The Official 'Smallville' Season 5 Thread! [Archive]

Loren

09-29-2005, 09:29 AM

The season premiere of Smallville is tonight at 8 pm (EST). This is opposite the season premiere of Alias, so if you're a fan of both shows, get a video recorder ready. (In my case, my brother has us tape 'The OC' for his fiancee, so I'll be taping two shows while watching one.)

Since this is Season 5, I have an initial comment on this year, before it even begins. During the show's first year, it was said that the creators had a 5-year map in mind for the show. Yet here we are, going into the fifth year, and Lex is still pretty much a good guy. Despite Michael Rosenbaum's performance, and despite the promise of an evolution into evil in the first and second seasons, Lex is still pretty much the same guy he was in Season 1. The promos have suggested that Lex is finally going to go bad this year, but I strongly hope it won't be a sudden turn of events.

And let's hope that this season doesn't bring with it anything like the 'Lana possessed by a medieval witch' storyline from last year.

But despite all the negatives, I keep watching because when the show gets something right, it gets it so right. The season finale involved the witch plot, the suddenly-psycho boyfriend, an inexplicable reaction to a meteor shower, and it continued to rely on some unclear aspects of the Kryptonian stones.

Then, in that final minute of the show, it had Clark in the Arctic, surrounded by snow. And as he threw the stone towards the horizon (and into the camera), so much of the above could be forgiven. Because while there was so much wrong with that episode, that final moment was perfect. Those are the moments that I keep watching for.

Loren

blackdragon6

09-29-2005, 09:33 AM

i was gonna make a season thread but changed my mind cause it seemed like people were burnt out on it.though i'll watch season 5 to see if its worth watching.

borateen

09-29-2005, 10:00 AM

I'll be watching it because of James Marsters. Otherwise I'd watch Joey with my wife, tape Alias, and watch the reruns of Smallville in the Summer.

Phil Clark

09-29-2005, 10:02 AM

I just finished re-watching the season 4 finale yesterday, and am hyped to see how it picks up the reigns tonight. I love the concept of "Everything you have been waiting to see will happen". I wonder it by the end of the season he dons the Blue, Red and Gold and takes off in a classic Superman pose.

And as too Lex... he has been a lying, manipulative player for a long while now. He still has a schredd of decency, which makes him more evil in my mind, but he is not a good guy. I think that once he finds out that Clark has been playing him just the way he has been playing Clark, that will be enough to send him over the edge and not feel too sudden.

VCreed32

09-29-2005, 10:11 AM

Yep, I remember those commercials about Lex 'turning to the Dark Side' years ago.
IIRC, it was for the ep when they were in the Daily Planet.

Amokitty

09-29-2005, 12:45 PM

I'm crossing my fingers to see the Fortress of Solitude.

Arune Singh

09-29-2005, 12:49 PM

My beef with the show is that nothing happens to these characters organically and they're reactive to everything. There's no sense of passion with these characters-- it just feels like they are treading water with the same character beats till everything changes at season's end (for no reason) and then becomes status quo at the beginning of the next (for no reason). It is quite infuriating to me that no one figured out Clark's secret and that he's always been such a prick to Lex. Was Lex perfect? No. But Clark has continually lied and manipulated Lex to his own ends, while somehow being the hero, while Lex has done the same and been labelled the villain. I remember how the first season showed Lex to be a somewhat decent guy and while Clark didn't have to spill it all, he didn't need to be such a prick.

Fast forward a year and Clark still won't tell anyone his secret (though Lana should have figured it out from the tornado stuff), even though Lana, Pete and Chlose have all proven to be tolerant of guys with weird powers. I like the idea that Clark feels guilty about her parents' deaths, but that was never complimented by any real character development of Lana. Hell, even Pete was under-utilized by the show and never had a real story.

That all brings me to my main problem: the characters act like plot points, with no real consistency and acting as the story demands to get from point A to point B. Few episodes haven't focused on Clark and if you're not going to move the character forward too much- which I understand- then don't focus on him all the time! My favorite episode is the S3 focus on Lex and his childhood as his father tries to mindwipe him... real emotions came out of that episode and you gained an appreciation for Lex.

With all that in mind, I'll check out this season to see if it can pick up the show and move past the S4 speed bump.

D_bot

09-29-2005, 01:01 PM

I'm crossing my fingers to see the Fortress of Solitude.

You don't need to worry about that. Here's the WB's description of tonight's episode.

http://thewb.warnerbros.com/web/show_episode.jsp?id=SM501

HomerJay

09-29-2005, 01:17 PM

And let's hope that this season doesn't bring with it anything like the 'Lana possessed by a medieval witch' storyline from last year.

Exactly why I stopped watching last season. I just couldn't bring myself to care (and still can't) about Lana's development.

You're absolutely right about how when the show DOES connect, it's a towering home run. The Flash episode last season absolutely kicked my ass. I just read in an interview with Welling where he said he's CONSTANTLY pushing for Bruce Wayne to appear to the point where the producers are getting sick of him asking. (I'd like to offer my services to write it as I think I have a kick-ass concept)

I'm going to start over with it again this year.

Cyclaud

09-29-2005, 01:32 PM

Im working late tonight and let me guess theres no encore showings as usual?

Steve

09-29-2005, 01:43 PM

Im working late tonight and let me guess theres no encore showings as usual?
Nope, no encore.

Arune Singh

09-29-2005, 03:11 PM

Exactly why I stopped watching last season. I just couldn't bring myself to care (and still can't) about Lana's development.

You're absolutely right about how when the show DOES connect, it's a towering home run. The Flash episode last season absolutely kicked my ass. I just read in an interview with Welling where he said he's CONSTANTLY pushing for Bruce Wayne to appear to the point where the producers are getting sick of him asking. (I'd like to offer my services to write it as I think I have a kick-ass concept)

I'm going to start over with it again this year.

See, I'd want that as a year long arc and the introduction of Bruce Wayne to be a bit more sinister than one might expect. As many have said previously, it'd be easy to introduce him- he could easily know Lex.

Of course, to REALLY mess with fans, they could have Christian Bale guest star and make it one of the places he visits upon returning to America, thereby tying it into the Begins film and creating even more controversy in the Welling vs Routh debate.

SnowTrooper

09-29-2005, 05:32 PM

You guys are lucky, I have UPN and they dont show Smallville until 11 because they want to start showing the news. I got school in the morning and I cant stay up until midnight, Smallville has been one of my favorite shows for a few years now and UPN is gonna take that away from me. DAMN YOU UPN!!!!

Not being able to watch Smallville makes me a Sad Panda.

Loren

09-29-2005, 09:03 PM

Thoughts on tonight's season premiere:

*SPOILERS*

- There's one way in which this season has a leg up over last season. Whereas last season's uber-plot was Lana being possessed by the ghost of a medieval witch, this season has Zod. There's simply no competition.

- Millar and Gough do so love the Superman movies. This episode was practically just Superman II done in 45 minutes.

- The creation of the Fortress of Solitude. Granted, it looked like a special effect, but it was effective nonetheless. Although I still don't like the notion that Krypton was basically an ice planet, and I hate the idea that it was in another galaxy.

- Note to the producers: if you want to make someone look cold, make it so that their breath is visible. That alone conveys 'cold' better than any amount of makeup.

- "Kal-El, you must return before the yellow sun sets. And that's Central Standard Time, even though we're in the Arctic."

- I'm still worried that they might be making Lex evil too fast. But at least they still seem to be pursuing it by having it turn on Lex's reactions to Clark's lies, which is a nice twist.

- How to tell comic Smallville fans from WB Smallville fans...comic fans got giddy at the appearance of the Phantom Zone; WB fans got giddy over Clark and Lana getting emotionally serious.

- Lana was actually pretty smart with the Kryptonite trick. For once, I gotta give her credit.

- And how long do you think 'powerless Clark' will last? I hope it's not simply undone next week. I don't want a repeat of last season, where every big change was undone in two episodes.

Overall, it raises my hopes for the season.

Tish-the-Scorpion

09-29-2005, 09:32 PM

it was ok,i'm still not fully convenced

Sean Whitmore

09-29-2005, 10:13 PM

Overall a good season premiere...but they've all been good. It's the rest of the season that always sucks.

Nice to see Lana step up and try to save the day, but would it have killed her to take the damn kryptonite out of the closet?

Lex is beginning his yearly slide into "a little less good than usual". Although I must admit, "you owe me one" is the coolest line he's ever had, even if it was written. :)

Is anyone else insanely pissed that we didn't get any fight between Clark and the Kryptonians? All that buildup and we get a damn tap on the chest? A little more "Angel" and little less "Dawson" in the formula would help wash this show down a lot.

The Lois/Clark banter is still particularly effective, knowing what we do about them.

Great ending. I'd forgotten Marsters was even in the episode, despite them spoiling that in the opening credits.

Dammit to hell. My hopes are up, like they are every year...just waiting to be dashed.

SEAN

VCreed32

09-29-2005, 10:35 PM

So of course I left out and didn't set the VCR. :(

Sean Whitmore

09-29-2005, 10:54 PM

So of course I left out and didn't set the VCR. :(

Keep watching for commercials...a lot of season/series premieres have been given encore presentations this season.

SEAN

Loren

09-29-2005, 11:27 PM

Overall a good season premiere...but they've all been good. It's the rest of the season that always sucks.

How disappointingly true. Last season had a great premiere, followed by three fairly bad episodes (including Krypto-Kool-Aid), two great episodes, and then a long string of bad ones.

Nice to see Lana step up and try to save the day, but would it have killed her to take the damn kryptonite out of the closet?

Eh, I'll cut her some slack. She was looking pretty addled when Lex found her, so at least she regained some of her wits to think up the scheme. And she probably didn't plan on the guy being able to replace the door.

Lex is beginning his yearly slide into "a little less good than usual". Although I must admit, "you owe me one" is the coolest line he's ever had, even if it was written. :)

I'm a little surprised that they included that, since they barely mentioned Jason or his mom's deaths otherwise. In fact, I wonder if Lana's year-long relationship with Jason will ever be mentioned again?

And there better be a payoff for that favor eventually. Loeb dragged out the 'Lois owes Luthor a favor' in the comics forever, and I didn't think the payoff was as good as it could have been.

Is anyone else insanely pissed that we didn't get any fight between Clark and the Kryptonians? All that buildup and we get a damn tap on the chest? A little more "Angel" and little less "Dawson" in the formula would help wash this show down a lot.

It did end awfully quickly, but I'm OK with it because I feel so certain that they'll return before season's end. And then we'll get a real fight.

The Lois/Clark banter is still particularly effective, knowing what we do about them.

Tom and Erica, IMO, have much better chemistry than Tom and Kristin. So even though I dislike Lois being a regular on the show, I end up liking the scenes with her better than the scenes with Lana. And it seriously irks me that they're apparently going to have Clark lose his virginity to Lana, when we all know how that's gonna end.

Great ending. I'd forgotten Marsters was even in the episode, despite them spoiling that in the opening credits.

I remembered, and kept wondering where he was up until those last moments. I often wish major guest stars' names were left for the end credits of shows, like Terrence Stamp's was when he first voiced Jor-El.

Xero Kaiser

09-30-2005, 12:02 AM

Although I still don't like the notion that Krypton was basically an ice planet, and I hate the idea that it was in another galaxy.

Krypton wasn't in another galaxy? how far away was it and why is that important? :confused:

CHEYENNE-BLACKBIRD

09-30-2005, 02:18 AM

Overall a good season premiere...but they've all been good. It's the rest of the season that always sucks.

SEANexactly smalville is really just a big tease.

borateen

09-30-2005, 07:02 AM

I was in total fanboy mode for the whole thing, so I really enjoyed it. If I watched it again in spectator mode I don't think I would have liked it as much.

Cool stuff:

Fortress
Zod's emmissaries (dude from Buffy plays an unemotional ass really well)
Brainiac
The "I've known for a while" talk between Chloe and Clark

Stuff that needs work now that I think about it:

Chloe's breath in the Arctic
How did Lex know where Chloe was?
The fight. That's it? That's ALL we get? Big build up, teeny tiny payoff.

When Clark was out of the Kryptonian learning thingy and helping Chloe, I kept getting the Luke/Yoda/Obi Wan vibe from his conversation with Jor-El. Yeah, there was a lot of Superman II there, but it looks like Empire was also thrown in just for good measure.

I'd say it was a solid premiere, but not the best of the year. I think I will say it was a tad better than Alias, though, which I recorded and watched after CSI.

Cybak

09-30-2005, 07:19 AM

The only thing I'm really disappointed in is the way that Luthor's "turn to the Dark Side" is going. He's not really that bad. Most of his anger and what seems to be the precursors for his turning bad are stemming from Clark being not so true with him. I understand Clark's apprehensions, but I want Lex to be evil just because not because he feels spurned or troubled by Clark's secrets.

Loren

09-30-2005, 08:11 AM

Krypton wasn't in another galaxy? how far away was it and why is that important? :confused:

Byrne put Krypton at 50 light years from Earth. There was a story in Action #600 when the Kryptonite radiation reached Earth. The animated series put Krypton as a similar distance.

The movie put Krypton in the "Xeno Galaxy" (IIRC), and Waid changed Krypton's location in "Birthright" to the Andromeda Galaxy.

Why is it important? Because putting it in a different galaxy stretches my suspension of disbelief (http://comicfacts.blogspot.com/2005/03/kryptonian-astrophysics-101.html) a little too far. The link explains my thoughts in more detail, but it really boils down to the fact that galaxies are really, REALLY huge. Much sci-fi (including Star Trek and the Legion) make it clear that travelling between galaxies is impractical to the point of impossibility.

So whereas Byrne's Jor-El sent his son to a relatively nearby planet that he could know something about, a Jor-El in another galaxy couldn't possibly know anything about a planet in our galaxy. And if you make him scientifically capable to send an automated ship to a target destination 2 million light years away, then it strains belief that Krypton wouldn't be able to save anyone else.

Phil Clark

09-30-2005, 08:43 AM

Personally I feel that Clark should forget Lana and go with Chloe. She is much more grounded with far less "problems" than Lana. It will be interesting to see how the whole Clark/Chloe thing plays out now that he knows that she knows his secret. How long until he tells Martha and Jonathan that she knows? Lex already knows that Chloe knows more than she lets on. He just hasn't put it together... yet...

wingsofdamnation

09-30-2005, 08:51 AM

im a bit confused. at the end of the episode the guy that came out of the ship was Zod right? or was it brainiac?

Sean Whitmore

09-30-2005, 09:20 AM

im a bit confused. at the end of the episode the guy that came out of the ship was Zod right? or was it brainiac?

That was Brainiac. Zod is all-powerful and wise, but even he can't form himself out of particles of goo. ;)

SEAN

Arune Singh

09-30-2005, 09:39 AM

Damn VCR! Didn't tape it right! AH!

Murrocko

09-30-2005, 10:13 AM

Questions about last season. One whatever became of the irish betting guy (know his name, just don't know how to spell it) and did lex show him? And two I remember there was a big thing going on with Lex and Clark and the Episode ended with Lex about to tell him why he did something (I think it was the Lana Coach thing), in to be continued fashion, but the next episode IIRC was that stupid witch barn party one. So did they ever follow up on those two stories???

Toonimator

09-30-2005, 10:56 AM

Byrne put Krypton at 50 light years from Earth. There was a story in Action #600 when the Kryptonite radiation reached Earth. The animated series put Krypton as a similar distance.

The movie put Krypton in the "Xeno Galaxy" (IIRC), and Waid changed Krypton's location in "Birthright" to the Andromeda Galaxy.

Why is it important? Because putting it in a different galaxy stretches my suspension of disbelief (http://comicfacts.blogspot.com/2005/03/kryptonian-astrophysics-101.html) a little too far. The link explains my thoughts in more detail, but it really boils down to the fact that galaxies are really, REALLY huge. Much sci-fi (including Star Trek and the Legion) make it clear that travelling between galaxies is impractical to the point of impossibility.

So whereas Byrne's Jor-El sent his son to a relatively nearby planet that he could know something about, a Jor-El in another galaxy couldn't possibly know anything about a planet in our galaxy. And if you make him scientifically capable to send an automated ship to a target destination 2 million light years away, then it strains belief that Krypton wouldn't be able to save anyone else.
Not to mention, why send your only child to another galaxy? Surely there'd be some life-supporting planets orbiting yellow stars in your own terrain. I suppose the justification is that humans were the only species that resembled Kryptonians (though I know at times it's been shown that Jor-El looked at Thanagar and Rann, among others, and Elseworlds were done based on that kinda stuff)

In the comics, in this post-Birthright era, far too many aliens seem to know about Kryptonians other than encounters with Superman, given they're from another galaxy. Really only the Guardians should know, and maybe some Lanterns.

The Phantom Zone portal was cool. I had hopes that the Kryptonians would fly, and the battle would be longer. I think it was intentionally short so it was clear to the audience, but NOT to Clark, that the Disciples were NOT the big darkness that Jor-El mentioned. So Clark would get comfy as a normal kid, while Brainiac plants some roots and becomes the big bad of the season. I also had hopes that Clark would fly, as he was losing his grip. WB hype DID say "everything you waited to see will happen" after all, and I wanna see me some flying!

I missed the preview last night, what's coming next? Given his non-powered state, I'd think Lex hitting him in the face giving him a bloody lip will come up soon, and probably Clark & Lana going all the way, partly to avoid a resurgence of Brodie-esque "Kryptonite condom" discussions that'd pop up if he had his powers, and partly because I think at this point he'd only be comfortable taking that step while he's "normal". Kudos to the writers if he DOES have superpowered sex instead, it'd hopefully mean he finally told Lana the full truth.

Loren

09-30-2005, 11:47 AM

Questions about last season. One whatever became of the irish betting guy (know his name, just don't know how to spell it) and did lex show him?

The guy was Mikhail Mxyzptlk, and I just learned what happened to that subplot the other day. From Kryptonsite's Rumor Page (http://www.kryptonsite.com/rumorville.htm):

One of the most popular plot elements in Smallville Season Four was the brief introduction at the end of "Jinx" to a Level 33.1, where it seemed Lex Luthor was collecting meteor freaks in a very Level Three kind of way.

Unfortunately, it sounds like the plotline of Level 33.1 may not be revisited. Here's a snippet from SFX Magazine, issue #135:

The assumption is that Lex had been gathering Krypto-freaks. It's an area the show will not be revisiting. "I never liked the idea," states Gough. "It was sort of scripted and ended up being shot and it seemed too comic book, so we never went back to it. Sometimes you do these things and you're, like 'Where do we go with that?' Neither Miles nor I were particularly high on it."

Things could change, but it looks like we won't be seeing that plot followed up on.

Super Samurai

09-30-2005, 12:03 PM

Pretty good episode. Nice to see James Marsters at the end.

riotgear

09-30-2005, 01:02 PM

I totally missed the first 15 minutes. How did Chloe get to the Arctic?

borateen

09-30-2005, 01:57 PM

I totally missed the first 15 minutes. How did Chloe get to the Arctic?

When Clark vanished at the end of last season, she was sucked along with him...I think.

SnowTrooper

09-30-2005, 02:38 PM

If anyone knows when there will be a rerun it would be great if you would post it.

Sean Whitmore

09-30-2005, 02:58 PM

The assumption is that Lex had been gathering Krypto-freaks. It's an area the show will not be revisiting. "I never liked the idea," states Gough. "It was sort of scripted and ended up being shot and it seemed too comic book, so we never went back to it."

Oh yeah, CHRIST FORBID.

Wouldn't want to take any time away from another Krypto-mutant episode.

SEAN

Toonimator

09-30-2005, 04:00 PM

Oh yeah, CHRIST FORBID.

Wouldn't want to take any time away from another Krypto-mutant episode.

Heh... I would've loved to see a proto-Legion of Doom formed by Lex "collecting" these super-powered beings, whether Krypto-mutants or not.

Yeah, can't have a comic book show have anything that makes it seem like a comic book! No, less comic book, more WB angst. :rolleyes:

Loren

09-30-2005, 04:19 PM

Not to mention, why send your only child to another galaxy? Surely there'd be some life-supporting planets orbiting yellow stars in your own terrain. I suppose the justification is that humans were the only species that resembled Kryptonians (though I know at times it's been shown that Jor-El looked at Thanagar and Rann, among others, and Elseworlds were done based on that kinda stuff)

Exactly. Why should the Milky Way Galaxy be filled with humanoid species, but the Andromeda Galaxy only have Kryptonians?

In fact, Waid attempted to address this in 'Birthright' by having Jor-El say that there were *no* other intelligent species in their galaxy. But that creates just a worse version of the above problem: the Milky Way has life on every third planet, but Andromeda managed to produce only a single intelligent species? C'mon.

In the comics, in this post-Birthright era, far too many aliens seem to know about Kryptonians other than encounters with Superman, given they're from another galaxy. Really only the Guardians should know, and maybe some Lanterns.

New Genesis should probably know, but I'm not even sure the Guardians ought to. They might call themselves the 'Guardians of the Universe,' but in practice they're pretty much restricted to our galaxy.

The Phantom Zone portal was cool.

So cool. Though I wish it hadn't turned into the Donner-esque mirror-panel. That always conveys to me that the Zone is more of a confined space, rather than a dimension all its own.

I missed the preview last night, what's coming next? Given his non-powered state, I'd think Lex hitting him in the face giving him a bloody lip will come up soon,

Probably. But the preview didn't really show much. All I remember is a shot of Lionel, still looking crazy.

Ontir

09-30-2005, 05:12 PM

Given the vast size of a galaxy like ours, and the inherent problems of just getting across it in any reasonable amount of time, I'm always amazed when writers choose to make a character from another galaxy. Why? There's no reason that Krypton couldn't have orbited a star on the exact other side of the galactic core from us. That's distant enough.

SPOILER

Beyond that, I was pretty happy with the opener. The Phantom Zone/Servants of Zod stuff was pretty cool, though the costumes could've been more interesting.

It's going to be interesting to find out how they're dealing with Brainiac. When I first heard he was going to show up, I thought he'd be in the black chevron spaceship, which to a lesser extent, he was, just not in the way I'd imagined. It is interesting that they seem to be heading toward the first Luthor/Brainiac team-up.

I was very happy to see Erica Durance added to the opening credits. She just nailed Lois from her first appearance, IMHO.

It should be a fun season!

Toonimator

09-30-2005, 05:51 PM

Exactly. Why should the Milky Way Galaxy be filled with humanoid species, but the Andromeda Galaxy only have Kryptonians?

In fact, Waid attempted to address this in 'Birthright' by having Jor-El say that there were *no* other intelligent species in their galaxy. But that creates just a worse version of the above problem: the Milky Way has life on every third planet, but Andromeda managed to produce only a single intelligent species? C'mon.

New Genesis should probably know, but I'm not even sure the Guardians ought to. They might call themselves the 'Guardians of the Universe,' but in practice they're pretty much restricted to our galaxy.

So cool. Though I wish it hadn't turned into the Donner-esque mirror-panel. That always conveys to me that the Zone is more of a confined space, rather than a dimension all its own.

Probably. But the preview didn't really show much. All I remember is a shot of Lionel, still looking crazy.
Bottom to the top: Crazy Lionel came off kinda interesting. Didn't that one guy that opened the caves get those eyes, too, before his brain shut down? It seems Crazy Lionel's also back to being good, in a way. He DID want to stop the Zoddites. One part of S4 that bugged me was the Black K episode where Lex split; besides giving a glimpse of a fully evil Lex, its only purpose seemed to be to get Lionel back to being a bad guy. I much preferred the intrigue of his apparent shift to good, whether he had some master plan or whether it was a true change. The Black K ep just seemed a cheap way to get him back to villainy, only to have him get zapped by the Kryptonian artifact.

I never really thought about the mirror representing a confined space before; besides the obviousness of the captives pressing against it. I just assumed, in the movie as well as here, that the Zone was a whole dimension, but they were bangin on the only window out of the Zone, even if they couldn't see what was on the other side.

Guardians. Not to delve too much into GL lore, but isn't it said they divided the whole UNIVERSE into 3600 sectors? The new Corps plans to have 2 GLs per sector, but that's still spreading 'em awfully thin given how many galaxies are in the universe. It never made much sense, especially given how often some of those GLs hang out together, and that nearly all the Earth GLs spend the vast majority of their time ON Earth, even Kyle back when he was supposed to be the sole protector of the cosmos. Anyhow, space geography in the DCU has never been my strong suit. It seems a lot of planets represented by prominent DC characters are turning out to be in other galaxies lately, if I was reading things correctly. I can't understand why so many worlds would be involved in that Rann/Thanagar war if certain planets are said to be in completely different galaxies; it's kinda ridiculous.

So's the idea that Andromeda has NO other sentient life. All things being equal, I guess there's just as great a chance a given galaxy has NO life at all as there is for one to be teeming with life in every other system. Just an odd choice, IMO. Maybe they just wanted to keep Superman (and now Kara) even MORE "special", just in case leaving Krypton in this galaxy enabled some writer down the line to create some Kryptonians that left before the disaster and settled on some other Milky Way planets, maybe took over a couple yellow-star worlds, and kept a low profile for awhile.

blackwing

10-01-2005, 03:58 AM

when i firsted watched smallville i thought it was going to be like "The New Adventures Of Superman" so i missed season 1 AND 2, Then one bored sunday afternoon i watched the repeats of 2 and was hooked. 3 was a good follow up but 4 was SHIT (except for bart, that guy with the ablitie to make you do things and the best episode when lex splits into 2) i'm in the uk so it has not aired yet it better be good this time

Ravenheart

10-02-2005, 06:12 AM

I've been hooked on this show ever since the first episode :D

cactusmaac

10-02-2005, 08:07 AM

Arune Singh

10-02-2005, 10:57 AM

You guy are arguing over the distance of Krypton from Earth?

...

Anyway, just saw the premiere and it was OK. Nothing mindblowing, but the show was at least internally consistent and set up some nice plots for the rest of the season. That said, some of the later episodes (stripper Lois, vampire Lana) inspire fear in me. And the dialogue is still atrocious and makes Whedon-speak seem natural by comparison.

Loren

10-02-2005, 12:07 PM

That is presuming that Krypton didn't develop a form of transportation that wasn't limited to lightspeed in regular 3D space or that they weren't capable of using advanced technology to examine life on very far-off planets.

As for why only Clark was sent, I presume it was because Jor-El's ostracism by the Science Council meant he had to work alone and in secret and only had the time and resources to save his son especially since no other Kryptonians believed their planet was in danger.

But it's the conflict between these two ideas that I find seriously problematic.

To assume that Krypton could develop trans-galactic travel is to give them a technological wizardry unmatched by anyone else in the DCU. Even in the Legion's time, nobody travels between galaxies (IIRC, "Legion Lost" was largely built around that limitation). It also assumes that they could know far more about Earth than they should for a planet 2 million light years away.

But when you go ahead and credit them with an obscene height of scientific knowledge, you then run up against the conceit that Jor-El was the only Kryptonian who figured out the risk presented to Krypton, and an entire planet full of super-scientists failed to notice. It requires Kryptonians to be simultaneously brilliance beyond compare and remarkably ignorant.

Plus, it requires one to believe that Krypton could have totally mastered space travel, but never really bothered to travel anywhere. If travelling between galaxies was within their power, travelling between planets would be like going to the store. Krypton should have colonized other worlds, or at least had explorers off-world when the disaster happened. And Waid's uninhabited Andromeda Galaxy just seems silly when stacked up against a heavily populated Milky Way.

Byrne, of course, solved this last problem with his genetic bond to Krypton. And my favorite explanation for why Krypton didn't act was in STAS, where the Science Council put too much faith in Brainiac, unaware that their own computer was capable of lying to them. They'd become complacent in their own inventions.

Finally, there's nothing to be gained by putting Krypton 2 million light years away in another galaxy, as opposed to having it closer. It only serves to make matters more complicated, without providing any dramatic or plot advantages in return. It pretty much rules out the possibility of Superman ever visiting his home planet, and it eliminates nice scenes like the one at the end of Superman Adventures #3.

cactusmaac

10-02-2005, 02:51 PM

I think it was implied in the Jor-El episode that Krypton was turning away from space travel. It's possible that political problems back home caused a turning away from outside exploration such that most of the tech they had was shut down and explorers were recalled. Since travel between Krypton and other planets was so easy, emigrants would have largely remained separate from native populations and not put down roots in their culture.

Since Clark had to come to Earth via spaceship and aged from being a baby to a toddler during the trip, it's unknown what level of tech Jor-El had access to. Obviously some form of FTL travel was employed because of the distance involved.

Given that Brainiac will be in this season, it's possible that they might be taking STAS route regarding Kryton's destruction after all.

It requires Kryptonians to be simultaneously brilliance beyond compare and remarkably ignorant.

Or it could have been that Zod had political allies who were pissed off at Jor-El for putting the kibosh on their boss, and they made it impossible for him to present his case fairly and openly and they actively shut down any corroborating research from third parties.

Slappy san

10-02-2005, 09:43 PM

Ryan K

10-03-2005, 08:54 AM

Decent first episode aside from the truly atrocious dialogue (especially Chloe's). The Fortress of Solitude speicla effects were really unneccesary but I can forgive that.

It was nice to see Forrest from Buffy. And I'm looking forward to the James Marsters/Braniac stuff.

Can't say I liked the new SUPER COOL SFX COOL EDITS version of the title sequence. I kind of always liked how the old title sequence was sort of small town Americaish (does that make sense). Nice to see Erica Durance as a regular though. She was the only thing that made Season 4 watchable in places.

Arune Singh

10-03-2005, 03:36 PM

From Television without Pity:

""Then be straight with me, for once," Lex says. It wins the coveted Gayest Look of the Episode. Gayest Line of All Time, perhaps. Lex puts his hand on Clark's shoulder. Come on, Clark. Didn't you at least bring back a gift for Lex from your trip? An ice dildo, perhaps? "If you're my friend," Lex says, with his hands on both of Clark's arms, "just tell me the truth." This won't end well. "Were you in the caves when the meteors hit?" Lex asks. Clark should just say, "Gulliblebaldmansayswhat?" "What?" "Exactly." "No," Clark lies. Your soul, Clark. I smell it burning. Lex exits, frustrated with his asshat "friend." You should go on Myspace.com or something, Lex. You'd find much cooler high-school-aged people to hang out with there."

So perfect.

I'm convinced that the writers on this show are giving up. Really. The Phantom Zone portal closes for no reason? The pull sucks up nothing but people? Clark thinks Jor-El is done with him? Doesn't even try returning to the Fortress? Forgets Chloe? Wow.

Sean Whitmore

10-03-2005, 03:42 PM

"Gulliblebaldmansayswhat?"

Genius. :D

SEAN

cactusmaac

10-03-2005, 03:42 PM

From Television without Pity:

I'm convinced that the writers on this show are giving up. Really. The Phantom Zone portal closes for no reason? The pull sucks up nothing but people? Clark thinks Jor-El is done with him? Doesn't even try returning to the Fortress? Forgets Chloe? Wow.

Meh. I got tired of the Twop recaps because every fifth line was gay this and gay that.

As for questions, it could be surmised that the portal was meant to close after somebody had been sent through it. Either that or it automatically shut after a certain period of time. Clark knew there wouldn't be any point getting back to the Fortress since the sun was already setting by the time he put the two Zodites away. As for Chloe she was still recovering, and he figured leaving her up there for an extra night woudn't do any harm.

Loren

10-03-2005, 04:26 PM

Meh. I got tired of the Twop recaps because every fifth line was gay this and gay that.

It's like slash for people who aren't creative enough to write their own stories.

As for questions, it could be surmised that the portal was meant to close after somebody had been sent through it. Either that or it automatically shut after a certain period of time.

I chalked it up to the latter. Not unlike the portal in Sliders, which was supposed to stay open for exactly one minute before closing.

Clark knew there wouldn't be any point getting back to the Fortress since the sun was already setting by the time he put the two Zodites away. As for Chloe she was still recovering, and he figured leaving her up there for an extra night woudn't do any harm.

And besides, what else could he do? It's unlikely that the hospital would release her into Clark's care less than a day after she'd been checked in. Allow her her bedrest.

On the other hand, I did think Martha Kent got out of the hospital unusually quickly. And Pa didn't seem to suffer any ill effects from being thrown down the hallway.

Ontir

10-03-2005, 06:25 PM

I think the issue of distance between Krypton and Earth is of relevence to the series, because it's been established that there's been a great deal of contact between the two worlds. They came and built the caves, Jor-el visited, and in fact sent his son to the Kents because he knew them to be people of good character who could be trusted to raise his son right. The power needs to go back and forth like that would be astronomical, even surpassing, hell, dwarfing the needs to break the light barrier. The suspension on my disbelief is sagging just a bit!

If they're going by the movie, which they seem to be doing, the reason that Kal-el alone was saved, is that Jor-el had built a proto-type when the council forced him to promise that he wouldn't continue his experiments or leave Krypton. He had a small finished ship, and promised that neither he, or his wife would leave Krypton, allowing the loophole to be the salvation of his son.

The_15th_Sven

10-04-2005, 08:06 PM

So yeah, don't watch Smallville myself, loved the first 2 seasons and then they moved it to Wednesdays and my friend who I always watched it with had youth group and long story short, I don't feel like spending a bunch of money to buy the seasons I've missed. But my dad does watch it but he missed the season premere and he wants to know who was in the ship that Lana found. If you could help me, it would be much apreciated.

Sean Whitmore

10-04-2005, 08:10 PM

But my dad does watch it but he missed the season premere and he wants to know who was in the ship that Lana found. If you could help me, it would be much apreciated.

Inside the ship were two Kryptonians--a man and a woman--who came to imprison Clark in the Phantom Zone. They were referred to as "disciples of Zod".

Also inside the ship (known or unknown by the Kryptonians, we cannot say) is Brainiac; this version being made up of liquid metal.

SEAN

brian2322

10-05-2005, 08:32 AM

Was the season opener supposed to be a really bad version of Superman 2 because it really killed the movie and any liking i had for the Smallville series

Ed Cunard

10-05-2005, 08:50 AM

Sean Whitmore

10-05-2005, 10:40 AM

Arune Singh

10-05-2005, 02:26 PM

Right now, I think Target is running a deal where you can pick up each season for $18.88.

The ship had two Kryptonians in it, who were then sent to the Phantom Zone.

The first two seasons (at max) are part of this deal- not the third. Same with GILMORE GIRLS.

Ryan K

10-05-2005, 02:27 PM

Yeah I made a special trip to the Target to see iof they had the third season for $18.88 when I saw the ad in the paper. Alas just the first two which I already own.

Arune Singh

10-05-2005, 02:27 PM

Something that stood out for me in this episode...the evil Kryptonian mentions that "they can't destroy" Clark. Since they were ready to dump him in the Zone, it's obvious that they weren't referring to some "hand's off" policy of Zod's. So they must have meant that they (the TWO of them) were physically unable to kill Clark.

So how invulnerable do you think Clark is? Pre-Crisis invulnerable, where literally nothing hurts him? Or Post-Crisis invulnerable, where all you have to do is hit him hard enough?

SEAN

I think this all adds fuel to the idea tha Jor-El is actually Zod. I think Zod is just post as Clark's father to distance him from humanity by degrees (the powers, the threat of removing the parents, etc) and then turn him into a weapon to conquer the universe.

Sean Whitmore

10-05-2005, 02:37 PM

I think this all adds fuel to the idea tha Jor-El is actually Zod. I think Zod is just post as Clark's father to distance him from humanity by degrees (the powers, the threat of removing the parents, etc) and then turn him into a weapon to conquer the universe.

It does beg the question though: why bother? There's nothing Clark can do that Zod wouldn't be able to once he shows up. And if he's manipulating Clark into freeing him from some kind of imprisonment or something (my guess), why couldn't the two disciples have done it?

SEAN

Arune Singh

10-05-2005, 03:48 PM

It does beg the question though: why bother? There's nothing Clark can do that Zod wouldn't be able to once he shows up. And if he's manipulating Clark into freeing him from some kind of imprisonment or something (my guess), why couldn't the two disciples have done it?

SEAN

Wait... you're looking for logic in Smallville?

Poor poor Sean. ;)

Seriously, perhaps the disciples can't unlock some secret because they're not prt of the El clan or something contrived like that. I doubt that Jor El would be portrayed as this kind of manipulative bastard, but since Clark is an elitist prick in the show, I guess it's possible. Maybe Jor-El set up the phantom zone so only Clark could open it and free Zod?

cactusmaac

10-05-2005, 03:57 PM

Something that stood out for me in this episode...the evil Kryptonian mentions that "they can't destroy" Clark. Since they were ready to dump him in the Zone, it's obvious that they weren't referring to some "hand's off" policy of Zod's. So they must have meant that they (the TWO of them) were physically unable to kill Clark.

So how invulnerable do you think Clark is? Pre-Crisis invulnerable, where literally nothing hurts him? Or Post-Crisis invulnerable, where all you have to do is hit him hard enough?

SEAN

Or because Zod would want to kill the son of Jor-El himself.

Sean Whitmore

10-05-2005, 04:14 PM

Seriously, perhaps the disciples can't unlock some secret because they're not prt of the El clan or something contrived like that.

Makes about as much sense as anything else. :)

Or because Zod would want to kill the son of Jor-El himself.

I hope so. I just don't want this to turn into one of those Silver Age stories where Superman fights an evil Kryptonian only to discover: "I can't hurt him! Our powers are too similar! Fighting is pointless!"

SEAN

Sean Whitmore

10-06-2005, 10:09 PM

Wow, two good episodes in a row! I guess they're really set on getting our hopes up before they dash them again. :)

I love stories where Superman loses his powers in general, but it's an extra special treat on this show. It's the only time they deviate from their standard plot formula: Clark and Chloe spend 20 minutes tracking down the bad guy and then Clark slaps him once.

The scene with Clark and Lex at the end was awesome, and a long time coming. I find it hilarious that the WB was advertising this episode as the one where Clark and Lana finally have sex, because that was the part I cared least about.

I'm blanking on my Smallville continuity here...is this "Level 3" they're talking about the same place Lex took Mxyzptlk last season? I know the writers didn't want to revisit that plot (fools! :mad: ), I just can't seem to remember where a Level 3 has been mentioned before.

SEAN

Loren

10-06-2005, 10:20 PM

I'm blanking on my Smallville continuity here...is this "Level 3" they're talking about the same place Lex took Mxyzptlk last season? I know the writers didn't want to revisit that plot (fools! :mad: ), I just can't seem to remember where a Level 3 has been mentioned before.

Level 3 first got mentioned in the first season episode "Jitters." A LuthorCorp janitor had been assigned to clean Level 3, and his time there affected him physically. It was some kind of secret area that experimented with Kryptonite. I think the Nicodemus Flower might have come from there. Lex denied it existed, but it turned out to be real, and I think it got blown up at one point.

Pariah128

10-07-2005, 02:08 AM

I liked the episode, but is anybody else annoyed at the way clark acts to lex? dont get me wrong: lex was the one at fault here, but clark acts like hes seriously convinced himself he's always been normal, when he hasnt..and honestly lex has a damn good reason to not trust clark, hes done a craptastic job at covering up his secret, why wouldnt lex question him? how many times has clark broken into high security places? atleast a couple times a season, and theres a handful of those times lex knew about it, and thats just of tip of the iceberg of clark doing weird stuff that cant be explained

the krypto freaks were pretty decent, it was kind of cool to hear of the rep clark has in belle reeve, im surprised he hasnt thought of sending meteor freaks after clark earlier, its lex's luck he'd pick the week clarks powerless, next weeks ep looks good, but honestly? i could of done without the preview of clark flatlining, sorry: we all know they wont be killing off superman, showing that just made the episode predictable

VCreed32

10-07-2005, 07:11 AM

I was wondering if Lana was going to kill again and was dissappointed. :(

Arune Singh

10-07-2005, 09:56 AM

I wanted to hate this episode, because so much of it bothered me, but I really enjoyed it. I actually rooted for Clark this time.

The idea of Clark starting his own legend is PERFECT and I think it reinforces the idea that he can neverbe Superman effectively- too many people know about him. It was nice to see Lem (From The Shield) do this role and he seemed to have fun. I just think that this could have been a two parter EASILY and really explored the emotions here. Lex was actually evil and there's no justification. None. But Clark... he's a bit of a prick. The guy has lied to Lex and pretending he hasn't... just annoys me.

I'm also really annoyed that Lex has learned the secret at least twice and been conveniently mind wiped. This show has a serious issue with false jeopardy- from the fake death of Chloe to the Clark going evil every season... it really gets old after a while because the stakes aren't there. Lex won't learn the secret, so his quest becomes infuriating, because the show won't let him go there. Clark won't die, because he's got the Deus Ex Cave. It's a bit ridiculous.

That all said, I did enjoy the episode and taken in the context of things, this season is looking strong.

Q: Didn't Lex help Chloe fake her death last season and protect her? Shouldn't she NOT be so angry?

Erik Lehnsherr

10-07-2005, 10:04 AM

Well Chloe and Clark carry this episode with wit and stragedy the whole way through. But the big eye opener is that Lex is finally outed and revealed as a straght villain. After 4 years, it's Clark vs Lex for the long term. Damn! It should of been harder for Chloe and Clark to figure out it was him but oh well. Go Lex Go!

Toonimator

10-07-2005, 10:24 AM

I was wondering if Lana was going to kill again and was dissappointed.
Ha! So was I. She grabbed the nail gun and I thought "here it comes, but this time it'll be her and not the witch!"... then she just dropped the gun! I was expecting her to fire it at Electro-dude when he ran in.

Ah well.

Clark was acting like a jerk at the end, but boy was it a long time coming what happened to Lex! The handling of "the secret" has always been pretty poor, but I guess that comes with a universe in which Smallville is plagued by super-powered threats every week. In the DCU, or DCAU, where Clark lives a NORMAL life & just uses his powers for farm chores & taking Lana for a flight & such, pretty easy to keep the secret.

I liked the twins first activation of their powers, banging fists together Zan & Jayna style, then Electro-guy calling 'em the Wonder Twins later on :) Loved the bits with Clark coming up with all the typical movie "security bypasses" for Chloe to magically pull off, with her reality checks that it'd take hours to rig something up with her own equipment, and getting upset and claustrophobic in the airducts... and then coming up with a plan that was obvious to distract the electro-guy, which lent A LOT of credibility to it, a place where predictability worked out for the audience, and then remembering Chloe's words and cutting off the power. It was nice to see Clark use his brain more than brawn for a change... and equally nice to see even without powers, he can block a punch & throw an effective one himself.

VCreed32

10-07-2005, 10:30 AM

Ah, Lemansky.
I was wondering who that was and where I knew him from.

Heh, speaking of Wonder Twins, when they first touched hands... well, you know what I was expecting.
Clark also said he had a fear of heights.

Murrocko

10-07-2005, 10:52 AM

Lex should have fucking owned Clark in that fight.

Pariah128

10-07-2005, 02:21 PM

Lex should have fucking owned Clark in that fight.

It wasnt really a fight, clark came in and punched lex twice, in lex's defense he probably wasnt expecting that, then when clark told him to fight back lex easily blocked his punches, i guess being trained by an ex marine will do that, i was however surprised that clark was able to take out that electro guy tho, clarks a big guy but that guy was bigger

VCreed32

10-07-2005, 03:14 PM

Never underestimate farmhands.

Sean Whitmore

10-07-2005, 05:06 PM

But Clark... he's a bit of a prick. The guy has lied to Lex and pretending he hasn't... just annoys me.

It really seems like he's channeling Silver Age Superman sometimes. :)

Clark: "See, Lois? I proved I wasn't Superman and humiliated you in front of the whole city. You stupid, stupid, dumb female. Now go back me a pie."

SEAN

Arune Singh

10-07-2005, 05:22 PM

It really seems like he's channeling Silver Age Superman sometimes. :)

Clark: "See, Lois? I proved I wasn't Superman and humiliated you in front of the whole city. You stupid, stupid, dumb female. Now go back me a pie."

SEAN

That's what bothers me. There are so many GOOD things about the show, such as the Chloe/Clark banter ("Pete got to see your spaceship?"), Lex's evolution (I still contend that the Luthors are the only rounded characters on the show) and the inclusion of some fun guest stars. But Im confused by Clark and Lana, who is the most inconsistent character I've ever seen.

Also, besides looking hot, what is the point of Lois being on the show? What has she done that Chloe couldn't have done? Or Pete, in terms of aiding Clark?

Sean Whitmore

10-07-2005, 05:49 PM

Also, besides looking hot, what is the point of Lois being on the show? What has she done that Chloe couldn't have done? Or Pete, in terms of aiding Clark?

I'm always defending Lois in the comics, I'll do so on the show, too. ;)

The Lois/Clark sniping was about all that got me through last season. Before this episode, I didn't really feel Clark and Chloe had any banter. Chloe was a motormouth and Clark dumbly sat back and took in the information. Even when Chloe made the occasioinal dig at Clark's expense, his remarks were all of the "ha, ha, very funny" variety.

It wasn't until Lois and her roun-the-clock insults that Clark began to develop a backbone and a sense of humor. Plus, Lois didn't seem to put Clark in the same "box" that Chloe and Lana did (since they've known him forever), and was constantly challenging him. One of my favorite scenes from last season (which was, ironically, at the end of one of the worst episodes) was where Lois talked Clark into the dunk tank at school. That was the first time I remember seeing Welling act like a real teenage boy, and I think it was thanks to the "friendly rivalry" with Lois.

SEAN

cactusmaac

10-08-2005, 11:12 AM

In terms of plot, Lois doesn't do much.

But Durance is an actress with a lot of natural charm and a sense of humour, and having her in episodes makes them a lot more fun.

Pariah128

10-08-2005, 01:08 PM

Im gonna laugh at lana if clark dumps her when he gets his powers back..or..would anyone else be surprised if lana ended up dumping clark when she finds out his secret? and that chloe knows and stuff? i can see lana as the type to do that

Ive heard rumors that lex actually might find out the secret by seasons end, and with a rumored brainiac/lex team (which i thinks inevitable) it would make sense

anyone else find it weird seeing spike with black hair

Erik Lehnsherr

10-08-2005, 03:47 PM

Arune Singh

10-09-2005, 11:23 PM

bigman45

10-13-2005, 07:08 PM

this show just gets better and better each week .. he got his powers back i mean my god man this got to be one of the best shows on tv right now other then "lost" :eek: i wonder who is going to die ?? i bet its mr kent .. or maybe the mother ... .. and now the got one of the JLA on the show .. hot damn

Super Samurai

10-13-2005, 07:20 PM

Chloe is probably the one going to die. And um how does Clark explain the burning clothes and his resurrection to Lana.

VCreed32

10-13-2005, 08:23 PM

Another vote for Chloe, Lana will find out.

Arune Singh

10-13-2005, 09:27 PM

Wow.

That was one of the MOST retarded hours of television in recent memories. Wow.

1. Clark didn't "choose" to lose his powers: Jor El just took them away. That's why Clark was surprised when he bled. Clark "chose" not to find out why.

2. Could Clark ever talk about telling Lana, without being vague? Really, there's no reason not to tell her, since I don't she'd blame him for the death of her fake parents. Hell, Lana even put up with Adam for some time.

3. Clark explained his resurrection? HOW? Seriously, he would HAVE to be checked up again and would have no scar. So, Lana, how were his vitals normal?

4. Why did Clark lose his powers? Did Jor El have any discernable motivation?

5. Why does Lana hate Lex? Because he tried to get the crystal? THAT is why he's now evil incarnate? C'mon...

6. The whole town knows about Clark coming back to life and no one is asking questions?

Minor complaint: Where was the James Marsters scene that was previewed?

The sex talk was funny and I liked the whole Lionel-as-JorEl-Moment.

West Mantooth

10-14-2005, 07:17 AM

That episode was soooo sweet. I was expecting Clark to run around the Earth any second.

1. I don't think Lex has really gone that evil. Hiding his true motives from people is his whole thing since second season. The guy is bad mouthing the man Lana loves and plotting behind their backs is why things have turned so sour.

2.They kind of acknowledged that whatever excuse he gave doesn't make sense, but she only sees what she want to. Clark mentioned he doesn't know how he'll hide the lack of a scar when she sees him. The whole thing about the town asking questions falls under IT'S FREAKIN' SMALLVILLE where all kinds of weird stuff happens(it would be nice for people to whisper about it)

3. That was one of the best motives for a villian of Smallville.

KenK

10-14-2005, 07:35 AM

2.They kind of acknowledged that whatever excuse he gave doesn't make sense, but she only sees what she want to. Clark mentioned he doesn't know how he'll hide the lack of a scar when she sees him. The whole thing about the town asking questions falls under IT'S FREAKIN' SMALLVILLE where all kinds of weird stuff happens(it would be nice for people to whisper about it).

Yeah, Clark's resurrection is hardly the strangest thing to happen in this town. Even Lionel was cured of terminal cancer. Not to mention the superpowered freaks from last week. Clark surviving a gunshot wound probably isn't worth batting an eyelash over for these people.

The "talk" with John and Clark was pretty damn funny! He was PISSED! And Chloe's reaction was hysterical.

VCreed32

10-14-2005, 07:35 AM

Oh yeah.

THE JUMP!

Pariah128

10-14-2005, 08:51 AM

See, here's something else that bothered me, adding to my belief that Clark is a self-righteous prick: He knows that Lex would be ok with the secret. When Lex found out and was put away, he showed SO much understanding towards Clark and all he asked for was help in a tough situation. Did Clark help? Nope. He even thought it'd be good to see Lex mindwiped.

Wrong. First of all, when lex found out his state of mind wasnt normal, he had been HEAVILY drugged by his father, he was having hallucinations after all

and clark did NOT want to see him get mindwiped, he visited lex..lex wanted clark to break him out and clark refused, once clark found out about the mindwipe he broke in to try to free lex

Lex in his normal state of mind has proven to be an untrusting bastard who would probably exploit/study clark

Arune Singh

10-14-2005, 09:47 AM

Yeah, Clark's resurrection is hardly the strangest thing to happen in this town. Even Lionel was cured of terminal cancer. Not to mention the superpowered freaks from last week. Clark surviving a gunshot wound probably isn't worth batting an eyelash over for these people.

The "talk" with John and Clark was pretty damn funny! He was PISSED! And Chloe's reaction was hysterical.

Pointing out that the show is consistently stupid doesn't make this episode less retarded. I see your point, but with Clark as the epicenter of most weird stuff, you'd HAVE to see red flags now. All super powered folk are treated as "freaks," so if people had reason to suspect Clark, which they do, then he should be ostracized. The story of a studly football star, who gets the girl and has super powers isn't compelling without some real conflict, and in Clark's case, it all feels like he's a whiny brat.

Super Samurai

10-14-2005, 01:47 PM

4. Why did Clark lose his powers? Did Jor El have any discernable motivation?

Oh you know alien parents, stict as hell. :p

But maybe he was trying to teach Clark a lesson, like the old saying"There's no such thing as a free lunch". Yeah pretty crappy saying, but thats all I could think of now.

Arune Singh

10-14-2005, 05:29 PM

I put money on either Chloe dying to inspire Lois or Pete dying, because that's the kind of cop out that we'd see in SMALLVILLE.

Ontir

10-14-2005, 05:42 PM

I said from the beginning, that you create an original character like Chloe Sullivan so you can kill her off, without hurting continuity. With Jor-el's pronouncement last night, this seems further supported. Additionally, I'm positive that Allison Mack was sitting a row forward, and seven seats to the right during a screening of Wallace & Gromit: in the Curse of the Were-Rabbit last friday. An odd time for a regular on a show shot in Canada to be in LA!

I doubt would be Pete, because he's a "real" comic character who still exists in the Superman cast, as opposed to just Superboy, but given that the character's been almost completely un-mentioned since the actor left the show - until the last two episodes - that could hint at a cop-out.

Ontir

10-14-2005, 05:48 PM

I have to add, that I like what they're doing with Lex, and his "turn." It isn't so much that he's "going bad," as that he's being incfreasingly isolated, and he IS correct in his assertion that he's being lied to, while everyone he tries to clue into the truth, basically turns the tables on him. I think they're setting the stage for a somewhat emotionally befuddled Lex, who can no longer trust anyone, and isn't really sure what he knows, as opposed to what he can prove. Add to this, his re-interpretation of the cave-myth, that the one everyone thinks is the hero is the villain, and vice-versa, and his statement that any mortal man who would stand up to someone so powerful, must really be something, and we've got a more complex arch-nemesis in Mr. Luthor!

Sean Whitmore

10-14-2005, 10:13 PM

That was no jump! He flew, goddamit! And don't nobody better try n' tell me different! :D

It's funny, but Smallville seems to have the exact opposite problem as Lois and Clark. That show began to fizzle once the two main characters actually got together. This show was fizzling up until the two main characters got together. :) Suddenly I don't hate the scenes Clark and Lana share anymore.

I don't think Lex has SUDDENLY become evil. (I also don't think "evil" is the right word, but it gets the point across, so I'll use it) I think he's been "evil" for at LEAST a year now. The difference is that he's grown weary of hiding it. The "I want nothing more than to be your friend" facade hasn't worked for awhile now, so 'eff it, time to ditch it.

I'm confused about how well-known the meteor-freaks are outside of Smallville. This military guy and his son were obviously a bit round the bend, but if the government officially recognizes the existence of super-powered mutants, shouldn't Kansas be cordoned off by a military blockade or something?

And I think ANYONE could possibly be the loved one who dies (assuming of course they don't cop-out to the whole thing by having Clark defeat "Joe-El" first). The idea that Smallville can, under ANY circumstances, synch up accurately with any Superman universe we know is sheer folly. Just CANNOT happen. That being the case, then hell, Lana or Lois could die.

I hope they don't screw up Aquaman. I'm not trying to be pessimistic, it's just....it is SOOOO easy to screw up Aquaman.

SEAN

Nick Kal

10-14-2005, 11:05 PM

I haven't watched Smallville in almost a year and I watched it last night...

Clark had no powers, him and Lana were doing the do and then he dies...

I laughed long and hard during the musical ending where Lana and Clark reunited...

Awful.

DF2506

10-14-2005, 11:55 PM

I just saw last weeks episode last night (taped it. I was at work on the night it was on). And..

I liked it. IMO, this season of Smallville, SO FAR, is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better then last season. I say, so far, because you know...season 4 did have an interesting start (of course it went down hill VERY fast).

I've liked all the episodes of this season so far.

Now, I'm not saying its the best thing ever. Cause its not. Nor is it quiete up to season 1-3 standards yet. But its close.

I'm liking the direction of the show. Though I do hope they throw us a curve and kill off somebody other then Chloe (cause I think just about everybody expects them to do it). Hmm. You know, Jonathen did die in the Superman movie! Maybe they'll kill him off! That would be shocking...

Anyway, its a good season so far. Its entertaining. I actually look forward to the episodes (unlike some of last seasons. Please let them go on forgetting the Witch plot. I just hope they keep forgetting that. I really do).

Ya, Alias and Lost are a million times better then Smallville. Heck, there are alot of shows that are. But, I enjoy Smallville, so I'll keep watching.

DF2506
" Heck, I think its going to get even better when James Marsters starts interacting with Clark and co! Also: looking forward to the Aquaman episode. The Flash episode last season was really good! "

Peter

10-15-2005, 05:37 AM

I have a Smallville question, and I'm looking for some advice from you guys on this one.

The Australian networks haven't shown an episode of Smallville beyond the second season (I think. The last episode I remember watching was one immediately after the tornado attack on the city, and Pa Kent was stuck under a fallen house with psycho-journalist who Lex killed and inadvertantly silenced).

But I know Target is selling the season-by-season DVD sets, so I'm wondering -- are they worth getting? Seriously, I used to love the show (and Australian censors are insane, and would always chop out the violence of fight scenes and stuff, which annoyed me).

I also heard that Shawn Ashmore's character -- who appeared as a kryptonite-mutant-villain in one of the earlier episodes -- eventually returned. Feel free to spoil me, here -- did he return, and was his character killed? If that last question gets me a "yes", then that will be enough to make up my mind.

Pariah128

10-15-2005, 08:57 AM

The Australian networks haven't shown an episode of Smallville beyond the second season (I think. The last episode I remember watching was one immediately after the tornado attack on the city, and Pa Kent was stuck under a fallen house with psycho-journalist who Lex killed and inadvertantly silenced).

Yeah, thats the first episode of the 2nd season

But I know Target is selling the season-by-season DVD sets, so I'm wondering -- are they worth getting? Seriously, I used to love the show (and Australian censors are insane, and would always chop out the violence of fight scenes and stuff, which annoyed me).

Season 2 and 3 are definitely worth getting, season 2 was especially good and season 3 has a nice dark edge to it

I also heard that Shawn Ashmore's character -- who appeared as a kryptonite-mutant-villain in one of the earlier episodes -- eventually returned. Feel free to spoil me, here -- did he return, and was his character killed? If that last question gets me a "yes", then that will be enough to make up my mind.

He returned in one episode in season 3 where a bunch of meteor freaks try to bust out of belle reeve( insane asylum) the plan was get clarks powers so he can break out, he gets the powers..beats on clark, clark baits him into rushing at him, clark has green k..they get switched back..but in the end he's still alive

VCreed32

10-15-2005, 10:00 AM

Hmm. You know, Jonathen did die in the Superman movie! Maybe they'll kill him off! That would be shocking...You aren't the only one that thought of that.

cactusmaac

10-15-2005, 01:45 PM

Wow.

That was one of the MOST retarded hours of television in recent memories. Wow.

1. Clark didn't "choose" to lose his powers: Jor El just took them away. That's why Clark was surprised when he bled. Clark "chose" not to find out why.

He chose. He was told he had to be back at the Fortress by sunset and chose not to return.

2. Could Clark ever talk about telling Lana, without being vague? Really, there's no reason not to tell her, since I don't she'd blame him for the death of her fake parents. Hell, Lana even put up with Adam for some time.

Dream sequence from prior seasons. Plus Lana seems a lot more freaked out by the concept of aliens than Chloe does. And it is unknown how she'd react to knowing Clark inadvertently caused the death of her parents.

3. Clark explained his resurrection? HOW? Seriously, he would HAVE to be checked up again and would have no scar. So, Lana, how were his vitals normal?

Lots of freaky things happen in Smallville.

4. Why did Clark lose his powers? Did Jor El have any discernable motivation?

Clark didn't do what he was told.

5. Why does Lana hate Lex? Because he tried to get the crystal? THAT is why he's now evil incarnate? C'mon...

She's beginning to realise he sees people as the means to his ends. Plus she's a little disgusted he would say she was hallucinating in order to keep his hands on the spaceship.

6. The whole town knows about Clark coming back to life and no one is asking questions?

Who else would have known besides the medical staff and maybe the sherrif?

Really good episode. Looking forward to seeing how the season progresses.

Those scenes with Clark dying were really powerful. And Jor-El as Linel Luthor?

Very interesting.

Arune Singh

10-15-2005, 04:13 PM

"He chose. He was told he had to be back at the Fortress by sunset and chose not to return."

But he didn't specifically choose to lose his powers. It's a retcon.

"Dream sequence from prior seasons. Plus Lana seems a lot more freaked out by the concept of aliens than Chloe does. And it is unknown how she'd react to knowing Clark inadvertently caused the death of her parents."

She hasn't shown concern for those "Fake" parents or her "real" parents for almost 2 seasons. And she was ok with Adam, who was crazy.

"Clark didn't do what he was told."

... is not a discernable motivation for Jor-El. It is the instigating act, but not the rationale.

"She's beginning to realise he sees people as the means to his ends. Plus she's a little disgusted he would say she was hallucinating in order to keep his hands on the spaceship."

I'd buy that, except she hated him after the meteor shower too and the whole crystal thing hardly seems cause for "hate."

"Who else would have known besides the medical staff and maybe the sherrif?"

Someone could have EASILY talked to the news, as it would be newsworthy, and even then, Clark has to go back for a check up... WITH NO SCAR. So it makes his fake bandage moot, as Lana, looking through Clark's medical records, would learn that there was no scar... of course, this brings up the point of how they could test his invulnerable skin and how Clark explained being so dirty and being gone from the hospital, but applying logic to this show is useless.

Loren

10-15-2005, 06:16 PM

"Dream sequence from prior seasons. Plus Lana seems a lot more freaked out by the concept of aliens than Chloe does. And it is unknown how she'd react to knowing Clark inadvertently caused the death of her parents."

She hasn't shown concern for those "Fake" parents or her "real" parents for almost 2 seasons.

Over two seasons, in fact. I don't think Henry Small has been mentioned at all since Season 2. Lana's Aunt Nell hasn't appeared since midway through Season 2, and she might have been brought up in conversation, at the most, a couple of times since then.

Meanwhile, Lana continues to rent out a single apartment, despite having no discernable source of income. You'd think Nell would care that her high-school niece spent the last year living alone.

And she was ok with Adam, who was crazy.

And with Whitney, who was a huge jerk. And with Jason, who was evil.

Arune Singh

10-15-2005, 06:23 PM

And with Whitney, who was a huge jerk. And with Jason, who was evil.

In those cases, you can argue that Lana didn't know the nature of those guys till it was over, but with Adam, she knew he was a "freak" and stood by him... till he got lost on flight 815. ;) Seriously, until he tried to kill her, she never seemed that freaked out by it all and tried to work with him to help his situation.

cactusmaac

10-15-2005, 10:53 PM

But he didn't specifically choose to lose his powers. It's a retcon.

The act of disobeying Jor-El was going to have consequences. It's like a teenager being grounded for a month for taking the car without permission. They didn't specifically choose to be grounded but they made the decision to act as they did.

She hasn't shown concern for those "Fake" parents or her "real" parents for almost 2 seasons. And she was ok with Adam, who was crazy.[/quoe]

Still doesn't mean she wouldn't be upset.

[quote]
... is not a discernable motivation for Jor-El. It is the instigating act, but not the rationale.

The motivation would be that Kal-El has a destiny, a destiny that can only be fulfilled by obeying Jor-El. Disobediance can simply not be tolerated.

I'd buy that, except she hated him after the meteor shower too and the whole crystal thing hardly seems cause for "hate."

Lex's concern for her wellbeing seemed somewhat overshadowed by his concern for the crystal.

Someone could have EASILY talked to the news, as it would be newsworthy, and even then, Clark has to go back for a check up... WITH NO SCAR. So it makes his fake bandage moot, as Lana, looking through Clark's medical records, would learn that there was no scar... of course, this brings up the point of how they could test his invulnerable skin and how Clark explained being so dirty and being gone from the hospital, but applying logic to this show is useless.

They guy is an adult. There is no law that would require him to go back for a check-up.

And applying logic to Superman or any other superhero is an exercise in futility.

Arune Singh

10-16-2005, 01:10 AM

I'm trying to apply logic to this series, which is terribly internally inconsistent. All I'm asking is that the show play by the rules that it sets and it hasn't. There's no jeopardy on this show, none in the slightest, because it always goes back to status quo, with nary a reference to the past.

Peter

10-16-2005, 05:40 AM

Yeah, thats the first episode of the 2nd season

Season 2 and 3 are definitely worth getting, season 2 was especially good and season 3 has a nice dark edge to it

Thanks. I'm -- if nothing else -- a sucker for continuity, and the 'Flash' episode almost seems too good to be true :).

He returned in one episode in season 3 where a bunch of meteor freaks try to bust out of belle reeve( insane asylum) the plan was get clarks powers so he can break out, he gets the powers..beats on clark, clark baits him into rushing at him, clark has green k..they get switched back..but in the end he's still alive

*nods*

That's good.

The thing that really bothered me about Smallville -- beside the writing, which was completely schitzophrenic at times -- was the underlying message that it's okay for Clark to have powers, but if *any* normal teenager got superpowers, they'd *automatically* go crazy and turn into a complete psychopath, often within a matter of minutes. That really bothered me. Shawn Ashmore's character was a guy who I was cheering for, for most of the episode.

Edit -- I mean, a *lot* of those kids were fairly sympathetic characters, but the writers used them as an excuse for Clark to beat people up. Always bothered me.

West Mantooth

10-16-2005, 06:17 AM

Yeah logic is far between on this show, but that's with any show. Alias is so retarded that is not even funny. How could Sid work with Sloan ever again except at the will of writers.

I see consequences coming this season. Every season before had an episode where Clark lost his powers and Lex was able to hurt him and stop speculation about him for a while. Now, Lex knows that Clark is lying and is determined to find out. Lex has alienated himself from everyone and is probably going to kill Lionel and take over LutherCorp.That's jeopardy in my humble opinon if it happens.

Plus, the whole point of this show is for us to believe that a man would fly around in a costume. With it becoming more and more difficult to hide the Kal-el side from the Clark side, it seems to be moving towards the eventual "This looks like a job for Superman"

With all that said, I hope this is the last season so it can end on a high note. I hate when good series end badly. cough Alias.

Pariah128

10-16-2005, 10:57 AM

Whats even more surprising is belle reeve is chalked full of mutants as a result of the kryptonite, yet not one credible doctor or gov. agency have even bothered to study the meteor rocks? if someone in a smalltown in kansas exhibited for instance..the ability to shoot electricity out of their hands? we'd all know about it

Super Samurai

10-16-2005, 06:45 PM

The thing that really bothered me about Smallville -- beside the writing, which was completely schitzophrenic at times -- was the underlying message that it's okay for Clark to have powers, but if *any* normal teenager got superpowers, they'd *automatically* go crazy and turn into a complete psychopath, often within a matter of minutes. That really bothered me. Shawn Ashmore's character was a guy who I was cheering for, for most of the episode.

Edit -- I mean, a *lot* of those kids were fairly sympathetic characters, but the writers used them as an excuse for Clark to beat people up. Always bothered me.

Nevermind the fact that you're a big fan of Shawn Ashmore. :p

But yeah I see your point. Although to be fair some of the kids had serious mental issues before the powers manifested.

Arune Singh

10-16-2005, 09:55 PM

Nevermind the fact that you're a big fan of Shawn Ashmore. :p

But yeah I see your point. Although to be fair some of the kids had serious mental issues before the powers manifested.

Peter likes Shawn Ashmore? I never knew. ;)

P-Dawg, I shoulda given you a call when I was in Syndey this summer. Had lots of fun downtown. Did you ever see Aaron Ashmore on VERONICA MARS?

Ryan K

10-19-2005, 02:26 PM

Last week's episode . . . was horrid. Horrid!

This whole ongoing Jor-El plot is piss poor. It's just a giant plot device for the craetors to do whatever the hell they want, for whatever reason, and not have to explain it any farther than "Jor-El did it".

For some reason (other than the creators lazy writing), someone will die because Clark came back to life. Cheap cheap device and a lzy substitute for foreshadowing. I can't express how poor this is. (For the record my money's on Chloe).

Then there's the whole plot of this particular episode, which hardly made any amount of sense. Am I the only one who thought he missed an episode and this was the second of a two parter.

And Lana. Clark comes back from the dead and Lana doesn't question shit?!? He was covered in ash and wearing torn clothing in his parent's farm house and not only does Lana buy all this shit, but she actually then defends Clark's "normalness" to Lex. At this point Lex is almost completely justified in having his bullshit-o-meter going off like crazy.

How the hell has Clark not told Lana at the end of this episode?!? How does he explain this miracle? We have no idea. How does he explain his condition and state of dress? We have no idea? And then there's his ludicrous justification to Chloe anout lying to Lana. Even though . . . what two episodes . . .one maybe . . . we did the whole no more secrets promise. Call me delusional, but I thought they'd at least pander to that more than a week.

Complete and utter garbage.

Super Samurai

10-20-2005, 07:06 PM

Junior Lifeguard Association............ :rolleyes:

Wasn't expecting that.

VCreed32

10-20-2005, 07:25 PM

Heh, surf and turf.

bigman45

10-20-2005, 07:42 PM

that was funny how they put that in there .. JLA ..haha but is it me or was AQ going to kick lex a$$ .. but lex was cold with the whole water thing ... and then pures it on the ground .. right on :eek:

VCreed32

10-20-2005, 08:21 PM

Oh yeah, were those water attacks really that powerful or did Clark's durability waiver?

Elias Bogan

10-20-2005, 08:45 PM

I think the death is going to be the real Lois Lane (Erica Durance) and then Chloe will move to Metropolis and take her identity with her memory somehow being purposely or accidentally tampered with.

Plus after this season it is really time to move the characters to Metropolis. Give Allison Mack and dye job and just let "Lois" meet Clark and Lana for the first time all over again.

Sean Whitmore

10-20-2005, 10:15 PM

"WOW! Okay, you convinced me."

Thank God Luthor is a bad guy now. I don't care that it maybe happened a little too suddenly, just thak God he's there.

Didn't much care for the hard water blasts or the constant "bro"s, but beyond that I felt Aquaman was handled well. He should have an edge to him that Clark doesn't necessarily agree with.

4 episodes this year and only one with Krypto-mutants...and it looks like next week is vampires. I quite like this ratio, and hope it continues. I'd be happy never to see a meteor freak again (not counting returning villains).

I really liked Marsters' performance, even if it was weird hearing what sounded like a heavy mid-western accent (making him only the second person in Kansas who has one, including the sheriff). I can't wait to see how things play out, especially assuming that Brainiac won't be a faux-good guy for three years.

They really went overboard with the in-jokes this time out. "Entourage", "Superboy", "JLA", "Boy Scout"...did I miss any?

SEAN

Nate Grey

10-20-2005, 11:02 PM

I liked the ep.

AC: "Think we should start the Junior Lifeguard Association?"
Clark: "I don't think I'm ready for the JLA just yet."

:D

AC's constant "Bro" 's got old FAST, but otherwise loved the ep. And I loved that Aquaman could generate hard water blasts. I don't understand why Clark stood there (well, swam there) while he created one and then threw it at him, but...it was still cool.

And next week...Vampires. :rolleyes:

Arune Singh

10-20-2005, 11:44 PM

So... this episode showed us that Aquaman is a pussy, right? I mean, Lex has him captive for an hour without water and the guy is dying on us?

Eep.

And the gayest moment of the episode was the whole "I'm wet and now I'm ready" moment that was preceded by Clark getting AC wet and the orgasm sounds that followed.

Lex being SO evil just seemed... silly.

And the love story was rather pointless. The scenes were forced and silly.

That said, Chloe was fun as always and Marsters is doing great.

kalorama

10-21-2005, 12:16 AM

I found the whole Aquaman episode to be a huge disappointment.

It would have helped if the guy playing Arthur actually knew how to act, even a little. And the whole Lois/Curry love thing just reinforced my belief that bringing Lois to Smallville (and keeping her around) was a huge mistake. I also wasn't impressed by Marsters. I don't know if that was his real voice he was using, but it sounded more false than Spike's cockney accent.

So far, I haven't been impressed with the JLA guest-star cameos. If they can't do it better, they should forget about Bruce Wayne. Actually, the one guest star i would like to see (and I know I won't) is J'onn J'onzz. It would be an interesting idea to have him come to Smallville (in his human guise as a Mulder-like Federal cop) to investigate the reports of a crashed spaceship in Smallville for the government (while actually investigating whether the visitors have any connection to his Martian roots). It would be a natural fit.

Never happen, though.

Steve

10-21-2005, 01:46 AM

Yeah, they should've got a real actor instead of a first timer. The dude was stiff alright. Smallville is pretty much his first acting gig. Can't expect much from a former American Idol. lol.

God, I loved Lois in that swimwear. She should pull her hair back more though. Get rid of those bangs!

Peter

10-21-2005, 04:23 AM

Peter likes Shawn Ashmore? I never knew. ;)

Well, I am somewhat subtle about it...

P-Dawg, I shoulda given you a call when I was in Syndey this summer. Had lots of fun downtown. Did you ever see Aaron Ashmore on VERONICA MARS?

You were in Australia and you didn't let me know? Shame on you Arune. We could've hung out and watched old episodes of PRNS. That would've been sweet.

Just as long as you weren't calling me P-Dawg ;).

Crash-Man

10-21-2005, 05:42 AM

I get the feeling that the Lois/Aquaman romance was meant to illustrate Lois' attraction to/fascination with superheroes...or at least the ones who save her.

That said, Curry could have at least hinted that he was from an undersea kingdom, or done something to show that he can communicate with undersea life. It wouldn't have made it that unbelievable for the Dawson's Creek crowd.

JLA joke was funny though.

VCreed32

10-21-2005, 06:23 AM

Yeah, Lois seemed like a super-groupie.

KenK

10-21-2005, 06:32 AM

And the gayest moment of the episode was the whole "I'm wet and now I'm ready" moment that was preceded by Clark getting AC wet and the orgasm sounds that followed.

Homoeroticism and superheroes seem to go hand-in-hand no matter what.

I also wasn't impressed by Marsters. I don't know if that was his real voice he was using, but it sounded more false than Spike's cockney accent.

Yeah, that's his real voice. I was actually surprised when I found out he was American. I guess when you spent about seven years playing that one character, that's all people see and more importantly, hear.

borateen

10-21-2005, 07:07 AM

That said, Curry could have at least hinted that he was from an undersea kingdom, or done something to show that he can communicate with undersea life. It wouldn't have made it that unbelievable for the Dawson's Creek crowd.

Just from some off-hand comments he made about his father being a lighthouse keeper and his mom being dead, I figured that he didn't know EVERYTHING about his heritage.

West Mantooth

10-21-2005, 07:28 AM

Why do people seem weirded out by Lex being evil. It has always (in my opinon) been a matter of caring about Clark,Lana,Chloe,Kents,dad that kept him from being evil. This was a 100 million dollar project and some out-of-town ecojerk with superpowers is trying to tell you what to do. Heck no! If anything, it shows that if not for being friends with Clark the first four seasons, he would have had Clark strapped to a table. The slow break up of the friendship felt right to me.

On the ep: Yeah, that actor needs lessons and that writer should cut back on his "bro's". I keep hoping the surfer id was a smoke screen voice and he would begin to speak like a royal in private moments. The water fight was sweet. I'm suprised no one mentioned the foreshadowing of the book Brainiac and Clark going to do on Lexcorp. That's a cool idea that'll get Clark some credibility when going to Metropolis. It also means Lex is going to be pissed. Hope the writers handle it well and this could be the best season of Smallville.

Next week. Vamps? Oh brother.

IamtheRock3

10-21-2005, 07:56 AM

Erik Lehnsherr

10-21-2005, 08:18 AM

Luthor is getting more cocky and proudly showcasing his evil grin these days. Aqua Man uses C4 to strike out at his enemies in a effort to "use his powers for the better". Lois in a swimming suit looks like a woman from the '50s in a swimming suit and that's NEVER good. Get a body, Duance! Please! It would at least make the praises seem..readable instead of cringe worthy.

Pariah128

10-21-2005, 08:24 AM

I think Lex was played perfectly in this episode, everything down to the last part where clark said he defended lex and you could see a small look of guilt on lex's face for a split second before he kind of went into his cocky smirk again

Clark was an a-hole again..and lana was just like "wow.." lol, he really comes off that way a lot..

The whole "im a surfer dude bro!" was annoying as hell, and the fight between clark and aquaman annoyed me, i guess when clark just sat there and starred the second time he tossed water at him it was just like wtf..

Donald Stone

10-21-2005, 08:34 AM

So far I've liked this season. Vast improvement over last season.

And I for one liked the fact that AC was more powerful than Clark underwater, in much the same way Bart was faster than Clark.

And the "Junior Lifeguard Association" got a laugh out of me:)

Patman

10-21-2005, 08:52 AM

This episode was a lot of fun.

Now, AC was "cut", he had almost comic book proportions. Clark is still just lean, but not overly muscular like AC.

There were some cheesy lines, but their heart was in the right place. I had a big grin at a lot of the funny bits. Prof. Fine had somewhat a midwest accent, James Marsters' accent is more Californian.

VCreed32

10-21-2005, 09:05 AM

This episode was a lot of fun.

Now, AC was "cut", he had almost comic book proportions. Clark is still just lean, but not overly muscular like AC.
Yeah, I noticed that to and sorta atributed it to the nature of their powers.
Clark may be able to rely more on his superstrength and wouldn't need to be like a body builder, while "AC".. we don't know.
Plus, iirc, swimmers are more muscled.

Arune Singh

10-21-2005, 09:17 AM

Well, I am somewhat subtle about it...

You were in Australia and you didn't let me know? Shame on you Arune. We could've hung out and watched old episodes of PRNS. That would've been sweet.

Just as long as you weren't calling me P-Dawg ;).

Dude, NS rules. The Thunder Bros own.

Luthor is getting more cocky and proudly showcasing his evil grin these days. Aqua Man uses C4 to strike out at his enemies in a effort to "use his powers for the better". Lois in a swimming suit looks like a woman from the '50s in a swimming suit and that's NEVER good. Get a body, Duance! Please! It would at least make the praises seem..readable instead of cringe worthy.

What? Durance has the best body on the show: she actually has a figure!

Yeah, I noticed that to and sorta atributed it to the nature of their powers.
Clark may be able to rely more on his superstrength and wouldn't need to be like a body builder, while "AC".. we don't know.
Plus, iirc, swimmers are more muscled.

Well, swimming promotes extreme lean body mass and it'll make you more ripped. Welling is in good shape, but the combination of his skin looking pasty + Aquaman being so ripped, just didn't do him any favors.

kalorama

10-21-2005, 09:22 AM

Get a body, Duance! Please! It would at least make the praises seem..readable instead of cringe worthy.

Man, what show were you watching?

But, while we we're on the subject, what was up with Chloe wearing that muumuu over her bathing suit? If she didn't want to do a bikini, fine. Body issues? Got it. But the show's costumers could've come up with something that didn't draw screaming attention to that fact by its obviousness.

Phil Clark

10-21-2005, 11:15 AM

I was SERIOUSLY looking forward to seeing Alison Mack in a swimsuit. And I am disappointed that she wasn't in one. That girl is the best looking actress on Smallville, hands down, bar none. If only I were younger... :rolleyes:

kalorama

10-21-2005, 11:33 AM

Yeah, I noticed that to and sorta atributed it to the nature of their powers.
Clark may be able to rely more on his superstrength and wouldn't need to be like a body builder, while "AC".. we don't know.
Plus, iirc, swimmers are more muscled.:

Also, CLark isn't human, so his body might not necessarily conform to all the rules of human anatomy. Aquaman is at least half-human.

Arune Singh

10-21-2005, 12:32 PM

Also, CLark isn't human, so his body might not necessarily conform to all the rules of human anatomy. Aquaman is at least half-human.

One thing I noticed was that Ritchson looked pumped for his scenes, as though he was doing pushups/pullups/situps between takes, where as Welling looked like he hadn't hit the gym in some hours, so the firmness and vascularity was lost.

Super Samurai

10-21-2005, 12:53 PM

Both Erica and Alison look good. If only Kristin Kreuk would eat something.

VCreed32

10-21-2005, 12:55 PM

One thing I noticed was that Ritchson looked pumped for his scenes, as though he was doing pushups/pullups/situps between takes, where as Welling looked like he hadn't hit the gym in some hours, so the firmness and vascularity was lost.You sure about "hours"? ;)

Pariah128

10-21-2005, 01:07 PM

If only Kristin Kreuk would eat something.

and keep her mouth shut

Erik Lehnsherr

10-21-2005, 01:52 PM

What? Durance has the best body on the show: she actually has a figure!

Durance has one of the flattest, man looking asses on the WB, bar none. She's attractive...in a 2005 Lindsey Lohan-kind of way.

Kristin Kruek has no ass but at least she looks exotic and has the innocent voice. Too bad Nadia Bjorlin can't join this show and show off that Russian American greatness that she's generated into over the past 4 years.

Ryan K

10-21-2005, 02:11 PM

I liked this episode except for Aquaman's truly atrocious dialogue. Just terrible.

"You on the turf, me on the surf".

Bright-Raven

10-21-2005, 02:24 PM

Erik's complaint about Durance is clearly that she needs to not have her ribcage showing.

I honestly didn't notice that Allison wasn't in a bikini. I can't see why she would have body issues, but I can see the idiot producers trying to "tomboy" her because she's Clark's bestest buddy and knows his secret - she can't be a potential anything else, so downplay the sex appeal of the actress. :rolleyes:

I also agree that "AC"'s dialogue was atrocious, with his "surfer slang", "Bro". I'm not saying he should sound regal, but definitely not brainless, either.

And okay, the guy had a relatively decent body. But the teeth! You could drive the Millenium Falcon in between those things! :D