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09-30-2005, 12:00 PM

AllisterH

09-30-2005, 12:06 PM

My guess is that its cold... really, really frickin' cold.

And, strangely enough, there's not a single secret government cabal creating any super soldiers. Which is strange, 'cause that's all us Canadians are good at. Well, that and freezing our butts off.

Its not just Canada though. Other than Russia, do any of the other "real world" countries have heroes? Do they even get mentioned?

Japan in MU can actually field a team of heroes, as can China, the UK and Russia. Hell, I'm pretty sure that marvel Canada could solo the rest of the "real world" DC without too much trouble.

The only major Canadian I can think of in DC is Plastique (and she was a villain who had no powers....)

Shellhead

09-30-2005, 12:07 PM

The real reason that the DCU is able to have so many extra major American cities is that there is no Canada. ;)

Metamorpho

09-30-2005, 12:35 PM

Plastique is Canadian.

dazzler_slave

09-30-2005, 12:36 PM

Canada is really never mentioned in DC which I think is a shame. As far as I know, there are only a handful of Canadian charachters:

Plastique (stereotypical French Canadian Terrorist)

Centrix (from Global Guardians, but has only appeared in one panel in one issue of Justice League Quarterly)

Flying Fox (Stereotypical Native Canadian who was a member of the Young All Stars)

Corona and Koryak (stereotypical Inuit characters. Corona once slept with Aquaman and gave birth to Koryak. Corona became a fire elemental and Koryak led a rebellion against Arthur in Atlantis) - and heck these two might be from Alaska as a matter of fact

We get no respect! Though it is true that in DC pretty much only the US and Russia have a large representation of heroes, other countries do get more respect than Canada. Japan has 4 heroes (Dr. Light, Rising Sun, Sunburst and Bushido), The Middle East as an area has the Jihad and various solo heroes, South America has a few, heck even Australia has the Tasmanian Devil!

I much prefer the Marvel view of Canada. We may be run by an evil government (Weapon X etc.), but at least we can kick ass when we want to with Alpha Flight and we boast arguably Marvel's most popular character in Wolverine. Go Marvel! Boo DC!

PanzerMega

09-30-2005, 12:40 PM

One of those giant Star Conqueror starfish attacked Canada during Grant Morrison's JLA run.

So while the DCU gives us little love, at least we're worth being destroyed by giant alien starfish.

Mia

09-30-2005, 12:46 PM

The reason Canada isn't mentioned is that it's the 52nd state and isn't considered to be seperate from the United States, Just like in real life! :D

Shellhead

09-30-2005, 12:47 PM

It's odd how the Marvel Universe has more of an international feel to it, but the vast majority of Marvel heroes are operating either in upstate New York or New York City. DC Heroes are more spread out across the U.S., but DC has fewer foreign characters.

Ryno

09-30-2005, 12:50 PM

Canada in the DCU is just like Canada in the real world. Nobody other than Canadians think about it.

celluloid_droid

09-30-2005, 12:55 PM

Which is why whenever DC is going to send someone cold and desolate they just send them to Hoth. :p

protege

09-30-2005, 01:06 PM

Plastique is Canadian.
I thought Owlwoman was Canadian.

Shellhead

09-30-2005, 01:07 PM

I thought Owlwoman was Canadian.

Owlwoman has hooters!

titanfan

09-30-2005, 01:54 PM

I think Young Heroes' Frostbite was Canadian too!

There are a lot of DCU heroes who could be Canadian, we just don't know enough about them...being from Canada is probably like being from Detroit. It probably won't come up in every day conversation.

dazzler_slave

09-30-2005, 04:12 PM

I thought Owlwoman was Canadian.

Nope, she's the American member of the Global Guardians.

dazzler_slave

09-30-2005, 04:15 PM

Canada in the DCU is just like Canada in the real world. Nobody other than Canadians think about it.

Yeah, well at least when the rest of the world thinks of us they actually like us. I'd rather that than hated globally. When I was travelling in Europe, people would assume we were American and be really rude. Then when they found out we were Canadian they were truly nice, and apologized to us for the insult of assuming we were American.

The Shadow

09-30-2005, 04:24 PM

We get no respect! and we boast arguably Marvel's most popular character in Wolverine. Go Marvel! Boo DC!
Yeah... we have Wolverine!

'Nuff said.

But don't forget... some of DC's biggest guns aren't American... Superman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman... that's 4 of the big 7 JLA members just to name a few.

Petertime

09-30-2005, 04:25 PM

Canada in the DCU is just like Canada in the real world. Nobody other than Canadians think about it.

One could argue the reverse is also true, just like in real life, in the DCU Americans only think about America :p

I know Robin was in Canada during "Contagion" (Toronto or Montreal, I think) but I don't know of any Canadian heros off hand (Other then Superman, who of course originally worked for a newspaper in Toronto...)

The Shadow

09-30-2005, 04:40 PM

One could argue the reverse is also true, just like in real life, in the DCU Americans only think about America :p
Noooooooooooo........... ya think?

I wonder how many Americans know where Canada is... so few know who their President is...

Grant

09-30-2005, 04:55 PM

Yeah... we have Wolverine!

'Nuff said.

But don't forget... some of DC's biggest guns aren't American... Superman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman... that's 4 of the big 7 JLA members just to name a few.

C'mon Superman is American. His adopted parents are American therefore he's a citizen.

Ontir

09-30-2005, 05:00 PM

I come from Rochester, NY, which is just across the lake from Toronto, and 2 hours away from Niagara Falls. I LOVE Canada!!! For the record, I've also been really hot in Canada at the Falls, in Toronto, in Montreal, and in "Campus" in Montreal!!! :p

Gaz

09-30-2005, 05:31 PM

We get no respect! Though it is true that in DC pretty much only the US and Russia have a large representation of heroes, other countries do get more respect than Canada. Japan has 4 heroes (Dr. Light, Rising Sun, Sunburst and Bushido), The Middle East as an area has the Jihad and various solo heroes, South America has a few, heck even Australia has the Tasmanian Devil!

I much prefer the Marvel view of Canada. We may be run by an evil government (Weapon X etc.), but at least we can kick ass when we want to with Alpha Flight and we boast arguably Marvel's most popular character in Wolverine. Go Marvel! Boo DC!
The UK kinda gets shafted too, we get Shining Knight (two, if you count Morrison's as seperate, and yes, she does kick ass), Hawk (or Dove, I forget which) and... um, that's about it...

titanfan

09-30-2005, 05:34 PM

The UK kinda gets shafted too, we get Shining Knight (two, if you count Morrison's as se

How can you forget Godiva?!?!? Hair Control powers rock!

The Shadow

09-30-2005, 05:45 PM

I come from Rochester, NY
I played hockey there when I was younger... Syracuse too.

Montreal is awesome... especially its nightlife!!!!!!!

The Shadow

09-30-2005, 05:48 PM

C'mon Superman is American. His adopted parents are American therefore he's a citizen.
Was he ever REALLY adopted?

He would have been put in control of the State of Kansas until Johnathan and Martha were checked out and enough time had passed for his real parents to claim him. And it can take YEARS for an adoption o become final. I just read Superman Blue and John makes a comment about finding the baby and Martha insisting the keep him... nothing about an adoption. I don't ever recall hearing an adoption happened.

AllisterH

09-30-2005, 05:55 PM

Um, Themscyira, Mars and Atlantis don't actually support life IRL (hell, 1 doesn't exist and the other is just a legend) so using characters from those 3 places isn't DC being "International"

I am surprised that Japan actually has 4 in DC. But Light is now powerless (and she had moved tot he States) meaning DC japan is now down to 3. Marvel's Japan's BIG HERO SIX or China's CHINA FORCE would easily mop up DC japan now.

The one thing DC International might have better is the Middle East heroes since other than Sabra and the Arabian Knight, the middle east in marvel doesn't have any other characters I know of.

Hell, marvel Canada actually only needs 1 character to beat"rest of the world" in DC. GRAVITON. Same goes for marvel Earth's UK. PROTEUS.

Ontir

09-30-2005, 05:59 PM

Was he ever REALLY adopted?

He would have been put in control of the State of Kansas until Johnathan and Martha were checked out and enough time had passed for his real parents to claim him. And it can take YEARS for an adoption o become final. I just read Superman Blue and John makes a comment about finding the baby and Martha insisting the keep him... nothing about an adoption. I don't ever recall hearing an adoption happened.

In older versions of the origin, Jonathan and Marth DID turn him over to the State. Even as a child, his powers were manifest, and aside from the doctor breaking many needles trying to vaccinate him, he generally busted up the place, so when the Kents came back for little Kal-el, the orpahange was only too happy to turn him over.

In Smallville the specifics of his adoption have been delved into in depth.

Grant

09-30-2005, 06:14 PM

Was he ever REALLY adopted?

He would have been put in control of the State of Kansas until Johnathan and Martha were checked out and enough time had passed for his real parents to claim him. And it can take YEARS for an adoption o become final. I just read Superman Blue and John makes a comment about finding the baby and Martha insisting the keep him... nothing about an adoption. I don't ever recall hearing an adoption happened.

He probably has a birth certificate, social security number and all the requirements of American Citizen. Whether or not he was born here or not (Is the "birthing matrix" still in continuity) he spent most of his life in America.

Bat-Mite

09-30-2005, 06:34 PM

The UK kinda gets shafted too

Half of Vertigo takes place in the U.K. if not more, and you get the Knight and Squire, so you have no right to complain.

Now South America, other than Montevideo blowing up and good ole Swampy visiting Brazil, never shows up.

TomGun13

09-30-2005, 06:50 PM

The reason Canada isn't mentioned is that it's the 52nd state and isn't considered to be seperate from the United States, Just like in real life! :D

If I may ask, what is the 51st state?

Converge

09-30-2005, 08:01 PM

Gaz

09-30-2005, 08:02 PM

If I may ask, what is the 51st state?
Us, Iraq or Puerto Rico, depending on Bush's mood.

Tequilamokinbrd

09-30-2005, 08:23 PM

In Outsiders The Fearsome Five(Before Dr. Sivana killed Gizmo) were going to blow up Canada if that counts for anything.

gorosaurus

09-30-2005, 09:47 PM

The UK kinda gets shafted too, we get Shining Knight (two, if you count Morrison's as seperate, and yes, she does kick ass), Hawk (or Dove, I forget which) and... um, that's about it...

The UK also has John Constantine. Not exacltly a "hero", but the star od a long-running and popular DC title. Plus the new Knight, Squire and Jack O"Lantern that Grant Morrison created in JLA Classified #'s 1-3as part of the Ulta_marien Corps. They're pretty interesting.

titanfan

09-30-2005, 10:09 PM

Now South America, other than Montevideo blowing up and good ole Swampy visiting Brazil, never shows up.

Well, even in the real world, it seems like South America isn't a player on the world scene. So I'd say that's consistent. If we're talking about representation, they have at least one B-List heroine in Fire. Martian Manhunter was said to have made South America one of his main bases of operation during his series as well.

Loren

09-30-2005, 10:24 PM

Was he ever REALLY adopted?

He would have been put in control of the State of Kansas until Johnathan and Martha were checked out and enough time had passed for his real parents to claim him. And it can take YEARS for an adoption o become final. I just read Superman Blue and John makes a comment about finding the baby and Martha insisting the keep him... nothing about an adoption. I don't ever recall hearing an adoption happened.

In the Byrne version, Clark wasn't adopted at all. Jonathan and Martha found the rocket, and baby Kal, right before a very long and harsh winter. When springtime rolled around, they produced a baby and claimed that he was their own flesh-and-blood son, born during the winter. All the normal birth documentation would have followed accordingly.

Sk8maven

09-30-2005, 11:01 PM

The current Dr. Fate (Hector Hall) is, technically, Canadian. He was (re)born in a Vancouver, BC hospital of a mother (who turned out to be Dawn Granger aka Dove) found floating off Vancouver Island. See JSA #2-4 (collected in the TPB "JSA: Justice Be Done).

The Shadow

09-30-2005, 11:13 PM

In the Byrne version, Clark wasn't adopted at all. Jonathan and Martha found the rocket, and baby Kal, right before a very long and harsh winter. When springtime rolled around, they produced a baby and claimed that he was their own flesh-and-blood son, born during the winter. All the normal birth documentation would have followed accordingly.
That's what I thought... but I seemed to recall what Ontir said too and I wasn't sure what was considered the current canon version

Napolean Blownapart

10-01-2005, 07:59 AM

Yeah, well at least when the rest of the world thinks of us they actually like us. I'd rather that than hated globally. When I was travelling in Europe, people would assume we were American and be really rude. Then when they found out we were Canadian they were truly nice, and apologized to us for the insult of assuming we were American.

Europe =/= the rest of the world. Americans stopped caring about what Europeans think a long time ago, which is why they're so pissed at us, but we still don't care.
Also they probably just felt sorry for you when they found out you were Canadian, at least America is a real country.

Bat-Mite

10-01-2005, 09:02 AM

Well, even in the real world, it seems like South America isn't a player on the world scene.

Tell that to the narcs.

And why do you guys want to kill this guy so much if it doesn't matter?

http://www.me.gov.ve/chavez_3.jpg
HELLO!

titanfan

10-01-2005, 12:15 PM

And why do you guys want to kill this guy so much if it doesn't matter?

I didn't say it doesn't matter, just that in terms of global politics, South America isn't a player.

And there are tons of people we want to kill....

Archyduke

10-01-2005, 01:36 PM

The Ultramarines, last seen as far as I know in Morrison's Justice League: Declassified arc, seemed to have a pretty international feel. Besides the already-mentioned Knight and Squire, they boasted Vixen, Olympian (appeared Greek), a kinda British-sounding Jack-o-Lantern themed guy, and a little Japanese-speaking girl capable of manifesting a big metal sumo fellow, among other members.

Eyeswithoutaface

10-01-2005, 02:11 PM

Also they probably just felt sorry for you when they found out you were Canadian, at least America is a real country.

Oh dear.

Is that what they're teaching in school these days?

Bat-Mite

10-01-2005, 04:58 PM

a kinda British-sounding Jack-o-Lantern themed guy

I believe Jack-o is supposed to be and sound Irish.

Petertime

10-02-2005, 11:20 AM

Also they probably just felt sorry for you when they found out you were Canadian, at least America is a real country.
:eek:
tell me this is meant in a "fun loving, just kidding" manner....

The Shadow

10-02-2005, 11:29 AM

:eek:
tell me this is meant in a "fun loving, just kidding" manner....
No kidding... :evilangry

Forsaken_One

10-02-2005, 02:02 PM

No kidding... :evilangry
Well it's only a bit worse than the poster he was responding too, who basically said "Hah, people born in one part of the world were treating me badly because they thought I was born in your part of the world, then they discovered I was born north of your part of the world and they treated me okay. So there, you suck!"

Bat-Mite

10-02-2005, 02:45 PM

Well it's only a bit worse than the poster he was responding too

Who in turn was replying to a slightly more rude post in the first place.

But then again, I tend to think the "I did cause you did it first" excuse is a bunch of crap.

Forsaken_One

10-02-2005, 03:37 PM

Who in turn was replying to a slightly more rude post in the first place.

But then again, I tend to think the "I did cause you did it first" excuse is a bunch of crap.
Granted, but no one was berating Dazzler for what s/he said.

And god damnit, I hate it when my mistype gives me the wrong "to." Stupid bloody laptop keyboard.

Bat-Mite

10-02-2005, 04:16 PM

Granted, but no one was berating Dazzler for what s/he said.

Other than Napoleon Blownapart? No. But then again, nobody was berating the guy Dazzler replied to, for all that it matters; which I believe, in both cases, is somewhere around zero.

davids

10-02-2005, 04:28 PM

what ever you call that oil can run by the castro want a be. {Why do these south american despots wear uniforms and look like Noreagia?"

Acording to Mad tv the 51st state will be Cuba. The next prsident will get drunk walk into the UN an announce that Cuba is now the 51st state"His drunkin ramblings will be, Any body got a problem with that?"

The French ambasador will protest until the presdient asked him to take it out side to settle the question. Being French he quickly answered no thank you and surrendered!

Paul Newell

10-02-2005, 06:32 PM

Y'know, no-one's actually discussed the topic in a long time...And some have just used it as an excuse to play the ol' game "My country can beat up your country." I can't see anyone continuing the original point so I'll just close this thread to disappoint those with Dad....uh....homeland issues.