Question about Two-Face

[Azrael52]

Ok, my comicbook A.D.D. kicked in recently. Could someone break down Two-Face/Harvey Dent's post Hush appearances. Also, I read Jekyl and Hyde recently and got so lost. Ok story, though.

[Guts/Batman]

There have been theories that Harvey was Hush but that was formally put to rest in GK 70.

So far we haven't seen him since Hush IIRC.

Jekyl and Hyde Two-Face is the Two-Face is the one I wish that they will do when Two-Face gets his turn in a Batman Begins-esque movie.

[Sean Whitmore]

I think he appeared in Arkham in an issue of Gotham Central. There was also the Dark Detective mini series, but whether or not that's canon seems to be up in the air.


Also, I read Jekyl and Hyde recently and got so lost.


Me too. Paul Jenkins sure loves to invent new motivations for villains...


SEAN

[Guts/Batman]

Me too. Paul Jenkins sure loves to invent new motivations for villains...


SEAN

I got lost a lil but I liked having Two-Face being a lil more f***ed up than normal.

I didn't think he would shoot himself.

[CURSD BLADE]

So, after Batman: Hush, is Harvey officially cured of his mental insanity and his facial disfigurement?

[Sean Whitmore]

So, after Batman: Hush, is Harvey officially cured of his mental insanity and his facial disfigurement?


If all we have to go on is the one scene in Gotham Central (assuming Dark Detective isn't canon), then we have to assume he's scarred again.

(Then again, if Jeph Loeb wants to use Harvey over in Superman/Batman or something, there's no pressing need for him to acknowledge one panel in another book, so Harv's disfigurement will probably be gone then.)

As for his mental instability, I don't see why fixing his face would cure the fact that he is a sociopath with severe OCD.


SEAN

[Guts/Batman]

As for his mental instability, I don't see why fixing his face would cure the fact that he is a sociopath with severe OCD.


SEAN

It definitely didn't seem like he stopped being a sociopath with evere OCD in Hush. Especially when he shot "Tommy".

[Alan2099]

I don't trust a "cured" Two-Face. That was one of the things I really liked about Dark Knight Returns. Two-Face kept his two sides, they made him completley good on the outside, so he had to go to completley bad on the inside.

[Azrael52]

Maybe he'll show up in Crisis.

[mwm1331]

I don't trust a "cured" Two-Face. That was one of the things I really liked about Dark Knight Returns. Two-Face kept his two sides, they made him completley good on the outside, so he had to go to completley bad on the inside.
So then does that mean the easiest way to cure harvey would be to throw acid on the other side of his face?

[SlightlyMad]

So then does that mean the easiest way to cure harvey would be to throw acid on the other side of his face?

:D Good point! :D

p.s. I don't want to seem (more) dumb, but what does IIRC stand for?

[Guts/Batman]

:D Good point! :D

p.s. I don't want to seem (more) dumb, but what does IIRC stand for?

If I Remember Correctly

[Alan2099]

Could work. Of course good luck getting a job when you look like Freddy Kruegar.

[Guts/Batman]

Could work. Of course good luck getting a job when you look like Freddy Kruegar.

There's always horror movies...

Or better yet, being a criminal has no qualifications...

[mohammedali]

Ok, my comicbook A.D.D. kicked in recently. Could someone break down Two-Face/Harvey Dent's post Hush appearances. Also, I read Jekyl and Hyde recently and got so lost. Ok story, though.
Given that in Jekyl and Hyde it seems Gordon and Bats don't seem as well aquainted as they should be, and that Bruce hadn't researched Dents past - it figures to reason that this is early on in Batmans life. Batman would do a full research on most rougues he encounters nowadays let alone someone like Dent who he has such a history with. I doubt this has anything to do with IC etc.

Mohammed Ali

[Guts/Batman]

Given that in Jekyl and Hyde it seems Gordon and Bats don't seem as well aquainted as they should be, and that Bruce hadn't researched Dents past - it figures to reason that this is early on in Batmans life. Batman would do a full research on most rougues he encounters nowadays let alone someone like Dent who he has such a history with. I doubt this has anything to do with IC etc.

Mohammed Ali

Well if it is, in fact, an elseworld (Two-Face did die in J&H, IIRC), it could end up being a Two Face from a different Earth that is connected via Hypertime...

[mohammedali]

Well if it is, in fact, an elseworld (Two-Face did die in J&H, IIRC), it could end up being a Two Face from a different Earth that is connected via Hypertime...
He doesn't die in J&H. He gets a bullet lodged in his skull, loses part of his brain (?), ends up on a death bed - but doesn't die. Gordon says that if Harvey survives he will be even more messed up than before. I think it was supposed to be an explination for why someone like Dent could be as bad as he is in the comics. I don't take this as an elseworld, just a further explination to Dents past.

Mohammed Ali

[Guts/Batman]

He doesn't die in J&H. He gets a bullet lodged in his skull, loses part of his brain (?), ends up on a death bed - but doesn't die. Gordon says that if Harvey survives he will be even more messed up than before. I think it was supposed to be an explination for why someone like Dent could be as bad as he is in the comics. I don't take this as an elseworld, just a further explination to Dents past.

Mohammed Ali

Ahhhhhhhh

I remember now...

I took it as kinda both. It seemed Elseworld-esque to me but it did do some explanation of his past, true.

[Sean Whitmore]

Ahhhhhhhh

I remember now...

I took it as kinda both. It seemed Elseworld-esque to me but it did do some explanation of his past, true.


That's why I can't decide if this is canon or not.

On the one hand, it completely changes Harvey's backstory.

On the other hand, that happens to Batman villains ALL the time (just recently with Scarecrow), so who knows?


SEAN

[Guts/Batman]

That's why I can't decide if this is canon or not.

On the one hand, it completely changes Harvey's backstory.

On the other hand, that happens to Batman villains ALL the time (just recently with Scarecrow), so who knows?


SEAN

True...

Some these recent "early" Batman stories are odd like that.

[mohammedali]

True...

Some these recent "early" Batman stories are odd like that.
I think it's quite cool. I would like to see more of these. I would really like to see more of an origin for characters like Catwoman. I was going to say Joker but I guess we have the Killing Joke.

Mohammed Ali

[Guts/Batman]

I think it's quite cool. I would like to see more of these. I would really like to see more of an origin for characters like Catwoman. I was going to say Joker but I guess we have the Killing Joke.

Mohammed Ali

You mean other than Year One for Catwoman.

[mohammedali]

You mean other than Year One for Catwoman.
Something that looks more into why she became Catwoman, why she was a prostitute etc... With J&H we find out that Dent was in a happy family till he contributed to his brother being killed in a house fire and hence causing cetain things we knew happened like his dad hating him etc. Something like that with Catwoman would be cool.

Mohammed Ali

[Sean Whitmore]

Something that looks more into why she became Catwoman, why she was a prostitute etc... With J&H we find out that Dent was in a happy family till he contributed to his brother being killed in a house fire and hence causing cetain things we knew happened like his dad hating him etc. Something like that with Catwoman would be cool.


I don't know if DC recognizes her stint as a prostitute anymore. But as for the rest, there was a story like this near the end of the last Catwoman series. It dealt with her drunkard father, dead mother, and mysterious sister.


SEAN

[Guts/Batman]

I don't know if DC recognizes her stint as a prostitute anymore. But as for the rest, there was a story like this near the end of the last Catwoman series. It dealt with her drunkard father, dead mother, and mysterious sister.


SEAN

Plus some of them are tacky and just plain unnecessary.

An example would be some writer doing a mini about the backstory of how Tommy became Hush. Or how Bane became Bane.

I think most of the villains have sufficient explanation...