I believe in Aliens. Do you?

[Bloopinator]

I'd like to know so when you say no I'll explain to you why you're wrong.

[Shellhead]

I believe Aliens is one of my all-time favorite movies.

[Paul McEnery]

Hell, I'm a Resident Alien.

[cable guy]

Hell, I'm a Resident Alien.

Are you being serious? :D

[Bloopinator]

Okay I changed the title now no more smart alec remarks!!

[Michael P]

I'll bite. I don't believe in aliens.

[ghostrider666]

This should be good.

[Joe Rice]

I believe they might exist, but I sure haven't seen any. Doesn't really bother me either way.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

I am a little reluctant to believe in aliens, there is really no concrete proof.

[Bloopinator]

I think Aliens are real cause it's impossible for us to be the only ones in the galaxy. Scientist say the universe might be endless, wouldn't it be pointless for the universe to be so big if we're the only ones? Just doesn't make sence we really aren't that advanced even if we think we are. We can't explore any galaxies besides our own and WE HAVE TO USE SATELITES AND ROVERS!!How are we to say they aren't real? We haven't really explored so it's the only possible explination. There may not be any Aliens in our galaxy but there are some

[Bloopinator]

bump homie!

[ghostrider666]

And now it gets really good.

[Lex]

This universe is so friggin' big that it would be disappointing if we were the only intelligent creatures in existance.

[Bloopinator]

I agree Lex it'd be so boooooorrrrrrrring out here

[Super Samurai]

While I'm sure there are aliens, its the fact we assume they're intelligent. For all we know we could be the smartest beings in the universe...









Thats pretty depressing.

[Bloopinator]

No I'd think of it as good if we were the most advanced creatures in the Universe. I'd actually find it amusing

[Riddley Walker]

The famous physicist offered a mathematical reason why he felt there were no intelligent alien races. It boils down to "Where are they?" Life on earth appeared pretty much as soon as conditions allowing it were in place, almost instantly, on the scale of cosmic time. Life here is about four billion years old. For at least the first billion years, the earth was ruled by, well, pond scum. Algae. When evolution kicked in, it was FAST! Even so, the human species has been around on the order of hundreds of thousands of years, civilized society on the order of thousands of years. We went from the invention of the airplane to landing on the moon in less than 100 years. Now, the galaxy is at least 10 billion years old. Many stars are billions of years older than our sun. If life appears and develops so rapidly, then other civilizations would be billions of years in advance of us. Imagine where we'll be in a billion years. With any luck at all, we'll have colonized the entire galaxy, even without warpdrive or other faster than light travel. Us, the puny human race. So, if there are civilizations even a million years in advance of us, not to mention billions, the sky should be lit up with signs of their activity. Not only should there be radio broadcasts from every corner of the galaxy, we should be watching their sitcoms on TV. Even if they didn't intentionally try to communicate with us, we should see the energies of their activity. And, of course, we should be a vacation spot. Or a mission site for their religons. Or something. I don't at all buy that they have been here or are here now, leaving no sign at all. And I don't buy the idea of some cosmic hands-off prime directive. Even if a given civilization were out there acting like Star Trek's Federation and keeping hands off, there would be the equivalent of the Klingons or Romulans or whoever sticking their noses into our business. We're it. Hope we live up to our own role as the mind of the cosmos.

[Arrjay]

Do I believe little grey folk come and visit earth and make crop circles and abduct people and then conduct 'contact' experiments with hicks from Arkansas? Hell no. Do I believe in the possibility of life existing outside of this planet? Well, it would make sense. It's mathematically improbable that Earth is the only planet in the Universe that contains life but it must be understood that there are many levels of life. I don't think any of them include little grey dudes with anal probes. There are probably other planets with life on them somewhere in the universe. Nowhere near Earth though and they're sure as hell not coming to visit. My opinion? That's it.

[FearsomeFlyingGlove]

I believe in Extraterrestials. It easily explains my third period class.

[StoneGold]

I believe in magic, and burgers that talk, Chicken McNuggets I can take for a walk. And a clown making wishes come true, you'll believe in magic with you know who...

http://www.jacktup.net/archives/ronaldkiss.jpg

Do you believe in magic only Ronald can do?

I believe in magic!

And I believe in you!

[Tadhg Adams]

I think Aliens are real cause it's impossible for us to be the only ones in the galaxy.

Why is it impossible?

Scientist say the universe might be endless, wouldn't it be pointless for the universe to be so big if we're the only ones?

It might be pointless, but that doesn't automatically make it impossible for us to be alone.

Just doesn't make sence we really aren't that advanced even if we think we are. We can't explore any galaxies besides our own and WE HAVE
TO USE SATELITES AND ROVERS!!

What does this have to do with anything pertaining to the existance of aliens?


How are we to say they aren't real?

How are we to say they are?

We haven't really explored so it's the only possible explination.

What? What's the only explanation. This makies NO sense whatsoever.

There may not be any Aliens in our galaxy but there are some

To quote Wendy's, "Where's the Beef?"

[StoneGold]

To quote Wendy's, "Where's the Beef?"
Dude, quoting Wendys right after I do McDonalds? That's not cool.

[Arrjay]

Dude, quoting Wendys right after I do McDonalds? That's not cool.

Chic-Fil-A. Huzzah!!

[Bloopinator]

Why is it impossible?



It might be pointless, but that doesn't automatically make it impossible for us to be alone.



What does this have to do with anything pertaining to the existance of aliens?




How are we to say they are?



What? What's the only explanation. This makies NO sense whatsoever.



To quote Wendy's, "Where's the Beef?"

Dawg why you gotta go contridicting me? Lookin' for a debate?

[StoneGold]

Chic-Fil-A. Huzzah!!
You bastard I KILL YOU!!!!

[Tadhg Adams]

Dawg why you gotta go contridicting me? Lookin' for a debate?

Just waiting to be proven wrong.

[StoneGold]

Just waiting to be proven wrong.
You're a poopy head. Hah! I win! You can't beat my logic!

[Mike Smith]

Due to probability I believe there must be at least one alien life form.

[Arrjay]

Due to probability I believe there must be at least one alien life form.

Damn!! Busted!!

[MJC]

I think it's likely that intelligent life exists somewhere other than earth.

However, I doubt that aliens are or ever have been on earth.

[Gumbo Maximillian]

Well; the odds of there not being alien life of some kind are supposedly so improbable as to be nearly impossible that there isn't some kind of life form out there.

Now whether that be intelligent or not who knows.

Even if they are intelligent; they might not be inventive or they might have been incredibly self-destructive or they were in an enviroment that screwed them over every few centuries and sent them back into the cave man days or whatever.

[Bloopinator]

Well; the odds of there not being alien life of some kind are supposedly so improbable as to be nearly impossible that there isn't some kind of life form out there.

Now whether that be intelligent or not who knows.

Even if they are intelligent; they might not be inventive or they might have been incredibly self-destructive or they were in an enviroment that screwed them over every few centuries and sent them back into the cave man days or whatever.


YEAH!!!! GO GUMBO! GO GUMBO! WHOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[Atomic Mongoose]

Michael Jackson. Liza Minelli. David Gest. Elizabeth Taylor. Joan Rivers. Tom Cruise. Angelina Jolie. John Malkovich. Anna Nicole Smith.

Yes, I do believe aliens exist.

[Tadhg Adams]

YEAH!!!! GO GUMBO! GO GUMBO! WHOOOOOOOOOO!!!

You do realize that what he said, while likely correct, hardly constitutes proof, right?

[DarkBlade]

Bloopinator, have you had to write a five paragraph essay in school yet? You know, Introduction with a thesis, few paragraphs of points, with a conclusion?

[Johnny_Storm]

I belive there are other intelligent life forms besides us who inhabit the universe. I'd even go so far as to say they may have visited or inhabit the Milkyway Galaxy with us. I mean with the galaxy's size and the possible technological innovations we see and theorize here on Earth, it seems quite likely. Heck, who is to say they are even fleshly being's such as us or need technology for interstellar travel?

[Deskad]

If there are aliens, which is probable. Why the hell would they want to visit Earth? We are not ready, humans are fucked up, hundreds of genocides and civil wars, tyranical regimes, rapes, muggings, massacres and cute lil'atrocities happening at once. Who'd wanna come here?

Invasion? Once again, what for? Realistically speaking , the idea of planetary invasion is so absurd it's impossible. If they know how to reach us, they're technologically superior, as we have yet to get to another planet. Means, there is nothing we have they could want.

If there are aliens, we aren't seeing them for a long long time. Not for another few millenia at least.

[Rabid Trekkie]

Invasion? Once again, what for? Realistically speaking , the idea of planetary invasion is so absurd it's impossible.

They're here for the water.

As for me, yeah I believe there are people on other worlds (if we're the only thing God made I'd be disappointed) but they don't come around here.

[DarkBlade]

They're here for the water.

Not the whales?

[The Mirrorball Man]

I think aliens exist somewhere, but I'm pretty sure we will never meet them, so the debate is purely philosophical.

[Rabid Trekkie]

Not the whales?

Whales come later, they come for the drinking water first.

[The Mirrorball Man]

Whales come later, they come for the drinking water first.
Come on now. Everybody knows that aliens are allergic to water.

[DarkBlade]

Whales come later, they come for the drinking water first.
You broke my joke. :(

Reference.

Whatever.

[Johnny_Storm]

I think aliens exist somewhere, but I'm pretty sure we will never meet them, so the debate is purely philosophical.

Come on, it's atleast 50/50 that we will meet them :) .

[Rabid Trekkie]

You broke my joke. :(

Reference.

Whatever.

Yeah, sorry. I was trying to go to a reference to a sci-fi show I saw a clip from once called V (miniseries that was before my time) where that was supposed to be the mystery or something.

Well at least we can beat them with a laptop and Will Smith.

[DarkBlade]

.. I still haven't seen the second half of that. I saw part of it at Greg Hatcher's place, and keep forgetting to rent the dvd.

[The Mirrorball Man]

Come on, it's atleast 50/50 that we will meet them :) .
I think the universe is too big, our means of travel too slow, and the time during which our species will exist too short for two different species to meet.

[Rabid Trekkie]

.. I still haven't seen the second half of that. I saw part of it at Greg Hatcher's place, and keep forgetting to rent the dvd.

Yeah, I keep meaning to rent it but never seem to. I should probably just buy it and then I'd have to watch it.

[Mike Pothier]

If there are aliens, which is probable. Why the hell would they want to visit Earth? We are not ready, humans are fucked up, hundreds of genocides and civil wars, tyranical regimes, rapes, muggings, massacres and cute lil'atrocities happening at once. Who'd wanna come here?


To quote Calvin and Hobbes: "'Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."

Edited for accuracy

[Mike Pothier]

Topic: Since I don't think we're counting God and angels as aliens, I don't know if there is other intelligent life out there. Although I certainly don't discount the possibility, and I would be thrilled if there really are aliens, I would need tangible proof to believe there really is.

[Dan Apodaca]

Aliens are about as real as god.

[JadeDragon]

Aliens are about as real as god.

Well said! Glad you believe in both! ;)

I have to spill the beans on something here. Yeah, its easy for special smart people to see the logic in the math, that we arent alone here in this crazy universe. The Earth has been visited before, and some ancient societies learned some things, and made calendars accordingly.

The Mayan calendar is the most accurate one created to date. No "Leap Years" or such things necesary. More accurate than our Gregorian calendars. Ancient MesoAmerican Mayan were avid skywatchers. They had the whole thing figured out. Way before their European counterparts.

They had contact with some of our more evolved space brothers. Some believe that and some cannot, they will never believe it until a UFO lands on top of their house and personally abducts them. The end of the Mayan Calendar is Dec. 21, 2012. The beginning of a new age, a new cycle.

I think the reason the calendar ends there is because some folks will come and say HI to us on that date, and at that point give us a referance point more galactic that makes our own calendars obsolete. We measure our time based on local events. The bigger calendar bases time calculations on much more cosmic accounts of important galactic events.

Dec 12. 2012 might be the end of "Time" as we define it.

We humans will either kill ourselves by that date, or graduate up to the next level of cosmic acceptance as fellow universal contributors.

First we need to stop murderizing and suiciding ourselves. Hope we can do it! All of us here today on this planet need to contribute towards that goal!

Cheers!~~~JadeDragon :)

[Dan Apodaca]

Well said! Glad you believe in both!

Well, I haven't seen evidence of either, so that's where I stand.



Oh, and I know you were joking. I just took out the smiley for my own sanity.

[JadeDragon]

Well, I haven't seen evidence of either, so that's where I stand.



Oh, and I know you were joking. I just took out the smiley for my own sanity.

Well my friend, if you dont choose to define the miracle that is your own existence as proof of a Cosmic Creator, then nothing I can say can ever sway you.

A great big charm of this place is that we all get to circumscribe our own experience by as much magic or opposite reaction as we feel comfortable with. To define our subjective selves and the kooky shared experience of planetary cohabitation is every man's intrinsic right

I cant tell you to believe in miracles or belive in God. All I can do is tell you why I do. Most folks want a "miracle" served up on a silver platter in order to believe in such things. Which to me takes away the challenge of finding the truths inside of you. Easy to believe in a UFO once youve seen one. Seeing is believing, much more impressive to the Creator if you believe without seeing an easy proof. Its a subtle thing, deciding to believe based on the truths we all observe every day. The miracle of creation around us.

Sometimes I think that people want to believe the comic book version of the bible, and that "faith" has to be built on observing miracles. Thats the opposite of real faith. 'When a new Jesus returns, he will shoot lightning from his eyes and walk on water to create an easy believer out of everybody.' I dont think that ever happened before, nor should we expect it again. When the new Messiah comes, he will be human like us. And use logic to explain the everyday miracles we all take for granted.

OK, sorry to rant,...seeya!~~~JadeDragon

[BlairH]

I believe extra-terrestrials exist.

If we do come across them one day in our exploration of the cosmos, I wonder if we will recognise their "human rights" when we inevitably conquer them? :D

[Dan Apodaca]

Well my friend, if you dont choose to define the miracle that is your own existence as proof of a Cosmic Creator, then nothing I can say can ever sway you.

This existence? That's no miracle. My mom and dad got together and made some science. People do it many times every day, all over the world. It's something that can come about from rape. That doesn't sound like a miracle to me.

A great big charm of this place is that we all get to circumscribe our own experience by as much magic or opposite reaction as we feel comfortable with. To define our subjective selves and the kooky shared experience of planetary cohabitation is every man's intrinsic right

I cant tell you to believe in miracles or belive in God. All I can do is tell you why I do. Most folks want a "miracle" served up on a silver platter in order to believe in such things. Which to me takes away the challenge of finding the truths inside of you. Easy to believe in a UFO once youve seen one. Seeing is believing, much more impressive to the Creator if you believe without seeing an easy proof. Its a subtle thing, deciding to believe based on the truths we all observe every day. The miracle of creation around us.

The science of creation is also all around us. And that, I can see evidence of.

Sometimes I think that people want to believe the comic book version of the bible, and that "faith" has to be built on observing miracles. Thats the opposite of real faith. 'When a new Jesus returns, he will shoot lightning from his eyes and walk on water to create an easy believer out of everybody.' I dont think that ever happened before, nor should we expect it again. When the new Messiah comes, he will be human like us. And use logic to explain the everyday miracles we all take for granted.

OK, sorry to rant,...seeya!~~~JadeDragon

If God doesn't want us to expect it, then he shouldn't have put it in the big book. I just don't see why God would work so damn hard making his presence known to everyone in biblical times, and then stop caring so much.

Real faith sounds like blind trust. Sorry, just can't do it. Not in my nature.

We already have scientists in human form who use logic to explain everyday miracles we all take for granted. What do we need Jesus for?


And just to be clear, I would never try to convince you to stop believing what you choose to believe. As you said, that's every individual's right. I am enjoying the exchange of opinions.

[ocelotrevs]

I believe in aliens/ Extraterestrials. Look how big the universe is for starters.

[Smoogis]

five paragraph essay

.....*cries*

*whimpers*

[DarkBlade]

Eep! *hugs Smoog*

[Arrjay]

Come on now. Everybody knows that aliens are allergic to water.

Y'know I have heard that there are people who are allergic to water. I find it very hard to believe though. By the way, I'm not trying to suggest that these people are aliens, that's absurd. I'm actually just wondering if anyone has ever seriously come across someone that's allergic to water. Is this possible?

[Arrjay]

I believe extra-terrestrials exist.

Now, I'm not trying to start a flame war here. Honestly, I'm not. But I have to ask:

Doesn't a belief in aliens on your part kind of clash with your religion?

[Rabid Trekkie]

Now, I'm not trying to start a flame war here. Honestly, I'm not. But I have to ask:

Doesn't a belief in aliens on your part kind of clash with your religion?

Question wasn't directed at me but I'll go ahead and answer it anyway. No, aliens doesn't clash with my religion. Why would God only populate one planet and leave the rest of the universe completely empty? In the Bible in Job there is a brief mention about a council in Heaven where it says the "sons of God came before the Lord." My church believes that this was a meeting of all the representatives of all the other worlds coming to heaven. Satan was there also as being the representative from the Earth after The Fall.

[Motormouse]

Do i believe in Aliens: Yes
Do i believe in UFO's: Yes
Are they one and the same thing: Not Necessarily.

For those of you who beieve that theres just us here are a few things to ponder:
About the number of stars: People have studied the mass distribution of stars in the galaxy. Further, one also knows the amount of light put out by each type of star. So, by measuring the total amount of light in the galaxy (called luminosity), and knowing the mass, one can estimate the number of stars that are there in the galaxy. So, even though we cannot actually count the number of stars in the galaxy, we can estimate the number of stars in the galaxy as roughly 100 billion (100,000,000,000). It turns out that there are many more stars with mass less than the mass of the Sun than with mass more than the mass of the Sun. So, it all works out right.

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=31

To make an estimate of the number of life-bearing planets in our Galaxy we need to consider a number of factors, and a formula which attempts to itemize and link together the main factors has been devised by the radio astronimer Frank Drake who, in 1960, instigated the first systematic search for signals from other intellegencies (Project Ozma). This equation forms a most usful basis for debate, and is:


N = R* × fp × ne × fl × fi × fc × L

N = The number of civilizations in The Milky Way Galaxy whose electromagnetic emissions are detectable.

R* =The rate of formation of stars suitable for the development of intelligent life.

fp = The fraction of those stars with planetary systems.

ne = The number of planets, per solar system, with an environment suitable for life.

fl = The fraction of suitable planets on which life actually appears.

fi = The fraction of life bearing planets on which intelligent life emerges.

fc = The fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space.

L = The length of time such civilizations release detectable signals into space.

http://www.seti.org/site/pp.asp?c=ktJ2J9MMIsE&b=179073

Dr. John Kraus, who built the Big Ear radio observatory, has estimated each of the seven factors as conservatively as possible for our home galaxy, the Milky Way, and has come up with the number 40. As many as forty intelligent, communicating civilizations in our galaxy alone! If the same equation were applied to the 100 billion other galaxies in the universe, we could estimate there to be 4,000,000,000,000 intelligent, communicating civilizations in the universe! That's 4 trillion!

We have little way of knowing whether this estimate is close to being correct, but even if it's off by a factor of 10,000, that would still leave 400 million intelligent, communicating civilizations in the universe!

http://www.bigear.org/guide.htm

As to whether or not they've been here, who can say.
I have however seen what i describe as a UFO. Flying out of Mexico six years ago, hanging a ways of the starboard wing was a silver ball which resmbled no Aircraft that i'd ever seen. Ive spent weeks on RAF & USAF Bases in England and i know my aircraft very well, what i saw was no fixed wing aircraft, no balloon, no helecopter, it was very strange. Anyway, out came the video camera and i have the thing on tape for about 10 seconds worth of film, with only about 2 seconds of it being in focus, then my camera stopped working.
I called the civil aviation authority who told me to call the Ministry of Defence, which i did.......of course they weren't interested because the incident didn't happen over British air space.

:eek:

[Sam]

I'll throw out my usual response to this: There's a whole bunch of solid, empirical evidence that somebody has been flying around in ships that defy all conventional understanding of aeronotics, up to and including an official disclosure of such by the Belgian Air Force. Not to mention a bunch of detailed reports of sightings and radar recordings by multiple sober, reliable military officers recently disclosed by the British government's Ministry of Defense.

That's not proof of aliens, but it makes me a lot more inclined to accept the possibility than I was a few years ago.

There are, of course, other possibilities. Perhaps one or more national governments is flying ships that operate on scientific principles many stages more advanced than anything civilian science knows about (although when you think about it, the implications of that are pretty staggering too, when you ponder how useful such technologies would be in improving general quality of life if they are being kept secret.) Perhaps the British and Belgian governments are engaging in some sort of elaborate prank.

But I see no reason to discount extraterrestrials as one of the leading suspects.

[Bloopinator]

Bloopinator, have you had to write a five paragraph essay in school yet? You know, Introduction with a thesis, few paragraphs of points, with a conclusion?

Yeah but I don't wanna do that much work on the internet!

[BlairH]

Doesn't a belief in aliens on your part kind of clash with your religion?

Not really. If God is powerful enough to create the Earth and all life in it. Why not the rest of the Universe?

We're talking about the guy who can create rocks that even he can't move, and then move them!

There are lots of biblical referances to the UFO phenomena. It's entirely possible Soddom & Gommorah were destroyed by alien nuclear weapons (Lot's wife turned to ash/salt). Then -of course- there's the "star" that guided the three wise men to the birth of the Christ.

[Riddley Walker]

Suppose they are much older and far superior to us in every way, but have no religion. Or their religion is drastically different from any earthly one. The likelihood of their being Southern Baptists is pretty small, you realize. Do they sin? Conventional Christian tradition holds that all sin is the result of the fall of Eve and Adam in the Garden by an act of original disobedience. This is why we are not in Eden but in a fallen and sinful world and in need of salvation. What if the aliens never "fell"? Any encounter with an alien civilization will necessitate drastic reconsideration of our hoplessly provincial traditional religions.

[Bloopinator]

Why are you trying to make me think to much?

[Rabid Trekkie]

Suppose they are much older and far superior to us in every way, but have no religion. Or their religion is drastically different from any earthly one. The likelihood of their being Southern Baptists is pretty small, you realize. Do they sin? Conventional Christian tradition holds that all sin is the result of the fall of Eve and Adam in the Garden by an act of original disobedience. This is why we are not in Eden but in a fallen and sinful world and in need of salvation. What if the aliens never "fell"? Any encounter with an alien civilization will necessitate drastic reconsideration of our hoplessly provincial traditional religions.

Or they already know the truth about God and they don't talk about religion because to them it is like breathing. In my view, Earth is the only planet that sinned. Therefore all the alien beings never sinned and have no need of salvation having been basically born saved.

[Jeff Brady]

Why are you trying to make me think to much?

Would you like to be a smart, responsible, and productive member of society, or an unthinking moron?

Also, the majority of the posters here are adults, and a lot of the debates here are full of intellectual discussions. When you present an argument with "because I said so," you lose all credibility.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Do I believe in aliens ? Maybe. Theres a lotta proof they do exist and all. So It would be hard to say they don't. In fact in a good religious show I was watching on the History Channel ( yep pluggin this again ! ) had an excellant showcase on aliens and thier impact on history.


Alexander the Great was conquering some kingdom and was attacking thier troops in a battle. Its claimed by Alexander ( and written down) that shiny objects decended from heaven and made the forces retreat in terror.

Later as they were near the walls of a kingdom , its told that everyone watched as the shiny objects appeared again and blasted the walls. Which allowed Alexander to conquer that kingdom.

So who knows. Maybe were the aliens version of a wilderness safari and they see us a zoo exhibit and come by to show us to thier children. " See kids , the human race has really grew since we last saw them in 1200 BC huh ? Now thier driving cars and everything. "

[RickThunderclees]

I believe in aliens...I've seen proof of higher life-forms. Maybe not "little green men," but higher life-forms.

Metta,

-BB

[Tadhg Adams]

. Theres a lotta proof they do exist and all.

Um. What proof?

[celluloid_droid]

Do you know why I don't believe in aliens?
Ever meet those people that are soooo determined that aliens exist and devote their lives to it?
They are fucking weird, and I don't want to believe in anything they do. Plus Tom Cruise believes in them, and he is fucking weird, and I don't want to believe in anything he does.

[RickThunderclees]

Um. What proof?

Actually this topic has been brought up before in these forums. There's a lot of videos from NASA you can get, either legally or illegally, depending on how you download things.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Actually this topic has been brought up before in these forums. There's a lot of videos from NASA you can get, either legally or illegally, depending on how you download things.


Yep. Theres only so many times you can take the explanation that its a weather balloon. Amateur home videos and other documents seem to suggest that thier real.

I remember some files from Project Blue Book where they were released and so much was blacked out that you wondered why they even bothered . ;)

[RickThunderclees]

Yep. Theres only so many times you can take the explanation that its a weather balloon. Amateur home videos and other documents seem to suggest that thier real.

I remember some files from Project Blue Book where they were released and so much was blacked out that you wondered why they even bothered . ;)


i'm talking about footage from space....shuttles, satellites etc....not from home videos or from earth. everyone knows it's easily fakeable :) if that's even a word.

[Tadhg Adams]

Yep. Theres only so many times you can take the explanation that its a weather balloon. Amateur home videos and other documents seem to suggest that thier real.

UFOs != Alien existence.

[Sam]

UFOs != Alien existence.

No, but it narrows it down quite a lot. Take the Belgian UFO wave -- the official conclusion of the Air Force investigation was:

5. Conclusion.

a. In contradiction with other pointed out UFO sightings, for the first time a radar contact has been positively observed, in correlation with different sensors of the Air Force (CRC, TCC, RAPCON, EBBE and F-16 radar), and this in the same area as visual observations. This has to be explained by the fact that the March 30-31 UFOs have been noticed at +/- 10000 feet altitude, whereas in the former cases there was always talk of visual contacts at very low altitude.

b. The visual evidences, on which this report is partially based, come from gendarmes in duty, whose objectivity cannot be questioned.

c. The UFOs, as soon as seen by the F-16 radar in the "Target Track" mode (after interception), have drastically changed their parameters. The speeds measured at that time and the altitude shifts exclude the hypothesis according to which planes could be mistaken for the observed UFOs. The slow moves during the other phases differ also from the moves of planes.

d. The fighter pilots never have had visual contact with the UFOs. This can be explained by the changes of luminous intensity, and even the disappearance of the UFOs, when the F-16 arrived in the neighborhood of the place where they were observed from the ground.

e. The hypothesis according to which it was an optical illusion, a mistake for planets, or any other meteorological phenomenon, is in contradiction with the radar observations, especially the 10000 feet altitude and the geometrical position of the UFOs between themselves. The geometrical formation tends to prove a program.

f. The first observation of the slow motion of the UFOs has been made roughly in the same direction and with the same speed as the wind. The direction differs by 30 degrees from the direction of the wind (260 degrees instead of 230 degrees). The hypothesis of sounding balloons is very improbable. The UFOs altitude during all this phase remained 10000 feet, whereas the sounding balloons go on higher and higher, up to burst at around 100000 feet. It is difficult to explain the bright lights and changes of color with such balloons. It is very improbable that balloons stay at the same altitude during more than one hour, while keeping the same position between themselves. Kn Belgium, during the radar observation, there was no meteorological inversion in progress. The hypothesis according to which it could be other balloons must be absolutely dismissed.

g. Though speeds greater than the sound barrier have been measured several times, not any bang has been noticed. Here also, no explanation can be given.

h. Though the different ground witnesses have effectively pointed out eight points in the sky, the radars have registered only one contact at the same time. The points have been seen at a distance one from another sufficient for them to be distinguished by the radars also. No plausible explanation can be put forward.

i. The hypothesis of air phenomena resulting from projection of holograms(*) must be excluded too: the laser projectors should have been normally observed by the pilots on flight. Moreover, the hologram cannot be detected by radar, and a laser projection can be seen only if there is a screen, like clouds for example. Here, the sky was clear, and there was no significant temperature inversion.

Now what possibilities does that leave, do you figure?

[Bloopinator]

Would you like to be a smart, responsible, and productive member of society, or an unthinking moron?

Also, the majority of the posters here are adults, and a lot of the debates here are full of intellectual discussions. When you present an argument with "because I said so," you lose all credibility.


I never said "because I said so" *yawn*

[Tadhg Adams]

Now what possibilities does that leave, do you figure?

Honestly, I have no idea. And neither does anyone else, hence the tag UFO. It's unidentified, it's not proof.

[Tadhg Adams]

I never said "because I said so" *yawn*

That's essentially what your argument boiled down to, however.

[Bloopinator]

That's essentially what your argument boiled down to, however.


Didn't notice

[SUPERECWFAN1]

i'm talking about footage from space....shuttles, satellites etc....not from home videos or from earth. everyone knows it's easily fakeable :) if that's even a word.


You can only fake so much. By now its became a worldwide phenomon. Yes some isn't real. Thats accepted. But some reports are pretty wild and it gets harder and harder to claim what people have seen isn't.

I remember an air force pilot who was flying. On this show he said that as he was flying they got reports of UFO's ( Unidentified Flying Objects) in this sector where they came close.

He's sent to investigate the situation and what he sees and reports shocks him. This thing was pretty much doing speeds even he said was unreachable. He asked for permission to follow and engange the target.

Then the thing let him get close. Like some kinda game and took off. He lost it. To this day he maintains what he followed wasn't a human plane or jet. Because the thing did moves he had never seen.

I think how the explained it off was that the US Military was trying out a new top secret aircraft. Least it beat the weather balloon excuse. ;)

[Sam]

Then the thing let him get close. Like some kinda game and took off. He lost it. To this day he maintains what he followed wasn't a human plane or jet. Because the thing did moves he had never seen.

I think how the explained it off was that the US Military was trying out a new top secret aircraft. Least it beat the weather balloon excuse. ;)

Astronaut Gordon Cooper, the sixth American in space, was publically adamant that both UFOs exist and that there is a massive coverup to keep them secret. He says he never saw anything while he was in space (although he says one of his fellow astronauts did), but that he saw whole formations of silvery flying saucers in 1951 while flying a fighter plane over Germany, flying higher and faster than any plane of the time was capable of. He also says he actually filmed a UFO landing at Edwards Air Force Base, turned the film over to a superior, and it was never heard of again.

From his obituary at CNN.com:

"I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets, which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth," he told a United Nations panel in 1985.

"I feel that we need to have a top-level, coordinated program to scientifically collect and analyze data from all over the Earth concerning any type of encounter, and to determine how best to interface with these visitors in a friendly fashion."

He added, "For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists and astronauts. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us."