continued being confused. He wanted exact examples of what words it might contain. I wanted to laugh at him. Here was this guy in a business suit who drove up in a BMW and he was clueless when the shop owner was pointing out that the FATHER should be making a decison about the content. The kid got the comic. The father never even bothered to open the comic t even flip through it. Probably required too much thought on his part.