most hated X-men

[Nobbel]

There has been a lot of taalk about the most hated X-Men ever, but no-one agreed on which was hated most.

So I dicided it's time for a poll omn this.

I took the X-Men who were mentioned many times by people who hate them.

Which of these do you hate most?

You do not have to repeat your choise in this tread, only tell by: 'others....' who you mean, thanx!

[Twigglet]

GAMBIT! Gotta be my most hated character ever!

[Tommy]

I think it depends. On the internet people pretty consistantly hate Gambit, Wolverine, and Emma Frost. I am not sure how many hundreds of posts I have seen about how much those three suck.

I think amongst the general public those are the three most popular charectors, and probibly Stacy X, Maggot or Marrow is the most hated.

Personaly I hate Wolverine so much it burns.

[Bart Simpson]

I think it depends. On the internet people pretty consistantly hate Gambit, Wolverine, and Emma Frost. I am not sure how many hundreds of posts I have seen about how much those three suck.

I think amongst the general public those are the three most popular charectors, and probibly Stacy X, Maggot or Marrow is the most hated.

Personaly I hate Wolverine so much it burns.e

Wolverine I can see, maybe even Gambit. But Emma is hardly even known to the general public.

I don't see a heavy demand for her anywhere...Marvel just loves to shove her in books regardless. Same with X-23. They are trying to decide what is popular doesn't mean they are. Even X-23 is getting a Marvel Legends over many many worthy characters. Heck I'd rather have a nimbo Psylocke than X-23.

My personal hated is Emma--she's way overexposed for what she is. Reminds me of the bad girl craze that his prebubescent boys in the early 90's with Shi, Lady death, etc.
Followed by Rachel. X-23.

[Flight]

The Iceman Wineth.

[Atomic Mongoose]

Definitely not a member of the Wolverine Fan Club.

[Tommy]

Wolverine I can see, maybe even Gambit. But Emma is hardly even known to the general public.
Well the general comic book buying public. The kind that pick up trades and nothing else. Most people that like to read comics but don't follow the X-men closly like her and think she is interesting. And they do not particularly mind her being in multipal books since they might pick up a trade a month rather than ten or so individual books. So she has a presence but is not all over the place. The same thing happens to Wolverine.

[Bart Simpson]

Well the general comic book buying public. The kind that pick up trades and nothing else. Most people that like to read comics but don't follow the X-men closly like her and think she is interesting. And they do not particularly mind her being in multipal books since they might pick up a trade a month rather than ten or so individual books. So she has a presence but is not all over the place. The same thing happens to Wolverine.


I found her remotely interesting when she first appeared in New X-Men, but has since gone down the drain after she became Morrison's mouth piece and personal Mary Sue. And then she became way over exposed and became a caricature of a character used to insert conflict to forward other characters and insert supposedly "witty" lines. I guess I'm just tired of it everywhere I look from the x-titles to New Avengers to house of M.

[fishtaco]

Stacy-X was awful.

[TinMan]

Stacy X easily. Her powers were interesting but nothing that is truly an asset to the X-Men. But her whole personallity sucked and not to mention that she was a friggin hooker, I mean seriously Marvel, you want kids to read stories about a pleasure giving hooker?

[Terra14Jenna14]

Stacy X sucks big time.

[Flameworthy]

Only one! Let's see, I'd probably go with a toss up of either Marvel Girl or Cable.

[Terra14Jenna14]

Stacy wuz a very bad addition to the team, not to mention that she was a ho, slut, bitch & a hooker.

[Bart Simpson]

Stacy wuz a very bad addition to the team, not to mention that she was a ho, slut, bitch & a hooker.

Lol...About 3/4 of those things you described can be said of Emma too. How very interesting... :evilsmile

Is this because Stacey X looked reptilian and didn't look like your run of the mill impant enhanced blonde? :D I wonder...

[Terra14Jenna14]

Yeah. Its soooo true.

[LoneWolf21]

Remember how Stacy had a No touching rule? No, I guess not. Is there anyindication that Emma slept around? Not that I can think off the top of my head.

Re: Emma appearing a lot. Xavier's MIA, Jean's dead (again. For now), Rachel's power and experience level seem to fluctuate, Cable has, I believe, shutr off the majority of his telepatic powers, Psylocke just has telekinesis now. What other telepath are people gonna come to that has the power and experience Emma has?

[Nobbel]

Stacy wuz a very bad addition to the team, not to mention that she was a ho, slut, bitch & a hooker.

Please check the posting rules, it says:
2. PROFANITY
Don't use profanity. In addition, I would REALLY appreciate it if people made it a point to avoid referring to women (fictional or not) as "skanks" or "whores" or "hos."

[TJ Shoun]

Gambit

no question

[xakko]

I don't hate her, because generating that much emotion over a fictional character is just silly, but count me with those who dislike Emma Frost as she is currently being written. I don't like her with Cyclops. I don't like her being co-headmaster. I don't like her in a leadership position, because she's consistantly shown herself to be a poor leader. For someone who hasn't changed her personality, she was rather quickly accepted as a full X-man. At least Rogue went from being a mean, vicious villain to being a scared young woman seeking help. And Juggernaut has definitely had a noticable change of heart. The only difference between Emma now and the White Queen is that she doesn't blow up her lackeys if they fail.

[fishtaco]

Lol...About 3/4 of those things you described can be said of Emma too. How very interesting... :evilsmile

Is this because Stacey X looked reptilian and didn't look like your run of the mill impant enhanced blonde? :D I wonder...True, but one of my favorite villains is Emma Frost, White Queen of the Hellfire Club's Inner Circle. If Stacy-X didnt exist, Emma would definitely be the one I would have named as the worst X-Man.

[Gingold]

How can you do that poll w/o Gambit and Cable as options? Toin coss between those two.

[The Shadow]

other: JEAN GREY

THE single most boring character in the Marvel U... upstaged ONLY (and just barely) by Barry Allen in the DCU.

Her one moment of glory was when she went crazy and became Phoenix and died. Which would have been great had it been left there.
It was the best thing she ever did as far as characterization went... but it ended up sucking for us comic readers because the only way she is used anymore is when she's whining about Scott or she's died and is making yet ANOTHER comeback.

Leave her dead.
'Nuff said... and even that is too much wasted space on Jean.

[Bart Simpson]

True, but one of my favorite villains is Emma Frost, White Queen of the Hellfire Club's Inner Circle. If Stacy-X didnt exist, Emma would definitely be the one I would have named as the worst X-Man.

Lol. Yeah Emma was actually tolerable as a villian because she didn't seem quite so one note. Now she's about as fun and fresh as cleaning your eyes out with a fork.

While I do agree Stacey X is worst, they have their similarities and Emma is my pick for worst active X-Man since she's overused/exposed as well.

[Avalanche]

Stacy X gets my vote... A ridiculous character with ridiculous powers. She wasn't interesting in any way.

[Valmore]

How can you do that poll w/o Gambit and Cable as options? Toin coss between those two.

Because, seriously, for every evil, soulless "Gambit Hater" there's about 5 people who like Gambit. Much like for every "Wolverine Hater" there's about 10 people who like Wolverine.

[Callie]

I have no soul. :p

[Tommy]

I don't like her being co-headmaster. I don't like her in a leadership position, because she's consistantly shown herself to be a poor leader. For someone who hasn't changed her personality, she was rather quickly accepted as a full X-man.
Actualy she has been a hero since 1994 only becoming a full time X-man in 2001. Eight years is a little bit longer than "rather quickly." And she has for her whole incarnation been a teacher. When Xavier shut the school down he sent all the little kiddies to Emma Frost's Generation X. It actualy makes sense to have her as Headmistress considering she is the only person there who has an actual Teaching Degree. And lets just face it she is quite simmilar to Moonstone in the Thunderbolts. She is a pragmatic and practical leader who sees a vacume of power and fills it. Havok is suposed to be the leader of the X-men squad and yet somehow it allways comes off as Emma leading it. Quite an interesting psycological drama.

[xakko]

Because, seriously, for every evil, soulless "Gambit Hater" there's about 5 people who like Gambit. Much like for every "Wolverine Hater" there's about 10 people who like Wolverine.
Gee, I don't particularly like Gambit because they tried to hard to make him "cool". He's a reluctant hero, almost anti-hero, and was cloaked in mystery for much of his existence. He was shown kicking Wolverine's butt to establish his credibility early on. He is anti-authoritarian, does things "his own way" and isn't a team player. Basically he's just a tall, handsome version of Wolverine. And that, I can do without. Guess I have no soul either.

[Gingold]

Because, seriously, for every evil, soulless "Gambit Hater" there's about 5 people who like Gambit. Much like for every "Wolverine Hater" there's about 10 people who like Wolverine.

Apples and oranges. Wolverine is cool. Just really really overexposed. But Gambit...sweet Jesus, he wears pink and carries a stick, and he's still not cool.

[Avalanche]

How can you do that poll w/o Gambit and Cable as options? Toin coss between those two.
If you think those are the worst X characters... you haven't been exposed to enough.

[Bart Simpson]

Actualy she has been a hero since 1994 only becoming a full time X-man in 2001. Eight years is a little bit longer than "rather quickly." And she has for her whole incarnation been a teacher. When Xavier shut the school down he sent all the little kiddies to Emma Frost's Generation X. It actualy makes sense to have her as Headmistress considering she is the only person there who has an actual Teaching Degree. And lets just face it she is quite simmilar to Moonstone in the Thunderbolts. She is a pragmatic and practical leader who sees a vacume of power and fills it. Havok is suposed to be the leader of the X-men squad and yet somehow it allways comes off as Emma leading it. Quite an interesting psycological drama.

I agree with Xakko.

I'd like to know where Emma got her "teaching" degree from since her methods of teaching her students are less than satisfactory or correct. And even if she did get a teaching degree doesn't mean that she's effective. It's about as trust worthy as when she said she's a qualified sex therapist or that she was 27 years old. :rolleyes:

There are bad teachers out there, and judging from Gen X to the Hellions her tactics have always been highly questionable. Even with the Cuckoos she tried her best to mold them into little clones of her. That's not what a true leader or a teacher does. In fact she was "most proud" of the Cuckoo that betrayed the rest of the group, the X-Men, and was hell bent on world domination. Yeah, I'd want my kids going to Emma's school.
She failed with the Hellions, caused lots of damage to gen X because of her shady connections. Some say she should be forgiven. Yeah tell that to the kids who died.
Further, her failure is an ongoing thing because this woman is about as dense as diamond since she doesn't learn from her mistakes...ever.
After causing the Cuckoos to stupidly act heroic and get one of themselves killed, she repeats the same process over again and tries to make Angel Salvadore into her image. That fact alone shows that she never ever learns.

This is one of the reasons I dislike Emma's character aside from the one note "insert conflict and gratting dialogue" that has been on repeat since Morrison made her his personal Mary Sue. He had her shack up with the x-men's leader, tried to sway sympathy towards her when she was the one that started and continued an affair because poor pwetty lil Emma fell in love, she got all the one liners, was his personal mouth piece, and was a representation of Morrison's then girlfriend. It's about as Mary Sue as you can get. And throw in the fact that Grant Morrison had to write off other POTENTIALLY GREAT headmasters like Hank by showing a story where the future will go to hell if Beast takes over, and Emma and Cyke didn't shack up with eachother only makes her more of the Mary Sue.

She could stay and x-man or go to limbo, it doesn't matter to me. Just as long as she's not the headmistress. She doesn't deserve that role.

Oh and keep her away from other x-titles and far away from Havok.

Down with Emma "Mary Sue" Frost.

[Dan Apodaca]

I mean seriously Marvel, you want kids to read stories about a pleasure giving hooker?

Yeah, 'cause we all know how many kids are reading X-Men.

[Gingold]

If you think those are the worst X characters... you haven't been exposed to enough.

I definitely agree that Lifeguard, Slipstream, Maggot, Shatterstar, Revanche, Thunderbird III and the rest totally suck. But Gambit and Cable are actually major and important characters in the x-Franchise. They have their own solo titles. They have played significant roles in big storylines. You can completely ignore all those other losers. But Cable and Gambit are forever attached to the books. And they suck. :)

[Tommy]

I'd like to know where Emma got her "teaching" degree from since her methods of teaching her students are less than satisfactory or correct.
She got it from Empire State University.

There are bad teachers out there, and judging from Gen X to the Hellions her tactics have always been highly questionable. Even with the Cuckoos she tried her best to mold them into little clones of her. That's not what a true leader or a teacher does. In fact she was "most proud" of the Cuckoo that betrayed the rest of the group, the X-Men, and was hell bent on world domination. Yeah, I'd want my kids going to Emma's school.

Whether or not she is a good or bad teacher means nothing considering that she is the only teacher at the Xavier institute. For a College/High School to employ only a single person with a degree in Education is really rather bad. But the fact is she is by far the best qualified to be headmistress.

As far as the Cookoos are concerned they never once seemed to be anything besides clones of hers. Esme was the sole one who struck out on her own and showed real promise as a leader. And in the end she fought against Xorneto. Plenty to be proud of compaired to the other three who cowered in a closet. She might not have been the most moral but she was certainly the bravist and most adept.

She failed with the Hellions, caused lots of damage to gen X because of her shady connections. Some say she should be forgiven. Yeah tell that to the kids who died.

Being attacked by teleporting Sentinals when she was the first to be hit does not really count as her fault.

Further, her failure is an ongoing thing because this woman is about as dense as diamond since she doesn't learn from her mistakes...ever.
After causing the Cuckoos to stupidly act heroic and get one of themselves killed, she repeats the same process over again and tries to make Angel Salvadore into her image. That fact alone shows that she never ever learns.

I really do not see how taking a student out and buying them stuff (something she does a lot) can be considered making a clone.

And the death of Sophie was not her fualt since Esme was the one who controled her to do it all along.

He had her shack up with the x-men's leader, tried to sway sympathy towards her when she was the one that started and continued an affair

Actualy Scott started it. He came to her for help and it is not particularly surprising that she found a lot of repressed sexual impulses.

She could stay and x-man or go to limbo, it doesn't matter to me. Just as long as she's not the headmistress. She doesn't deserve that role.

She is the only one who has any training so she is the only one who DOES deserve that role. the list of Qualified people is effectively zero. I do not think even Xavier is really qualified to run a school.

[Bart Simpson]

Whether or not she is a good or bad teacher means nothing considering that she is the only teacher at the Xavier institute. For a College/High School to employ only a single person with a degree in Education is really rather bad. But the fact is she is by far the best qualified to be headmistress.

As far as the Cookoos are concerned they never once seemed to be anything besides clones of hers. Esme was the sole one who struck out on her own and showed real promise as a leader. And in the end she fought against Xorneto. Plenty to be proud of compaired to the other three who cowered in a closet. She might not have been the most moral but she was certainly the bravist and most adept.


No she is not the only person who could teach. Hank, I'm sure has a PHd. And they're all teaching classes themselves. And they all seem to be doing fine. Just because Emma had to go to school to learn how to teach, and she still is horrible doesn't disqualify the abilities of the others.

What you fail to comment on is that she purposely taught them immoralistic things. And molded them in her image on purpose. She has some sort of complex. Esme struck out on her own because of Emma. And Emma was most proud of her for what she did: BETRAY her sisters and betray the team. Marrow was quite adept with her powers when she slaughtered all those people at the night club and she was quite brave to do so. Doesn't mean it's RIGHT or something to be proud of.

Being attacked by teleporting Sentinals when she was the first to be hit does not really count as her fault.

It might have been not directly her fault but she is to blame. She kept the Hellions around because of personal selfish reasons. And they got killed because of her shady interminglings with an SM club known as Hellfire. She holds responsibility just as any leader or headmistress should if their younger charges are killed under their watch.

If someone took bunch of boy scouts into the wilderness and a bear attacked knowing full well that the area is infested with wild bears, that person would be somewhat to blame. Same with Emma..she kept her charges around a questionable and quite dangerous environment. They were basically her henchmen. Hardly a good teacher or leader.

I really do not see how taking a student out and buying them stuff (something she does a lot) can be considered making a clone.

And the death of Sophie was not her fualt since Esme was the one who controled her to do it all along.

Emma seems to have control issues. She didn't give a crap about Angel before, and was basically on the rebound after her students said they hated her. She then wanted Angel to be like her and take her under her wing. A good teacher would care for all her students equally, not just the ones she needs to make into her self image.

It might not have been directly her fault but once again she was partially to blame as is some of the other X-Men. But Wolverine and Jean warned that it could be a phase and Quentin was trying to find an indentity, which ended up being the case. If they had heeded Jean and Logan's words and investigated the whole thing, even just talking to the poor kid things might very well had a very different ending without Quentin or Esme's death. The whole thing could have been avoided. Instead as acting headmistress, instead of worrying about human mutant relations, or seeing the inherently HUMAN problems in her kids, she was too busy actively seducing a married man.


Actualy Scott started it. He came to her for help and it is not particularly surprising that she found a lot of repressed sexual impulses.

She started it. While on a mission no less, she carries wine over and specifically asks Scott if he would stop being celibate. Even if Scott came to her for help, who does she think she is to exploit her fellow team mate's emotional state and repression. If it was to get back at Jean, that is really low handed.
And she is the one that continued it. Cyclops told her what they were doing was wrong, but she tried to blow it off as its only thoughts. Yet being a telepath she knows full well that it's not "just thoughts". Telepaths make feelings, emotions, and thoughts just as real as if they were happening in real life. She even had the audacity to try and dress up as Jean to continue exploiting Scott's fragile emotional state.

damn, I wish all our teachers and principals behaved like her. We'd be in a utopia! End Sarcasm.

She is the only one who has any training so she is the only one who DOES deserve that role. the list of Qualified people is effectively zero. I do not think even Xavier is really qualified to run a school.

I beg to differ. Hank, Warren even Iceman all have degrees and have worked with kids before in X-Factor. They helped train Artie, Leech, Skids, Rictor, etc. Xavier didn't have a teaching degree and he taught all of the current X-Men. A degree is only as good as the person using it in PRACTICE. And Emma has shown that she's no better than Beast or Storm or several of the other senior X-Men.
Once again, just because she has a degree in teaching, BASED on her track record alone, she is a bad influence on the kids that she teaches, is questionable in what she teaches them, and is totally not the right temperment for being headmistress. We see more of her as headmistress sitting there berating her teammates or in bed with Scott than doing anything worthwhile for the cause.
Heck, Jean was headmistress for about 2 arcs and she forwarded the mutant/human relations while Emma had an emotional outburst and only managed to show the world how mutants CAN be dangerous. Jean had to do damage control. Jean also helped Xavier found the x-corps for mutants every where because there are more important things to be worried about. Emma doesn't seem to think so as she just does what furthers her own goals and personal gain.

That's why she shouldn't be head of the X-Men. Teacher fine, but not the person who represents them.
And I love how all these X-Men have no qualms about it.
Only Kitty seems to even question her, and I love her for it.

[Doom Hammer]

Aye cannae stan' Slipstream!

"My powerzzz, like, remind me of surfing and junk. I, like, really like surfing and junk. It is wicked cool. Wicked pisser. Totally rad. 'Scuse me, I'm gonna go abandon the last remnant of my family 'cuz she is uuuuuugly. Oh, yeah, I'm a right little bastard in the future, too."

And yes, that is a direct quote. :p

[LoneWolf21]

The only difference between Emma now and the White Queen is that she doesn't blow up her lackeys if they fail.

That's it, I'm sending you the entire run of Generation X. Somehow, someway. Same with Bart.

[Valmore]

Apples and oranges. Wolverine is cool. Just really really overexposed. But Gambit...sweet Jesus, he wears pink and carries a stick, and he's still not cool.

Actually, it was fuschia - because he's that much of an awesome thief, he can wear fuschia and still steal everything. You soulless abomination. :p

[xakko]

That's it, I'm sending you the entire run of Generation X. Somehow, someway. Same with Bart.
Heh, I appreciate the thought. But I have some issues of the series, and I didn't care for her there either. My point is that her mannerisms- aside from the sadistic streak that manifested as murder- are still the same from her days in the Hellfire Club.

[Tommy]

No she is not the only person who could teach. Hank, I'm sure has a PHd. And they're all teaching classes themselves. And they all seem to be doing fine. Just because Emma had to go to school to learn how to teach, and she still is horrible doesn't disqualify the abilities of the others.
What is Beast's PhD in? The fact that he has it merely means he can be a college professor. He should not be teaching High School students with out any training. I am personally amazed the Xavier institute can even be an accredited university considering that no one seems to have anything approaching qualifications to be teaching there.

It might have been not directly her fault but she is to blame. She kept the Hellions around because of personal selfish reasons. And they got killed because of her shady interminglings with an SM club known as Hellfire. She holds responsibility just as any leader or headmistress should if their younger charges are killed under their watch.

At the time it happened she was having a meeting with the X-men about the Upstarts. So she was attempting to protect them.

If someone took bunch of boy scouts into the wilderness and a bear attacked knowing full well that the area is infested with wild bears, that person would be somewhat to blame. Same with Emma..she kept her charges around a questionable and quite dangerous environment. They were basically her henchmen. Hardly a good teacher or leader.
Xavier sent five teenagers out to fight highly dangerous villains all the time. The first team of X-men were in the hospital almost weekly. The Hellions were actually probably safer under Emma's care than that first team.

Emma seems to have control issues. She didn't give a crap about Angel before, and was basically on the rebound after her students said they hated her. She then wanted Angel to be like her and take her under her wing. A good teacher would care for all her students equally, not just the ones she needs to make into her self image.

Angel came to her for help with her pregnancy. Emma took her shopping and bought her some nice clothes. I do not see any attempt to do much more than comfort her through a complicated time.

who does she think she is to exploit her fellow team mate's emotional state and repression. If it was to get back at Jean, that is really low handed.

Scott's emotional state and repression were killing his marriage anyways. Hell prior to Emma hitting on Scott or vies versa, Jean was hitting on Logan.

The two of them had fallen apart already and getting Scott to stop being repressed was the only way they could have possibly gotten back together.


I beg to differ. Hank, Warren even Iceman all have degrees and have worked with kids before in X-Factor. They helped train Artie, Leech, Skids, Rictor, etc. Xavier didn't have a teaching degree and he taught all of the current X-Men. A degree is only as good as the person using it in PRACTICE. And Emma has shown that she's no better than Beast or Storm or several of the other senior X-Men.
They work for a school. Hank, Warren, and Iceman have no qualifications to be in front of a class room of high school students. Having a degree in what ever means nothing. To work in education you have to be state certified and I have seen nothing to indicate any of them are. To be the actual person in charge of a University/High School you should have at least some degree relating to the field of Education. I find it hard to believe that parents would send their children off to a school that is being run by people with no qualifications. Nor do I believe that the State would accredit the Xavier Institute when there is no one who is qualified to run it.

Warren might be qualified to teach kids to fly, but he is certianly not to teach them Math. Nor is anyone else there except Emma.

That's why she shouldn't be head of the X-Men. Teacher fine, but not the person who represents them.
And I love how all these X-Men have no qualms about it.
Only Kitty seems to even question her, and I love her for it.
The person who represents them is a wealthy business woman from one of the most distinguished families in America. She has no criminal record. Her mere presence adds an air of credibility to the team as far as the public is concerned.

[Bart Simpson]

What is Beast's PhD in? The fact that he has it merely means he can be a college professor. He should not be teaching High School students with out any training. I am personally amazed the Xavier institute can even be an accredited university considering that no one seems to have anything approaching qualifications to be teaching there.

You've got to be kidding right? At least Beast would be good with his students. Just because Emma has a so called degree doesn't mean that everything else in her life makes her an ideal teacher or mentor. Her very morals and behavior amongst the team and against her fellow teammates alone shows that she shouldn't be anywhere near impressionable teens. She's a bad influence.
She supposedly has qualifications for a being a sex therapist too, but I don't see many world reknowned therapists that remain credible and respectable after having an affair with their married patient.

At the time it happened she was having a meeting with the X-men about the Upstarts. So she was attempting to protect them.

Far little and far too late. If she wanted to protect them and keep them from such tainted dealings like the Hellfire Club and really had there best interest in mind, instead of hers, she wouldn't have exposed them to that stuff in the first place nor treated some of them the way she did. Look at how she tried to recruit and "teach" Firestar.

Xavier sent five teenagers out to fight highly dangerous villains all the time. The first team of X-men were in the hospital almost weekly. The Hellions were actually probably safer under Emma's care than that first team.

Xavier has always been more moral than Emma. He didn't teach his students to callously use their powers nor did he use them for own personal power or gain.

Angel came to her for help with her pregnancy. Emma took her shopping and bought her some nice clothes. I do not see any attempt to do much more than comfort her through a complicated time.

Emma called Angel "her new pet project". Doesn't sound like she was helping out just for a bid to be the next Mother Theresa.

Scott's emotional state and repression were killing his marriage anyways. Hell prior to Emma hitting on Scott or vies versa, Jean was hitting on Logan.

The two of them had fallen apart already and getting Scott to stop being repressed was the only way they could have possibly gotten back together.

Anyways? So that makes it ok? I admit, Jean was wrong for whatever it was that happened in the woods...but at least her and Logan stopped. Scott was acting cold and very distant towards her. Jean a person who is ruled often by her emotions and innate empathy with others must have felt horrible that her own husband was acting this way. She felt cold and lonely, and naturally she reached out to someone she felt a connection with.
It's a completely different intention and situation than Emma who did it for whatever myriad of reasons whether it be to get back at Jean, a bid for power, just for kicks, what have you. They aren't intentions of a true heroine..or someone the kids should look up to or be a representatve of the school.
Emma knew it was wrong, exploited Scott's fragile state, and did everything she could to seduce him and continue the affair. There's a huge difference here. How does it make it any better or excuses it for Emma to make a situation worse, even if they were falling apart?

They work for a school. Hank, Warren, and Iceman have no qualifications to be in front of a class room of high school students. Having a degree in what ever means nothing. To work in education you have to be state certified and I have seen nothing to indicate any of them are. To be the actual person in charge of a University/High School you should have at least some degree relating to the field of Education. I find it hard to believe that parents would send their children off to a school that is being run by people with no qualifications. Nor do I believe that the State would accredit the Xavier Institute when there is no one who is qualified to run it.

Warren might be qualified to teach kids to fly, but he is certianly not to teach them Math. Nor is anyone else there except Emma


Once again you're really stuck on Emma's teaching degree. Whether that is true or not isn't important. The fact is she hasn't shown she could teach the students any better than any of the current X-Men. If anything she often rubs her own shady morals into her students. The whole point of Xaviers is to teach them how to use their powers, control them, and temper it with morals. If she can't teach her students without her elitist views getting in the way than she needs to step down.

The person who represents them is a wealthy business woman from one of the most distinguished families in America. She has no criminal record. Her mere presence adds an air of credibility to the team as far as the public is concerned.

Who many members barely tolerate and some even down right hate her. She doesn't have the respect and I doubt if Scott wasn't there, she'd have as much say as she does. She would have had quite a beating from Storm, Kitty, Rachel enough as it is.
She has no criminal record, yeah right... we all know she's killed for fun and games in the past, orchestrated a premediatative murder on 2 humans in a bid for power, used her "students" as her own little team of henchmen to kidnap and attack others in a bid for more power.

On top of that she's a self admitted adultress.
Plus she often dresses with, putting it lightly, little class or taste. If you are so hung up on credentials, you should be at least bringing up that her choice of attire is neither professional or appropriate for her job. You can have all the degrees you want, but if your high school teacher dressed and acted like she did, she would be fired lickety split.

That's why it's so bothersome and disturbing that someone like Emma, despite her "degree" is teaching students and representing the X-Men. It's shameful.

Plus given the recent revelations in Astonishing she either is back to her old Hellfire Club ways or she's mentally dellusional and therefore unsound to be a teacher, much less a headmistress.

[someone777]

Like it matters now. I've been looking been looking through some covers after HOM, And Emma is nowhere to be seen. She not even next to Scot anymore. It's like she just gone. And now it seems that Storm is the new co-headmaster of the school. She just vanish. Thank God! :evilsmile

[streator]

i voted for tb3, not seeing all of the other choices.

by far, and by all means, jubilee is my least favorite x-man/x-character ever.
reasons i dislike her have been posted elsewhere.

tb3 is a close 2nd or even 3rd.

i dislike them both, regardless.

[Fabian]

Because, seriously, for every evil, soulless "Gambit Hater" there's about 5 people who like Gambit.
You know it. Never question the popularity of the Cajun until you go to an x-men panel of any medium and they ask for what the fans want and the overwhelming repsonse is Gambit.

But Gambit...sweet Jesus, he wears pink and carries a stick, and he's still not cool.
He wears pink, a ridiculous costume and still manages to be popular. Can you imagine if he didn't wear that?

[Tommy]

You've got to be kidding right? At least Beast would be good with his students. Just because Emma has a so called degree doesn't mean that everything else in her life makes her an ideal teacher or mentor. Her very morals and behavior amongst the team and against her fellow teammates alone shows that she shouldn't be anywhere near impressionable teens. She's a bad influence.

No state cirtification board is going to look at Beast and okay him for teaching English. Just like no one is going to say okay to half if not all the people teaching at Xavier's. Unless someone is in charge who actualy knows what she is doing. Beast, nor anyone else is up to the administrative taskes. Scott could probibly handle some of the more matiniance functions but not the upper level administration. Add to that the entier staff is entierly unqaulified to be doing what they are doing. Regardless of if she is a bad influnce she is the only one who they can legitimitly claim is capable of doing her job.

Xavier has always been more moral than Emma. He didn't teach his students to callously use their powers nor did he use them for own personal power or gain.

Xavier totaly erased someone's mind in front of the first students several times. They might not have been using them for personal power or gain but they certainly were not tought restraint.

Emma called Angel "her new pet project". Doesn't sound like she was helping out just for a bid to be the next Mother Theresa.

Angel came to her not the other way around.

She felt cold and lonely, and naturally she reached out to someone she felt a connection with.

At no point in New X-men did Jean feel cold and lonely. Jean was rapidly becoming cosmic, hopping around the planet with Xavier, and in general ignoring Scott. She had moved past him. More or less past everyone and that was driving Scott away.

Once again you're really stuck on Emma's teaching degree. Whether that is true or not isn't important. The fact is she hasn't shown she could teach the students any better than any of the current X-Men. If anything she often rubs her own shady morals into her students. The whole point of Xaviers is to teach them how to use their powers, control them, and temper it with morals. If she can't teach her students without her elitist views getting in the way than she needs to step down.
Yes, becouse the kids in Gen X were elitist and had shady morals. And they were not tought well.

The reason I am stuck on the teaching degree is becouse no one else HAS ONE. There fore she is the only one qualified to hold the position she has. She is the only person there that could possibly allow the Xavier Institute to have any credibility as a school.

I doubt if Scott wasn't there, she'd have as much say as she does. She would have had quite a beating from Storm, Kitty, Rachel enough as it is.
Probibly she would have more. In the absence of Scott, Jean and the Professor she would clearly be the only one with any idea how to run a school. Scott and Jean only get a pass becouse they were more involved with the Professor on the administration side of things.

She has no criminal record, yeah right... we all know she's killed for fun and games in the past, orchestrated a premediatative murder on 2 humans in a bid for power, used her "students" as her own little team of henchmen to kidnap and attack others in a bid for more power.
The two humans were funding the Sentinal Program. Wolverine would have killed them. And she has done nothing that the general Marvel public knows about. Considering the team has Rogue, Juggernoght, and several other known criminals on it, they need her status to be percived as a legitimat operation.

Plus she often dresses with, putting it lightly, little class or taste. If you are so hung up on credentials, you should be at least bringing up that her choice of attire is neither professional or appropriate for her job. You can have all the degrees you want, but if your high school teacher dressed and acted like she did, she would be fired lickety split.

Yes, but she also happens to be a superhero. And most of the time when in her capacity as a teacher she dresses more sedate. Or if she is wearing her uniform she has a big coat to cover it.

Plus given the recent revelations in Astonishing she either is back to her old Hellfire Club ways or she's mentally dellusional and therefore unsound to be a teacher, much less a headmistress.
Seeing as how we have no idea what the revelations in Astonishing are suposed to mean...

[Trystenn]

The reason I am stuck on the teaching degree is becouse no one else HAS ONE. There fore she is the only one qualified to hold the position she has. She is the only person there that could possibly allow the Xavier Institute to have any credibility as a school.
Well couldnt they forge them?

[someone777]

Man! can't you guys read! Emma is gone after HOM! And Storm is the new co-headmaster of the school. And there's no saying to why! Or how! Even I'm stumped on that! But she's vanish. And Marvel won't say why?

[Twigglet]

Man! can't you guys read! Emma is gone after HOM! And Storm is the new co-headmaster of the school. And there's no saying to why! Or how! Even I'm stumped on that! But she's vanish. And Marvel won't say why?


Did you just make that up?

She's clearly seen in the AXM special cover which takes place after HOM.

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

Did you just make that up?

She's clearly seen in the AXM special cover which takes place after HOM.


Astonishing 1-12 takes place before HoM. If you mean that variant cover for 12.

[someone777]

Did you just make that up?

She's clearly seen in the AXM special cover which takes place after HOM.

I just did and Astonishing X-Men Enven the special cover Happen befor HOM. But I could be wrong On Emma. But I'm still looking at Every Marvel Preview I get. But all I know Is that I don't see Emma for two Previews now and Storm stands in her place.

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

I just did and Astonishing X-Men Enven the special cover Happen befor HOM. But I could be wrong On Emma. But I'm still looking at Every Marvel Preview I get. But all I know Is that I don't see Emma for two Previews now and Storm stands in her place.


Emma maybe going strictly to Astonishing which won't be back till Feb of next year. That could explain her absence elsewhere.

[Twigglet]

Astonishing 1-12 takes place before HoM. If you mean that variant cover for 12.

No, I htink in February if I'm right, there is an issue written by Whedon explaining whats happened to the people in AXM, while the break happens, this is the cover.

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/retailersummit/astonishing.jpg

[Brian Cronin]

No personal slight intended, but I think threads tend to get negative quickly ENOUGH without threads DEVOTED to negative stuff.

-Brian