Luke Cage V's THOR! [Archive] - Comic Book Resources Forums

Shaun-zilla

09-24-2005, 05:27 PM

Although thors not around at the moment. But as soon as he re-apears there gonna want him on the team? right? He's a key player.

What im getting at i think there might be sum real big clashes of personalitys in the team. Cage and thor being one of them. And maybe Cap and sentry. I
say cap and sentry mearly cos there both goody too shoes, in my oppinion.

Cage and thor?...luke will throught the first punch. I betcha...

Sean Whitmore

09-24-2005, 06:17 PM

What im getting at i think there might be sum real big clashes of personalitys in the team. Cage and thor being one of them. And maybe Cap and sentry. I say cap and sentry mearly cos there both goody too shoes, in my oppinion.

I don't know about that. I can't imagine that Luke doesn't respect Thor's reputation. And Thor will pretty much respect anyone who would fight alongside him as an Avenger.

Luke and Hercules, however... ;)

As for Cap and Sentry, wouldn't two goody two-shoes be less likely to fight each other?

Cage and thor?...luke will throught the first punch. I betcha...

And in the next scene, Luke is dead and buried, and Thor is screaming "WHAT'S MY NAME?!" at his gravestie. :D

SEAN

TheWolfOfAsgard

09-24-2005, 08:25 PM

I don't know about that. I can't imagine that Luke doesn't respect Thor's reputation. And Thor will pretty much respect anyone who would fight alongside him as an Avenger.

Luke and Hercules, however... ;)

As for Cap and Sentry, wouldn't two goody two-shoes be less likely to fight each other?

And in the next scene, Luke is dead and buried, and Thor is screaming "WHAT'S MY NAME?!" at his gravestie. :D

SEAN

Thor would respect anyone who had a warrior's spirit even an enemy.

tkitna

09-24-2005, 08:31 PM

And in the next scene, Luke is dead and buried, and Thor is screaming "WHAT'S MY NAME?!" at his gravestie. :D

SEAN

Thats just what I was thinking too (with Herc also). Granted, i've been away from comics for awhile, but is Cage that powerful now that he would pick a fight with Thor or is he stupid from a bad fall or something? If either option is true, sorry I posted. :)

Blind Lawyer

09-24-2005, 08:35 PM

Thats just what I was thinking too (with Herc also). Granted, i've been away from comics for awhile, but is Cage that powerful now that he would pick a fight with Thor or is he stupid from a bad fall or something? If either option is true, sorry I posted. :)

The real issue here is who's the snazzier dresser. That, of course, would be Mr Cage.

crystalline green

09-24-2005, 08:47 PM

Doesn't Cage only have Spiderman level strength? Which I think is lame btw. They should make him stronger.

kcekada

09-24-2005, 09:21 PM

I don't think Luke and Thor both on the team would be a problem.

The Avengers have never limited membership due to a similarity in powers. This ain't the Legion of Super Heroes.

Sean Whitmore

09-24-2005, 09:25 PM

Doesn't Cage only have Spiderman level strength? Which I think is lame btw. They should make him stronger.

I've heard that before, bit it just doesn't sound right to me. This may sound weird, but if your one super power is strength, you should at least be stronger than the guy who has strength and a bunch of other powers.

SEAN

powerforward

09-24-2005, 09:43 PM

cage from what i remember was always around spidey's level of strength (maybe even a little weaker), but i think he has been bumped up quite a bit in recent years.

probably a little weaker than ben grimm/she-hulk, etc... but much stronger than spidey.

having said that, he wouldn't enjoy a go with thor.

Chris Thomas

09-24-2005, 09:43 PM

Sean Whitmore

09-24-2005, 10:01 PM

I always thought his main power was invulnerability

I suppose, but invulnerability without sufficient super strength just seems...I dunno, wimpy. :)

SEAN

Core

09-24-2005, 10:18 PM

Doesn't Cage only have Spiderman level strength? Which I think is lame btw. They should make him stronger.

Cage has a strength level of 3 tons; Spidey is in the 10 ton range.

The real issue here is who's the snazzier dresser. That, of course, would be Mr Cage.

I dunno...Thor is cross gartered. Never underestimate the fashion prowess of a cross gartered man. ;)

XPac

09-24-2005, 10:37 PM

Cage has a strength level of 3 tons; Spidey is in the 10 ton range.

I dunno...Thor is cross gartered. Never underestimate the fashion prowess of a cross gartered man. ;)

Cage has been upgraded since he repeated the process that gave him his powers. In the Second Heroes for Hire Series he was KOing guys like Iron Clad and Orka... that would probably mean he's closer to the Thing Ballpark, or at least tough enough to hang with them.

Core

09-25-2005, 10:34 AM

Cage has been upgraded since he repeated the process that gave him his powers. In the Second Heroes for Hire Series he was KOing guys like Iron Clad and Orka... that would probably mean he's closer to the Thing Ballpark, or at least tough enough to hang with them.

I'll take your word for it, although I was quoting the stats that were printed in "The 10 Greatest Spider-Man Stories Ever" anthology printed last year. But who's to say that their info wasn't out of date when they printed it...?

Dark Soul # 7

09-25-2005, 10:36 AM

I think Cage is at the 50 ton level in strength and abit more in invulnearbility.

literally exaggerated

09-25-2005, 10:41 AM

I thought Cage was around a class 40 with like class 80 invulnerability.

Thats not counting the wrecker's crowbar however.

Shaun-zilla

09-25-2005, 10:58 AM

I thought Cage was around a class 40 with like class 80 invulnerability.

Thats not counting the wrecker's crowbar however.

Tha be awsome to see him, use that as normal kinda thing.

Luke cage's skin is Unbreakable...not invunerable. He still hurts, doens anyone read secret war...

Alan2099

09-25-2005, 11:08 AM

The real issue here is who's the snazzier dresser. That, of course, would be Mr Cage.
nah. Cage used to be the snappier dresser when he wore the big fro, the huge collared shirt, and the chain for a belt, now he's just looks like another cheap thug.

crystalline green

09-25-2005, 11:57 AM

I've heard that before, bit it just doesn't sound right to me. This may sound weird, but if your one super power is strength, you should at least be stronger than the guy who has strength and a bunch of other powers.

SEAN

That doesn't sound weird at all. I completely agree that he should be stronger since strength (and his resilience) are his main power. The old Marvel Handbooks had him in the Class 10 range which is where Spidey and Spiderwoman are. In fact I think Spidey was technically classed as stronger. I hope they having given him a boost since then with or without the silly crowbar.

An off topic note about the crowbar: I can't see it being very plausible for him to keep it. It is listen among Wreckers powers that he can possess or take control of the mind of whoever is holding the crowbar. That can't be good for Mr. Cage.

Dark Soul # 7

09-25-2005, 12:08 PM

The first time Cage fought Spider-man the two were very evenly matched, both were taking the other´s punches without to much problems. But that was back in the 70´s.

XPac

09-25-2005, 12:12 PM

That doesn't sound weird at all. I completely agree that he should be stronger since strength (and his resilience) are his main power. The old Marvel Handbooks had him in the Class 10 range which is where Spidey and Spiderwoman are. In fact I think Spidey was technically classed as stronger. I hope they having given him a boost since then with or without the silly crowbar.

An off topic note about the crowbar: I can't see it being very plausible for him to keep it. It is listen among Wreckers powers that he can possess or take control of the mind of whoever is holding the crowbar. That can't be good for Mr. Cage.

I can't see him keeping the Crowbar simply because it ruins a perfectly good villian in Wrecker. For teams like the T-Bolts and Avengers, the Wrecking Crew are great B-list villians to have around. They have corned a niche in the marvel universe in the metahuman hired muscle category.

crystalline green

09-25-2005, 12:36 PM

I can't see him keeping the Crowbar simply because it ruins a perfectly good villian in Wrecker. For teams like the T-Bolts and Avengers, the Wrecking Crew are great B-list villians to have around. They have corned a niche in the marvel universe in the metahuman hired muscle category.

I agree. Plus I think a Cage wielding a crowbar is just too much of a crass stereotype. Being a streetwise character is not the same thing as being a thug. There's no reason for him to wade into battle looking for all the world like he had just broken into someone's car.

The Fury

09-25-2005, 12:37 PM

I think Cage is at the 50 ton level in strength and abit more in invulnearbility.
Cage is has invulnerable skin.

But strength wise, he's not that powerful. Apparently he is in the Class 10-25 Range, the same as Spider-man. compared to some hard hitters in the Avengers he's just a standard hitter. He's no where near She-hulk and not even close to Warbird.

And about the power thing, just becuase you have are of a certain type of power doesn't mean you have to be one of the best at it. Cage's invulnerbility is near perfect (if not), which means he can't get hurt (well technically that's wrong as it is unbreakable skin but it gives that same effect), but other stronger heroes can still be hurt, like Warbird and Spider-man.

crystalline green

09-25-2005, 12:44 PM

Cage is has invulnerable skin.

But strength wise, he's not that powerful. Apparently he is in the Class 10-25 Range, the same as Spider-man. compared to some hard hitters in the Avengers he's just a standard hitter. He's no where near She-hulk and not even close to Warbird.

And about the power thing, just becuase you have are of a certain type of power doesn't mean you have to be one of the best at it. Cage's invulnerbility is near perfect (if not), which means he can't get hurt (well technically that's wrong as it is unbreakable skin but it gives that same effect), but other stronger heroes can still be hurt, like Warbird and Spider-man.

I don't think the rational is that "he should be the best at the power that he has" -- at least not for me. It's more about the balance of power on a team. It makes more sense for each hero on a team to have their "speciality". Cage being in such a low strength class makes him redundant. There is nothing then that he brings to the table that Spiderman, Iron Man, Spiderwoman etc doesn't already provide.

XPac

09-25-2005, 01:06 PM

Cage is has invulnerable skin.

But strength wise, he's not that powerful. Apparently he is in the Class 10-25 Range, the same as Spider-man. compared to some hard hitters in the Avengers he's just a standard hitter. He's no where near She-hulk and not even close to Warbird.

And about the power thing, just becuase you have are of a certain type of power doesn't mean you have to be one of the best at it. Cage's invulnerbility is near perfect (if not), which means he can't get hurt (well technically that's wrong as it is unbreakable skin but it gives that same effect), but other stronger heroes can still be hurt, like Warbird and Spider-man.

If he can duke it out with and KO people the level of Iron Clad and Orka though, I'd say putting him in Spidey's ballpark is lowballing him a bit. You'd probably need Warbird level strength at least to stand there and go toe to toe with opponents at that level.

Dark Soul # 7

09-25-2005, 01:07 PM

I don't think the rational is that "he should be the best at the power that he has" -- at least not for me. It's more about the balance of power on a team. It makes more sense for each hero on a team to have their "speciality". Cage being in such a low strength class makes him redundant. There is nothing then that he brings to the table that Spiderman, Iron Man, Spiderwoman etc doesn't already provide.
So you can say that Cage is the new Avengers Aquaman, only with less resources.

crystalline green

09-25-2005, 01:28 PM

So you can say that Cage is the new Avengers Aquaman, only with less resources.

I love that analogy. :) I couldn't have said it better myself.

pesmerga316

09-25-2005, 05:16 PM

well Carnage was beating him down as well as DD and SW and I don't think Carnage is way over spideys lvl, Sentry made him look like an ant though haha

Sean Whitmore

09-25-2005, 05:23 PM

well Carnage was beating him down as well as DD and SW and I don't think Carnage is way over spideys lvl, Sentry made him look like an ant though haha

When he first appeared, Carnage was stronger than Spider-Man and Venom combined.

Of course, he wasn't a "psychic vampire" either, so who knows anything anymore...

SEAN

Jake V

09-25-2005, 07:46 PM

I think there's only one way to settle things between the 2 sides:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/IantistarI/thorcage.jpg

Cowlander

09-25-2005, 10:33 PM

I think there's only one way to settle things between the 2 sides:

Please god make the bad man stop......

Is that real?

XPac

09-25-2005, 11:08 PM

well Carnage was beating him down as well as DD and SW and I don't think Carnage is way over spideys lvl, Sentry made him look like an ant though haha

But the thing is Carnage wasn't actually beating down Cage. Cage was having trouble fighting Carnage because of his alien nature... but the most Carnage could do is mess up Cage's shirt.

Cage did a lot better against Mr. Hyde, who is actually stronger than Carnage.

Sean Whitmore

09-25-2005, 11:21 PM

Cage did a lot better against Mr. Hyde, who is actually stronger than Carnage.

How strong is Hyde compared to Wrecker? They're both primarily Thor villainsm, but their appearances in recent books are all over the place. Daredevil and Captain America regularly trounce Hyde, but the Wrecker takes on Spidey, Cage, and Wolverine without a sweat.

SEAN

Brian R

09-26-2005, 02:18 AM

There was a thread discussing this a while back, and I believe someone said that the latest MK Encyc. listed Cage at class 20, whereas Spidey and Jess are both class 10. If thats the case, then he would be the second-strongest regular Avenger after Iron Man, and its not like Tony is a brawler. Im discounting Sentry since he wont be in every issue and besides, we dont even know exactly how strong he is.

Shellhead

09-26-2005, 08:20 AM

XPac

09-26-2005, 08:41 AM

How strong is Hyde compared to Wrecker? They're both primarily Thor villainsm, but their appearances in recent books are all over the place. Daredevil and Captain America regularly trounce Hyde, but the Wrecker takes on Spidey, Cage, and Wolverine without a sweat.

SEAN

Wrecker can be all over the place, depending on whether he's sharing his power with the other members of the Wrecking Crew or not. He's class 10 when he's sharing it, and class 40 when he's not.

Mr. Hyde is class 50. So he, Cage, and a fully powered Wrecker are probably all roughly in the same ballpark of power (though I'm still not sure exactly what ranking Cage would have).

However, the other issue to consider is durability. I think while Hyde may be as strong as some of those other guys, he might not be as durable.

Shellhead

09-26-2005, 09:05 AM

How strong is Hyde compared to Wrecker? They're both primarily Thor villainsm, but their appearances in recent books are all over the place. Daredevil and Captain America regularly trounce Hyde, but the Wrecker takes on Spidey, Cage, and Wolverine without a sweat.

SEAN

I don't think of Mr. Hyde as being primarily a Thor villain. That's where he tended to appear in the early days, but the Marvel Universe was a smaller, less populous place back then. Cobra fought Thor a couple of times back then, too, but he is far below Thor in terms of power. Iron Man actually battled Princess Python and Gladiator (the one with the buzzsaws on his wrist bands, not the purple Superboy imitator with the mohawk) in the early days, but those are both villains that Daredevil can handle.

Dark Soul # 7

09-26-2005, 10:12 AM

Carnage has strength level 50, it´s always been like that.

Kirk G

09-26-2005, 02:13 PM

I can't see him keeping the Crowbar simply because it ruins a perfectly good villian in Wrecker. For teams like the T-Bolts and Avengers, the Wrecking Crew are great B-list villians to have around. They have corned a niche in the marvel universe in the metahuman hired muscle category.
I agree that keeping the wrecking bar would hamper the Wrecker quite a bit, but then, there are OTHER wrecking bars... and, it would certainly give the Wrecker a motivation to return to fight the Avengers and/or Luke Cage again in the future. Perhaps we are seeing the early stages of a running grudge match???? :rolleyes:

FanboyStranger

09-26-2005, 11:16 PM

To me, Luke Cage's greatest talent has been the cultivation of his reputation. It makes sense for him to carry the Wrecker's crowbar more as a way to say "Yo I smacked down the Wrecking Crew, and you're next!" than as a weapon, formidable as it may be. Villains in the Marvel U know the Wrecking Crew, and while they may not respect their intelligence, they do know their destructive power. So, I like to think of Cage's possession of the Wrecker's crowbar as just another example of his streetwise shrewdness; it only boosts his stature and makes villains think twice about tangling with him, thereby possibly preventing potential problems before they occue.

Brian R

09-27-2005, 03:20 AM

In an early adventure, Cage shattered Dr. Doom's chestplate. Spider-man has never even come close to such a feat. Cage also matched strength with Iron Man, and when the Fantastic Four needed a replacement for the Thing, they hired Cage. These were all early appearances, before the power-up he got from undergoing the original process a second time. He isn't as powerful as Sentry (none of the Avengers except Rune-Thor are at that level), but he is stronger than Warbird and probably comparable to She-Hulk in strength.

He has never been considered to be as strong as Warbird(class 50) or She-Hulk(class 70-75), I dont know where you are getting that from. And when did he match strength with Iron Man, and what armor was he wearing(since their strength varies)?

Jake V

09-27-2005, 03:25 AM

Brian R

09-27-2005, 03:34 AM

Don't be a playa hata. :)

Dude, I actually like the character a lot, much more than I would have imagined. I just have never seen him anywhere near that str level, if he has proof of that then fine, but we have been discussing how under-powered the New Avengers are(sans Sentry) for quite some time and no one has ever eluded to Luke being class 50+.

Jake V

09-27-2005, 03:44 AM

Dude, I actually like the character a lot, much more than I would have imagined. I just have never seen him anywhere near that str level, if he has proof of that then fine, but we have been discussing how under-powered the New Avengers are(sans Sentry) for quite some time and no one has ever eluded to Luke being class 50+.
Cage has always been exactly as strong as the writer needed him to be in a given situation. His history of strength feats is hardly consistent due to him having long periods of time without a solo series. This made him very open to interpretation, much like the varying strength of Doctor Octopus' arms.

What's really happening here is some of the more annoying whining I've heard on a message board. The whining about the power levels of a team. As if power levels have EVER had anything to do with how interesting a team is to read about.

Power level complaining and debating is pure rumbler behavior, and the reason I had myself banned from that forum.

Shellhead

09-27-2005, 07:36 AM

He has never been considered to be as strong as Warbird(class 50) or She-Hulk(class 70-75), I dont know where you are getting that from. And when did he match strength with Iron Man, and what armor was he wearing(since their strength varies)?

Power Man #17 (1973), and I think the Iron Man armor version was the classic armor except that it had a nose on the faceplate.

I haven't seen any class 50 feats from Warbird since she lost her Binary powers, and while Cage traditionally wasn't at She-Hulk's power level, I've heard that he's been powered up in recent years. He's certainly much bulkier than the old days.

Kaiju

09-27-2005, 08:49 AM

Power Man #17 (1973), and I think the Iron Man armor version was the classic armor except that it had a nose on the faceplate.

I haven't seen any class 50 feats from Warbird since she lost her Binary powers, and while Cage traditionally wasn't at She-Hulk's power level, I've heard that he's been powered up in recent years. He's certainly much bulkier than the old days.

His power has been hard to gauge. He fought guys like the Wrecker, Rhino and others on even terms but other writers have him having trouble with Spider-Man class guys. Lately his power levels have been pretty consistent.
During Heroes For Hire Cage was constantly depicted as being pretty comparable with She-Hulk.

He has been exposed to the process that gave him his powers at least twice and he also got the Isotope X treatment as well so I don't think it's unreasonable to think he's isomewhere between class 50-70.

FanboyStranger

09-27-2005, 10:04 PM

During Heroes For Hire Cage was constantly depicted as being pretty comparable with She-Hulk.

Am I the only one who wishes that a MAX book? (An inside joke done knowing full well that it sets a joke about being inside She-Hulk.)

tkitna

09-29-2005, 12:12 AM

Yeah Cage stepped in for the Thing in the FF, but theres been books where the Thing humbles him and the Hulk just looked at him like he was ignorant for even trying to hurt him. Granted these were a few cheaper written books like Two-In-One and Team-Up, but I thought the strength comparison was fairly portrayed. I remember also when the fans were outraged when Cage took down Sabertooth easily in one of the Power Man/Iron Fist books. All depends on the writer I suppose.

Sean Whitmore

09-29-2005, 12:35 AM

I remember also when the fans were outraged when Cage took down Sabertooth easily in one of the Power Man/Iron Fist books. All depends on the writer I suppose.

To be fair, this was back when Sabretooth was a pussy who got owned by everyone. His claws and fangs couldn't pierce Cage's skin, and that was the extent of his abilities, so he was pretty well screwed. :) It wasn't until the Morlock Massacre that Sabes became nigh-unbeatable.

SEAN

Will.S

09-29-2005, 12:48 AM

I remember also when the fans were outraged when Cage took down Sabertooth easily in one of the Power Man/Iron Fist books. All depends on the writer I suppose.
I don't see why fans would be against Sabertooth losing to Cage, that makes sense given their powers.

tkitna

09-29-2005, 03:00 AM

I agree with you two completely. Cage should be able to handle Sabertooth, but it was just the fans shouting out their fanboy votes and so forth. Sabertooth got popular and started smacking Wolverine around a little and you know,,,,take it from there.

TheDarkestHorse

10-01-2005, 03:04 AM

I suppose, but invulnerability without sufficient super strength just seems...I dunno, wimpy. :)

SEAN

Dude, you should read Robert Kirkman's Brit one-shot to see just how awesome an invulnerable man with even normal-human strength can be when written well.

Of course, If Cage just has 'unbreakable skin', this doesn't really apply. Ok, then, you should just read Brit because it's that damn good.