Hey Ontir! (or MonEl) -- question about the Legion spin-off book :the Wanderers

[bert]

over on another thread, I mentioned that the "Team Titans' book failed for the same reason that "the Wanderers" failed when spun off of Legion of Superheroes -- poor writing.

I have all the issues of the series, but it's been years since I've read them.

SuperECWfan was asking for more info about the series. .but the best I could come up with were that the Wanderers were spun off from the Heroes of Lallor, in the LSH's DC Futureverse.

can you fill in details for him?

bert

[Paul Newell]

over on another thread, I mentioned that the "Team Titans' book failed for the same reason that "the Wanderers" failed when spun off of Legion of Superheroes -- poor writing.

I have all the issues of the series, but it's been years since I've read them.

SuperECWfan was asking for more info about the series. .but the best I could come up with were that the Wanderers were spun off from the Heroes of Lallor, in the LSH's DC Futureverse.

can you fill in details for him?

bert
Nope, not the heroes of Lallor, they were a hero group in their own right. They first appeared in Adventure Comics #375, where they flew through the Nefar Nebula and temporarily turned evil. The Legion track them down and fought them until the effects wore off. After that would make the occasional cameo appearance. From what I remember they were given their own series as part of the Legion's 30th anniversary celebrations.

[Emerald Ghost]

It's like you're speaking another language. :D

[Paul Newell]

It's the Lore of the Legion!

[Emerald Ghost]

It's the Lore of the Legion!

I want to go to Alderaan with you, and learn the ways of the force like my father.

I must be a DC guru also. I love DC...and yet know so very little. I must train harder.

[Paul Newell]

Ah, young Padawan....The ways of the Pre-Crisis are through the Who's Who!

[Emerald Ghost]

Ah, young Padawan....The ways of the Pre-Crisis are through the Who's Who!

I'm not afraid.

[Zero Hunter]

I agree that it was bad writing that was the killer of the title. It started out pretty good with the mystery of who had killed them all and then cloned them, but after the first arc was over the book started falling fast. The ending was the worst though.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I agree that it was bad writing that was the killer of the title. It started out pretty good with the mystery of who had killed them all and then cloned them, but after the first arc was over the book started falling fast. The ending was the worst though.


What happened at the end ? Never read it and all.

[Ontir]

It's so nice to be sought out!

DC first solicited for the Wanderers series, with character re-designs by Steve Dillon, who was to do the art on the series. For whatever reason, the book took forever to finally be released, and when it was, Dillon wasn't the artist, in fact given what the book looked like, it could easily be said that there wasn't one. Add to that, the fact that Doug Moench who'd done so well with Marvel's Moon Knight, and was doing pretty well with Batman decided that he wasn't going to use the original, actual Wanderers, but clones of them. The world needs to understand this, once and for all. Clones are NEVER a good idea! Yes, it's an intriguing concpet, but they never, never, never work! Just look at the prime examples: Gwen Stacy, Spider-Man, that comic that was based upon an idea of Gene Roddenberry's, Reva Shayne on Guiding Light, they just don't work. On top of that, the person responsible for the Wanderers being cloned, was a renegade Controller called "Clonus." I always thought the idea of the name was daft. Naming someone for precisely what they do in the story, unless it's a code-name is kind of wierd. I'd also seen the Clonus Horror (It's the movie the Island ripped off the most.), and it was too obvious. Beyond that, what characterisation there was, was only half-done, and the book had such a negative overtone to it, that I just couldn't bare it anymore. I dropped the book after issue 3, I think. I don't recall any series, before or since, that was so wildly anticipated, yet disappointed so thoroughly, and died so quickly. I wish I could speak to specific plot-points, but that's all I recall of the train-wreck.

The Wanderers were indeed, another group, separate from the Heroes of Lallor, but like the HoL, they mainly showed up in group cameos @ Legion weddings.

[hondobrode]

Didn't that title spin out of the Millennium mini ?

I'm pretty hardcore LSH and was never interested in this book. It just reeked of drek, I'm afraid.

[Paul Newell]

What happened at the end ? Never read it and all.
They flew into a space warp and disappeared.

[Paul Newell]

Didn't that title spin out of the Millennium mini ?

I'm pretty hardcore LSH and was never interested in this book. It just reeked of drek, I'm afraid.
Nah, the 30th Anniversary of the Legion. They also released the Legion Who's Who and had a couple of Secret Origins issues around the same time.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

They flew into a space warp and disappeared.


LOL Judgin from what Ontir just laid down I can see why. I bet fans were celebrating thier demise. ;)

[Ontir]

Indeed! I think it's the only time I ever saw Legion fans cheering the cancellation of a "Legion" title.

[Calybos]

Not necessarily; a lot of folks were unhappy with the Five-Year Crap... err, Gap.

[Ontir]

As I've said many, many times: If it weren't for the great work Kieth Giffen did with "the Gap," I wouldn't be reading comics today. The Legion desperately needed a kick in the pants, which he gave it, while sticking adamantly to established Legion continuity. It was such a great book, that I still can't believe DC blew it the way they did after Giffen was driven off.

[Converge]

I like the new legion.

i never read the old legion.

what i like most about mark waid's new legion is the "kids vs government," "anti-establishment" theme. i like the 1984-esque, Big Brother world they live in.

legion lore gurus: was that a factor in the old legion? was there a "kids against society" theme?

[Paul Newell]

Nothing like the current Legion's theme. The Gap Legion would be closest with the Dominators secretly taking over Earthgov and hounding the Legion, but it was a Legion that was in their mid thirties by that point.