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Nightcrawler
10-04-2005, 03:16 PM
Anyone can vote. Please read both strategies before voting.

****Please only vote 1 time! Double votes will not be counted!****

K'Nort- Metamorpho, Psimon, Orion, Demon (Etrigan), Booster Gold, Sister Superior, Major Disaster, Unknown Soldier

Lex- Captain Atom, Dr. Alchemy, Mr. Mind, Black Lightning, Multiplex, Multi-Man, Faust, Floronic Man, Giganta, Fiddler, Firebrand II, Shakedown


Here is Lex's strategy:

Captain Atom: “Alright, Cool Tapes, by the time we’re done with K’Nort, she’ll be Weeping Loser of the Month!”

Shakedown: “Man, that was lame. We’re voting for a new leader after this match.”

At the Start

- Mr. Mind crawls into Floronic Man’s ear to enter his brain.
- Faust borrows energy from the souls of his teammates to created a shield that stops the opening volleys from Orion, Booster Gold, Vera Black and the Unknown Soldier.
- Shakedown uses his vibrational powers to counter any vibrations that Major Disaster night produce (through earthquakes and whatnot)
- Captain Atom blasts Multiplex with his atomic energy and Multiplex absorbs that energy to create about 25 duplicates which surround our whole group.
- Captain Atom, Black Lightning, Dr. Alchemy and Firebrand take to the air.
- Giganta grows to giant size.

Round 1

I’m guessing K’Nort’s first move is to use Psimon to mind control my team. Since Mr. Mind is now in Floronic Man’s brain, he is the only one who can control FM’s mind and that makes him immune to Psimon. So, Floronic Man uses his power to sprout giant vines from the ground underneath Psimon and wrap him up. This distracts him enough to release control of my team members (if he has taken control of any). Then, FM has the vines bash Psimon into the ground several times to knock him out.

Dr. Alchemy heads straight to Metamorpho. He uses his Philosopher’s Stone to transform Metamorpho into gold (an element that Metamorpho can’t transform into on his own... and will be frozen like that). It’ll take some effort for him to transform back to normal and when he does, Dr. Alchemy will transform him again (either gold or another element he can’t do like radium). This will keep Metamorpho occupied and out of the fight.

After firing several bolts of Astro Force at Faust’s shield, Orion has probably gotten frustrated and started to charge my team on his Astro Glider. My heavy hitters, Captain Atom and Giganta begin fighting him with everything they can. Captain Atom’s first priority is the Astro Glider. He will blast it with all the energy he has. Cap will probably take a few hits of Astro Force during this time, but it won’t be enough to send him into the Quantum Field because Giganta is there to hit Orion and interrupt the blasts.

The Multiplexes march towards the opposite team and start attacking Unknown Soldier, Vera and Etrigan. The sheer number of Multiplexes will knock out Unknown Soldier (who may kill a couple duplicates with his guns, but will still be over powered). For Etrigan, every time he breathes/shoots/whatever fire at Multiplex, he can absorb it and make a new duplicate. Unfortunately, outnumbering Etrigan is just a distraction until I can free up a heavy hitter. I’m not sure if the Multiplexes can over power Vera. She’s tough and she has guns for arms. If she uses her illusion power, she can probably hide among the Multiplexes. If she doesn’t, they’ll keep her distracted for a little bit. (Note: the original Multiplex will be fighting among his duplicates so it will be impossible to tell which is which).

Black Lightning and Firebrand attack Booster Gold. They can probably dodge his blasts, but he’ll be a challenge if he puts up his force field. Their goal is to distract Booster from using his force field to protect any of his teammates.

Shakedown is being taxed while trying to prevent Major Disaster from using his powers. Fortunately, the Fiddler comes by and starts playing a sleep song on his violin. That puts Major Disaster to sleep and he is out of the battle.

Faust has disappeared.

Round 2

Floronic Man, still being controlled by Mr. Mind, uses his powers to sprout more vines out of the ground... this time near Booster Gold. The vines surround Booster’s force field and begin to squeeze it. Either the pressure will break the shield or it will create feedback and shut down. Whichever it is, Booster is unprotected and a quick jolt from Black Lightning knocks him out. Firebrand and Black Lightning fly off to the other battles.

Captain Atom and Giganta are still struggling with Orion. Cap manages to damage Orion’s mother box with one of his blasts. With out her help, Orion looses him composure and goes into a berserker rage. Without his normally cool head, Cap manages to get the Astro Glider away from Orion and he plummets to the ground.

By now, Metamorpho has found away around Dr. Alchemy’s tactic and has probably taken the Doctor out. Black Lightning and Firebrand swoop in and start blasting him with everything they have. The heat from their blasts makes it hard for him to get his chemical reactions going and he kinda melts. He’ll probably pass out from the strain, but if not this will keep him occupied until he can be taken out.

Dealing with Sister Superior:

1.) If she has made herself look like one of the Multiplexes, then she will be surprised to see one of them cast a soul spell that dissolves illusions. While her illusion disappears, the Multiplex who cast it is revealed to actually be Faust in disguise. Faust then casts a sleep spell on Vera.
2.) If she hasn’t been using her illusion power, then Faust sneaks up on her disguised as a Multiplex (there should be plenty around her as she fight them). He uses his soul magic to cast a sleep spell on her.


Etrigan is still fighting the other Multiplexes. He should be distracted enough that he doesn’t notice Shakedown and Fiddler creep up on him. They combine their powers to create a huge vibrational attack. In Morrison’s JLA, it was established that angels live on a higher vibrational plane. They are in constant vibration and disrupting it will make them disintegrate. Since demons were once angels and Hell is probably on another vibrational plane too, I’m making the case that the same tactic could work on Etrigan. The combined force of their attack could disintegrate Etrigan. And if that doesn’t work, the vibrational force should be enough to knock the Demon out... and the remaining Multiplexes too (but they’ve served their purpose).

Round 3

Shakedown now lends his strength and tough hide to the fight against Orion (who is now land-bound). Without Motherbox’s influence, he should be getting increasingly erratic. Everyone teamed up against Orion should be enough to wear him down and eventually knock him out.

Metamorpho is the only one left if the heat attacks from Firebrand and Black Lightning haven’t knocked him out. To make sure he’s out, Fiddler plays his sleep song again and Metamorpho is donw.

End of Fight

Suddenly, Multi-Man runs up to join his teammates.

Multi-Man: “Hey guys! Is the match already over?”

Black Lightning: “Yeah, we started without you. Sorry about that.”

Multi-Man: “But I thought someone was supposed to kill me?”

A giant foot comes down and crushes Multi-Man.

Giganta: “There ya go, buddy

Nightcrawler
10-04-2005, 03:16 PM
And K'Nort's strategy:

Step 1

* Psimon turns Black Lightning against Captain Atom. He compels BL to see CA as his primary enemy and arms him with the knowledge that a relentless electrical attack will eventually cause Captain Atom to overload and be blown into another time. At the same time, Psimon is persuading Captain Atom that he cannot hope to prevail against Black Lighting and that he is thus paralyzed with fear.

* Booster Gold encloses Multiplex in a non-expandable forcefield, thus preventing him from producing duplicates or otherwise engaging in the battle.

* Etrigan, as a much higher-level magic user, spell blocks whatever Faust is preparing to case.

* Orion, on his Astro-Harness, moves into position against Giganta, firing as she nears the top of her growth spurt. This maximizes the distraction - and quite possibly damage - when she falls onto the rest of her team.

* Vera incapacitates Dr Alchemy with a barrage of assorted firepower (ie, even if he could somehow react in time to lead bullets, not everything is the same material). The focus is on extremities, not killing him.

* Major Disaster calls down a localized lightning storm which remains in the radius over the team's original position throughout the match. This is a particular threat to Captain Atom and the Floronic Man. But it won't do anyone any good, and will serve as an additional disruption.

*The Unknown Soldier, from a standard sniper position in a nearby building, takes out first The Fiddler's instrument and then whichever hand is a clearer shot.

* Metamorpho envelops Shockwave's head in Halothane (carbon, fluorine, hydrogen, chlorine, bromine), a standard veterinary anesthetic vapor.


Step 2

* Psimon mentally locates Mr Mind. It was not necessary to find Mr Mind right away because he has to be within about 20 feet to influence even a regular person. Psimon should be able to simply use telekinesis to fling Mr Mind several blocks away. If somehow Mr Mind has amped up his abilities lately to be able to block that, it will simply come down to a mental battle. Psimon, as the more powerful of the two, will eventually prevail and reduce Mr Mind to standard worm intellect.

* Orion finishes off Captain Atom with a blast of energy overload.

* Etrigan roasts Woodrue with hellfire. No reason for mercy there.

* Booster Gold and Vera take out (incapacitate) Firebrand with standard concussive blasts and firepower.

* The Unknown Soldier takes out Faust with his next sniper shot.

* As soon as Black Lightning's powers are no longer needed against Captain Atom, Metamorpho knocks out his former teammate with more Halothane.

The Wayner
10-04-2005, 03:47 PM
K'Nort utilizes the Unknown Soldier! 'nuff said.

Nightcrawler
10-04-2005, 05:17 PM
K'Nort gets my vote.

Lex
10-04-2005, 06:41 PM
It's okay to defend our strategies, right?

* Psimon turns Black Lightning against Captain Atom. He compels BL to see CA as his primary enemy and arms him with the knowledge that a relentless electrical attack will eventually cause Captain Atom to overload and be blown into another time. At the same time, Psimon is persuading Captain Atom that he cannot hope to prevail against Black Lighting and that he is thus paralyzed with fear.At first I thought you meant that Black Lightning actually sent Cap into the timestream. I was going to defend it saying that it would take more energy than that to do it, but then I reread and saw that it was only part of the mental illusion. So okay, cool. But Floronic Man's attack stops this and my guys are free to go on to their tasks.

* Booster Gold encloses Multiplex in a non-expandable forcefield, thus preventing him from producing duplicates or otherwise engaging in the battle.Okay, this I can't really defend. Good thinking K'Nort. This strategy even eliminates the possibility of Multi making duplicates because he needs energy from somewhere to duplicate himself (I don't think I've ever seen him get that energy from a froce field). So crap. This eliminates my distraction for Vera, Etrigan and Unknown Soldier.

* Etrigan, as a much higher-level magic user, spell blocks whatever Faust is preparing to case.Faust is just casting a shield in front of my team (shoot, I don't think I specified that). I'm not sure I've ever seen a shield spell deflected. Would it be possible?

And I guess I didn't realize Etrigan could cast spells in this form. I knew Jason Blood could.

* Orion, on his Astro-Harness, moves into position against Giganta, firing as she nears the top of her growth spurt. This maximizes the distraction - and quite possibly damage - when she falls onto the rest of her team.Good thing I freed up Captain Atom to help Giganta.

* Vera incapacitates Dr Alchemy with a barrage of assorted firepower (ie, even if he could somehow react in time to lead bullets, not everything is the same material). The focus is on extremities, not killing him.If my shield is still in place, then this shouldn't work.

* Major Disaster calls down a localized lightning storm which remains in the radius over the team's original position throughout the match. This is a particular threat to Captain Atom and the Floronic Man. But it won't do anyone any good, and will serve as an additional disruption.Yeah, that would be tough, and not the type of disaster I predicted that he would use. Is he putting it over my team's original position? Because I have most of them going moble at the start.

*The Unknown Soldier, from a standard sniper position in a nearby building, takes out first The Fiddler's instrument and then whichever hand is a clearer shot.Can we start the match from somewhere other than the battle field? Anyway, if I still have the shield, this should protect Fiddler.

Jessica Drew
10-04-2005, 08:02 PM
This one's close; I'm not sure, yet.

K'Nort
10-04-2005, 08:18 PM
But Floronic Man's attack stops this and my guys are free to go on to their tasks.

1. I think Psimon would easily be able to cast his 'spell' on Black Lightning -- especially with it being a fairly simple one -- before Mr Mind could crawl all the way into Woodrue's ear and take control and then Woodrue makes vines sprout. Not least because Mr Mind will probably be distracted in there by all sorts of vegetational wormy goodness to munch on!

2. Since this is the middle of an abandoned city, would Woodrue really be able to find vines that easily/quickly? Also, he can communicate with and control plants, but he's usually not a full elemental who can make them do things they're not already capable of.

Faust is just casting a shield in front of my team (shoot, I don't think I specified that). I'm not sure I've ever seen a shield spell deflected. Would it be possible?

And I guess I didn't realize Etrigan could cast spells in this form. I knew Jason Blood could.

Kirby described Etrigan as a high-level magic user who just prefers to use brute force. When you see a lot of those Sentinels of Magic gatherings in crossovers, where they're in a ring doing something mystical to keep the planet together, it's Etrigan, not Jason, participating.

And there are basic 'dissolve spell' enchantments, so it doesn't matter whether it's a shield or whatever else.

Is he putting it over my team's original position? Because I have most of them going moble at the start.

It would be over the original position, yes. I don't think he can control individual bolts and such, so he can't put his own team at risk. So it's an issue of whether your team actually manages to get mobile based on what they're hit with.

Can we start the match from somewhere other than the battle field?

I wasn't clear on that one. He would start the match by darting into position. But the Fiddler's instrument doesn't instantly take effect on people either.

Lex
10-04-2005, 08:24 PM
2. Since this is the middle of an abandoned city, would Woodrue really be able to find vines that easily/quickly? Also, he can communicate with and control plants, but he's usually not a full elemental who can make them do things they're not already capable of.

In the recent JLA arc with the Secret Society of Super-Villains, he made a giant tree sprout out from underneath pavement. I'd bet he could grab ahold of any plant matter and make it into some powerful vines.

K'Nort
10-04-2005, 08:31 PM
In the recent JLA arc with the Secret Society of Super-Villains, he made a giant tree sprout out from underneath pavement. I'd bet he could grab ahold of any plant matter and make it into some powerful vines.

That would be the same scenario then, yes.

There would definitely still be time to zap Black Lightning and Captain Atom.

Psimon is telekenetic as well as telepathic, so he has a decent shot at freezing the vines after they grab him and before they knock him out. (And his powers don't require maintaining concentration once a command is in play so the distraction is a non-issue.) He'd also be pretty quick about turning his focus on Woodrue, who would have no resistance, as batshit crazy as he is. Plus he'd still have Etrigan bearing down on him at this point. Mr Mind could find himself roasted by association.

Hellpop
10-04-2005, 09:07 PM
Hey, I haven't finished yet, but Metamorpho can turn into gold, can't he? He did so in JLE, when he fought Guy Gardner. He turned to gold (yellow) and beat the snot outta him.

Lex
10-04-2005, 09:09 PM
Well, his old Silver Age limit was only being able to transform into the 30 (or so) elements in the human body. Maybe that limit went away after that. But, still, I have Dr. Alchemy transforming him into Radion and other elements that him might not normally do.

Hellpop
10-04-2005, 09:22 PM
Okay, this was a tough one. You guys both did a great job with your strategies. But I went with K'Nort, mainly because Lex's strategy relied a little too much on breaks, like Etrigan being too busy with Multiplexes to notice Shakedown and FIddler. Just don't think that would happen.

There's a couple things I don't quite buy in K'Nort's strategy too-- mainly, I don't think you really accounted for Captain Atom. Black Lightning does not have the power to take him on, no matter what Psiom may have said. But overall I think that your moves counter much of Lex's, so you get the nod. Great battle! :)

StarsAndGarters
10-04-2005, 09:32 PM
I think K'Nort deserves it. She sidestepped a lot of Lex's strategy, like Faust's shields (I'm pretty sure creating force fields and electrical storms and using mind control all work through shielding) and the airial attack from Cap Atom and Black Lightning.

Jessica Drew
10-04-2005, 09:43 PM
After some deliberation, I'm voting for K'Nort, for reasons that StarsandGarters (ooh, I can't wait until Marvel League returns, you FIEND!) posted.

twilight
10-04-2005, 09:56 PM
K'nort gets my vote but it was very close.

K'Nort
10-04-2005, 10:14 PM
Well, his old Silver Age limit was only being able to transform into the 30 (or so) elements in the human body. Maybe that limit went away after that. But, still, I have Dr. Alchemy transforming him into Radion and other elements that him might not normally do.

I'm operating under the assumption that Metamorpho can still only use those elements in the human body, yes. That's why I listed the ingredients for the anesthesia.

K'Nort
10-04-2005, 10:17 PM
There's a couple things I don't quite buy in K'Nort's strategy too-- mainly, I don't think you really accounted for Captain Atom. Black Lightning does not have the power to take him on, no matter what Psiom may have said.

Agreed. Black Lightning was mostly to keep him occupied, and getting softened up in terms of energy absorption, until Orion could really blast him with the Astro Harness.

Jared_Humpherys
10-04-2005, 10:33 PM
Damn, this was a great match. Great strategies on both sides. Gotta hand it to K'Nort though, as many of her moves put a monkey wrench in vital parts of Lex's strategy. Kudos to you both, though.

Lex
10-04-2005, 10:35 PM
I'm operating under the assumption that Metamorpho can still only use those elements in the human body, yes. That's why I listed the ingredients for the anesthesia.I noticed that and appriciated the up-front clarification.

Agreed. Black Lightning was mostly to keep him occupied, and getting softened up in terms of energy absorption, until Orion could really blast him with the Astro Harness. I'm not sure Cap can be "softened up" like that. Cap natually absorbs energy and transfers it to the Quantum Field that he's connected to. What makes him time shift to the future is trying to absorb too much energy too fast, like a whole lot of radiation.

Orion's Astor Force may or may not be too much energy too fast. That's why I had Giganta help Cap so he would never be getting a full-on blast.

Apathy Boy
10-04-2005, 11:26 PM
Terrific match, but I'm going to give K'Nort the nod. Lex's strategy seemed too focused on counteracting what he thought K'Nort was going to do. In the cases where Lex guessed wrong (e.g. thinking Major Disaster was going to call an earthquake), his team pays dearly.

Plus, using Booster Gold to counteract Multiplex is brilliant.

Lex
10-05-2005, 08:02 AM
Terrific match, but I'm going to give K'Nort the nod. Lex's strategy seemed too focused on counteracting what he thought K'Nort was going to do. In the cases where Lex guessed wrong (e.g. thinking Major Disaster was going to call an earthquake), his team pays dearly.When I was reading through the Crossover League, it seemed like if you didn't try to counter your oppenents team, your strategy stopped before it started. Now that I re-examine my strategy, I think I should've added the counters to extra contingancies and left the main part for my attacks.

Plus, using Booster Gold to counteract Multiplex is brilliant.Yeah, I have to hand it to K'Nort. I totally didn't see that one coming.

Well, for my first attempt at this game, I don't think it went too badly. I learned enough to hopefully make my next strategy better.

Hellpop
10-05-2005, 11:06 AM
I agree, Lex. For your first try you handled yourself admirably. I only hope I do as well today....

Taskmaster
10-05-2005, 02:32 PM
Good job guys, but I had to go with K'Nort, it just barely eeked out Lex though, can't wait to see ya'lls next battles