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Geardaddy
10-02-2005, 09:17 PM
Here is her comments on whether MJ will die is Spider-Man 3...

Dunst:

"I don't think they should kill Mary Jane off. That would be pretty typical if they killed the girl at the end. Why doesn't the superhero ever die? That would be so and and beautiful. He's so human too. I think if Mary Jane was alone and pregnant and he died, she could give birth to a spider-baby and carry on the series with another young boy or something like that. I hope she doesn't die. I just think that's kind of an obvious way to go: 'We have to end it, so let's just kill her.' Mary Jane is a huge, important piece of this film, as it's all about the love story."


Okay, a couple of points I'd like to make.

1) Does Kirsten even know what the hell she's talking about? How is it typical that they kill off the love interest? I don't know of any superhero movies where the love interest is killed off. Maybe I'm missing something here, but killing off the superhero's love interest would be anything but typical.

2) Have a pregnant MJ give birth to a spider-baby? I hate to break it to you Dunst, but people love Spider-Man for PETER PARKER. In many ways, Peter Parker is more important to the story than Spider-Man is. Not to mention that the movie franchise is set with him in high school and now shortly after. Marvel isn't going to have their flagship character knock up a girlfriend and I doubt they'd invest precious time in the third movie to a wedding. A spider-baby makes no sense and neither does killing off Peter Parker.

3) If you hope she doesn't die, then sign of for a 4th film! If you don't want to commit to a 4th film, then the franchise can only go one of two ways. Kill off your character, or replace you with a new actress to play MJ. And many agree that when you change actors in the middle of the series, it's not usually a popular move (see the Batman franchise).

4) Is it really "all about the love story"??? I will grant that the love story aspect of the films does play a part, but if it was all about the love story, then we'd be talking about "Some Kind of Wonderful" or "Titanic" rather than who will be the villians in SM3.

5) Get over yourself Kirsten. I hate to break it to you, but you're not that important to the series. If you don't sign on for a 4th film, it won't matter. All they'd have to do is kill you off and introduce Gwen Stacy and the Spider-Man franchise wouldn't miss a beat.

creep
10-02-2005, 09:26 PM
5) Get over yourself Kirsten. I hate to break it to you, but you're not that important to the series. If you don't sign on for a 4th film, it won't matter. All they'd have to do is kill you off and introduce Gwen Stacy and the Spider-Man franchise wouldn't miss a beat.

okay then, so why does her comments matter to you in the least?

jam1
10-02-2005, 09:34 PM
5) Get over yourself Kirsten. I hate to break it to you, but you're not that important to the series. If you don't sign on for a 4th film, it won't matter. All they'd have to do is kill you off and introduce Gwen Stacy and the Spider-Man franchise wouldn't miss a beat.

You're clearly clueless about the importance of Peter/MJ romance of the movies. It has brought Spider-Man plenty of female fans and killing off MJ would be a disastrous move, after a downer ending like that lots of fans wouldn't be returning to the theaters.

Mister Mets
10-02-2005, 09:50 PM
Here is her comments on whether MJ will die is Spider-Man 3...

Dunst:

"I don't think they should kill Mary Jane off. That would be pretty typical if they killed the girl at the end. Why doesn't the superhero ever die? That would be so and and beautiful. He's so human too. I think if Mary Jane was alone and pregnant and he died, she could give birth to a spider-baby and carry on the series with another young boy or something like that. I hope she doesn't die. I just think that's kind of an obvious way to go: 'We have to end it, so let's just kill her.' Mary Jane is a huge, important piece of this film, as it's all about the love story."


Okay, a couple of points I'd like to make.

1) Does Kirsten even know what the hell she's talking about? How is it typical that they kill off the love interest? I don't know of any superhero movies where the love interest is killed off. Maybe I'm missing something here, but killing off the superhero's love interest would be anything but typical.

2) Have a pregnant MJ give birth to a spider-baby? I hate to break it to you Dunst, but people love Spider-Man for PETER PARKER. In many ways, Peter Parker is more important to the story than Spider-Man is. Not to mention that the movie franchise is set with him in high school and now shortly after. Marvel isn't going to have their flagship character knock up a girlfriend and I doubt they'd invest precious time in the third movie to a wedding. A spider-baby makes no sense and neither does killing off Peter Parker.

3) If you hope she doesn't die, then sign of for a 4th film! If you don't want to commit to a 4th film, then the franchise can only go one of two ways. Kill off your character, or replace you with a new actress to play MJ. And many agree that when you change actors in the middle of the series, it's not usually a popular move (see the Batman franchise).

4) Is it really "all about the love story"??? I will grant that the love story aspect of the films does play a part, but if it was all about the love story, then we'd be talking about "Some Kind of Wonderful" or "Titanic" rather than who will be the villians in SM3.

5) Get over yourself Kirsten. I hate to break it to you, but you're not that important to the series. If you don't sign on for a 4th film, it won't matter. All they'd have to do is kill you off and introduce Gwen Stacy and the Spider-Man franchise wouldn't miss a beat.

1. "Superhero" love interests have died in Amazing Spider-Man #121-122, Daredevil #181, Daredevil Volume 2 #5, Uncanny X-Men #137, New X-Men #150, an issue of Knight Rider, twice on the show 24, NYPD Blue, a Green Lantern issue, the Punisher's origin, the Bourne Supremacy, the Matrix Revolutions, and many more places.

2. The spider-baby idea's probably Kirsten Dunst trying to make sure she'll still have a job when she's 40. On the other hand, it would be really cool to use the original cast of Spider-Man in a Spider-girl movie 20 or so years in the future.

3. The Bond movies have been a successful lisence, even when they switch actors. The 90s Batman movies made shitloads of money, and sucked for many reasons other than the change in actors. But you have a good point.

4. I think the love story aspect is one of the reasons for the incredible success of the Spider-Man movies, so she may be right about that.

5. That's actually an accurate statement.

Geardaddy
10-02-2005, 09:53 PM
1. "Superhero" love interests have died in Amazing Spider-Man #121-122, Daredevil #181, Daredevil Volume 2 #5, Uncanny X-Men #137, New X-Men #150, an issue of Knight Rider, twice on the show 24, NYPD Blue, a Green Lantern issue, the Punisher's origin, the Bourne Supremacy, the Matrix Revolutions, and many more places.



I'm talking in the movies. Obviously you are right when it comes to comics, but that's not what I was talking about.

creep
10-02-2005, 09:54 PM
You're clearly clueless about the importance of Peter/MJ romance of the movies. It has brought Spider-Man plenty of female fans and killing off MJ would be a disastrous move, after a downer ending like that lots of fans wouldn't be returning to the theaters.

I thought they just overplayed her role, not because she's important to the Spider-Man mythos but because, every movie now has to have a token romance subplot forced into it.

I actually thought she was kind of dull in the movies. I kept wishing Pete would just get over her sorry butt and start going after that cute chick from the Bugle. In fact, the more i think about it, the more down right loathsome she seems. Look at the way she treats her fiance, leading him on, right up to the point of dumping him at the alter without a second thought, while she's clearly hung up Peter the whole time. I don't even think she was really into Peter up until he rejected her at the end of the first movie, just wants what she can't have that one. Not to mention how she spurned poor Peter for having obligations that prevented him from meeting her every petty demand on him, like missing a showing of her play he could easily have caught on another night. Throughout the movies she mostly came across as a bit manipulative and completely self-involved.

Geardaddy
10-02-2005, 09:57 PM
okay then, so why does her comments matter to you in the least?

I guess I don't get your point here?

With my 5th point, I was simply saying that I think Dunst is a little too full of herself and her importance to the franchise. I do think MJ is an important character, and she does add some good elements to the story, but MJ could be elimintated from the series, and I don't think the franchise would miss a beat.

creep
10-02-2005, 10:00 PM
I guess I don't get your point here? What a very insightful repsonse. Thanks for sharing all your thoughts on this matter. :rolleyes:

With my 5th point, I was simply saying that I think Dunst is a little too full of herself and her importance to the franchise. I do think MJ is an important character, and she does add some good elements to the story, but MJ could be elimintated from the series, and I don't think the franchise would miss a beat.

Actually what i meant was, why are the comments of an actor, who has no real say in how the story turns out, even worth talking about at all?

Geardaddy
10-02-2005, 10:00 PM
You're clearly clueless about the importance of Peter/MJ romance of the movies. It has brought Spider-Man plenty of female fans and killing off MJ would be a disastrous move, after a downer ending like that lots of fans wouldn't be returning to the theaters.

I think you need to re-read #4. I did say that the romantic aspect does play a part in the movies, but I was commenting on Kirsten's comment that "itl's all about the love story."

Do you really agree with her on this?

Geardaddy
10-02-2005, 10:03 PM
Actually what i meant was, why are the comments of an actor, who has no real say in how the story turns out, even worth talking about at all?

Because this is a message board. It's kinda the point...

And I'm not trying to be flamitory, I just thought her comments in Wizard made her come off as full of herself and a little out of touch with the concept of Spider-Man.

chicainery
10-02-2005, 10:03 PM
I heart Kirsten

http://www23.thdo.bbc.co.uk/films/2004/06/30/images/kirsten_dunst_spider-man_2_interview_top.jpg

creep
10-02-2005, 10:11 PM
Because this is a message board. It's kinda the point...

And I'm not trying to be flamitory, I just thought her comments in Wizard made her come off as full of herself and a little out of touch with the concept of Spider-Man.

okay, but its been my experience that most people are out of touch with, whatever they happen to be talking about most of the time, and a little a full of themselves. If i questioned a random person off the street about their thoughts on the Peter/MJ relationship, i'd likely get something equally upsurd and off-base, so what makes her comments special?

I didn't mean to come off as hostile or anything, you're obviously free to talk about whatever you want.

Geardaddy
10-03-2005, 07:57 AM
okay, but its been my experience that most people are out of touch with, whatever they happen to be talking about most of the time, and a little a full of themselves. If i questioned a random person off the street about their thoughts on the Peter/MJ relationship, i'd likely get something equally upsurd and off-base, so what makes her comments special?

I didn't mean to come off as hostile or anything, you're obviously free to talk about whatever you want.


Nah, we're cool Creep. :)

I was just venting about Kirsten and what I feel to be her ignorance toward the Spider-Man mythos.

The Wayner
10-03-2005, 09:09 AM
I could care less about "I look high" Dunst. She's been serviceable in the first 2 films, and I'm sure she'll pull through fine in the 3rd. But, I'd be all for Gwen---or another love interest---at the drop of a hat.

Deadpool_Disassembled
10-03-2005, 12:16 PM
Guys lay off Geardaddy, he has a point! I like Miss Dunst too but Spider-baby?!?!?!? Why not through the clone saga in there too? Love story? hmm mmaybe but more people complained of this than loved it. Kill of Marvel's flaghsip hero? Yey! Let's lose sh*tloads of money for the 5 seconds of impact....no. Superhero's girl always dies???? In movies errr no ok DD is a giveaway but from there onwards I can't think of any. So, all due respect everyone and Kirsten but thats pure dribble.

Now to make sure Geardaddy is in the clear....Let's bring back the clone saga for the 5th movie...

Sean Whitmore
10-03-2005, 12:38 PM
I like Miss Dunst too but Spider-baby?!?!?!? Why not through the clone saga in there too? Love story? hmm mmaybe but more people complained of this than loved it. Kill of Marvel's flaghsip hero? Yey! Let's lose sh*tloads of money for the 5 seconds of impact....no.


All of which are perfect examples of why Dunst isn't writing, directing, or producing the films. Her opinions don't mean a whole lot more than a key grip's.


SEAN

estee
10-03-2005, 06:44 PM
Give Kirsten the benefit of the doubt, people. Obviously the woman doesn't read the book. Why should she?

Actually her idea has merit. Hell, I may even finally go see one of the Spider movies, just to see him get killed. ;)

Grant
10-03-2005, 10:24 PM
I think she was responding to a question about killing off her character. Which is pretty tactless if you ask me.

Whatever it's not like she's writing the script.

kramden
10-07-2005, 09:53 AM
Here is her comments on whether MJ will die is Spider-Man 3...

Dunst:

"I don't think they should kill Mary Jane off. That would be pretty typical if they killed the girl at the end. Why doesn't the superhero ever die? That would be so and and beautiful. He's so human too. I think if Mary Jane was alone and pregnant and he died, she could give birth to a spider-baby and carry on the series with another young boy or something like that. I hope she doesn't die. I just think that's kind of an obvious way to go: 'We have to end it, so let's just kill her.' Mary Jane is a huge, important piece of this film, as it's all about the love story."


Okay, a couple of points I'd like to make.

1) Does Kirsten even know what the hell she's talking about? How is it typical that they kill off the love interest? I don't know of any superhero movies where the love interest is killed off. Maybe I'm missing something here, but killing off the superhero's love interest would be anything but typical.

2) Have a pregnant MJ give birth to a spider-baby? I hate to break it to you Dunst, but people love Spider-Man for PETER PARKER. In many ways, Peter Parker is more important to the story than Spider-Man is. Not to mention that the movie franchise is set with him in high school and now shortly after. Marvel isn't going to have their flagship character knock up a girlfriend and I doubt they'd invest precious time in the third movie to a wedding. A spider-baby makes no sense and neither does killing off Peter Parker.

3) If you hope she doesn't die, then sign of for a 4th film! If you don't want to commit to a 4th film, then the franchise can only go one of two ways. Kill off your character, or replace you with a new actress to play MJ. And many agree that when you change actors in the middle of the series, it's not usually a popular move (see the Batman franchise).

4) Is it really "all about the love story"??? I will grant that the love story aspect of the films does play a part, but if it was all about the love story, then we'd be talking about "Some Kind of Wonderful" or "Titanic" rather than who will be the villians in SM3.

5) Get over yourself Kirsten. I hate to break it to you, but you're not that important to the series. If you don't sign on for a 4th film, it won't matter. All they'd have to do is kill you off and introduce Gwen Stacy and the Spider-Man franchise wouldn't miss a beat.

you need to get a job,or maybe you should get out more.

pennywisdom
10-07-2005, 10:08 AM
Does Kirsten even know what the hell she's talking about?
As a comic book fan? No. As an actress who wants to make a human interest story? Yes.

She's not a comic book fan, but she has certain ideas about what works and what doesn't. That's legitimate also.

Quite frankly, I'm BEYOND impressed that there is even ANY female take on a comic-to-film adaptation whatsoever. Do you realize how rarely comic-to-film adaptations merit a response from women? I think this might be the first time it's ever happened. Even Batman Begins, which is the best comic book movie made yet, won't garner a reaction from women.

There's something about the Spider-Man movies that women find endearing, so let them have their say, even if they know nothing about comics.

Geardaddy
10-07-2005, 12:53 PM
you need to get a job,or maybe you should get out more.


What an insightful response. Thanks for contributing to the conversation....troll.

:rolleyes:

Theophilus
10-07-2005, 02:21 PM
Actually what i meant was, why are the comments of an actor, who has no real say in how the story turns out, even worth talking about at all?

Maybe, in the words of Bruce Campbell's character, it's about 'maintaining the illusion'. All I mean here is it's a little discouraging to find out that an actor or actress hasn't really done their homework on a character with such a strong tradition and fanbase. It's not disastrous but it's helpful when you believe that everyone involved respects the history of Spider-Man and gets at least the basic idea. I understand not everyone grew up reading SM, but do some research and try to treat the audience like you care why they went to see the movie and why they love Spider-Man. And let's kill Spidey and give birth to a spider-baby is so far in left field I can't even imagine. Sony's got to be wishing they could keep her from doing interviews about Spider-Man.

Killing MJ would fit in with the theme of 'power and responsibility' more than Peter dying and having a spider-baby. It would a full circle thing--his uncle dies because he didn't do the right thing, and his girlfriend dies because he did. I'm not saying they should go that route, but it would have more emotional significance than Dunst's suggestion.

Grant
10-07-2005, 02:23 PM
As a comic book fan? No. As an actress who wants to make a human interest story? Yes.

She's not a comic book fan, but she has certain ideas about what works and what doesn't. That's legitimate also.

Quite frankly, I'm BEYOND impressed that there is even ANY female take on a comic-to-film adaptation whatsoever. Do you realize how rarely comic-to-film adaptations merit a response from women? I think this might be the first time it's ever happened. Even Batman Begins, which is the best comic book movie made yet, won't garner a reaction from women.

There's something about the Spider-Man movies that women find endearing, so let them have their say, even if they know nothing about comics.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Spider-Girl movie.

Smokeyjay
10-07-2005, 09:02 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing a Spider-Girl movie.


That would actually be cool. I think that after Spiderman 3 ends, they should go off on a completely different root. Part of the appeal of Spiderman was being a teenager and discovering that you had all these new cool powers.

It would be pretty predictable if in Spider-man 4, they decide to have Peter face off against the villain of the week again.

A Spider baby seems kind of stupid though. And I'm not sure how well the movie will do if Peter isn't the main character anymore. Would the general public even care?

Theophilus
10-07-2005, 09:21 PM
I don't think a Spider-Girl movie is a remote possibility. Hollywood projects take a lot of time and effort (not that comics don't, but you don't have to hire Special effects and the like) and they don't want to put so much money into a film that's likely to detract from the bigger and guaranteed cash cow. They could pass off Spider-Girl as an alternate reality, but for mainstream movie fans who aren't familiar with that sort of thing it would be too confusing.

Kirsten is confusing Tobey Maguire as Spider-Man with Jeff Goldblum as the Fly. Killing Pete off and having his child won't satisfy mainstream fans. It won't satisfy comic book fans. Marvel learned their lesson about unneccesary and potentially destructive creative risks with the clone saga--and you can't retcon movies very effectively! It seems pretty clear that Sam Raimi has the movies plotted out pretty far in advance anyhow. I think he's said six, right? It seems like he's moving toward something pretty definitive. Eddie was mentioned in the first and is showing up in 3. If I had to guess, I'd say the confrontation between Pete and Harry will not end with MJ's death, just because I don't think Sony would give the greenlight for fear of alienating fans unfamiliar with Gwen Stacy. Could be wrong.

Doesn't this interview contradict another one a while back where Kirsten said she would like to do a death scene with MJ?

I think Dunst and Maguire have good chemistry, and she is good for the franchise. It's probably better that she sees the romance as the most important aspect of the film, since she should be assuming MJ's perspective. But you have to admit that a lot of women seem to miss the bigger picture when it comes to Spidey--power and responsibility. The romance is effective in portraying how Peter deals with his strongest desires when they conflict with his purpose in life, but not essential. Still, it's so effective that I can't imagine the movie without it.

I have a feeling Kirsten is going to be the leak media reporters go to for their exclusives. No one else seems to let things slip quite so easily...

Gilda Dent
10-07-2005, 10:13 PM
The thing is, those of us who are current fans of the comic don't really matter when it comes to the movies. The movies are more about the idea of Spider-Man as he exists in the minds of the general public. They know the basics, and as long as they get that with a good story, they'll be satisfied.

Also, the Peter Mary Jane relationship is a core part of the comic, and has been for decades, much more so than any other character I know of. Splitting his commitment to Mary Jane with his duty to help people is one of the core elements of the story, that provides its dramatic tension. Realistically, we really need both of them around for the story to work.

Quite frankly, I'm BEYOND impressed that there is even ANY female take on a comic-to-film adaptation whatsoever. Do you realize how rarely comic-to-film adaptations merit a response from women? I think this might be the first time it's ever happened. Even Batman Begins, which is the best comic book movie made yet, won't garner a reaction from women.

There's something about the Spider-Man movies that women find endearing, so let them have their say, even if they know nothing about comics.

Thank you ever so much for allowing us an opinion on the subject of comics and movies. I'd barely even put Batman Begins in the top 10, let alone at #1, but then again, being a woman, I obviously know nothing about comics and certainly am not qualified to have a reaction to Batman Begins, so feel free to disregard this altogether.

Gilda

Theophilus
10-07-2005, 10:24 PM
The thing is, those of us who are current fans of the comic don't really matter when it comes to the movies. The movies are more about the idea of Spider-Man as he exists in the minds of the general public. They know the basics, and as long as they get that with a good story, they'll be satisfied.

Also, the Peter Mary Jane relationship is a core part of the comic, and has been for decades, much more so than any other character I know of. Splitting his commitment to Mary Jane with his duty to help people is one of the core elements of the story, that provides its dramatic tension. Realistically, we really need both of them around for the story to work.

Thank you ever so much for allow us an opinion on the subject of comics and movies. I'd barely even put Batman Begins in the top 10, let alone at #1, but then again, being a woman, I obviously know nothing about comics and certainly am not qualified to have a reactiion to Batman Begins, so feel free to disregard this altogether.
Gilda

Gilda, I hope you don't think I meant all girls miss the point with my earlier remark. I was referring more to the general impression that Spider-Man is a love story. It was popular long before love interests came into play, and the love story is a crucial dramatic element, but Peter could exist without MJ. Not saying I'd want that. But before Pete was working out his responsibility to MJ, he was balancing his role as a nephew and hero. But then at the time there were a lot of adolescent guys without girlfriends reading the comic, so the general appeal would definitely be diminished for lack of romantic love. I know it appeals to me as I balance the role of husband, father, and not hero but just an average worker.

Gilda Dent
10-07-2005, 10:41 PM
Gilda, I hope you don't think I meant all girls miss the point with my earlier remark. I was referring more to the general impression that Spider-Man is a love story. It was popular long before love interests came into play, and the love story is a crucial dramatic element, but Peter could exist without MJ. Not saying I'd want that. But before Pete was working out his responsibility to MJ, he was balancing his role as a nephew and hero. But then at the time there were a lot of adolescent guys without girlfriends reading the comic, so the general appeal would definitely be diminished for lack of romantic love. I know it appeals to me as I balance the role of husband, father, and not hero but just an average worker.

Yeah, I get that, and that's cool. I just think that the movies have a life separate from the comics. If you reread those early stories, it's pretty clear that Stan always intended Peter to have a girlfriend problem, first with Betty, then Gwen, with Mary Jane waiting in the wings as a back up. MJ has been a core part of the split responsibilities for quite some time.

I never inferred that you were saying girls miss the point with comics or movies; that last part was directed at someone else, who made some pretty condescending remarks about women, comics, and movies derived from them.

Gilda

pennywisdom
10-08-2005, 02:16 AM
Gilda - What I meant was that women who dont read comics have a response to the Spider-Man movies. There are very, very, very few women who read comics (I'm not saying this is a good thing, but it is a fact), so when I refer to women, I'm referring to the vast majority of women who would never touch a comic.

Doom Hammer
10-08-2005, 08:03 AM
What the hell, guys? Why is everyone giving Geardaddy a hard time?!

For what it's worth, Geardaddy, I agree with you. I'm not fond of Kirsten Dunst. I don't hate her or anything, but she is not an essential factor to the movies to ME personally. (Apparently she brings on a female crowd, so good for her, but I'm commenting on my own tastes.) Plus, this movie of the week type thing she did a long time ago ruined my opinion of her.

Her comments are kinda ridiculous, yes, and they deserve to be commented on. No, they don't have any real bearing on the movie, but its funny to see what someone "on the inside" thinks. Does she really think they could kill off Spider-Man and go on making movies about MJ and her son? That's funny! I mean, it was probably a spur-of-the-moment type comment, but it's still mildly hilarious.

Geez, guys. Lighten up and talk about it.

HumanTorch09
10-09-2005, 02:20 PM
Somebody doesn't like Kirsten Dunst too much....haha.
I don't think she knows what she's talking about half the time anyways, especially when it comes to comic books.

Avalanche
10-09-2005, 03:34 PM
Her comment made it seem like she doesn't even know the film is based on a comic... or is that just me? I'm sure she knows, but just the way she talks makes it seem that way.

Grant
10-09-2005, 03:37 PM
Her comment made it seem like she doesn't even know the film is based on a comic... or is that just me? I'm sure she knows, but just the way she talks makes it seem that way.

Sounds like she was just joking around and too many comic geeks are getting bent out of shape over it.

Theophilus
10-09-2005, 09:58 PM
Yeah, I get that, and that's cool. I just think that the movies have a life separate from the comics. If you reread those early stories, it's pretty clear that Stan always intended Peter to have a girlfriend problem, first with Betty, then Gwen, with Mary Jane waiting in the wings as a back up. MJ has been a core part of the split responsibilities for quite some time.Gilda

I agree. The movies do have a separate life. That's one reason I feel the Spider-Man movies have been so successful. They have incorporated the most important elements of the comic tradition but in a way that suits the differences necessary in style for a movie. There's always been two problems with comic book movies--writers and directors whose love for the genre blinds them to the inherent differences between comics and film, and writers and directors who don't care enough to make the translation recognizable. I mean, Green Lantern was once proposed to Warner Brothers as a vehicle for Eddie Murphy.

I don't mean to downplay the romance. It is an essential element of the comics and the film. That being said, it's all a matter of how best to use that tension. And having MJ die wouldn't belittle the significance of Pete and MJ's romance. It's only if the audience identifies with the romance and values it that her death would be meaningful instead of a crude and cruel appeal to sentiment.

Gilda Dent
10-11-2005, 08:30 PM
Gilda - What I meant was that women who dont read comics have a response to the Spider-Man movies. There are very, very, very few women who read comics (I'm not saying this is a good thing, but it is a fact), so when I refer to women, I'm referring to the vast majority of women who would never touch a comic.

Your qualifiers were missing from your original statement, but I see what you're getting at here. I would point out, thouhg, that the vast majority of men don't touch comic books either. A book that sells 100,000 is a hit, and is selling to less than one out of a thousand males in the US. The movies are a hit because they appeal to a wide variety of non-comic readers of both sexes. A movie that appeals to only comic fans is going to be dismal failure. To most fans of the Spider-Man movies, I'd guess that the movies themselves are the "real" Spider-Man, as opposed to the comics from the mainstream Marvel U.

Gilda

Deadpool_Disassembled
10-12-2005, 12:42 AM
Somebody doesn't like Kirsten Dunst too much....haha.
I don't think she knows what she's talking about half the time anyways, especially when it comes to comic books.

lol Finally someone out it in easy simple words for all the spammers and flamers to understand

Thrice
10-14-2005, 12:57 AM
DUDE WHY DID WE NOT THINK OF IT. A bunch of spider babies running around the marvel universe. My god imagine them using there organic webbing to throw there dirty diapers at doctor octapus children. Then aunt may can come out of the house and beat them with her walker because they are making too much noise. Am i the only one to see the beauty in this concept. IN fact i vote for Kirsten DUnst to write this comic. :D

Deadpool_Disassembled
10-14-2005, 10:06 AM
Hell at least that way Hawkeye might survive....;)