Who will be the villain in X-Men: Deadly Genesis?

[Will.S]

Since the book isn't coming out until November, I thought it would be fun guessing who this revived character from the X-Men's past is.

Ed Brubaker in this month's Wizard said he's set out to "...create a Magneto level villain," which is certainly a challenging task but also something I'm very open to. Ed's been hitting homeruns with his Captain America work so I have high expectations for Deadly Genesis. This month's Wizard issue also has a preview to the book which looks very promising and good.

From what I've seen, the character has the power to look into memories and nightmares and make them appear real. Sort of a mix of Dani Moonstar and Scarlet Witch because he creates an image of Jean Grey and lures Rachel into a trap as well as Brubaker stating that he creates the original mob scene from Nightcrawler's origin to freak him out. On top of that he seems to have telekenisis (waves away Cyclops's optic blasts like nothing), and strange lightning/fire powers among the yellow glowing eyes.

I can't place the costume but it looks like it's red and blue, similar to Captain Marvel. Here are the pics to the solicitations of #2 and another one which may or may not be the cover to 3 by Quesada:

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvel122005/big/XDEADLYG002_COV.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/retailersummit/deadlygenesis.jpg

I've also seen the first couple of pages from the previews book which shows the character having been trapped in a space shuttle for a long time.

Now I don't have the Giant Sized X-Men #1 issue so I'm not sure if the villain appeared in those issues but I'm having a hard time spotting the likeness and powers. Perhaps the more knowledgeable folks here with sufficient back issues can give us some clues.

It can't be Proteus can it?

[streator]

wasn't there a member of the imperial guard with that costume?

also, it appears he has some sort of forcefield, as can be seen blocking cyclops' attack.

and, are we to assume that on the silvestri cover the face will be completely shown in the actual cover release? kind of like what marvel did with mystique on x-men 175's cover.

i don't know who it is, and i am inclined to say it might be a new character.

[Dan Apodaca]

Yep, definitely looks like Thunderbird.

[Dan Apodaca]

and, are we to assume that on the silvestri cover the face will be completely shown in the actual cover release? kind of like what marvel did with mystique on x-men 175's cover.

I'm sure that's the case. But ten bucks says we won't even recognize him with the face revealed.

[Marty4Magik]

Hmm, alot of people say it's Thunderbird, because of the cover and Giant Size # 4....

But Thundedrbird never went into space...

Maybe it's a new Shi'ar villian?

[DDM]

I'll buy the series, but I'm not buying the hype. I believe the villain is completely new, but retconned to have always existed. We'll see when the book comes out. I'm highly skeptical given Quesada's hype often lacks teeth.

[Callie]

I agree with DDM.

I will avoid speculation until the book actually comes out. Covers are fantastic, but they're merely advertisements created to make you want to pick up the book. Sometimes, they have absolutely nothing to do with the story inside.

The blurbs in the monthly previews and the lip service from Quesada are there to generate interest.

Aw heck, speculating is fun. Maybe 'man strangling Cyclops' isn't even the actual villain, but a figment of Scott's imagination? This is a bad guy purported to have powers similar to Moonstar, right?

[xakko]

I was thinking that the guy strangling Cyke kinda looks like Stryfe, who's TK would be able to deflect his optic blasts. And if it is a nightmare scenario, I would imagine being a failure as a father is one of Scott's biggest.

I just have a feeling Count Nefaria is behind it, since he was the villain when T-bird died. I could be wrong, and Krakoa could be the baddie. Somehow. Evolved, I guess. Or has little seed people.

[Atomic Mongoose]

So the new villain is supposed to have the ability to "bring memories back to life"? Hmm... I don't think that's the villain who is strangling Cyclops, then. I think that's a figment of one of Cyclops' memories. Judging by the guy strangling Cyclops' costume colors and how the silhouette of his lip looks like there's a moustache there, I'm gonna go ahead and guess that Cyclops is being strangled by his father, Corsair.

[Ryan K]

It's either very obviously Thunderbird or Marvel is just making it look like it's very obviously Thunderbird.

[Cayman]

It's the third Proudstar brother.

Cay

[Keith_Martineau]

That is hilarious in a "third summers brother" kind of way...

But that may actually be a very good guess.

[Nobbel]

That is hilarious in a "third summers brother" kind of way...

But that may actually be a very good guess.

No, it MUSt be someone we knoew, otherwise they don't make his face black in the preview of the cover. Same like they did with Mystique in X-Men and Northstar on the Wolverine covers , it would have been a major spoiler if they didn't do that. So it must be a familiar face for us.

[Keith_Martineau]

Yeah, but they also did that to Gwen's children on that Amazing Spiderman cover, and when it was revealed, they were in damn espianoge suits, and we wouldn't have recognized them anyway.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

I think the idea of a new villain who makes people think Thunderbird is back, and even has fake Thunderbird choke out Cyc on a cover is highly plausible.

[Nobbel]

Becaude ogf the forcefielsd I'm convinced he cannot be T_bird

[Teamballin]

So the new villain is supposed to have the ability to "bring memories back to life"? Hmm... I don't think that's the villain who is strangling Cyclops, then. I think that's a figment of one of Cyclops' memories. Judging by the guy strangling Cyclops' costume colors and how the silhouette of his lip looks like there's a moustache there, I'm gonna go ahead and guess that Cyclops is being strangled by his father, Corsair.
I would believe it is Corsair choking Scott. Isn't Gambit suppose to be the so-called Third Summers brother? Thunderbird's powers no way would have evolved that way in a million years, unless the ability to bring people's fears and nightmares to reality a mutant ability but magic. Captain Marvel wouldn't be a person from the X-Men's past; therefore, that would rule him out too. Hard to say who has telepathic ability that is a male in the X-Men camp. To be of Magento accliam level of icon villian then it has to be a new villain because there is no villian in the marvel universe that can come close to that level besides: Doctor Doom, Kingpin, Apocalypse, and maybe Sinster.

[Atomic Mongoose]

Oh God... I just glanced at it again. Costume colors + Forcefield powers = Unus???

Please don't be Unus... please...

[streator]

Oh God... I just glanced at it again. Costume colors + Forcefield powers = Unus???

Please don't be Unus... please...
i don't think it is unus. good guess on the silvestri cover being cosair, though. i think if the dream aspect is viable then it could be him. his hair was always a little longer, though.

[Callie]

The colors are reversed from his usual Starjammers costume, but if it is merely an illusion, then I'd think Corsair would be a great guess. I think the fire is just extraneous filler in the scene.

I wonder what that odd loop is by the forehead. Doesn't look connected to mystery man.

[fishtaco]

Hopefully there will be more than one villain. More than one villain=More complex plot, usually.

And the third Proudstar bit is hilarious.

I think from the solit in the first issue it is someone brand new, but hopefully some familiar evil faces will show up.

[Will.S]

i don't know who it is, and i am inclined to say it might be a new character.
Hmm, having read the Wizard article again it does seem to be a new character. Ed says that it's a "secret Xavier has been keeping for all this time" (again).

He also says he wants to create a new villain for them so DDM is also right in that it's a villain being retconned to have existed in the X-Men's past. Still, there has to be some sort of reason for them to obscure the villain that much, perhaps they don't want to fully reveal the costume or something.

[twilight]

Judging by the guy strangling Cyclops' costume colors and how the silhouette of his lip looks like there's a moustache there, I'm gonna go ahead and guess that Cyclops is being strangled by his father, Corsair.

That was my first thought as well.

[Uncle Nobs]

My first guess is still Thunderbird, but a new thought occurred to me...

Dr. Stephen Lang...?

I first thought that the X-Men left Lang for dead in space around issue #100. But a quick check at UncannyXmen.net told me that Marvel brought Lang back to be used in a Master Mold story and again later in the Phalanx Covenant. But I still wonder. After all, he had perfect robot replicas of the X-Men. Why not retcon it so the Lang we saw merging with Master Mold and getting all technarchy was just a droid who'd been mistaken for the real dude?

If that's the case, then the real Lang would have been caught in the same cosmic storm that Jean did. Could it have awakened latent mutant powers? It worked for the FF! Has he been rotting in space for years, hating the X-Men as his powers grew stronger? Did he learn to knit spandex from meteors and bodily fluids? Why's he gotta copy Smasher's costume? You'd think after 5 years stranded in space, he'd come up with an original idea. Is he all gnarled and deformed from crashing into that big computer monitor? If so, can we really judge him as a villain since he's probably just pissed off that he can't get laid? If he was sustained solely by his own immense energies, what did they taste like? Curry, maybe? What kind of a god gives a jerk like Lang so much power? Why do puppies have to die? Why didn't he think of a code-name? With a name like "Dr. Stephen Lang", people probably treated him like Professor Frink, with the calculators and the stigma and the test tubes and the pariahs and the frigblat and the GLAYVEN!

It's no wonder he couldn't get laid.

[Uncle Nobs]

Quesada on X-Men: Deadly Genesis: "It tells the untold story of Giant-Size X-Men #1. This is Xavier's deepest, darkest secret."

It seems like we're hearing more and more that it all relates specifically back to GSXM #1, and not just that time period. So I'm beginning to drop my Thunderbird theories.

Somehow, it's Krakoa.

The "entire island is a mutant" thing doesn't make sense with the modern MU definition of mutants. I think it's going to be revealed that it was actually a well-known mutant whose powers were animating the island. I just don't know who that would be, though. The island gets blasted into space, and the poor fella gets stranded out there.

By the way, am I the only one who hears "crack whore" when people say Krakoa?

[Twigglet]

I htought it'd be interested to add how there is a 8 page back up story in Deadly Genesis, every issue now.....

Wonder what that could be about?

[UniqueFrequency]

somehow when i think forcefield, Unus the untouchable comes to mind, and i think he has history with the X-Men. but i don't think he has the power shown in the previews, right?

[JolieBrunette]

I don't have much faith in Quesada, but I do have a lot of faith in Brubaker. He was responsible for the new Catwoman title and Gotham Central, both of which are unbelievably good.

Truthfully, I believe it will be a new character completely. Brubaker generally doesn't make bullshit promises, and he has the talent to create a new and compelling villain. The powers as described don't really ring a bell.

That said, he was responsible for the resurrection of Holly in Catwoman, so . . . who knows? It might be someone really obscure from the X-Men's pasts.

[Marty4Magik]

Somehow, it's Krakoa.

Hmm, I'd like this, would be prettyy cool, and it is possible without ruining other characters history!

I hope you are right! :cool:

[DDM]

My first guess is still Thunderbird, but a new thought occurred to me...

Dr. Stephen Lang...?

I first thought that the X-Men left Lang for dead in space around issue #100. But a quick check at UncannyXmen.net told me that Marvel brought Lang back to be used in a Master Mold story and again later in the Phalanx Covenant. But I still wonder. After all, he had perfect robot replicas of the X-Men. Why not retcon it so the Lang we saw merging with Master Mold and getting all technarchy was just a droid who'd been mistaken for the real dude?

If that's the case, then the real Lang would have been caught in the same cosmic storm that Jean did. Could it have awakened latent mutant powers? It worked for the FF! Has he been rotting in space for years, hating the X-Men as his powers grew stronger? Did he learn to knit spandex from meteors and bodily fluids? Why's he gotta copy Smasher's costume? You'd think after 5 years stranded in space, he'd come up with an original idea. Is he all gnarled and deformed from crashing into that big computer monitor? If so, can we really judge him as a villain since he's probably just pissed off that he can't get laid? If he was sustained solely by his own immense energies, what did they taste like? Curry, maybe? What kind of a god gives a jerk like Lang so much power? Why do puppies have to die? Why didn't he think of a code-name? With a name like "Dr. Stephen Lang", people probably treated him like Professor Frink, with the calculators and the stigma and the test tubes and the pariahs and the frigblat and the GLAYVEN!

It's no wonder he couldn't get laid.


Dr. Steven Lang is dead. Before he died, Lang placed his brain patterns into the Master Mold--who thought he was Steven Lang--but is really a Sentinel as shown in Incredible Hulk Annual #7. The Master Mold was thought destroyed until its reappeared in X-Factor #13-14; it deduced that all of humanity needs to be destroyed--not just mutant--since humans carry the potential to create mutants. Much later, the Master Mold II merged with Nimrod in Uncanny X-Men #246-247. Both Sentinels were destroyed. However, the Nimrod/Master Mold amalgam was later revealed to be Bastion.
Bastion was destroyed at some point.

I really hope this mystery villain is not Steven Lang nor Krakoa. Quesada is going to ruin the X-Men franchise if he dips too much into retconning something that does not need to be retconned. Why does not Marvel reveal the villain now? Keeping villains under wraps is yet another gimmick from the vacant idea man, Joe Quesada...

[Frank]

How about the Changeling? He posed as Xavier at one time, and was somehow killed. But who say what happened there. Changeling was actually an alien and started out as a powerful X-Men villain, controling Banshee into joining his evil "Factor Three" group. So he has the sort-of of confusing history that could bended a little to bring him back and make it interesting.

I must say my favorite idea mentioned here so far has been Krakoa since how on Earth an island is a mutant? The answer is: there really was a mutant there, maybe having Mondo-like powers of being one with what he`s controling. Think about it for a minute: this guy(like the Island) feeds on people and with a twist of faith could now gain the powers of the people he sucks the powers from. He could be sort-of like a Mimick + 10. Or say Mimick + Sauron. And he could have an interesting relationship with Rogue because of this. What if his next step when he return to Earth would be to find a mate to procreat?

[Alpha to Omega]

How about the Changeling? He posed as Xavier at one time, and was somehow killed. But who say what happened there. Changeling was actually an alien and started out as a powerful X-Men villain, controling Banshee into joining his evil "Factor Three" group. So he has the sort-of of confusing history that could bended a little to bring him back and make it interesting.

The Mutant Master was the alien in charge of Factor Three not Changeling who's a normal Earthborn mutant.

[Modi]

xavier's darkest secrets huh?

maybe it's legion in a new body, just guessin.

[aelio]

The connections being made to GSX 1 really make me think Thunderbird as well, although I am liking that idea that it has something to do with Krakoa. I did want to point something out though. A lot of people are saying how an island can't be a mutant, which is true, but I always took that line that the mutant was an island. Let's say, hypotheticallly, that you have little "Joe Krakoa" whose mutant abilities manifest at puberty, turning him into a giant, earh-creature-thing. Horrified, little Joe Krakoa runs off and lives by himself in the ocean, now a "living island."

Also, it seems like Chuck's "dark secrets" are being revealed more and more as well as causing more problems. Has "bad Chucky" become an X-franchise story crutch or is Xavier really evil?

[DDM]

Also, it seems like Chuck's "dark secrets" are being revealed more and more as well as causing more problems. Has "bad Chucky" become an X-franchise story crutch or is Xavier really evil?

Xavier is not evil. I do believe "bad Chuck" stories are a result of an Editor-in-Chief mistaking gimmicks for good stories. They are not one & the same.

[Gaveedra 6]

Ooh! You know what would be really cool?? If this story reveals that the All-New, All-Different X-Men that Xavier put together were actually his 2nd attempt to rescue the original students trapped on Krakoa, and that an earlier group had been slaughtered by the living island. And he never told anyone about them.

[jj9126]

Ooh! You know what would be really cool?? If this story reveals that the All-New, All-Different X-Men that Xavier put together were actually his 2nd attempt to rescue the original students trapped on Krakoa, and that an earlier group had been slaughtered by the living island. And he never told anyone about them.

Not a bad thought. From the Wizard preview - my guess is that there was another member of the "new" X-men who accompanied them on the rescue mission. Perhaps the person turned on the team, was presumed dead or whatever - and Xavier "wiped" the memory of the individual from the other team members.

[Sabre]

Oh God... I just glanced at it again. Costume colors + Forcefield powers = Unus???

Please don't be Unus... please...

Where's the love for Unus? :(


(Not that I think it's him, or should be him...he just needs more love!)

[riotgear]

Where's the love for Unus? :(


(Not that I think it's him, or should be him...he just needs more love!)

Well, he was getting his arse handed to him by Mags and Xavier in Genosha the first couple of issues of Excalibur (vol.2). Then he got turned into a human suppository by Freakshow, and hasn't been seen since being regurgitated.

[riotgear]

Ooh! You know what would be really cool?? If this story reveals that the All-New, All-Different X-Men that Xavier put together were actually his 2nd attempt to rescue the original students trapped on Krakoa, and that an earlier group had been slaughtered by the living island. And he never told anyone about them.

I actually like this idea. A good secret, but what's with all of Xavier's deep, dark secrets lately? An evil twin he killed while still in the womb, a sentient danger room that he kept as a slave, and now whatever secret this latest one is.

[riotgear]

Bastion was destroyed at some point.


Bastion was destroyed and beheaded in Astonishing X-Men (vol.2) #2-3, then his head was salvaged by Mainspring in Warlock (vol.3) #6-7, mindwiped and became "Template", before being destroyed again in Warlock (vol.3) #8.

[Sabre]

Well, he was getting his arse handed to him by Mags and Xavier in Genosha the first couple of issues of Excalibur (vol.2). Then he got turned into a human suppository by Freakshow, and hasn't been seen since being regurgitated.

He was up to no good for a while after getting barfed up...he fought the Magistrates, and then was in league with the Weaponeers to take out Xavier's people. Then he completely disappeared when the direction of the book changed.

PS, Thank god he wasn't actually a suppository! Those go up the bum :o He was merely swallowed.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I would love for it to be Nate Grey. Just to throw EVERYBODY off.

[Alpha to Omega]

Quesada on X-Men: Deadly Genesis: "It tells the untold story of Giant-Size X-Men #1. This is Xavier's deepest, darkest secret."

It seems like we're hearing more and more that it all relates specifically back to GSXM #1, and not just that time period. So I'm beginning to drop my Thunderbird theories.

Somehow, it's Krakoa.

The "entire island is a mutant" thing doesn't make sense with the modern MU definition of mutants. I think it's going to be revealed that it was actually a well-known mutant whose powers were animating the island. I just don't know who that would be, though. The island gets blasted into space, and the poor fella gets stranded out there.

By the way, am I the only one who hears "crack whore" when people say Krakoa?

While Krakoa doesn't make sense as a mutant the island did release a child when it was blasted into space so it was a living being and didn't seem to be animated by an outside source. The kid showed up in Excalibur #31 where it fought Nightcrawler and Krakoa later appeared as a prisoner on the Stranger's world in Quasar.

[Will.S]

Quesada on X-Men: Deadly Genesis: "It tells the untold story of Giant-Size X-Men #1. This is Xavier's deepest, darkest secret."

It seems like we're hearing more and more that it all relates specifically back to GSXM #1, and not just that time period. So I'm beginning to drop my Thunderbird theories.

Somehow, it's Krakoa.

The "entire island is a mutant" thing doesn't make sense with the modern MU definition of mutants. I think it's going to be revealed that it was actually a well-known mutant whose powers were animating the island. I just don't know who that would be, though. The island gets blasted into space, and the poor fella gets stranded out there.

By the way, am I the only one who hears "crack whore" when people say Krakoa?
That actually sounds like the best candidate.

[Dan Apodaca]

I like the idea of The Changeling. Though he did volunteer for the job, so Xavier wouldn't be very culpable...

[Uncle Nobs]

Ooh! You know what would be really cool?? If this story reveals that the All-New, All-Different X-Men that Xavier put together were actually his 2nd attempt to rescue the original students trapped on Krakoa, and that an earlier group had been slaughtered by the living island. And he never told anyone about them.
Secret second X-Men team. Hmmm... Me likey. I've kinda toyed with that idea myself, but it took Gaveedra 6 to find the right story for the concept. :D

Not a bad thought. From the Wizard preview - my guess is that there was another member of the "new" X-men who accompanied them on the rescue mission. Perhaps the person turned on the team, was presumed dead or whatever - and Xavier "wiped" the memory of the individual from the other team members.
I'd even like to see a mix of JJ & Gaveedra's ideas, where Xavier had a second team doing something secretive on an island when one of the team members went nuts/lost control/revealed his true colors. Xavier had to call in the original X-Men, and then had to start recruiting. All to cover up this horrible mistake.

So it's some never-before-revealed ex-X-Man (or whatever Xavier called his B team) who brings nightmares to life, one of which happened to be a huge, living-island, collective consciousness monster that almost killed the X-Men. But whose nightmare was it? Xavier's...?

None of this would result in the "evil Xavier" cliche. It's a deep, dark secret that he had to keep from the X-Men for some reason. That's okay. Xavier as a man burdened with secrets and guilt is not gimmicky at all. He's always had this role. This could still be "Xavier's darkest secret" without any overused shock tactics.

While Krakoa doesn't make sense as a mutant the island did release a child when it was blasted into space so it was a living being and didn't seem to be animated by an outside source. The kid showed up in Excalibur #31 where it fought Nightcrawler and Krakoa later appeared as a prisoner on the Stranger's world in Quasar.
:eek: I had no idea. Where did the child come from? Was Excalibur #31 the first time this was revealed? Where is Krakoa now? Where is the kid now? What's his name? Does he have powers? What does a floating space-kid do for a living? Does he like peanut butter? I like peanut butter. I like it on Granny Smith apple slices. Do you like peanut butter? If so, check this box: [] If not, explain why here:______________ and then go away. You are not part of our club. Me and the kid don't need peanut butter haters like you.

[Will.S]

:eek: I had no idea. Where did the child come from? Was Excalibur #31 the first time this was revealed? Where is Krakoa now? Where is the kid now? What's his name? Does he have powers? What does a floating space-kid do for a living? Does he like peanut butter? I like peanut butter. I like it on Granny Smith apple slices. Do you like peanut butter? If so, check this box: [] If not, explain why here:______________ and then go away. You are not part of our club. Me and the kid don't need peanut butter haters like you.
This is all I could find on the character: http://www.mutanthigh.com/vega.html

It's another possible one but appearancewise he doesn't seem to match up.

[Alpha to Omega]

You can find out about Krakoa's child Vega-Superior here (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/vegasuperiorkrakoa.htm) and Krakoa was last seen on the Stranger's world where he tried to attack Quasar who escaped.

[Frank]

Somehow I don`t like the idea of the villain being Krakoa`s kid. It`s too soap opera and doesn`t leave much to the imagination. I would rather that Xavier kept the secret that Krakoa wasn`t an Island but a mutant controling or being one with an Island. And now he`s coming back.

Let`s say Xavier find this powerful mutant, realise he`s a menace and since it`s early in his mutant crusade, Xavier just use his SHIELD connection and dispatch a team to locate the guy, secure him when he`s most vulnerable(and that thing could be a way to beat further down the line) and just drop him off to a desert Island. But then after feeding on anything he could, the only to survive is to merge with everything. But since he can`t feed anymore he just starves. Waiting.

But to make the situation different from Proteus-as this evil uncontrolable mutant that was born that way-what if Xavier`s secret would go further. What if an inexperienced Xavier wanting to train a mutant, made a mystake and was responsible for his condition, for driving him nuts and uncontrolable to begin with?

From the things I heared so far that I liked are:
-Krakoa being a human mutant
-Changeling
-Surviving X-Man of an earlier team that was slaughtered
-Unus. Just because I always liked the guy. And since CC made him a weakling that would be a great way to put his face in it. lol

As for the Thunderbird option the only thing I can think of would be that when Krakoa was sent in space, Thunderbird was in Crack who...oups Krakoa, and was used to distract the creature when the others did their business. Only Thunderbird had the powers to witstand the absorbtion-powers of the Island so it was a sort-of sacrifice. And the Thunderbird that "died" on the plane was actually Changeling.

[thetracker]

I think it's gotta be him

[fishtaco]

I think it's gotta be himNope. Proteus is already set for Exiles. :)

[jadegiant77]

Its probably Thunderbird with new powers. Probably blames the X-men for his death, blah blah blah.

[fishtaco]

It's Osama Bin-Laden. Joe Quesada told me at the last comicon ;)

[Cayman]

It's the illegitimate child of Thunderbird and Krakoa.

Cay

[Henry T.]

From what I've seen, the character has the power to look into memories and nightmares and make them appear real. Sort of a mix of Dani Moonstar and Scarlet Witch because he creates an image of Jean Grey and lures Rachel into a trap as well as Brubaker stating that he creates the original mob scene from Nightcrawler's origin to freak him out. On top of that he seems to have telekenisis (waves away Cyclops's optic blasts like nothing), and strange lightning/fire powers among the yellow glowing eyes.

It can't be Proteus can it?


Since I have not seen the Wizard preview can I ask what costume the illusion Jean Grey was in? :)

Thanks

[Will.S]

Since I have not seen the Wizard preview can I ask what costume the illusion Jean Grey was in? :)

Thanks
No problem, it was Jean in her Marvel Girl outfit.

[Uncle Nobs]

You can find out about Krakoa's child Vega-Superior here (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/vegasuperiorkrakoa.htm) and Krakoa was last seen on the Stranger's world where he tried to attack Quasar who escaped.
Thanks, A-O!

This "Vega-Superior" is nothing of the kind. I've discovered his weakness: He's lame.

If they go with the "secret mutant who animated Krakoa" thing, I hope they just ignore the Vega-Superior story. Deal with THAT, continuity freaks!

[Brian M.]

I love the idea of Xavier sending another team or there was another teammate.

[Chinofish]

i like unus or it could be a hyped up mimic, though im not sure he is dead.

[Bishop_Proudstar]

It's the illegitimate child of Thunderbird and Krakoa.

Cay

blah......*Puke*

[Bishop_Proudstar]

Since I have not seen the Wizard preview can I ask what costume the illusion Jean Grey was in? :)

Thanks

Dani's big brother? Father?


Maybe, his fear was being left on the island, and it actually happened..

[SUPERMAN PRIME]

i think that i have learned who is on the asteroid but i cant remember right now ...i think that it was on this site

[Frank]

i like unus or it could be a hyped up mimic, though im not sure he is dead.

Ummm Mimic...this would..not be a bad idea actually.

[Uncle Nobs]

i think that i have learned who is on the asteroid but i cant remember right now ...i think that it was on this site
For reasons too numerous to list, this is my favorite post of all time.

[Jonah Weiland]

We just posted a new interview with Brubaker today:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=6014

Talks a bunch about "Deadly Genesis."

[fishtaco]

We just posted a new interview with Brubaker today:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=6014

Talks a bunch about "Deadly Genesis."Thanks, Jonah :)

[streator]

We just posted a new interview with Brubaker today:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=6014

Talks a bunch about "Deadly Genesis."

"Most of it is stuff happening over the course of a couple of weeks now, but has ties back to this thing that happened that most of the X-Men didn't know about (and the few that did kept their mouths shut about it all these years)."

hmm. that could possibly lead to the idea of xavier sending a prior group of mutants to rescue the originals from krakoa. those who knew would probably therefore include xavier and cyclops. nice preview art as well. i really don't think the guy in the shuttle is quicksilver. i'm thinking this mini might have nothing to do with him at all now.

[Will.S]

"Most of it is stuff happening over the course of a couple of weeks now, but has ties back to this thing that happened that most of the X-Men didn't know about (and the few that did kept their mouths shut about it all these years)."

hmm. that could possibly lead to the idea of xavier sending a prior group of mutants to rescue the originals from krakoa. those who knew would probably therefore include xavier and cyclops. nice preview art as well. i really don't think the guy in the shuttle is quicksilver. i'm thinking this mini might have nothing to do with him at all now.
That's a very probable theory you've got there.

I don't have Giant Sized X-Men #1 (when was the most recent reprinting?) but I'm very intruiged by the guy in that space shuttle and how he and his crew got there.

Thanks for the interview Jonah.

[streator]

wow, i typed quicksilver. i meant thunderbird.
/drunk

[moebius]

Dark secret? Mystery villain? Sounds like Identity Crisis.

I think we'll find the Cyclops/Wolverine feud was actually about Wolverine's decision to execute the Professor Photon after he raped Bobby Drake. :evilsmile

"But...I thought it was always about politics."
"It was about politics, Warren..."

It's Brubaker, though. Brubaker has earned the faith I put in his stories, so I will buy this and I will like it.

I'm also digging the idea that maybe Prof X. and Cyclops rounded up some B-teamers who got slaughtered by Kraktoa before sending in the real team.

[Modi]

is it me or is this mystery looking bigger , then who is behind the house of m ever was?

[Deadpool_Disassembled]

God can't you people see? It's obviously Sugarman. ;)

[Bishop_Proudstar]

Even though I like the idea of another team of X-Men before The "All-New" Squad, I think that won't be..

The island didn't kill the originals..

Maybe, it's just circumstance that a possible "first reserve X-Men team" were killed and the orignals survived.

I think that it's just one guy..

[fishtaco]

God can't you people see? It's obviously Sugarman. ;)That would explain the horror element to this story :p :D

Maybe, it's just circumstance that a possible "first reserve X-Men team" were killed and the orignals survived.That would be a silly, silly retcon.

[Ed Brubaker]

<<Dark secret? Mystery villain? Sounds like Identity Crisis.>>

Ha. That's hilarious. Sounds more like Watchmen to me, from that description... Or really, like any number of big event comics throughout the years. I just hope this one is good. But let's try to remember that Identity Crisis didn't invent or even reinvent the wheel on Dark Secrets and Mystery Villains, please. They have been a staple of pulp fiction since the 1920s on. And as a writer who's been working in comics professionally for over ten years, I'm much more likely to be influenced by things I read as a kid or teenager than things that came out last year. ;)


On the mystery villain. I won't reveal it, but I have seen at least one person guess the true identity. Not necessarilly on this thread, or this board, but I have seen it online at least once.

[Beast]

On the mystery villain. I won't reveal it, but I have seen at least one person guess the true identity. Not necessarilly on this thread, or this board, but I have seen it online at least once.
You evil evil tease you. :)

[DeadMuskrat]

My bet: Mimic

[Vegetarian Goat]

Not a bad thought. From the Wizard preview - my guess is that there was another member of the "new" X-men who accompanied them on the rescue mission. Perhaps the person turned on the team, was presumed dead or whatever - and Xavier "wiped" the memory of the individual from the other team members.

did he wipe the memory of everyone who has ever read Giant Size as well? Because that seems a little lame to me...

[Frank]

On the mystery villain. I won't reveal it, but I have seen at least one person guess the true identity. Not necessarilly on this thread, or this board, but I have seen it online at least once.

Nice try but there`s no way in Hell the name of the guy hasn`t been mentioned in this thread considering we ran with every possibiblities you can imagine. lol 1. An humanoid Krakoa, 2. a guy who was in another group, 3. Thunderbird, 4. Mimic, 5. Unus, 6. The Changeling/Mutant Master, 7. Black Tom, 8. Mastermold, 9. The Adversary, 10. A mix of a few of them, 11. Proteus, 12. Legion, 13. Shadow King, 14. Lucifer(the alien who crippled Xavier), 15. Erik The Red(Shi`ar evil conqueror)...anybody else? :D

[Ryan K]

On the mystery villain. I won't reveal it, but I have seen at least one person guess the true identity. Not necessarilly on this thread, or this board, but I have seen it online at least once.

Nice try but there`s no way in Hell the name of the guy hasn`t been mentioned in this thread considering we ran with every possibiblities you can imagine. lol 1. An humanoid Krakoa, 2. a guy who was in another group, 3. Thunderbird, 4. Mimic, 5. Unus, 6. The Changeling/Mutant Master, 7. Black Tom, 8. Mastermold, 9. The Adversary, 10. A mix of a few of them, 11. Proteus, 12. Legion, 13. Shadow King, 14. Lucifer(the alien who crippled Xavier), 15. Erik The Red(Shi`ar evil conqueror)...anybody else? :D

You're a little full of yourself aren't you?

You don't think it's possible it's not one of your 15?

[DavidQ!]

I'm thinking they are resurrecting mastermind (Jason wyngarde) for this one. Just hoping.

[Uncle Nobs]

Alright. So we've dished out our own little theories. Let's settle this and place our bets. What do we know?



-We've been told that the villain has ties to GSXM#1 specifically, and not just that time period. So it's either Krakoa, someone tied to Krakoa, one of the new X-Men themselves, or one of the background characters in that book (which seems the least likely).

-We can infer that the villain would be someone we would recognize, otherwise why bother covering up his face in promos?

-We also know that it's someone we would recognize because Mr. Brubaker himself said that he has heard people guess the identity of the villain.

-We also know that it's someone with the ability to "make nightmares real". We don't know HOW real, though.

-It's also been suggested that it's someone who's been in space since GSXM#1. This rules out Jason Wyngarde (who was a very likely suspect, even though he's VERY dead).



My guess: Changeling created Krakoa as some sort of test/attack for/on the X-Men.

We don't know enough about him to assume that shape-changing was his true ability. It's possible he was actually an illusion-caster or a reality-warper and in the old comics, we only saw him use these skills to change his appearance. We also don't know that the costume we've seen in promos is the one he'll wear when he first reappears. He could very well make his entrance wearing his light blue jammies and funky helmet. Then, ZAP! New costume.

I think Changeling either went rogue and created a deathtrap, conspired with Xavier to create a situation that would help Chuck recruit new X-Men, or was sent along with the team and later telepathically removed from almost everyone's memory. Whichever way he was involved, something went horribly wrong and he wound up rotting in space, hating the X-Men for what happened.



Do I win a prize, Ed?!? :D

[streator]

i still really like the idea of xavier recruiting someone before the new group (thunderbird, storm, nightcrawler, colossus, wolverine, banshee, sunfire) and having him be the villain of this series. i mean, think about it: xavier recruits this one guy to do the job, and he supposedly gets killed/disposed of somehow. xavier realizes it is a bigger threat than he anticipated, decides to recruit more than one mutant, and then goes out and does so. the only other person that knows? cyclops. i really like this idea, to be honest. it would also jive with cyclops being on the cover singularly with the villain.

[Bishop_Proudstar]

Alright. So we've dished out our own little theories. Let's settle this and place our bets. What do we know?



-We've been told that the villain has ties to GSXM#1 specifically, and not just that time period. So it's either Krakoa, someone tied to Krakoa, one of the new X-Men themselves, or one of the background characters in that book (which seems the least likely).

-We can infer that the villain would be someone we would recognize, otherwise why bother covering up his face in promos?

-We also know that it's someone we would recognize because Mr. Brubaker himself said that he has heard people guess the identity of the villain.

-We also know that it's someone with the ability to "make nightmares real". We don't know HOW real, though.

-It's also been suggested that it's someone who's been in space since GSXM#1. This rules out Jason Wyngarde (who was a very likely suspect, even though he's VERY dead).



My guess: Changeling created Krakoa as some sort of test/attack for/on the X-Men.

We don't know enough about him to assume that shape-changing was his true ability. It's possible he was actually an illusion-caster or a reality-warper and in the old comics, we only saw him use these skills to change his appearance. We also don't know that the costume we've seen in promos is the one he'll wear when he first reappears. He could very well make his entrance wearing his light blue jammies and funky helmet. Then, ZAP! New costume.

I think Changeling either went rogue and created a deathtrap, conspired with Xavier to create a situation that would help Chuck recruit new X-Men, or was sent along with the team and later telepathically removed from almost everyone's memory. Whichever way he was involved, something went horribly wrong and he wound up rotting in space, hating the X-Men for what happened.



Do I win a prize, Ed?!? :D
I was thinking that too (at first)..
Maybe, Changeling never died but was in a coma. Or he had a "son".

(The name "The Changeling may be available for awhile because DC Comics is calling theirs "Beast Boy" again..)

When he awakens, Xavier has him watch and recruit The New X-men (who they would think was Xavier).

Xavier sends him to Krakoa first because Cerebro locates a mutant there..

It's not an alien because that plot would tred to closely on Whedon's "Ord"..

It's The Changeling, or a new mutant, or "Exodus"? I never saw how Magneto "saved" him....but Exodus was in The Brotherhood recently..

(The new mutant could be related to Mirage/Moonstar in look and power)

An enhanced Changeling (or "son of Changeling") who was recruiting, or being recruited..Only Cyclops knows. The other 4 originals (plus Havok and Polaris) are "Mind-wiped" from remembering. The "All-New" members never met him because their goal was to rescue the other X-Men.

Maybe, he'd be in space on a Space Shuttle returning from Morrison's "Weapon Plus" Asteriod-Base (all this time.

He could be the last "Weapon Mutant Hound Sentinel"

A "Morph" of 616?

[Hi-Fi]

It looks like Corsair in #2 to me...

[Dizzy D]

I was thinking that too (at first)..
Maybe, Changeling never died but was in a coma. Or he had a "son".

Changeling was resurrected as a zombie by Black Talon for a while, so unless they are going to retcon that as well, he definitely died.

[Bishop_Proudstar]

Changeling was resurrected as a zombie by Black Talon for a while, so unless they are going to retcon that as well, he definitely died.

I had a feeling that I read that in "Marvel Universe".

[Uncle Nobs]

It looks like Corsair in #2 to me...
I agree, but I don't see how Corsair would be connected to GSXM#1. Forcing all-new powers on a previously powerless character, squeezing him into GSXM#1 retroactively, creating a plausible reason why a well-intentioned hero would turn against his own son and all his son's allies... I'm sure there's some way to do it, but it doesn't feel natural. I'm giving Mr. Brubaker more credit than that.

My guess is still Changeling-as-Krakoa, with Proteus-as-Krakoa & Mastermind-as-Krakoa as less likely runners-up since they were introduced after GSXM#1.

On the topic of Proteus (even though he's not my top suspect), does anyone know his current status? The last I saw him was in that Star Trek/X-Men special (which I assume was non-canon). Previous to that, I can only remember the Piecemeal/Proteus crossover in the annuals.

[Cayman]

i still really like the idea of xavier recruiting someone before the new group (thunderbird, storm, nightcrawler, colossus, wolverine, banshee, sunfire) and having him be the villain of this series. i mean, think about it: xavier recruits this one guy to do the job, and he supposedly gets killed/disposed of somehow. xavier realizes it is a bigger threat than he anticipated, decides to recruit more than one mutant, and then goes out and does so. the only other person that knows? cyclops. i really like this idea, to be honest. it would also jive with cyclops being on the cover singularly with the villain.

Xavier might have mindwiped Cyclops and some other X-Men so they don't remember the other mutant at all. Maybe the guy went into space when Lorna shot Krakoa into orbit and that's why he's hanging around the asteroid.

Cay

[Nightcrawler]

Xavier might have mindwiped Cyclops and some other X-Men so they don't remember the other mutant at all. Maybe the guy went into space when Lorna shot Krakoa into orbit and that's why he's hanging around the asteroid.

Cay

I like that idea a lot. Very creative.

[Beast]

On the topic of Proteus (even though he's not my top suspect), does anyone know his current status? The last I saw him was in that Star Trek/X-Men special (which I assume was non-canon). Previous to that, I can only remember the Piecemeal/Proteus crossover in the annuals.
Proteus was alive again, during HoM. He appeared in Exiles, where he grabbed control of Mimic's body. Then used his reality manipulation, as well as information he gleaned from the Tallus and Mimic's mind to travel to another reality before the world was returned to 'normal'. So I'd definatly scratch him off the list of characters. ")

[Uncle Nobs]

Wait, Beast... I'm confused. Are you saying that:

First, Proteus showed up in HoM (in the newspaper article that mistakenly accused Moira of his crimes). Then, Proteus showed up in Exiles while they visited 616 during HoM. In that Exiles story, he ditched the 616 to go on to some unknown alternate Earth, just before HoM ended.

Is that right? If so, was he one of the characters that Wanda "magicked" back to life, or had he been seen prior to HoM? The last time I'd seen him in a canon book was the Proteus/Piecemeal crossover. :confused:

[Neolucifer]

He was dead prior to HoM killed by Colossus . Wanda's power didnt bring him back to life directly . Just like Uncle Ben , Gwen and the other dead marvel characters revived for the duration of HoM , the way events occured differently from the regular MU , allowed him to stay alive .Exilés throws in a simple explanation , in HoM's world , there were no Xmen to deal with him .

[DDM]

I think the deadly villain will be none other than...Aunt Bea from The Andy Griffith Show. Aunt Bea is dead!

[Uncle Nobs]

He was dead prior to HoM killed by Colossus.
That was way back in Uncanny #128. But as I mentioned, he had come back a few times since then. Once in the New Warriors/X-Men/X-Factor/X-Force annual event called "Kings of Pain", published in 1991. Then again in the Star Trek/X-Men crossover (assumed to be non-canon). I'm trying to remember if he had been back in the canon 616 MU since then.

Wanda's power didnt bring him back to life directly. Just like Uncle Ben, Gwen and the other dead marvel characters revived for the duration of HoM, the way events occured differently from the regular MU allowed him to stay alive. Exiles throws in a simple explanation: In HoM's world , there were no X-men to deal with him.
This one confuses me. I thought Wanda just warped our current reality, remaking the world as she wished and rewriting people's memories in the process. I didn't think she actually altered the timeline. Does anyone know for sure?

[Neolucifer]

I dont think it was only an illusion and memories . At some point of history events were radically altered so Magneto could became the savior of the mutant and human races , thus established his rule , and with some kind of snowball effect , affected everyone's life . And from what i understood , Layla Miller awakening the heroes isnt just lifting an illusion neither ..she made them aware of their past life . They even share memories of both life .

[Bishop_Proudstar]

Proteus is too strong, and a yawn at this point.

That means that Moira will be back in time for "X3".

He fits better in "Exiles" now. It's best to leave him there..

This villain is supposed to make fears real, plus have some powers to create telekinetic sheilds..

That's well below the vast power of Proteus.

Plus, he would just wait on a space shuttle for a long time..

[Bishop_Proudstar]

It would be great if it was Xorn..

Xorneto + Xorn II as one in the same..

With Wanda's hex over, he would be the "traitor" that he mentioned to havok and Emma..

The killer Magneto in "Planet X" would be The X-men's greatest nightmare..

Xorn could've been a mutant that Xavier sent the originals to rescue..

[Beast]

Proteus is too strong, and a yawn at this point.

That means that Moira will be back in time for "X3".
How does that mean that Moira will be back in time for "X3"? Especially considering the only way that could work, is if she remained alive after Wanda undid things. And considering she blew her brains out with a handgun in the HoM altered world, I think it's probably pretty likely she's staying dead.

[Bishop_Proudstar]

How does that mean that Moira will be back in time for "X3"? Especially considering the only way that could work, is if she remained alive after Wanda undid things. And considering she blew her brains out with a handgun in the HoM altered world, I think it's probably pretty likely she's staying dead.

I had a feeling that Colossus would return before "X3".

Even though I don't think that Proteus is the villain in "Deadly Genesis", The "HoM" version is in Exiles..

Just maybe, a "reality warper" can bring his mom back.

I feel that Marvel would want the characters in the film to re-appear in the books before the film is released.

They wouldn't want the "kiddie$" to buy the books for the first time only to find that a particular character is already gone.

Well.. Pyro is still gone...(for now)..

Anything could be possible with Wanda's "subconscious hexing" as an excuse..

[Tommy]

Clearly the villian is the Scarlet Witch. Or possibly just one subsection of her mind.

[Nick Kal]

This comes out tomorrow! Finally we shall find out who it is.

[Will.S]

This comes out tomorrow! Finally we shall find out who it is.
I sure hope so!

[Nick Kal]

Nevermind... the solicitation for #4 says it'll be revealed then... But I guess the covers will reveal someone.. not the villain.. but we'll see who they are so whatever.