Were the levee's of New Orleans blown on purpose?

[Emerald Ghost]

I think it is unlikely, but as with every conspiracy theory, there are some items of peculiarity. :)

And interestingly enough, the government DID blow the levee's in 1927 in order to flood poor farmer's land rather than more expensive real estate.

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/135069.php

What are your thoughts?

*edit to add that I know he talks about 9-11 somewhat, and you can skip all that crap. The main reason for that link was some of the things he lists up top.

[west3man]

I think it is unlikely, but as with every conspiracy theory, there are some items of peculiarity. :)

And interestingly enough, the government DID blow the levee's in 1927 in order to flood poor farmer's land rather than more expensive real estate.

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/135069.php

What are your thoughts?

*edit to add that I know he talks about 9-11 somewhat, and you can skip all that crap. The main reason for that link was some of the things he lists up top.
It's more interesting than I thought. Although my ignorance probably contributes to that, as well.

I'd never have questioned the sudden destruction of a/the levee(s) if they were built to within a Cat. 3, but were under stress due to a Cat. 5. Then again, I only recently discovered the difference in magnitude between Categories was so (relatively) small.

[Kayless]

Yeah, the government blew up the levees. :rolleyes: Hell, I'm sure Bush planned all this from the start and used his weather machine to generate the hurricane in the first place. :p

[hulahulk]

Oliver Stone? Is that you?The guy puts the conspiracy label to the 9/11 attacks saying that there were planted explosives? Every engineer, construction expert, and architect that I have heard educated comments on regarding why the towers fell (and for that matter, the Oklahoma building too) all say it was due to the steel girders melting. Give me a fucking break. And same goes for this looney's other ideas.

[BoosterBronze]

Maybe, just maybe the levees were destroyed by crashing into them the plane that really never hit the Pentagon on 9/11. And I'm sure the Freemasons are in there somewhere.

[Johnny_Storm]

I won't even consider the possibility of the levee's being blown up by explosives, until the case is proven significant enough to go to trial or the suspects plead guilty. Otherwise it's in City of Atlantis, Elvis and Tupac are alive territory for me ;)

[Emerald Ghost]

Yeah, the government blew up the levees. :rolleyes: Hell, I'm sure Bush planned all this from the start and used his weather machine to generate the hurricane in the first place. :p

Agreed that it is farfetched. However, I would respectfully point out that there are some interesting things, such as the "second storm surge" when there's no such thing. :)

Also, the government already did something similar back in the '20's so it's not exactly coming out of left field.

[StoneGold]

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Destro, one of our plans finally worked!





That said, us saying it's cartoonish supervillainy could be exactly what they want us to think.

[Sam]

That said, us saying it's cartoonish supervillainy could be exactly what they want us to think.

Exactly. The best thing conspirators have going for them is that the standard response is to scoff and call it a conspiracy theory. The thing is, there are enough proven incidents of it that you can't totally write these things off. The CIA really did test out psychotropic drugs on unsuspecting civilians in hopes of a mind control drug for decades (and were caught, although they were never actually, y'know, punished.) A coalition of major American corporations, including Dupont, really did try to stage a coup against FDR and institute a Mussolini-style fascist government in the USA (and were caught, although they were never actually, y'know, punished.) They really did let a bunch of black people die of syphillis just to see what would happen. They really did expose soldiers, civilian miners and factory workers to highly radioactive substances just to see what would happen. And so on, and so on, and so on.

Never underestimate just how much like Cobra Commander your leaders can actually be. Or their ability to get away with it when the truth does occasionally come out.

[cactusmaac]

Agreed that it is farfetched. However, I would respectfully point out that there are some interesting things, such as the "second storm surge" when there's no such thing. :)

Also, the government already did something similar back in the '20's so it's not exactly coming out of left field.

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB112649152397237699-bZXwW_GdI2sWn3dc2Czyh2TnGw8_20060912.html?mod=blog s

The levees had already broken. It wasn't picked up by the media until later.

But now it is known that major levee breaks occurred much earlier than that, starting in the morning of Monday, Aug. 29, the day Hurricane Katrina made landfall. Even as the storm veered off and many observers felt a sense of relief, the Industrial Canal levee in eastern New Orleans was giving way, and a rush of water swiftly submerged much of the Lower Ninth Ward and areas nearby, trapping thousands of people on rooftops and in attics. The 17th Street Canal levee also was breached early Monday, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers now believes, resulting in a slower-rising flood over a larger area.

It isn't very easy to take that article seriously when it claims this was all done deliberately to help Halliburton. :rolleyes:

There was no deliberate breaking in 1927 either. What's your source for that?

[hulahulk]

Well, theorists have a nasty habit of providing dozens, if not hundreds, of implausible cases for every one case that holds merit. It like the boy who cried wolf, or all of the "Lost!" bloggers who come up with all sorts of cockamamie plot ideas. They damage their own credibility.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

This guy is really wrong though. Theres no way our Government was behind this. The cost would be way too much if it was revealed. What really happened was this.


Aliens did it! Yep...those damn bastard aliens did it! I can see it now. We couldn't stop them. Bush like Captain Kirk yelled: " KKHHHANNNNNNN!!!!!" at the top of his voice as the evil bastard aliens blew up the levees.


They also caused 9/11. But screwed over the Taliban & Bin Ladan.

[Sam]

This guy is really wrong though. Theres no way our Government was behind this. The cost would be way too much if it was revealed. What really happened was this.

For what it's worth, I agree. Even I, who wouldn't put it past Dick Cheney to sup daily on the marrow from puppy bones, doubt that the Living Oil Conglomerate That Walks Like A Politician would ever allow that much damage to be done to the nation's oil-producing apparatus.

[Emerald Ghost]

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB112649152397237699-bZXwW_GdI2sWn3dc2Czyh2TnGw8_20060912.html?mod=blog s

The levees had already broken. It wasn't picked up by the media until later.

It isn't very easy to take that article seriously when it claims this was all done deliberately to help Halliburton. :rolleyes:

There was no deliberate breaking in 1927 either. What's your source for that?

I admit I don't have a source. It was on a political radio show. Take that as you will. :)

[cactusmaac]

I admit I don't have a source. It was on a political radio show. Take that as you will. :)

Well, there you are,

[Tadhg Adams]

The thing with conspiracies like this, the September 11th attacks, the moon landing being a hoax, etc. is that too many people would need to know about it to actually keep it a secret.

[Emerald Ghost]

Well, there you are,

Yup. Don't take this to mean I am saying it's true, and confirming everything on that page.

I think most of it is BS. The only reason I provided the link was to show the points he made.

One question, someone said there was no secondary storm surge. Can you confirm this? The article above says the news reported one, so I'm curious about that. :)

[Sam]

The thing with conspiracies like this, the September 11th attacks, the moon landing being a hoax, etc. is that too many people would need to know about it to actually keep it a secret.

Keep in mind, there was definitely a bit of hanky panky going on with 9-11. The day before, a bunch of government officials were called and warned to cancel their flights the next morning because of "security risks" -- that's just straight up weird.

Then you throw in the insider trading. In the week before the attack, thousands of put options -- stock investments which actually make money if the company's stock goes down -- were bought for the two airlines that had planes hijacked (and no others), and several major companies based in the World Trade Center. The evidence of this was so strong that in the days immediately following the attacks, the SEC openly announced to the press that they were going to find the people behind the attacks by following the money.

Then, inexplicably, they never mentioned it again, and the American press dropped the story entirely. A few European news agencies dug in a little more, though, and found that the investments were placed through the firm AB Brown, which just coincidentally had been run by "Buzzy" Krongard... until he took over as the executive director of the CIA.

I think people who suggest that the government blew up the towers themselves are on crack. But there really does seem to be evidence that somebody had at least some knowledge of what was going to happen, and sat on the knowledge.

(Of course, then you also get into the recent disclosure of the Able Danger black project in the Pentagon, who had identified a number of the hijackers a year before the attacks -- and then, when they attempted to have the information disseminated to the FBI, were told to destroy all the information on them instead. As a nice little postscript on that, the Pentagon has refused to allow any of the whistleblowers on that one to testify before Congress.)

[cactusmaac]

Yup. Don't take this to mean I am saying it's true, and confirming everything on that page.

I think most of it is BS. The only reason I provided the link was to show the points he made.

One question, someone said there was no secondary storm surge. Can you confirm this? The article above says the news reported one, so I'm curious about that. :)

CNN's Weather department would disagree.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/09/01/orleans.levees/

Unless the guy's got a metereologist backing him up, I'd be sceptical.

[Dreadstar]

There's a sucker born every minute.

[Michael P]

CNN's Weather department would disagree.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/09/01/orleans.levees/

Unless the guy's got a metereologist backing him up, I'd be sceptical.
That was my reaction. I want to hear from a meteorologist and an engineer, both with hurricane/levee experience, before I lend a shred of credibility to these statements.

[Sam]

That was my reaction. I want to hear from a meteorologist and an engineer, both with hurricane/levee experience, before I lend a shred of credibility to these statements.

But wait, what about that meteorologist who says Katrina was caused by the Yakuza with a Cold War Soviet weather control device? Let's not forget the real issues at stake in the meteorological community!

[Dreadstar]

Let's not forget the real issues at stake in the meteorological community!

Whether or not the expense account is going to cover the 3 Martini lunch?

[Ray R.]

Whether or not the expense account is going to cover the 3 Martini lunch?

I think they're just as worried about whether they can deduct hair care products as a business expense.



And I just thought of something.....I wonder if there is an inverse-proportional Doppler-radar like relationship between meteorologist names and porn names, i.e., for every weatherman name that's created, in San Fernando Valley a new porn name is born.

For every Storm Fields, there's a Dusty Rhodes
For every Marshall Seese, there's a Long Dong Silver
For every Alexandra Steele, there's a Sydney Steele
For every Kelly Cass, there's a Kelly Sass

God, I'm so glad I took that personality test today, I feel the extrovert bursting out like a young gestating alien....

[Justy]

I won't even consider the possibility of the levee's being blown up by explosives, until the case is proven significant enough to go to trial or the suspects plead guilty. Otherwise it's in City of Atlantis, Elvis and Tupac are alive territory for me ;)

Hey, you doubt the eternal presence of The King! blasphemy...

Of course the levees were blown up by the government, jeez. All the peeps know that. I personally saw W with the OUIJA board and the sacrificed chicken.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Screw this. I'm blaming Elvis and E.T . It always comes down to Elvis and E.T. Damn evil bastards !

[Pepsigirl]

Well, there you are,

Well, there you are, WHAT? Will we never know the rest of that sentence!?!

[Phrozen]

It is Indymedia. Anybody can put up whatever crap they want to there. If Indymedia told me the sky was blue I would go outside and check.

[Ronald Bryan]

And I just thought of something.....I wonder if there is an inverse-proportional Doppler-radar like relationship between meteorologist names and porn names, i.e., for every weatherman name that's created, in San Fernando Valley a new porn name is born.

For every Storm Fields, there's a Dusty Rhodes


Dusty went into porn after he left TNA?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Dusty went into porn after he left TNA?


This was after he got .... Funky Like a Monkey !!!

[Shellhead]

This was after he got .... Funky Like a Monkey !!!

And here's a visual:

http://www.shadowfist.com/html/gallery/card%20images/JPG%20images%20400%20pix%20high/bcl%20jpg%20400pix%20square%20corners/funky_monkey_bcl_400.jpg