Lay off Venom!

[Venom]

This is my first ever thread and of course as my name implies and the name of the topic is about my most favourite character ever. I've been studying this forum for some time and recent topics have been about Venom featuring in the next upcomming Spider-Man movie. Now to me that's the best news I've heard in a very long time but to some people it isn't. What I want to know is why have some of you got it in for Venom?

[Tadhg]

As I said before, he's a cheap gimmick of a character that has managed to outlast his sell-by date. He's one of the poster-children of "90's cool." He's a superficial character lacking any real depth needed to make an interesting villain.

[The Wayner]

I don't have anything against him. I'd just rather see a few other villains appear in the Spidey films before Venom gets a crack.

[Venom]

As I said before, he's a cheap gimmick of a character that has managed to outlast his sell-by date. He's one of the poster-children of "90's cool." He's a superficial character lacking any real depth needed to make an interesting villain.
And what the other Villians are god like characters nobody is perfect. I mean of all the other brillinat villians they could have chose for the 3rd movie they choose SANDMAN of all people. HE'S a cheap gimmick. What the hell is so good about a guy that's sand? :mad: I'm sorry if I insulted any Sandman fans out there but he's just a petty crook made out of sand. He has never pushed Spider-Man over the edge like Venom has.

[Ryan K]

It's OK to like Venom.

It's also OK to dislike Venom.

He's a fictional character. No need to defend his honor.

[brian2322]

look I like Venom when he is written well, but there a a few other villians id rather see in a movie

[Alan2099]

What's soo good about a guy made of Sand? Well, other than shapeshifting powers that put Venom and the T-1000 to shame, an incredible reach, the ability to turn practially unhittable, or so ahrd that he can't be hurt, hide in plain sight, toss sand at speeds that can blast the skin right off a person, enter almost any place by slipping under the door or though cracks, in adition to super strenght, I can't think of much.

As for being a pretty crook. YES. He IS a petty crook. What's wrong with that? Not everyone can be an evil genious. Venom certainly isn't. Sandman doesn't make it his point to go ruin Spider-man's life because that'[s not what he's intrested in.

What Sandman really has going for him is his classic status. He's been around since the very begininng, has ahd several cartoon apearances, became a regular enemy of the Fantastic Four, joined the Avengers, and has some rather kick ass powers.

Venom is just Bizarro Spider-man. While there's nothing wrong with that, it makes for a shallow character.

Personally, I don't mind Venom being on the movie, but I would have saved him for a few movies down the line. Maybe the around the 7th or so, after we ge Mysterio, Vulture, Electro, Sandman, Kraven, Rhino, Scorpion, and the Sinister Six.

[Venom]

Sandman will never put Venom to shame because it was Venom that nearly finished Sandman. Venom is like a dark twin, an evil version of Spider-Man but I understand ya point Alan 2099 but to me Sandman will always be a loser who is just made out of sand.

[Venom]

It's OK to like Venom.

It's also OK to dislike Venom.

He's a fictional character. No need to defend his honor.

Smartest thing I've read on my first thread. I'm just angry the way people are slandering him like he's the only worst villian out there lately.

[Alan2099]

Venom bit a hunk out of Sandman and he started melting. Considering Sandman normally shoots huge hunks out of his self at his enemies and has be scattered to the winds with nothing like that happening before, I call bad writting on that.

Still, if you want to play "He beat this other guy, so he's better," then Pyre, Mace, and those goblins that Demogoblin commanded are better characters than Venom.

[Venom]

Venom bit a hunk out of Sandman and he started melting. Considering Sandman normally shoots huge hunks out of his self at his enemies and has be scattered to the winds with nothing like that happening before, I call bad writting on that.

Still, if you want to play "He beat this other guy, so he's better," then Pyre, Mace, and those goblins that Demogoblin commanded are better characters than Venom.

OUCH! That's definetly low mate.

[Venom]

Venom has also been around for a long time. Over 17 years so I reckon he would definetly be placed in the classic villians gallery now. Only the best villians make it to the rogues gallery.

[mwm1331]

What's soo good about a guy made of Sand? Well, other than shapeshifting powers that put Venom and the T-1000 to shame, an incredible reach, the ability to turn practially unhittable, or so ahrd that he can't be hurt, hide in plain sight, toss sand at speeds that can blast the skin right off a person, enter almost any place by slipping under the door or though cracks, in adition to super strenght, I can't think of much.

As for being a pretty crook. YES. He IS a petty crook. What's wrong with that? Not everyone can be an evil genious. Venom certainly isn't. Sandman doesn't make it his point to go ruin Spider-man's life because that'[s not what he's intrested in.

What Sandman really has going for him is his classic status. He's been around since the very begininng, has ahd several cartoon apearances, became a regular enemy of the Fantastic Four, joined the Avengers, and has some rather kick ass powers.

Venom is just Bizarro Spider-man. While there's nothing wrong with that, it makes for a shallow character.

Personally, I don't mind Venom being on the movie, but I would have saved him for a few movies down the line. Maybe the around the 7th or so, after we ge Mysterio, Vulture, Electro, Sandman, Kraven, Rhino, Scorpion, and the Sinister Six.


Are we talking about the same sandman? The guy who spiderman beat with a vacum cleaner?
I mean I can see that it would be great for the hoover endorsements but really.

[Venom]

Are we talking about the same sandman? The guy who spiderman beat with a vacum cleaner?
I mean I can see that it would be great for the hoover endorsements but really.

Thank you mvm 1331. You just proved me right another good reason why Sandman is such a loser.

[Alan2099]

Are we talking about the same sandman? The guy who spiderman beat with a vacum cleaner?
I mean I can see that it would be great for the hoover endorsements but really.
OH! You mean THAT Sandman! Al this time I thought we were talking about the Lord of Dreams. :rolleyes:

Yeah, Spidey beat him witha vaccum once, but if you look around, you'll find plenty of low showings for just about any character you can think of. Seriously, the Silver Surfer was once taken out by somebody hitting him with a brick. Then there's that one guy, you know the one, he was beat by bells that rang really loud.

[Venom]

OH! You mean THAT Sandman! Al this time I thought we were talking about the Lord of Dreams. :rolleyes:

Yeah, Spidey beat him witha vaccum once, but if you look around, you'll find plenty of low showings for just about any character you can think of. Seriously, the Silver Surfer was once taken out by somebody hitting him with a brick.

Are you serious? Silver Surfer, defeated by a brick? MY GOD! That's a very low point.

[Alan2099]

Well, the brick was thrown by Karnak, but still, that's not a whole lot better.

[mwm1331]

OH! You mean THAT Sandman! Al this time I thought we were talking about the Lord of Dreams. :rolleyes:

Yeah, Spidey beat him witha vaccum once, but if you look around, you'll find plenty of low showings for just about any character you can think of. Seriously, the Silver Surfer was once taken out by somebody hitting him with a brick. Then there's that one guy, you know the one, he was beat by bells that rang really loud.
Still isn't as bad as a "supervillian" who can get beat by the cleaning lady at ramada inn. :D

[Nick MB]

Venom was once driven off by Ben Urich with a piece of newspaper that he'd set on fire. Everyone has bad days.

[BoosterBronze]

Venom bit a hunk out of Sandman and he started melting. Considering Sandman normally shoots huge hunks out of his self at his enemies and has be scattered to the winds with nothing like that happening before, I call bad writting on that.

Still, if you want to play "He beat this other guy, so he's better," then Pyre, Mace, and those goblins that Demogoblin commanded are better characters than Venom.

ANd while we're at it, when are Demogoblin and Pyre going to be in the movies?!! They're who the fans are clammoring for.

Clammor clammor clammor

[Ned Leeds]

ANd while we're at it, when are Demogoblin and Pyre going to be in the movies?!! They're who the fans are clammoring for.

Clammor clammor clammor

I know you are kidding, but that is just..... wrong. Demogoblin was a frickin' joke. Just like the Macendale Hobgoblin. That loser should have stayed as Jack-o-Lantern.

P.S. Venom is alright in my book. He's no Dock Ock or Goblin, but better than Hydro Man or The Spot.

[Alan2099]

Actually, Demogoblin had some decent roles. The problem was, he was pretty much a one storyline character.

I also thought Macandale made a pretty good Hobgoblin. I'd rather read about him than read about whatever they've turned Norman into these days.

[Ned Leeds]

Actually, Demogoblin had some decent roles. The problem was, he was pretty much a one storyline character.

I also thought Macandale made a pretty good Hobgoblin. I'd rather read about him than read about whatever they've turned Norman into these days.

I didn't like the way he became Hobby. He paid someone to kill Ned so he could take over the mantle. Of course we found out later (much later) he had killed the wrong man. I guess he got tired of hopping around on a pogo-platform while wearing a flaming pumpkin.

And as far as Norman goes, the REAL GG died in ASM #122. This current one is a pale imitation.

[BoosterBronze]

I know you are kidding, but that is just..... wrong. Demogoblin was a frickin' joke. Just like the Macendale Hobgoblin. That loser should have stayed as Jack-o-Lantern.

P.S. Venom is alright in my book. He's no Dock Ock or Goblin, but better than Hydro Man or The Spot.

What? What about Jack-O-Lantern?
I only remember him as a Captain America villain in the early 90's, hanging out with Red Skull. I thought Jack had one of the coolest designs ever. When did he tussle with the Spide?

[Alan2099]

Spider-man has fought at least two people called Jack O'Lantern.

[BoosterBronze]

Spider-man has fought at least two people called Jack O'Lantern.

Was it this cat?

http://www.geocities.com/dbbcomic/Cap.gif

[Artemis1]

I like Venom. I just don't think of him as much of a movie villain. Green Goblin workeed because he made a sense of reality to a real world superhero/supervillain thing. Doc Ock worked because he had much to offer as far as expanding the storyline. But Venom seems to me as more of a monster made movie character than a movie villain.

[Bloopinator]

Venom Sucks!

[Ned Leeds]

Was it this cat?

http://www.geocities.com/dbbcomic/Cap.gif

Yep. That's the one.

[cable guy]

This is my first ever thread and of course as my name implies and the name of the topic is about my most favourite character ever. I've been studying this forum for some time and recent topics have been about Venom featuring in the next upcomming Spider-Man movie. Now to me that's the best news I've heard in a very long time but to some people it isn't. What I want to know is why have some of you got it in for Venom?

I'm on your side!

Welcome to the boards BTW.

[creep]

Sandman will never put Venom to shame because it was Venom that nearly finished Sandman. Venom is like a dark twin, an evil version of Spider-Man but I understand ya point Alan 2099 but to me Sandman will always be a loser who is just made out of sand.

Sandman may just be some loser, that's made out of sand, to you, but at least compared to Venom he has a life that sometimes includes things other than hating Spider-Man all the time. Thematically, Spider-Man actually seems to have more in common with guys like Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus, science geeks gone wrong, than he really does with Venom. The Spider-Man/Venom similarities are mainly superficial. Venom isn't so much the evil twin of Spider-man as a hyped up stalker. Killing Spider-Man and eating his brains is pretty much the only real goal he's ever really been shown to have. Sure Venom's got a similar powers and dresses kind of the same but this seems more like signs of an unhealthy, somewhat nerdy, fixation on Spider-Man, than proof the character is Peter Parker's equal and opposite.

Also, so long as people feel like their having the character forced on them, there's no way we're ever going to lay off on him.

[Spider-Man]

This is my first ever thread and of course as my name implies and the name of the topic is about my most favourite character ever. I've been studying this forum for some time and recent topics have been about Venom featuring in the next upcomming Spider-Man movie. Now to me that's the best news I've heard in a very long time but to some people it isn't. What I want to know is why have some of you got it in for Venom?

Welcome to the boards.

To answer your question: Venom was a great character in his earliest appearances. He proved popular and Marvel oversaturated the market with all things Venom. In the process, they destroyed the character.

David Michelinie tried to remedy the problem with a rather clever idea: have Spidey engineer his own death for Venom's benefit. Venom would have remained on a deserted island and would have been out of the spotlight.

Of course, Marvel couldn't let that happen, and then Michelinie decided to make a whore of the Symbiote concept, bringing Venom out of "retirement" to give birth to THE worst villain in comic book history: Carnage.

If Marvel would've had any sense, they'd have waited until a new writer with a fresh take on Venom came around and decided to bring him back.

Now, I feel the only way to salvage the character is to kill Eddie Brock once and for all and get a new host. I loathe Mark Millar's work, so I don't know what happened to Venom in his MK arc. I do know that the symbiote changed hosts. The only way that would work effectively is if A) the new host is relatively permanent and B) has a truly gripping and relevant reason to hate Peter Parker/Spider-Man.

Spidey

[Spider-Man]

What's soo good about a guy made of Sand? Well, other than shapeshifting powers that put Venom and the T-1000 to shame, an incredible reach, the ability to turn practially unhittable, or so ahrd that he can't be hurt, hide in plain sight, toss sand at speeds that can blast the skin right off a person, enter almost any place by slipping under the door or though cracks, in adition to super strenght, I can't think of much.

As for being a pretty crook. YES. He IS a petty crook. What's wrong with that? Not everyone can be an evil genious. Venom certainly isn't. Sandman doesn't make it his point to go ruin Spider-man's life because that'[s not what he's intrested in.

What Sandman really has going for him is his classic status. He's been around since the very begininng, has ahd several cartoon apearances, became a regular enemy of the Fantastic Four, joined the Avengers, and has some rather kick ass powers.

Venom is just Bizarro Spider-man. While there's nothing wrong with that, it makes for a shallow character.

Personally, I don't mind Venom being on the movie, but I would have saved him for a few movies down the line. Maybe the around the 7th or so, after we ge Mysterio, Vulture, Electro, Sandman, Kraven, Rhino, Scorpion, and the Sinister Six.

I say this with purely heterosexual, brotherly intent:

I love you.

Spidey

[Michael P]

We shouldn't lay off Venom. He's got a wife and symbiotes to support.

[Captbigbeard]

Of course, Marvel couldn't let that happen, and then Michelinie decided to make a whore of the Symbiote concept, bringing Venom out of "retirement" to give birth to THE worst villain in comic book history: Carnage.

Spidey

How the hell is carnage the worst villian in history??? Thats quite a hefty claim!

We shouldn't lay off Venom. He's got a wife and symbiotes to support.

Actually, a husband and a few adopted china kids.

[Michael P]

How the hell is carnage the worst villian in history??? Thats quite a hefty claim!

I'd put him in the bottom ten.

[Spider-Man]

How the hell is carnage the worst villian in history??? Thats quite a hefty claim!


Carnage: a one-dimensional, useless character created to ride the coattails of a character who quickly became one dimensional and useless himself.

Carnage was nothing but a guy who enjoyed killing because he enjoyed killing. Whoop-de-fuckin'-do. A serial killer with a symbiote. No depth, no originality, no link to humanity.

The best villains are those that are just a few bad days and wrong decisions away from being almost heroes themselves. Reed Richards and Victor Von Doom. Charles Xavier and Erik Lensherr. Peter Parker and Norman Osborne, or Otto Octavius, or Adrian Toomes.

There's nothing to Carnage but hype and excessiveness. He's a poor product of the prodigal 90s best left forgotten.

Spidey

[Alan2099]

Actually I enjoy what Carnage brings to the plate. he's completely immoral psychotic and unpredictabel. Spidey didn't have any real enemies like that before.
The problem with Carnage is that he has no goal. There's onlty a couple of stories that you can tell with the guy.
While I like him, I'd actually like to see him move on and fight other people to see how they can handle him.

[Captbigbeard]

I'd put him in the bottom ten. Dude thats so not cool. The other day we were talkin, and he likes you an stuff, but then you gotta pull this crap and talk behind his back. GO back to highschool! God you better hope he dosen't find out about this! Last time he ate god damned bannana splits untill he puked all over my floor!

His goal is to create choas, and MAN does anyone think it's kinda funny how every villian has the people that HATE THEM, and think their the worst villian ever. I think it's Kinda funny! I love Venom, but GG sucks! Venom is a piece of crapola, GG is the real villian. Carange is awesome, but Doc Ock is WAY to overrated... ect!

[Charagon]

Venom didn't exist between Maximum Carnage and his Spectacular Spider-Man arc.

[Taskmaster]

And what the other Villians are god like characters nobody is perfect. I mean of all the other brillinat villians they could have chose for the 3rd movie they choose SANDMAN of all people. HE'S a cheap gimmick. What the hell is so good about a guy that's sand? :mad: I'm sorry if I insulted any Sandman fans out there but he's just a petty crook made out of sand. He has never pushed Spider-Man over the edge like Venom has.

Actually Sandman has alot of depth including a run as a hero and an AVENGER, but unfortunately your right about him being very cheap right now considering the horrid writing that had him brainwashed back into villainy. His time as a hero was awesome, too bad the filmmakers probably won't even touch on the fact that he has a heroic side, heck they coudln't even do Doc Ock right

[BizarroBeachHead]

Actually I enjoy what Carnage brings to the plate. he's completely immoral psychotic and unpredictabel. Spidey didn't have any real enemies like that before.
Agreed. I don't think he's a bad character at all. However, he was used improperly. Once he started getting shoved down our throats it was easy to overlook the good(or at least tolerable) qualities of such a character, and just hate him on sight matter of factly.

At the risk of sounding rather superfluos, I'm going to cut and paste a few things I've said in another thread(with an addition!) about Venom:

Venom suffered because I doubt editorial had any definitive plan for him(besides giving him the official Cash Cow Costume TM). So he just kind of wandered around aimlessly boucing around from Leathal Protector to wherever he is now(I don't currently read much Spide-man these days). I think, at the time, Marvel didn't have any writers that had a true vision for the character, so he had nothing to do and pattered out into a nothing villain.

[Captbigbeard]

Venom suffered because I doubt editorial had any definitive plan for him(besides giving him the official Cash Cow Costume TM). So he just kind of wandered around aimlessly boucing around from Leathal Protector to wherever he is now(I don't currently read much Spide-man these days). I think, at the time, Marvel didn't have any writers that had a true vision for the character, so he had nothing to do and pattered out into a nothing villain.

Read The Hunger, spend the 10 bucks, and I swear you will look at venom in a diffrent light. Like I said a thousand times over, somebody realised, huh... we should do somethin about venom his story isn't holdin up anymore. Then they went and did it!

[Venom]

Welcome to the boards.

To answer your question: Venom was a great character in his earliest appearances. He proved popular and Marvel oversaturated the market with all things Venom. In the process, they destroyed the character.

David Michelinie tried to remedy the problem with a rather clever idea: have Spidey engineer his own death for Venom's benefit. Venom would have remained on a deserted island and would have been out of the spotlight.

Of course, Marvel couldn't let that happen, and then Michelinie decided to make a whore of the Symbiote concept, bringing Venom out of "retirement" to give birth to THE worst villain in comic book history: Carnage.

If Marvel would've had any sense, they'd have waited until a new writer with a fresh take on Venom came around and decided to bring him back.

Now, I feel the only way to salvage the character is to kill Eddie Brock once and for all and get a new host. I loathe Mark Millar's work, so I don't know what happened to Venom in his MK arc. I do know that the symbiote changed hosts. The only way that would work effectively is if A) the new host is relatively permanent and B) has a truly gripping and relevant reason to hate Peter Parker/Spider-Man.

Spidey

Thanks for the welcome Spider-Man. I really thought that was just cheap of Mark Millar to allegedly kill Eddie Brock off beacuse to me Eddie Brock and the Symbiote are what make Venom and NOTHING will ever change that not even Scorpenom.

[Venom]

Sandman may just be some loser, that's made out of sand, to you, but at least compared to Venom he has a life that sometimes includes things other than hating Spider-Man all the time. Thematically, Spider-Man actually seems to have more in common with guys like Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus, science geeks gone wrong, than he really does with Venom. The Spider-Man/Venom similarities are mainly superficial. Venom isn't so much the evil twin of Spider-man as a hyped up stalker. Killing Spider-Man and eating his brains is pretty much the only real goal he's ever really been shown to have. Sure Venom's got a similar powers and dresses kind of the same but this seems more like signs of an unhealthy, somewhat nerdy, fixation on Spider-Man, than proof the character is Peter Parker's equal and opposite.

Also, so long as people feel like their having the character forced on them, there's no way we're ever going to lay off on him.

Acually no. Sandman has no life because if he did he'd know by now that every time he'll commit a crime Spider-Man or the Fantastic Four will just stop him yet he still comes back for more.

[Venom]

Also, so long as people feel like their having the character forced on them, there's no way we're ever going to lay off on him.

Forced? Fans have been nagging Sam Raimi since Spider-Man 2 to put Venom in the film.They've pratically demanded he put Venom in the movie so I don't know what forced your talking about mate. Also if you look on another thread you'll see a poll of how fans feel about Venom being in the next film and so far most members have voted they WOULD love Venom in the next movie.

[Venom]

I'm on your side!

Welcome to the boards BTW.

Thanks for the welcome Cable guy and thanks for backing me up mate.

[Alan2099]

Forced? Fans have been nagging Sam Raimi since Spider-Man 2 to put Venom in the film.They've pratically demanded he put Venom in the movie so I don't know what forced your talking about mate.
Fans pretty much demanded Raimi use him whether he wanted to or not? That sounds pretty forced to me.

[pennywisdom]

If you like Venom, there's nothing wrong with it. :) Don't be upset and don't worry about what other people think. Personally, I think he was a villain with loads of potential that was never realized. But, that's just my perception. Don't take things so personally, and most importantly: Welcome aboard! You'll like CBR even if there are some people who disagree with you about Venom.

No need to defend his honor.
This coming from Jubilee's most chivalrous protector.

[Venom]

If you like Venom, there's nothing wrong with it. :) Don't be upset and don't worry about what other people think. Personally, I think he was a villain with loads of potential that was never realized. But, that's just my perception. Don't take things so personally, and most importantly: Welcome aboard! You'll like CBR even if there are some people who disagree with you about Venom.


This coming from Jubilee's most chivalrous protector.

Thanks for the warm welcome pennywisdom and thanks for the advice. :)

[creep]

Acually no. Sandman has no life because if he did he'd know by now that every time he'll commit a crime Spider-Man or the Fantastic Four will just stop him yet he still comes back for more.

Not quite acurate, as Sandman had actually been reformed for several years, at least up until he was kidnapped and brainwashed or some equally flimsy peice of writing, which turned him into a villian again. By life, i meant he has goals and purposes which actually extend outside Spider-Man, even if they tend to involve petty crimes, I'd still say that puts him slightly lower on the pathetic loser scale than your average obsessed stalker, who's entire existence revolves around one person, which when you think about it, that's all Venom really is.

Forced? Fans have been nagging Sam Raimi since Spider-Man 2 to put Venom in the film.They've pratically demanded he put Venom in the movie so I don't know what forced your talking about mate. Also if you look on another thread you'll see a poll of how fans feel about Venom being in the next film and so far most members have voted they WOULD love Venom in the next movie.

Sure the pre-pubesent fanboys love him, but for a lot of the rest of us the character is considerable overexposed. As long as people feel like they're having the character crammed down their throats, you can expect them to complain. If it really bothers you to hear people bad mouth your favorite character, stop talking about him.

[Tadhg]

Read The Hunger, spend the 10 bucks, and I swear you will look at venom in a diffrent light. Like I said a thousand times over, somebody realised, huh... we should do somethin about venom his story isn't holdin up anymore. Then they went and did it!

I've read the Hunger and it didn't make me look at Venom differently, It was typical mediocre melodramatic superhero fare that lacked any real emotional resonance.

[Venom]

Not quite acurate, as Sandman had actually been reformed for several years, at least up until he was kidnapped and brainwashed or some equally flimsy peice of writing, which turned him into a villian again. By life, i meant he has goals and purposes which actually extend outside Spider-Man, even if they tend to involve petty crimes, I'd still say that puts him slightly lower on the pathetic loser scale than your average obsessed stalker, who's entire existence revolves around one person, which when you think about it, that's all Venom really is.



Sure the pre-pubesent fanboys love him, but for a lot of the rest of us the character is considerable overexposed. As long as people feel like they're having the character crammed down their throats, you can expect them to complain. If it really bothers you to hear people bad mouth your favorite character, stop talking about him.

That's all you keep saying, "He's overexposed". If you can't come up with better excuses then don't bother replying.

[creep]

That's all you keep saying, "He's overexposed". If you can't come up with better excuses then don't bother replying.

Its a legitimate gripe, and you did ask. see?

This is my first ever thread and of course as my name implies and the name of the topic is about my most favourite character ever. I've been studying this forum for some time and recent topics have been about Venom featuring in the next upcomming Spider-Man movie. Now to me that's the best news I've heard in a very long time but to some people it isn't. What I want to know is why have some of you got it in for Venom?

As long as there are those who won't shut up about how great something supposedly is, there are going to be those who are sick of hearing about it and are going to let the first group know. That's life, get used to it.

I have come up with about a dozen other reasons in defense of my side of things, both in this thread and in another one a little further down the board, which you've conviently ignored, which i can only assume is because you didn't like what i had to say and had no defense of your own against it. Not once have i told anyone they shouldn't like Venom or that there is anything wrong in itself in being a fan of the character, mainly i've just stated why i disagreed with a few about his status in Spider-Man rogue's gallery and as to why i didn't think the movie series was ready for him yet.

This is a public message board for free discussion of Spider-Man and related topics. If you want someplace where no one's going to have a different opinion than you, by all means start your own "Venom Lovers Unite!" message board, and i will happily avoid the hell of it.

[Venom]

As long as there are those who won't shut up about how great something supposedly is, there are going to be those who are sick of hearing about it and are going to let the first group know. That's life, get used to it.

I ain't complaining mate. I've only brung it up in this thread and you act as if I've brought it up forever so quit bitching about it. Like I said if your gonna whine about it then don't bother replying on this thread.

[Venom]

I have come up with about a dozen other reasons in defense of my side of things, both in this thread and in another one a little further down the board, which you've conviently ignored, which i can only assume is because you didn't like what i had to say and had no defense of your own against it. Not once have i told anyone they shouldn't like Venom or that there is anything wrong in itself in being a fan of the character, mainly i've just stated why i disagreed with a few about his status in Spider-Man rogue's gallery and as to why i didn't think the movie series was ready for him yet.

I'm not insulting you mate but I haven't even heard of you till you came on my thread. I'm so busy all the time I don't have time to read all the threads on here.

[creep]

I ain't complaining mate. I've only brung it up in this thread and you act as if I've brought it up forever so quit bitching about it. Like I said if your gonna whine about it then don't bother replying on this thread.

Who's whining? I've simply responded to a few of your post in the spirit of discussion, which is y'know, the boards are here for, and you've so far either misunderstood or misrepresented everything i've said.

[Venom]

Who's whining? I've simply responded to a few of your post in the spirit of discussion, which is y'know, the boards are here for, and you've so far either misunderstood or misrepresented everything i've said.

I'm sorry creep I go a little over the top when it comes to defending Venom. Everyone on this board had a villian they grew up with that they loved reading about. Venom was created a few months after I was born so I grew up reading and admiring Venom, I'm part of the Venom generation and I just feel closer to him than other people do just like other people feel closer to the villians they grew up with.

[Venom]

Like I said at the start of this thread I'm just so angry at the way he's been mistreated lately. Mark Millar allegedly kills off the half that made Venom and then makes him the Scorpenom and no question as to the fate of both the Symbiote and Brock just leaving them both to rot in comic limbo. He finally gets a break by starring in the next Spider-Man movie and then people just kick off about it as if he is the only bad villian out there. And believe me there are worst villians out there. Anyone remember the Squid?

[Venom]

And the way everyone keeps saying how Eddie Brock is a nobody and he shouldn't be involved in Peter's life. Every villian started out as a nobody not being involved in Peter's Life. Norman Orsborn was just a wealthy buisnessman and Otto Octavious was just a scientist.

[Venom]

Maybe if Venom was around as long as the legendary Dikto villians have been he would probably get the respect off more people that he deserves.

[Bloopinator]

Dang dude will you stop posting? Some people don't like Venom "Oh BOO HOO" get over it and stop acting like a pansy. Why do people need to explain to you why they don't like Venom? They don't have to have a reason, if they don't like him THEY DON'T LIKE HIM. I understand you are in love with Venom but everyone isn't an obssesed freak. Just shut up :evilangry

[Beast]

I'm a bit disapointed with Venom being put in Spider-Man 3 myself. Mostly from the standpoint that there's a great deal more classic characters that could have been tapped before they got to him. Plus the lack of actual development for Eddie Brock for the character to just appear in the movie. Here they've been setting up 'The Lizard' and 'Harry Osborn' for two films, and we get a one-dimensional villain like Venom who has no ambition other than killing Spider-Man. Makes you wonder what would happen if he ever would have done so. Probably sit on the couch getting fat on cheetos while drinking beer. Hopefully the film will be redeemed by Sandman and Hobgoblin/Green Goblin II, if he does appear in this film. At least they have/can be established to have some actual reason to hate Spider-Man, other than just being some sort of sad pathetic stalker. And don't even get me started on the real waste of space, Carnage.

[creep]

I'm sorry creep I go a little over the top when it comes to defending Venom. Everyone on this board had a villian they grew up with that they loved reading about. Venom was created a few months after I was born so I grew up reading and admiring Venom, I'm part of the Venom generation and I just feel closer to him than other people do just like other people feel closer to the villians they grew up with.

Its okay, i know where your coming from, the Vulture was my first Spidey villian (back in Amz Spider-Man #240 "let these aged wings fly!", good story, everyone should check it out) so i've got a certain fondness for him, but when most people see him they just sort of groan. I liked Venom when i was a kid too but i don't think he's held up as as interesting over the years, maybe if they gave him some wider purpose in life besides tormenting poor Peter, which does get old considering he's doomed to failure everytime, i might enjoy the character more. A Villian type purpose, i mean, hero Venom just doesn't seem right. But maybe he's just not my taste in bad guy, but at least you've got a decent number of people on your side.

He finally gets a break by starring in the next Spider-Man movie and then people just kick off about it as if he is the only bad villian out there. And believe me there are worst villians out there. Anyone remember the Squid?He finally gets a break by starring in the next Spider-Man movie and then people just kick off about it as if he is the only bad villian out there. And believe me there are worst villians out there. Anyone remember the Squid?

Sid the Squid? small time petty crook, who made his reputation off of killing Batman(he didn't, it was a set up), he was supposed to be lame. and i actually thought that was a pretty good episode. If thats not what your talking about, then the answers no.

[Joe-Dono]

I have been sat here for about 10 mins trying to think of a reasonable and fair arguement why i do not like venom, the one reason i keep coming back to is im sick of seeing him.

I feel that where ever you see spiderman toys (out side of the movie's) you get venom, i remember about 14 years ago i first stumbled across venom, my friend had a toy where you pressed a button on a talkin back part and it said "I want to eat your Bwanins (yes it said Bwains not brains), after that Maximum Carnage came out for the Snes, then it felt like everywhere i looked venom was there (posters, Toys, Bed covers ect ect) from that point on i lost alot of interest in him.

A couple of years later the Spiderman Cartoon came out and it was cool, then when venom came on the screen all the toys and such hit the shops again, i just feel that when ever hes around he gets forced down my neck and told to like him.

The fact venom was put into the new movie (not official yet) by fans request isnt sounding that good to me, i would have liked to have seen Lizard or a really sick and twisted Mysterio who makes spiderman think hes killed people and messes with his head.

Unless they spread the origin of venom over 2 films then i feel it is taking time away from on going story lines (Pete & MJ, Harry going GG2/HG) and they might aswell call the film Venom, staring spiderman.

Ps. Venom the edit button is your friend ^_^

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[cable guy]

Dang dude will you stop posting? Some people don't like Venom "Oh BOO HOO" get over it and stop acting like a pansy. Why do people need to explain to you why they don't like Venom? They don't have to have a reason, if they don't like him THEY DON'T LIKE HIM. I understand you are in love with Venom but everyone isn't an obssesed freak. Just shut up :evilangry

I think someone needs a timeout.

[1_2_3[Kasady]]

I think someone needs a timeout.

why, for saying what everyone else wanted to? screw this, i cant stand little fanboys who refuse to hear any derogatory statement about their fwavorite wittle charactwer, JUST SHUT UP. I like Carnage very much, yes, but you dont see me running around, yelling in everyones face "HEY DO YOU LIKE CARNAGE?!? HEY DO YOU LIKE CARNAGE!? WHY DONT YOU LIKE CARNAGE?! COME ON, EVERYONE LIKES CARNAGE?! BLARGIN BLAHPOOPINGRALLINBLARKELZINMBARAONOFFLLLLZZZZ!!! F'ing annoying.

[Captbigbeard]

I'm a bit disapointed with Venom being put in Spider-Man 3 myself. Mostly from the standpoint that there's a great deal more classic characters that could have been tapped before they got to him. Plus the lack of actual development for Eddie Brock for the character to just appear in the movie. Here they've been setting up 'The Lizard' and 'Harry Osborn' for two films, and we get a one-dimensional villain like Venom who has no ambition other than killing Spider-Man. Makes you wonder what would happen if he ever would have done so. Probably sit on the couch getting fat on cheetos while drinking beer. Hopefully the film will be redeemed by Sandman and Hobgoblin/Green Goblin II, if he does appear in this film. At least they have/can be established to have some actual reason to hate Spider-Man, other than just being some sort of sad pathetic stalker. And don't even get me started on the real waste of space, Carnage.

I don't rember Doc Conners in the first one, was he there??? Oh well, I think their afraid to do Hobogoblin because he is VERY close to GG. They probebly didn't want to have a villian that resembled the one from the first movie so much.

']why, for saying what everyone else wanted to? screw this, i cant stand little fanboys who refuse to hear any derogatory statement about their fwavorite wittle charactwer, JUST SHUT UP. I like Carnage very much, yes, but you dont see me running around, yelling in everyones face "HEY DO YOU LIKE CARNAGE?!? HEY DO YOU LIKE CARNAGE!? WHY DONT YOU LIKE CARNAGE?! COME ON, EVERYONE LIKES CARNAGE?! BLARGIN BLAHPOOPINGRALLINBLARKELZINMBARAONOFFLLLLZZZZ!!! F'ing annoying.

Do you like him because he is red? Cause I know I do. He reminds me of cheery flavored cough medication. Yum.

[Beast]

I don't rember Doc Conners in the first one, was he there??? Oh well, I think their afraid to do Hobogoblin because he is VERY close to GG. They probebly didn't want to have a villian that resembled the one from the first movie so much.
He didn't appear, but he was mentioned in the first film. And then actually made an appearance in the second one. Which would logically been perfect set-up to do Lizard for the third one. And Hobgoblin could be done very different than Greenie, if they went that route. We'll have to see. :)

[SleepWalker]

I think the overexposure argument for Wolverine is much the same for Venom. But honestly, I don't buy everything that Wolverine shows up in, so I'm not getting the overexposure others might be, which is why he's still one of my favorite characters. It was much the same with Venom in the 90's.

Yeah, he was around a lot. So much so that you actually got sick of him? I dunno. I've never gone for that reason to dislike a character. Crappy writing is my best reason to dislike a character (Venom had his fair share of that!).

You want to talk about overexposed?? Spider-Man is EVERYWHERE (he's an icon after all), but not as many people (there are some, though) complain about that. Venom hasn't been truly in the spotlight for quite a while, yet it's very hard to go one day without hearing or reading something about Spider-Man (whether you're into comics or not!).

But give it some time. Eventually Spidey overexposure complaints will begin, then others will jump on that wagon and comic fans will have yet another thing to complain about together.

[cable guy]

']why, for saying what everyone else wanted to? screw this, i cant stand little fanboys who refuse to hear any derogatory statement about their fwavorite wittle charactwer, JUST SHUT UP. I like Carnage very much, yes, but you dont see me running around, yelling in everyones face "HEY DO YOU LIKE CARNAGE?!? HEY DO YOU LIKE CARNAGE!? WHY DONT YOU LIKE CARNAGE?! COME ON, EVERYONE LIKES CARNAGE?! BLARGIN BLAHPOOPINGRALLINBLARKELZINMBARAONOFFLLLLZZZZ!!! F'ing annoying.

He went a little too far in insulting him the way he did.

Telling someone that is new to stop posting, shut up, an obsessed freak is a little out of line.

[Core]

He went a little too far in insulting him the way he did.

Telling someone that is new to stop posting, shut up, an obsessed freak is a little out of line.

Agreed, and more than a little out of line.

If any one poster annoys you enough to drive you to verbally assult him, you should maybe just consider not reading his posts instead.

[Venom]

He went a little too far in insulting him the way he did.

Telling someone that is new to stop posting, shut up, an obsessed freak is a little out of line.

I think me and you are gonna get along just fine Cable guy. Thanks for backing me up mate.

[Venom]

Agreed, and more than a little out of line.

If any one poster annoys you enough to drive you to verbally assult him, you should maybe just consider not reading his posts instead.

Indeed and well said Core.

[Venom]

Dang dude will you stop posting? Some people don't like Venom "Oh BOO HOO" get over it and stop acting like a pansy. Why do people need to explain to you why they don't like Venom? They don't have to have a reason, if they don't like him THEY DON'T LIKE HIM. I understand you are in love with Venom but everyone isn't an obssesed freak. Just shut up :evilangry

First off I'm not a pansy and I am most certainly not obssessed and People don't have to explain themselves why they don't like Venom if they don't want to and try to be more diplomatic and if you can't then try anger management. :)

[Joe-Dono]

Venom, the edit button isnt gonna bite you if you use it once in awhile ^_^

remember its your friend :D

[Venom]

Venom, the edit button isnt gonna bite you if you use it once in awhile ^_^

remember its your friend :D

What did I type wrong? Never mind I made some edits now. Thanks Joe-Dono

[Joe-Dono]

ITs insted of you posting 3 or 4 in a row, just hit edit and add to your last post, if it is the newist one.

sorry its a pet peeve with me ^_^

[Venom]

']why, for saying what everyone else wanted to? screw this, i cant stand little fanboys who refuse to hear any derogatory statement about their fwavorite wittle charactwer, JUST SHUT UP. I like Carnage very much, yes, but you dont see me running around, yelling in everyones face "HEY DO YOU LIKE CARNAGE?!? HEY DO YOU LIKE CARNAGE!? WHY DONT YOU LIKE CARNAGE?! COME ON, EVERYONE LIKES CARNAGE?! BLARGIN BLAHPOOPINGRALLINBLARKELZINMBARAONOFFLLLLZZZZ!!! F'ing annoying.

Obviously you haven't read this thread properly. I haven't gone in everyone's face saying "EVERYONE SHOULD LIKE VENOM!" I'm just wondering why some people don't like him, there's nothing wrong in that. Creep said he' dosen't like Venom and I'm fine with that and seriously why is everyone getting angry about it? This is a friendly debate. If your gonna get all angry use a punching bag or deep breathing but don't start attacking me and talking jibberish.

[Venom]

Its okay, i know where your coming from, the Vulture was my first Spidey villian (back in Amz Spider-Man #240 "let these aged wings fly!", good story, everyone should check it out) so i've got a certain fondness for him, but when most people see him they just sort of groan.

I've got that story in a TPB called "Spider-Man's Greatest Villians" brilliant story that was, Vulture's also my 5th favourite villian.

[TShark82]

What about Electro know their was a classic arch enemy of Spider Man.

[Venom]

What about Electro know their was a classic arch enemy of Spider Man.

Ya not wrong there mate.

[Bloopinator]

First off I'm not a pansy and I am most certainly not obssessed and People don't have to explain themselves why they don't like Venom if they don't want to and try to be more diplomatic and if you can't then try anger management. :)


I'm sorry for what I said. I can be diplomatic and I don't need anger management. But for some reason I don't want to take back what I said, I am sorry though

[Venom]

I'm sorry for what I said. I can be diplomatic and I don't need anger management. But for some reason I don't want to take back what I said, I am sorry though

Fair enough and thank you very much for the apology I really appreciate that Bloopinator.

[Josh S]

I dislike Venom because he "rose to power", so to speak, in the 90s and that's probably my least favorite decade for comics. It's nothing against the character himself, as I've never really followed the character, just an association I make with him.

[Bloopinator]

Fair enough and thank you very much for the apology I really appreciate that Bloopinator.


Well I did seem kinda harsh. I should have posted that in a nicer way

[cable guy]

Good. We're all friends again.

But I still can't believe that some people don't like Venom :D .

[damngary]

well, personally, I dont know why people are bashing venom, I like him. (both the 616 and Ultimate versions). ok, I can see a little bit as to why people bash him. he was an awesome bad guy. The anti-hero thing he had did seem to upset people, then he went bad again. And the last few years sure as hell havent been kind to him. Granted, I like the idea of Scorpion/Venom, almost seems like a returning to his roots sort of thing.
I personally cant stand Green Goblin/Norman Osbourne. Well more Green Goblin actually, i mean its a guy in a suite for most of the time. Doesnt seem like that much of a threat.
Remember, this is an opinion. Dont try and ask "why do you hate Green Gobin? he kicks ass." Because I just dont, most of the time I beleive he's horribly written (as with venom at times). I like Norman Osbourne as a villain. Its my opinion, its not going to change by message boards.
Please dont chew me out. (or do, i cant control what ya do, nor care really)

[Alan2099]

To be honest, Green Goblin hasn't had a good story since his return to life either.

[Venom]

But I still can't believe that some people don't like Venom :D .

Here here. :)

[Venom]

Sid the Squid? small time petty crook, who made his reputation off of killing Batman(he didn't, it was a set up), he was supposed to be lame. and i actually thought that was a pretty good episode. If thats not what your talking about, then the answers no.

I agree that was a very good Batman episode. The Squid I'm talking about appeared in two Spider-Man issues during Howard Mackie's run in the early 2000's. He was a nerdy teenager in a squid suit and fired ink at people.

[TShark82]

Ya not wrong there mate.

Wheres his movie Hollywood doesnt care about comics or Spider Man or
what the fans want to see their just in it for the almighty dollar.

[creep]

I agree that was a very good Batman episode. The Squid I'm talking about appeared in two Spider-Man issues during Howard Mackie's run in the early 2000's. He was a nerdy teenager in a squid suit and fired ink at people.

Okay, I skipped over that whole period. He sounds like a throwback to the "Weiner Brigade", as Spidey liked to call them, a team of highly ineffective crime fighters, who banded together after Spider-Man regected them as side-kicks. It consisted of the Toad, the sad over-weight, obsessed with Scarlet Witch version of the character, Frog-Man, dweeby son of the loser villian Leap Frog, and the Spider-Kid, fat loser kid with thick glasses, who didn't look so good in the Spider-Man costume he made for himself, he also had a cheap, knock-off, home-built version of Doc Ock's arms harness, which worked mainly as clumsy stilts.

On a related note did anyone else have that Venom toy when they were a kid, i think it was the first Venom figure made in fact, that its action feature was that it was supposed to spray ink? The ink, was i think, supposed to represent the liquid properties of the alien costume. I was never dumb enough to try it, but that was bound to have pissed off a few parents. His main function it seems was to ruin your clothes, your carpet, or any other near by non-absorbant surface, nice thinking toy biz!

[Core]

To be honest, Green Goblin hasn't had a good story since his return to life either.

I thought that the "Death In the Family" arc that Jenkins and Ramos did was very good.

[Alan2099]

On a related note did anyone else have that Venom toy when they were a kid, i think it was the first Venom figure made in fact, that its action feature was that it was supposed to spray ink? The ink, was i think, supposed to represent the liquid properties of the alien costume. I was never dumb enough to try it, but that was bound to have pissed off a few parents. His main function it seems was to ruin your clothes, your carpet, or any other near by non-absorbant surface, nice thinking toy biz!
I had it, but I got a later realsed version where they took the ink out. Mine was supposed to spray water.

[1_2_3[Kasady]]

yea...unlike bloopinator i meant every word of what i said and i think the fact that you even made a thread askign everyone why they dont like your OBVIOUSLY favorite character is whiney and obnoxious. Harsh though it maybe, its the truth. If you wanted to know, you should have though of a better way to word the question, or started a similiar topic and gradually worked your way into it. If everyone made a thread just to bring the fans of their favorite character out of the woodwork (which is what you obviously were trying to do, under a smoke screen) then this would be one cramped forum.

[Venom]

I thought that the "Death In the Family" arc that Jenkins and Ramos did was very good.

I think since Norman Osborn has been created every story about him and his crazy green alter ego has always been brilliantly written. My God! That was so cool when I found out he was the mastermind behind the legendary clone saga. Every story about the Green Goblin always had a new way for him to torture Peter. He always had so many new ways to drive Peter over the edge but after the astonishing "The Last Stand" arc I think there really is no more new ways for Norman to torture Peter. I mean he's done it all really now. He made made Peter think he was a clone, he gave Spider-Man an even more bad name, he faked Aunt May's death, he tried to make Peter his heir, he got Gwen pregnant and had super evil twins and he formed the Sinister Twelve.
What more evil new plans can ya give Norman Osborn? Acually killing Mary Jane this time.
(Please dear God never let that happen).

[Venom]

']yea...unlike bloopinator i meant every word of what i said and i think the fact that you even made a thread askign everyone why they dont like your OBVIOUSLY favorite character is whiney and obnoxious. Harsh though it maybe, its the truth. If you wanted to know, you should have though of a better way to word the question, or started a similiar topic and gradually worked your way into it. If everyone made a thread just to bring the fans of their favorite character out of the woodwork (which is what you obviously were trying to do, under a smoke screen) then this would be one cramped forum.

Think what you want but that really isn't what I intended. If I wanted to lure Venom fans on a thread I would have gone to a Venom fan site. Is it really a crime to ask a few people why they don't like a certain villian? I wouldn't mind people asking me why I don't like a certain villian. Stop deluding yourself and comming up with random crap ok. The only one being obnoxious here is you.

[Venom]

I think it's about time we ended this thread. Don't you people?

[Venom]

Wow! I can't believe it, 100 replies on my first thread. I am so pleased at how successful my first thread has been. I'd like to thank Creep for making me understand things in a better way. I'd also like to thank Alan2099 for telling me about the Silver Surfer's lowest point in his career. I'd also like to thank Spider-Man, Cable guy and Pennywisdom for the warm welcome. I'd also like to thank Bloopinator for the sincere apology. I'd also like to thank Joe-Dono for helping me edit better on this forum. Finally I'd like to thank 1 2 3[Kasady] for just completely losing the plot. Without you guys my first thread wouldn't have been as successful as it has been. Be sure to look out for my next thread comming very soon. Untill then I'll be popping up in other threads expressing my opinion. Until next time true belivers, EXCELSIOR! :)

[1_2_3[Kasady]]

what is this the freakin oscars. just stop already sheesh.

[Joe-Dono]

I just want to point out over 30 of them are your own posts venom, though you got to love the quadruple posts, its the highest i have ever seen ^_^

[cable guy]

I think it's about time we ended this thread. Don't you people?

No, lets keep it up. :D

[Herald of Asgard]

I think Kraven would make for a better movie villan than Venom any day of the week.

[Venom]

I think Kraven would make for a better movie villan than Venom any day of the week.

Not insulting your taste mate but I think Kraven's isn't a good villian at all. He's worse than Sandman, out of all the classic Spider-Man villians Kraven is definitely 100% the worst enemy.

[Alan2099]

What's so wrong with Kraven?

[Venom]

What's so wrong with Kraven?

I just don't see psycho hunters as villians.

[SiliconDream]

I liked Venom as an antihero, myself. As a Spider-Man villain he didn't seem all that interesting, what with his objectives always boiling down to "kill Spider-Man" more or less. Although having a villain who knew Peter's ID and could reach him anywhere anytime if he wanted to was a nice twist.

But vigilante Venom was great. You got to see more creative uses of his powers than against Spider-Man, a bigger emotional spectrum than just "hate Spidey," and his total self-assurance that he was actually a noble hero was hilarious. He made a good anti-hero, too...he didn't (usually) go out of control on petty crooks but he didn't mind occasionally outright murdering the real bad ones. And he was actually pretty good at making friends.

I don't think the average level of writing quality on Venom solos was that high, but I really miss the character concept. A former bad guy who never really got his just punishment, just decided he was a good guy and made a pretty good stab at it.

[Mr.Musgrave]

I just don't see psycho hunters as villians.


But psychotic stalkers are villains? :rolleyes:

[Venom]

That's all folks for this topic! Thanks for your replies.

[Fabian]

Venom is a one note wonder. He was cool at first with being able to physcially challenge Spider-Man but he never had any motivation. It was always, "I hate spidey this" and "I hate spidey that" and the even more absurd " I want to eat your brains"

And they gave him 2 glaring weaknesses with sound and fire. You can get those anywhere and whenever he comes in a storyline anymore, I don't even see him as a big threat

But he looks cool.

[Rosie]

I think Venom, and also Carnage, the Scarlet Spider, and others, became scapegoats for those looking back at the original comics with rose tinted glasses.

Of course, the real reason that there was so much upset in Spiderman was that it was going on for 40 years without any set team of writers or really that much guidance. Same things happened to Doctor Who, kind of, until it got a recent revival killing off many of the past ties by destroying gallifrey.
Continuity became garbled, characters came back from the dead that probably shouldn't have, things very much got confused. But people, whether they admit it or not, blame it on characters like Venom.

People try to look at the point where Spiderman became "Bad" - Was it when Venom appeared? Carange? The Clone Saga?

Venom is a good point for some people, because it introduced some things that were very different and alien to what Spiderman had previously been. Not only that, the whole Carnage thing was very nearly bumper to bumper with the Clone Saga.

Honestly, I really enjoyed some of the Clone Saga comics with Ben as Spiderman more than a lot of the originals. The older comics are more childish and most importantly, less self aware - sure, they're great stories, but I hardly think they're reeming in the "Depth" Venom supposedly lacks.

I find it hard to enjoy Spiderman as opposed to Ultimate Spiderman and the 90s cartoon based on it because of the lack of self awareness, which is a shame. I see the original Spiderman as a fountain of excellent ideas and great characters more than being an amazing comic to follow.

And Venom's character has *tons* of depth. He's a character that, after the intiial few appearances, really isn't a clear cut good guy or bad guy. He's often funny, witty and entertaining, and very often has charisma and a strong sense of justice when he really gets going. He's a GREAT character and the mechanic between him and Spiderman when they team up is truly amazing.

Obviously, he got overused, but that was sort of going to happen anyway. I really liked Venom Vs. Carnage, but I disliked that Venom wanted Toxin to fight with him against Spiderman. Not only did it not make a lot of sense, I thought they'd "Made peace" already? Spiderman with Venom as an sort-of-ally would be interesting.

And Maximum Carnage was one of the most fun little Sagas I've read in ages. It was amazing and I wish they'd do something like that in Ultimate Marvel.

Another thing about Scapegoats is that people ALWAYS go for the "Clones" and "Warped versions" - have you seen how many people detest Shadow the Hedgehog's guts and blame any of Sonic Team's mess ups on him for next to no reason? They feel they're "tainting" the original characters somehow.

As for Carnage - don't you guys get that the whole POINT was to emphasise how close Spiderman could be to his villians by putting him up against something that was inhuman? It made him work with Venom and Morbius. Carnage isn't to be taken as a character that's MEANT to be deep, he's someone who, as Spider-man said, "Never had a chance". He's still a child inside and doesn't understand his actions. He's a FORCE rather than a person.

That's why his name is "Carnage" and not "Carnage-man".

And what exactly the hell is wrong with having a real monstrous villian for once, exactly? Does EVERY single guy who wants to off Spidey have to be a guy who could have nearly ended up being a superhero, a depressed scientist, or a midwife who has just been divorced and left supporting a family that her baby delivering career can't fully support so she injects herself with the Goblin formula and becomes SheGoblin to rob banks to raise the cash? Honestly?

Most people who hate Carnage don't understand what he's there for.

[Mr.Musgrave]

Please, man. Carnage was created because Venom got too watered down. Even the creators owned up to that. Carnage was a marketing ploy, nothing more.

And what you find witty and funny about Venom, I find droll at best and generally Venom is nothing more but a bad characature of himself. A product of holofoil times.

Basically, just because you find something "cool" doesn't mean everyone else does.

[Rosie]

Please, man. Carnage was created because Venom got too watered down. Even the creators owned up to that. Carnage was a marketing ploy, nothing more.

And what you find witty and funny about Venom, I find droll at best and generally Venom is nothing more but a bad characature of himself. A product of holofoil times.

Basically, just because you find something "cool" doesn't mean everyone else does.

That post came off as extremely snotty, for some reason...

[Mr.Musgrave]

Probably because it was. I mean, I was rolling my eyes the whole time I typed it out.

[Rosie]

Probably because it was. I mean, I was rolling my eyes the whole time I typed it out.

Well don't.

[Tetrachromatic]

How would Venom even make sense in the movie continuity?

"Astronaut Jameson brings back alien goop from space, gets jilted at the altar by Mary Jane, blames Peter Parker, finds out he's Spider-Man, the emotional trauma pushes him over the edge and the symbiote takes control and creates the perfect anti-Spidey: VENOM!"

I can't see how Sandman or Green Goblin II would fit into this. To tell you the truth, I wouldn't mind any villain in the movie as long as it stays true to the movie continuity. Raimi and company are just too smart and talented to mess this up.

Well don't.

Oh, boo hoo. He's right. Carnage was totally a marketing gimmick designed to fill the void of Venom. I mean, the whole ploy was "He's Venom, but crazier!" Kind of sad, if you ask me.

Still, under the right writer, I can see the character being redeemed. Like, he'd have to be totally aware about how much of a self-mockery he is, though. If only Marvel could get Grant Morrison on this title...

[StoneGold]

Still, under the right writer, I can see the character being redeemed. Like, he'd have to be totally aware about how much of a self-mockery he is, though. If only Marvel could get Grant Morrison on this title...
That would almost have to be the very last Carnage story. There's not much left if he realizes he's mostly just a one-note killing machine character.

[Tetrachromatic]

That would almost have to be the very last Carnage story. There's not much left if he realizes he's mostly just a one-note killing machine character.

Carnage's hilariously deadly missteps to redemption: "I know what I've done was terrible. I'll try to redeem myself by helping people! Here, ma'am. Let me help you across the street. What? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

I honestly love what DC is allowing Morrison to do by refreshing and remolding old, C-list characters into something interesting. It'd be awesome if Marvel did the same thing.

[StoneGold]

Carnage's hilariously deadly missteps to redemption: "I know what I've done was terrible. I'll try to redeem myself by helping people! Here, ma'am. Let me help you across the street. What? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

I honestly love what DC is allowing Morrison to do by refreshing and remolding old, C-list characters into something interesting. It'd be awesome if Marvel did the same thing.
Eh, honestly, I've found Morrison's take somewhat overrated. But literally, if Carnage tried to redeem himself, or even be less of a one-note killing machine, he'd vanish into the ether.

[Rosie]

Oh, boo hoo. He's right. Carnage was totally a marketing gimmick designed to fill the void of Venom. I mean, the whole ploy was "He's Venom, but crazier!" Kind of sad, if you ask me.


I have an opinion and it differs from yours, thank you very much.

[Tetrachromatic]

Eh, honestly, I've found Morrison's take somewhat overrated.

Really? The Seven Soldiers series is probably the best character refresh (sans Zatanna, who was already awesome) method I've seen in decades. When you can make Klarion and Manhattan Guardian interesting and relevant, you know you're doing something right.

But literally, if Carnage tried to redeem himself, or even be less of a one-note killing machine, he'd vanish into the ether.

Yeah, but between that expanse are limitless possibilities. That's the great thing about comics - get the right writer and even the most hobbled, broken, pointless mess of a character can be revived.

I have an opinion and it differs from yours, thank you very much.

Yeah, but your opinion is hardly fleshed-out. Others and I have made our critiques of Carnage apparent. You just sit there and say "nuh-uh". By all means, prove us wrong.

[Rosie]

Yeah, but your opinion is hardly fleshed-out. Others and I have made our critiques of Carnage apparent. You just sit there and say "nuh-uh". By all means, prove us wrong.

That's really fricking annoying. Not only am I not allowed to have an opinion unless it's "Fleshed out" I did indeed write two paragraphs explaining exactly why Carnage made things interesting for Spiderman & Co. yet all anyone opposing him has done is claim he's too simple and one sided, over and over again.

Less Elitism please.

[Venom]

I think Venom, and also Carnage, the Scarlet Spider, and others, became scapegoats for those looking back at the original comics with rose tinted glasses.

Of course, the real reason that there was so much upset in Spiderman was that it was going on for 40 years without any set team of writers or really that much guidance. Same things happened to Doctor Who, kind of, until it got a recent revival killing off many of the past ties by destroying gallifrey.
Continuity became garbled, characters came back from the dead that probably shouldn't have, things very much got confused. But people, whether they admit it or not, blame it on characters like Venom.

People try to look at the point where Spiderman became "Bad" - Was it when Venom appeared? Carange? The Clone Saga?

Venom is a good point for some people, because it introduced some things that were very different and alien to what Spiderman had previously been. Not only that, the whole Carnage thing was very nearly bumper to bumper with the Clone Saga.

Honestly, I really enjoyed some of the Clone Saga comics with Ben as Spiderman more than a lot of the originals. The older comics are more childish and most importantly, less self aware - sure, they're great stories, but I hardly think they're reeming in the "Depth" Venom supposedly lacks.

I find it hard to enjoy Spiderman as opposed to Ultimate Spiderman and the 90s cartoon based on it because of the lack of self awareness, which is a shame. I see the original Spiderman as a fountain of excellent ideas and great characters more than being an amazing comic to follow.

And Venom's character has *tons* of depth. He's a character that, after the intiial few appearances, really isn't a clear cut good guy or bad guy. He's often funny, witty and entertaining, and very often has charisma and a strong sense of justice when he really gets going. He's a GREAT character and the mechanic between him and Spiderman when they team up is truly amazing.

Obviously, he got overused, but that was sort of going to happen anyway. I really liked Venom Vs. Carnage, but I disliked that Venom wanted Toxin to fight with him against Spiderman. Not only did it not make a lot of sense, I thought they'd "Made peace" already? Spiderman with Venom as an sort-of-ally would be interesting.

And Maximum Carnage was one of the most fun little Sagas I've read in ages. It was amazing and I wish they'd do something like that in Ultimate Marvel.

Another thing about Scapegoats is that people ALWAYS go for the "Clones" and "Warped versions" - have you seen how many people detest Shadow the Hedgehog's guts and blame any of Sonic Team's mess ups on him for next to no reason? They feel they're "tainting" the original characters somehow.

As for Carnage - don't you guys get that the whole POINT was to emphasise how close Spiderman could be to his villians by putting him up against something that was inhuman? It made him work with Venom and Morbius. Carnage isn't to be taken as a character that's MEANT to be deep, he's someone who, as Spider-man said, "Never had a chance". He's still a child inside and doesn't understand his actions. He's a FORCE rather than a person.

That's why his name is "Carnage" and not "Carnage-man".

And what exactly the hell is wrong with having a real monstrous villian for once, exactly? Does EVERY single guy who wants to off Spidey have to be a guy who could have nearly ended up being a superhero, a depressed scientist, or a midwife who has just been divorced and left supporting a family that her baby delivering career can't fully support so she injects herself with the Goblin formula and becomes SheGoblin to rob banks to raise the cash? Honestly?

Most people who hate Carnage don't understand what he's there for.

I'm glad someone else thinks the same why I do.

[Tetrachromatic]

So, the defense for Venom and Carnage is that "we're making them scapegoats" and that "they're well-developed because they're funny and they kill stuff". I don't think that holds much water.

Venom's character development hit a brick wall with the ringing of the bell. He no longer posed a serious threat to Spider-Man. Since the whole basis for his character was being such a vicious threat, what was left was an empty shell that others attempted to fill with anti-hero stuff yanked from out of the blue. The argument can be made that Venom would've been a nice, occasional one-note villain, but I don't see how anyone can seriously imagine him in future Spider-Man comics.

Any defense for Carnage is laughable. He was created to cash-in on Venom's popularity. He's barely a character - oh, look, a crazy serial killer hick with a drop of gooey alien dung from Venom, AMAZING! Let's look at Maximum Carnage for a moment. It truly read like some poor Image hyper-violence knock-off. Next thing I know, you'll be telling us that Toxin was an original take on a villain.

Rosie and Venom, I'm never going to agree with you. Elitism? Call it whatever you want. I see you two defending characters that don't merit any defense. I take Spider-Man seriously - it's always been one of my favorite Marvel books. I never want to see it devolve into Venom/Carnage territory ever again. So, put that in your collective pipe and smoke it.

Seriously, thank god at least one is dead:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/24/Sentrycarnage.jpg

[Crimson]

Any defense for Carnage is laughable. He was created to cash-in on Venom's popularity. He's barely a character - oh, look, a crazy serial killer hick with a drop of gooey alien dung from Venom, AMAZING! Let's look at Maximum Carnage for a moment. It truly read like some poor Image hyper-violence knock-off. Next thing I know, you'll be telling us that Toxin was an original take on a villain.


Out of interest... how much of Toxin have you actually read?

He isn't a villain and never was.

[Tetrachromatic]

Out of interest... how much of Toxin have you actually read?

He isn't a villain and never was.

Err, I meant hero.

I mean, beat cop with a problem finds a mysterious thing and BLAMMO! he's a superhero.

[Rosie]

So, the defense for Venom and Carnage is that "we're making them scapegoats" and that "they're well-developed because they're funny and they kill stuff". I don't think that holds much water.

Venom's character development hit a brick wall with the ringing of the bell. He no longer posed a serious threat to Spider-Man. Since the whole basis for his character was being such a vicious threat, what was left was an empty shell that others attempted to fill with anti-hero stuff yanked from out of the blue. The argument can be made that Venom would've been a nice, occasional one-note villain, but I don't see how anyone can seriously imagine him in future Spider-Man comics.

Any defense for Carnage is laughable. He was created to cash-in on Venom's popularity. He's barely a character - oh, look, a crazy serial killer hick with a drop of gooey alien dung from Venom, AMAZING! Let's look at Maximum Carnage for a moment. It truly read like some poor Image hyper-violence knock-off. Next thing I know, you'll be telling us that Toxin was an original take on a villain.

Rosie and Venom, I'm never going to agree with you. Elitism? Call it whatever you want. I see you two defending characters that don't merit any defense. I take Spider-Man seriously - it's always been one of my favorite Marvel books. I never want to see it devolve into Venom/Carnage territory ever again. So, put that in your collective pipe and smoke it.

Seriously, thank god at least one is dead:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/24/Sentrycarnage.jpg

It's not the "I don't like Carnage". It's the "Any defense for Carnage is laughable" and pretty much you and others acting like stuck up jerks unable to accept that some people indeed do indeed like Venom and Carnage. And don't claim that you were only voicing your opinion, many of the things the anti-V/C people have said, and you have said in that last email, were extremely forceful and arrogant.

I didnt' say that any reason for disliking Venom or Carnage was laughable, or that they had to like them, I merely pointed out the flaws I found in the main defense. Whereas you've barely come short of saying that anyone who likes Carnage is an idiot who doesn't have any taste in comic books. That really pisses me off.

[Tetrachromatic]

...some people indeed do indeed like Venom and Carnage.

Yeah, and some people liked Darkhawk. That doesn't validate the character nor change the fact that it pales in comparison to the best heroes and villains that comics have to offer.

[Rosie]

Yeah, and some people liked Darkhawk. That doesn't validate the character nor change the fact that it pales in comparison to the best heroes and villains that comics have to offer.

...Whatever.

[Tetrachromatic]

...Whatever.

Wait, maybe I had it wrong all along! Maybe they all just wanted to be friends!

http://home.comcast.net/~coderre/comics/venom.jpg

"Hey, no hard feelings. Let me buy you a beer..."

[Venom]

So, the defense for Venom and Carnage is that "we're making them scapegoats" and that "they're well-developed because they're funny and they kill stuff". I don't think that holds much water.

Venom's character development hit a brick wall with the ringing of the bell. He no longer posed a serious threat to Spider-Man. Since the whole basis for his character was being such a vicious threat, what was left was an empty shell that others attempted to fill with anti-hero stuff yanked from out of the blue. The argument can be made that Venom would've been a nice, occasional one-note villain, but I don't see how anyone can seriously imagine him in future Spider-Man comics.

Any defense for Carnage is laughable. He was created to cash-in on Venom's popularity. He's barely a character - oh, look, a crazy serial killer hick with a drop of gooey alien dung from Venom, AMAZING! Let's look at Maximum Carnage for a moment. It truly read like some poor Image hyper-violence knock-off. Next thing I know, you'll be telling us that Toxin was an original take on a villain.

Rosie and Venom, I'm never going to agree with you. Elitism? Call it whatever you want. I see you two defending characters that don't merit any defense. I take Spider-Man seriously - it's always been one of my favorite Marvel books. I never want to see it devolve into Venom/Carnage territory ever again. So, put that in your collective pipe and smoke it.

Seriously, thank god at least one is dead:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/24/Sentrycarnage.jpg

Acually Tetrachromatic, you are wrong. Carnage isn't dead because an accurate website said that there was no Kasady in the Symbiote when Sentry did that to him. For all we know Kasady could still be on Earth while the Symbiote is alive probably regenarating. So stick that up your pipe and smoke it!

[Venom]

I am really getting sick of people comming onto this topic getting all arrogant.
Can't some people on here be more diplomatic. I don't mind at all if some people don't like Venom that's their opinion. But arrogant people really piss me off! If you don't want to be diplomatatic...THEN GET THE HELL OFF MY THREAD!!!

[Tadhg]

THEN GET THE HELL OFF MY THREAD!!!

That's pretty arrogant of you.

[Venom]

That's pretty arrogant of you.

Maybe but I can't stand arrogant people and you are one of them acting like you aren't one of them you hypocrite.

[Tadhg]

Maybe but I can't stand arrogant people and you are one of them acting like you aren't one of them you hypocrite.

First, commas and periods are your friends. Second, you should learn what words mean before you use them. I have never said anything hypocritical in this thread. Hypocritical would be say, bitching about people being arrogant, while being arrogant yourself. Sound familiar?

I haven't even been condescending in this thread until now.

[darkhawk76]

I like the basic idea of a super villian who has all of Spidey's powers

but Venom jumped the shark when Marvel went mad and gave him his own mini series. The whole innocents thing didn't work for me and I got bored of Eddie (but he's miles better than having Max as the new Venom)

Carnage I didn't mind, but again the writers seem to run out of decent ideas/stories for him

I'm not over the moon about Venom being the next villian for the movies (what happened to the Lizard).

I think people should be allowed to like or dislike who they want, if you feel a character needs defending then do that. Don't hold it against people who happen to have a differenct view to your

:)

[Venom]

First, commas and periods are your friends. Second, you should learn what words mean before you use them. I have never said anything hypocritical in this thread. Hypocritical would be say, bitching about people being arrogant, while being arrogant yourself. Sound familiar?

I haven't even been condescending in this thread until now.

You were the first person to reply on this thread (remember that) and I think you need to check a dictionary mate because that is not what hypocrite means. Hypocrite means someone one pretending to be something they are not or believe something they do not. I am what I am, I'm not arrogant and if you can't prove your point then don't bother replying and if you can't accept me as who I am then you know where the door is.

[Tadhg]

You were the first person to reply on this thread (remember that)

And there was a problem with my first post? Other than the fact it was an opinion that dissented from yours, I mean. There was nothing mean, condescending, or arrogant about it. I just replied to your question. It's not my fault you got defensive over my not liking Venom, I didn't say anything about you or how silly I think calling yourself Venom is. I didn't say people who liked Venom were puerile. I just said that I didn't like Venom, and that obviously got your panties in a twist to the point where you called me a hypocrite.

and I think you need to check a dictionary mate because that is not what hypocrite means. Hypocrite means someone one pretending to be something they are not or believe something they do not.

Being vocal against something(Like hating arrogant people) while being that exact thing(An arrogant person) IS hypocritical, sorry to break it to you champ.


I am what I am, I'm not arrogant and if you can't prove your point then don't bother replying and if you can't accept me as who I am then you know where the door is.

That last line is also pretty arrogant.

[Venom]

And there was a problem with my first post? Other than the fact it was an opinion that dissented from yours, I mean. There was nothing mean, condescending, or arrogant about it. I just replied to your question. It's not my fault you got defensive over my not liking Venom, I didn't say anything about you or how silly I think calling yourself Venom is. I didn't say people who liked Venom were puerile. I just said that I didn't like Venom, and that obviously got your panties in a twist to the point where you called me a hypocrite.



Being vocal against something(Like hating arrogant people) while being that exact thing(An arrogant person) IS hypocritical, sorry to break it to you champ.




That last line is also pretty arrogant.

Now you're putting words in my mouth I said arrogant people piss me off, I didn't say I hate them and you're really getting touchy about some things. Some phrases I've said to you have no relation to being hyporictical or arrogant at all. You're just making some of this up as you go along. I said you can accept me as who I am or not, the "not" meaning you know where the door is.
I may be debating with you but I accept who you are and I don't want to get in a debate about this all day mate. So shall we call it quits or do you want to get more off your chest? I'm all eyes.

[Tadhg]

Now you're putting words in my mouth I said arrogant people piss me off, I didn't say I hate them

So sorry. You're just pissed off at arrogant people. It still stands though. You're being arrogant while deriding people for being arrogant.


and you're really are getting touchy about some things.

Not really. Just pointing out the fallacies in your logic.

Some phrases I've said to you have no relation to being hyporictical at all.

What does that have to do with the price of tea in china?

You're just making some of this up as you go along. I said you can accept me as who I am or not, the "not" meaning you know where the door is.

And it is STILL an arrogant thing to say.


I may be debating with you but I accept who you are and I don't want to get in a debate about this all day mate. So shall we call it quits or do you want to get more off your chest? I'm all eyes.

I'm not really debating or getting anything off my chest. But why should I call it quits? I'm amused by the whole thing. And you still haven't shown where I was being hypocritical.

[twilight]

When I was a kid Venom was my favourite Spidey villain.

After I grew up I could see the inherent flaws in his character and started to dislike him.

[Venom]

What does that have to do with the price of tea in china?

Now who's being arrogant AND sarcastic. ya know what maybe I should just call you Mr. Arrogant from now on because everything I say is just arrogant to you and you're acting as if you're the only one who isn't. Everyone has a little bit of arrogance in them but you have to make a big deal of it. Tadhg Adams, here's a little advice, calm down and stop overeacting about what's arrogant and what's not arrogant.

[Tadhg]

Now who's being arrogant AND sarcastic.

More condescending than sarcastic, but thanks for playing.(That's also condescension, just for your reference.)

[Venom]

More condescending than sarcastic, but thanks for playing.(That's also condescension, just for your reference.)

I give up! I just can't make this guy see any sense.

[Sheldon]

Venom was/is the victim of marvel oversaturation...

[Tadhg]

I give up! I just can't make this guy see any sense.

Heh. It helps to have an actual point. What sense do you want me to see? This all started because I called you arrogant and you called me hypocritical. So you want me to see where I'm hypocritical? You mentioned the first post, but there was certainly nothing hypocritical there. You're batting a whopping .000 buddy. If the sense you want me to see is that I'm condscending, since I'm the one who pointed that little fact out, well you get the rest. Do you want me to see that you're not arrogant? Well I pointed out the arrogant things you said, and why do I care or you care what I think of you?

[Venom]

Heh. It helps to have an actual point. What sense do you want me to see? This all started because I called you arrogant and you called me hypocritical. So you want me to see where I'm hypocritical? You mentioned the first post, but there was certainly nothing hypocritical there. You're batting a whopping .000 buddy. If the sense you want me to see is that I'm condscending, since I'm the one who pointed that little fact out, well you get the rest. Do you want me to see that you're not arrogant? Well I pointed out the arrogant things you said, and why do I care or you care what I think of you?

I don't care what you think of me and neither do you, I'd also like to apologise if I was wrong. I go a little over the top sometimes because some people on this forum just sound so negative at times and it winds me up.

[Jake V]

Acually Tetrachromatic, you are wrong. Carnage isn't dead because an accurate website said that there was no Kasady in the Symbiote when Sentry did that to him. For all we know Kasady could still be on Earth while the Symbiote is alive probably regenarating. So stick that up your pipe and smoke it!
I'm surprised that no one has commented on this yet. An accurate website? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

So this accurate website read pages we didn't? Has access to scripts that we don't? Please. There was never any indication that the Carnage that got ripped in half in space wasn't the full, 2-in-1 Carnage. You're accurate website is nothing more than Carnage fanboy speculation.

[Jake V]

It's not the "I don't like Carnage". It's the "Any defense for Carnage is laughable" and pretty much you and others acting like stuck up jerks unable to accept that some people indeed do indeed like Venom and Carnage. And don't claim that you were only voicing your opinion, many of the things the anti-V/C people have said, and you have said in that last email, were extremely forceful and arrogant.

I didnt' say that any reason for disliking Venom or Carnage was laughable, or that they had to like them, I merely pointed out the flaws I found in the main defense. Whereas you've barely come short of saying that anyone who likes Carnage is an idiot who doesn't have any taste in comic books. That really pisses me off.
But it's true.

[Rosie]

But it's true.

Gods you're annoying.

[Jake V]

Gods you're annoying.
It's still true. And you're still wrong.

[StoneGold]

I'm surprised that no one has commented on this yet. An accurate website? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
.
I could have sworn I did. If I didn't, I meant to.

[Rosie]

It's still true. And you're still wrong.

No, I'm not. Everyone is allowed to have their own opinion and interpretation of a character, and you're just being obnoxious.

[Venom]

I'm surprised that no one has commented on this yet. An accurate website? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

So this accurate website read pages we didn't? Has access to scripts that we don't? Please. There was never any indication that the Carnage that got ripped in half in space wasn't the full, 2-in-1 Carnage. You're accurate website is nothing more than Carnage fanboy speculation.

It's called www.Wikipedia.com and has every single detail about nearly if not everything in this world so check it out yourself.

[Jake V]

It's called www.Wikipedia.com and has every single detail about nearly if not everything in this world so check it out yourself.
Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. Look at the entry for Venom. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venom_%28comics%29#Other_versions_of_Venom

Especially that last bit before the bibliography.

Wikipedia is entirely written by regular people, and thus, is not an authority on anything.

Nice try though.

[Joe-Dono]

Wow this thread has gone down hill sinse around post 40.

Personaly i wish they would stop with the symbiotes, why do we have 3 running around when 1 is to meny.

Who was it who said they liked venom when they was a kid, but when they grew up they could see all his flaws?

i think that is how alot of us feel, though for me it was i got tierd of him being shoved in my face and told to like him cos "it iz liek teh Uber spider-man".

[Venom]

Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. Look at the entry for Venom. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venom_%28comics%29#Other_versions_of_Venom

Especially that last bit before the bibliography.

Wikipedia is entirely written by regular people, and thus, is not an authority on anything.

Nice try though.

Cheers mate! I appreciate the kind gesture.

[Venoman]

I dont think they cold have chosen a better villain...i mean what were the choices? Venom is such an amazing creature... he tests spiderman to the max since he is way more powerful.. and playing the new ulitmate spiderman as venom besides not having anything good to do is almost better than being spiderman... you can leap Really high and consume people to gain energy... and then theres the power to throw cars and people in the air.... its amazing. I do like sandman but i would of prefered the vulture he way better... perhaps hell be in spiderman 4 if they even do one...the whole spiderman film thing might get a bit old by then..
by the way does anyone know what happened with the whole venom/punisher story? didnt the punisher once where the venom costume? i swear ive seen a pic of the venom with a punsiher skull on his chest... it looked awsome

[Venom]

I dont think they cold have chosen a better villain...i mean what were the choices? Venom is such an amazing creature... he tests spiderman to the max since he is way more powerful.. and playing the new ulitmate spiderman as venom besides not having anything good to do is almost better than being spiderman... you can leap Really high and consume people to gain energy... and then theres the power to throw cars and people in the air.... its amazing. I do like sandman but i would of prefered the vulture he way better... perhaps hell be in spiderman 4 if they even do one...the whole spiderman film thing might get a bit old by then..
by the way does anyone know what happened with the whole venom/punisher story? didnt the punisher once where the venom costume? i swear ive seen a pic of the venom with a punsiher skull on his chest... it looked awsome

It was a What If story in the early 90's. It was called "What If Venom Had Possessed The Punisher"

[Venoman]

thanx... yeah i actually thought it may have been a what if... i gotta get that it sounds cool...